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		<title>By: Danilo</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/alabang-boys-%e2%80%93-case-of-media-over-fixation/comment-page-1#comment-28571</link>
		<dc:creator>Danilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is as if media cannot be bribed, because they can. That scenario is within the realm of the possibilities. No one is perfect, and it is always safe to say.. that media is also corrupted. 

Major Marcelino hails from a poor family... Aw shucks. So was his chief while he was a youth in Navotas. Whats being poor got to do with being a Marine Major, or Being appointed as CG PA? Huh? What? 

Spare us all from the sensationalism.

Silly news all. I always take it all with a grain of salt each time they come out with suites that fail to impress me as credible. News to an I.O. is raw info. or poison. Even the sports page is not entertaining anymore. News papers are used to.. yeah when out their in some rural area, staking out, then feeling the effects of that Burritos from Taco Bell. 

Regarding Magdalo, their presence there as agents is welcome however, they must go through the PDEA academy and re-tool their minds to the technical aspect of law enforcement. The former magdalo dancers should not be dragged into this mess, its not about PMA or Law schools, or coups its about how the DOJ and PDEA don&#039;t see eye to eye in combating illegal drugs.

It started, when someone went to congress and released green house gas. It was not salmonellia tainted tomato sauce from Taco Bell at Cubao, it was more overpowering than that. It was politics.

As far as how PDEA operates, its boot on the addicts neck or buy the farm upon room entry. An addict high on drugs armed with a loaded shotgun is not going to be polite. Its about attitude after all, PDEA agents have guns too. 

They can place the eyebrow raising green cover sheets in all their Oplans for all I care, sure the agents life is at risk, all the time even after  the convicted criminals are sentenced. But they are adults, they can handle it. The problem is...what is the chief up to with all this?

I believe the Alabang boys are guilty. I also believe the court will dismiss their case for insufficient evidence. I prefer the PDEA revise their operational doctrine when it comes to evidence gathering and case build ups. You can confiscate many, but if it is not admissible as evidence, you might as well recruit the SOB&#039;s as informants and tax them for your retirement, isn&#039;t that tempting? Keep our soldiers away from such an environment. They can support our law enforcement agencies in terms of firepower and as force multipliers, not like what we are seeing now. The military will always work hand in hand with their counterparts in the law enforcement community, they might even approve a request for an air strike on a clandestine laboratory... even in Binondo if you like.

DOJ should educate PDEA on the rules and procedures, because the agency is crawling with you know what, DOJ should be PDEA&#039;s legal partners and be patient with their youth. Get rid of its chief, get rid of active military or police at PDEA (Thats why Magdalo dancers are welcome) and infuse it with fresh graduates from PDEA academy, let them run the agency.

PDEA is experiencing growing pains, but it looks like the ADD that most members of the &quot;lower&quot; house keeps angrily denying they have. Warriors never betray their emotions, someone was so emphatic and emotional. 

General Miranda, the commandant of the PMC is a good marine, he only wishes well for all his marines, and his advise to all this is the best. 

The brave, the few, .. oh no here comes politicians.

