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		<title>By: The FV project &#124; Filipino Voices</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-45247</link>
		<dc:creator>The FV project &#124; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thought is antithetical to the conception of FV which in other posts I have described to be engaged in “solidaric” and “uncommodified” production where what’s produced are relationships rather than goods and services and by which communities [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thought is antithetical to the conception of FV which in other posts I have described to be engaged in “solidaric” and “uncommodified” production where what’s produced are relationships rather than goods and services and by which communities [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why we blog &#124; Filipino Voices</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-28645</link>
		<dc:creator>Why we blog &#124; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] teloi as well as the non-economic motivation of blogging, exposing in the process the disconnect of Benignoism (for those who are new to FV, Benignoism is a rigid libertarian conservatism which demands that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] teloi as well as the non-economic motivation of blogging, exposing in the process the disconnect of Benignoism (for those who are new to FV, Benignoism is a rigid libertarian conservatism which demands that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: leaibxh fuglvzy</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-8435</link>
		<dc:creator>leaibxh fuglvzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-1599</link>
		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abe, now that you mention it, that is true. It is also a direction that computer engineering seems to be headed -- hierarhical computing architectures are giving way to architectures where computing approaches evolve (in contrast with being structurally programmed the way most conventional computers are today) as an &lt;i&gt;inherent&lt;/i&gt; property of the system.

The Philippines is a classic example of a system with a hierarchical governance framework (one that evolved in civilisations that are our society&#039;s antithesis) shoved down its throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abe, now that you mention it, that is true. It is also a direction that computer engineering seems to be headed &#8212; hierarhical computing architectures are giving way to architectures where computing approaches evolve (in contrast with being structurally programmed the way most conventional computers are today) as an <i>inherent</i> property of the system.</p>
<p>The Philippines is a classic example of a system with a hierarchical governance framework (one that evolved in civilisations that are our society&#8217;s antithesis) shoved down its throat.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe N. Margallo</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe N. Margallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benigs,

I’m actually not a great fan of structure and hierarchy because of their tendencies to go the way of elitism. I prefer what some call as “adhocracy” which probably fits well the original conception of FilipinoVoices. What I’m learning about adhocracy is that it is more reflexive and more democratic. Why don’t we look at this concept too and see if we could fuse it with traditionalism (bureaucracy)? 

UP n, 

Not all of Rostovian model are attractive to me. For one thing, I don’t subscribe to the assumption in the model that the idealized vision of the Western Nations is normative. In fact, I believe there is no single route to modernity (industrialization). There are even certain theories today entertaining the possibility of reaching the stage of “informatization” (or post-modernization) without going through modernization (Didn’t GMA float this idea before when she was earnestly promoting call centers and BPOs?). Indeed, this one is a bit romantic to me. But it’s too hard to ignore for instance the list of reality checks I enumerated above. 

What I like most about the development model of Rostow is the idea of the Big Push,  led by a group of &quot;purposeful elites&quot; who have experienced a “wider-based revolution in outlook” (a Pauline conversion in secular sense, as I put it rather dramatically) without a Leninist or Maoist revolution.  (Note: I don’t consider this contradictory to my “allergy” to elitism since I also consider it as ad hoc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benigs,</p>
<p>I’m actually not a great fan of structure and hierarchy because of their tendencies to go the way of elitism. I prefer what some call as “adhocracy” which probably fits well the original conception of FilipinoVoices. What I’m learning about adhocracy is that it is more reflexive and more democratic. Why don’t we look at this concept too and see if we could fuse it with traditionalism (bureaucracy)? </p>
<p>UP n, </p>
<p>Not all of Rostovian model are attractive to me. For one thing, I don’t subscribe to the assumption in the model that the idealized vision of the Western Nations is normative. In fact, I believe there is no single route to modernity (industrialization). There are even certain theories today entertaining the possibility of reaching the stage of “informatization” (or post-modernization) without going through modernization (Didn’t GMA float this idea before when she was earnestly promoting call centers and BPOs?). Indeed, this one is a bit romantic to me. But it’s too hard to ignore for instance the list of reality checks I enumerated above. </p>
<p>What I like most about the development model of Rostow is the idea of the Big Push,  led by a group of &#8220;purposeful elites&#8221; who have experienced a “wider-based revolution in outlook” (a Pauline conversion in secular sense, as I put it rather dramatically) without a Leninist or Maoist revolution.  (Note: I don’t consider this contradictory to my “allergy” to elitism since I also consider it as ad hoc.)</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-1583</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benign0, as you say, it&#039;s not about personalities.  What i oppose are your ideas, specifically:

1. Ayn Rand style individualism
2. Jesuit school inspired elitism
3. Benign0 style Filipino-bashing

I also disagree with you on matters of methodology as your analyses are based on 30000ft generalizations and/or stereotypes.  this leads to to commit Attribution errors. I also agree with one of the commenters over at Manolo&#039;s who says that, in bashing Filipinos, you&#039;re guilty of the Ecological Fallacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benign0, as you say, it&#8217;s not about personalities.  What i oppose are your ideas, specifically:</p>
<p>1. Ayn Rand style individualism<br />
2. Jesuit school inspired elitism<br />
3. Benign0 style Filipino-bashing</p>
<p>I also disagree with you on matters of methodology as your analyses are based on 30000ft generalizations and/or stereotypes.  this leads to to commit Attribution errors. I also agree with one of the commenters over at Manolo&#8217;s who says that, in bashing Filipinos, you&#8217;re guilty of the Ecological Fallacy.</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
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		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj, I get the feeling that you don&#039;t like me very much... :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj, I get the feeling that you don&#8217;t like me very much&#8230; :D</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benign0, your getrealphilippines wiki effort is a step in the right direction, but i don&#039;t want any part in your Elitist/Filipino-bashing ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benign0, your getrealphilippines wiki effort is a step in the right direction, but i don&#8217;t want any part in your Elitist/Filipino-bashing ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/a-thought-on-benignoism-and-filipinovoices-telos/comment-page-1#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already tried setting up a wiki to get some kind of collaborative effort to come up with a structured solution. Check it out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/getrealphilippines_solutions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

Unfortunately I think discussion/chatter is more fun than the kind of thinking required to come up with &lt;i&gt;structure&lt;/i&gt;, which is why that foray wasn&#039;t too successful or popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already tried setting up a wiki to get some kind of collaborative effort to come up with a structured solution. Check it out <a href="http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/getrealphilippines_solutions/" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately I think discussion/chatter is more fun than the kind of thinking required to come up with <i>structure</i>, which is why that foray wasn&#8217;t too successful or popular.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPn, we are *not* a &lt;i&gt;small&lt;/i&gt; country.  Perhaps you can criticize Rostow in other aspects of his model but our being &#039;small&#039; is not one of those aspects.  (Benign0 has a link to Nick Joaquin which you might be interested in reading.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPn, we are *not* a <i>small</i> country.  Perhaps you can criticize Rostow in other aspects of his model but our being &#8216;small&#8217; is not one of those aspects.  (Benign0 has a link to Nick Joaquin which you might be interested in reading.)</p>
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