Anyway, to 5th MBLT and the folks at MSEC, Hurrah! Happy New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is as if media cannot be bribed, because they can. That scenario is within the realm of the possibilities. No one is perfect, and it is always safe to say.. that media is also corrupted. </p>
<p>Major Marcelino hails from a poor family&#8230; Aw shucks. So was his chief while he was a youth in Navotas. Whats being poor got to do with being a Marine Major, or Being appointed as CG PA? Huh? What? </p>
<p>Spare us all from the sensationalism.</p>
<p>Silly news all. I always take it all with a grain of salt each time they come out with suites that fail to impress me as credible. News to an I.O. is raw info. or poison. Even the sports page is not entertaining anymore. News papers are used to.. yeah when out their in some rural area, staking out, then feeling the effects of that Burritos from Taco Bell. </p>
<p>Regarding Magdalo, their presence there as agents is welcome however, they must go through the PDEA academy and re-tool their minds to the technical aspect of law enforcement. The former magdalo dancers should not be dragged into this mess, its not about PMA or Law schools, or coups its about how the DOJ and PDEA don&#8217;t see eye to eye in combating illegal drugs.</p>
<p>It started, when someone went to congress and released green house gas. It was not salmonellia tainted tomato sauce from Taco Bell at Cubao, it was more overpowering than that. It was politics.</p>
<p>As far as how PDEA operates, its boot on the addicts neck or buy the farm upon room entry. An addict high on drugs armed with a loaded shotgun is not going to be polite. Its about attitude after all, PDEA agents have guns too. </p>
<p>They can place the eyebrow raising green cover sheets in all their Oplans for all I care, sure the agents life is at risk, all the time even after  the convicted criminals are sentenced. But they are adults, they can handle it. The problem is&#8230;what is the chief up to with all this?</p>
<p>I believe the Alabang boys are guilty. I also believe the court will dismiss their case for insufficient evidence. I prefer the PDEA revise their operational doctrine when it comes to evidence gathering and case build ups. You can confiscate many, but if it is not admissible as evidence, you might as well recruit the SOB&#8217;s as informants and tax them for your retirement, isn&#8217;t that tempting? Keep our soldiers away from such an environment. They can support our law enforcement agencies in terms of firepower and as force multipliers, not like what we are seeing now. The military will always work hand in hand with their counterparts in the law enforcement community, they might even approve a request for an air strike on a clandestine laboratory&#8230; even in Binondo if you like.</p>
<p>DOJ should educate PDEA on the rules and procedures, because the agency is crawling with you know what, DOJ should be PDEA&#8217;s legal partners and be patient with their youth. Get rid of its chief, get rid of active military or police at PDEA (Thats why Magdalo dancers are welcome) and infuse it with fresh graduates from PDEA academy, let them run the agency.</p>
<p>PDEA is experiencing growing pains, but it looks like the ADD that most members of the &#8220;lower&#8221; house keeps angrily denying they have. Warriors never betray their emotions, someone was so emphatic and emotional. </p>
<p>General Miranda, the commandant of the PMC is a good marine, he only wishes well for all his marines, and his advise to all this is the best. </p>
<p>The brave, the few, .. oh no here comes politicians.</p>
<p>Anyway, to 5th MBLT and the folks at MSEC, Hurrah! Happy New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kilmore</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/alabang-boys-%e2%80%93-case-of-media-over-fixation/comment-page-1#comment-27572</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kilmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As good as it may seem, PDEA&#039;s operation is far off from how foreign agencies operate. Its purely for show, and its sad that most people admire them for their public presentation. Why would the head of this agency would tip of in national tv their next operation or people in their watch list? Why would their assets go to local channels for an interview on people they have been dealing with? In foreign countries, they follow rules and keep intel secure which makes them successful in arresting drug dealers. Another thing most cases here either about drugs or any kind of crime, bribes are being offered from the ground up, it would be tempting but only few refuse it whch gives honor to their uniform, but if it refused it why all the controversy? recognition? they can operate a buy bust but not entrap a briber? Im sorry folks for the negative tune but the way I see this is pure publicity and may be a deal gone bad. If they (PDEA) were true to their word then I admire their intentions but not their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As good as it may seem, PDEA&#8217;s operation is far off from how foreign agencies operate. Its purely for show, and its sad that most people admire them for their public presentation. Why would the head of this agency would tip of in national tv their next operation or people in their watch list? Why would their assets go to local channels for an interview on people they have been dealing with? In foreign countries, they follow rules and keep intel secure which makes them successful in arresting drug dealers. Another thing most cases here either about drugs or any kind of crime, bribes are being offered from the ground up, it would be tempting but only few refuse it whch gives honor to their uniform, but if it refused it why all the controversy? recognition? they can operate a buy bust but not entrap a briber? Im sorry folks for the negative tune but the way I see this is pure publicity and may be a deal gone bad. If they (PDEA) were true to their word then I admire their intentions but not their work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker_Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker_Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karkpopper

I think you are barking on the wrong tree here.  How transparent do the PDEA should get?  Almost all aspect of the operation has already been made public.  For all we know, agents have been burned/compromise thus undermining their capability to conduct clandestine work.  

You do understand that in their kind of work (PDEA)some aspect of the operation are classified as &quot;Secret&quot; &quot;Top Secret&quot;?  Hell, its how some of the well known foreign agency operate, not just PDEA.  Its a dirty work, but then its how they get the job done.  Agents life are at stake in fullfiling their duties.

PDEA did the job.  From where I stand, it is the DOJ who have something to hide...I just dont understand why you try to single out the PDEA chief and its agents.

In any major operation, an agency not just PDEA invest on Intel gathering before laying down any operational order whether its a buy bust, entrapment, raid or what not.  It is the most difficult and dangerous aspect of the operational planning.  Oftentimes they use civilian assets just to be able to infiltrate criminal organizations.  These maybe the reason why Dir Santiago used some of the Magdalo people (based on your posts above).  Its to use some of their expertised and act as civilian assets.  All agency law enforcement agency and the Military use it.  We don&#039;t even know...maybe some of the FV people are police assets..

BTW, I know &quot;Magdalo&quot; has more integrity than PGMA. no?

kape tayo sa starbucks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karkpopper</p>
<p>I think you are barking on the wrong tree here.  How transparent do the PDEA should get?  Almost all aspect of the operation has already been made public.  For all we know, agents have been burned/compromise thus undermining their capability to conduct clandestine work.  </p>
<p>You do understand that in their kind of work (PDEA)some aspect of the operation are classified as &#8220;Secret&#8221; &#8220;Top Secret&#8221;?  Hell, its how some of the well known foreign agency operate, not just PDEA.  Its a dirty work, but then its how they get the job done.  Agents life are at stake in fullfiling their duties.</p>
<p>PDEA did the job.  From where I stand, it is the DOJ who have something to hide&#8230;I just dont understand why you try to single out the PDEA chief and its agents.</p>
<p>In any major operation, an agency not just PDEA invest on Intel gathering before laying down any operational order whether its a buy bust, entrapment, raid or what not.  It is the most difficult and dangerous aspect of the operational planning.  Oftentimes they use civilian assets just to be able to infiltrate criminal organizations.  These maybe the reason why Dir Santiago used some of the Magdalo people (based on your posts above).  Its to use some of their expertised and act as civilian assets.  All agency law enforcement agency and the Military use it.  We don&#8217;t even know&#8230;maybe some of the FV people are police assets..</p>
<p>BTW, I know &#8220;Magdalo&#8221; has more integrity than PGMA. no?</p>
<p>kape tayo sa starbucks :)</p>
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		<title>By: karlpopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlpopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the problem in understanding the drug case is our inability if inadequacy to look at two approaches, namely:

1.  Purely legal approach
2.  Purely military approach

In other words, there are to be two mindsets in operation here - the legal mind and the military mind.  

No less than PDEA chief Santiago when interviewed said that in so far as his field of expertise is concerned  - &quot;marami pang bigas na kakainin si Atty. Resado&quot;. 

On the other hand, he quite of admits, albeit condescendingly, that the reverse is true - &quot;bobo ako in terms of the legal aspect of the case&quot; - but that he consults his lawyer because of this limited legal knowledge.

I don&#039;t why in this FV, one can be allowed to make rather obscene, profane language that confronts the person than the issues raised.  For a change, maybe Allan - try to write one article in FV and we will place it in the &quot;microscope&quot; to see whether a germ of an idea even exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the problem in understanding the drug case is our inability if inadequacy to look at two approaches, namely:</p>
<p>1.  Purely legal approach<br />
2.  Purely military approach</p>
<p>In other words, there are to be two mindsets in operation here &#8211; the legal mind and the military mind.  </p>
<p>No less than PDEA chief Santiago when interviewed said that in so far as his field of expertise is concerned  &#8211; &#8220;marami pang bigas na kakainin si Atty. Resado&#8221;. </p>
<p>On the other hand, he quite of admits, albeit condescendingly, that the reverse is true &#8211; &#8220;bobo ako in terms of the legal aspect of the case&#8221; &#8211; but that he consults his lawyer because of this limited legal knowledge.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t why in this FV, one can be allowed to make rather obscene, profane language that confronts the person than the issues raised.  For a change, maybe Allan &#8211; try to write one article in FV and we will place it in the &#8220;microscope&#8221; to see whether a germ of an idea even exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. PAGUNURAN, this is your second article about those ALABANG BOYS, and its clearly you got paid for making this.

Your motive is to confused the public and get the sympathy of the people. your just trying to imitate what bambee do to her blog about the Brawl in Golf.

THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Also Another PDEA Chief in Mindanao come out in the open that DOJ release a Chinese Drug Pusher despite of tons of evidence. so...its clearly they are used to it doing this kind of maneuver to favor the one who pay them. for the Alabang boys this is only one of many groups that pay the DOJ to favor their release.

How much you want to write an article about how dumb and idiot you are?

Allan
Dubai &amp; UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. PAGUNURAN, this is your second article about those ALABANG BOYS, and its clearly you got paid for making this.</p>
<p>Your motive is to confused the public and get the sympathy of the people. your just trying to imitate what bambee do to her blog about the Brawl in Golf.</p>
<p>THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.</p>
<p>Also Another PDEA Chief in Mindanao come out in the open that DOJ release a Chinese Drug Pusher despite of tons of evidence. so&#8230;its clearly they are used to it doing this kind of maneuver to favor the one who pay them. for the Alabang boys this is only one of many groups that pay the DOJ to favor their release.</p>
<p>How much you want to write an article about how dumb and idiot you are?</p>
<p>Allan<br />
Dubai &amp; UK</p>
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		<title>By: karlpopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlpopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps, we have lesser problem to confront a reality such as that DOJ has no credibility than to say the same of PDEA.

At least in the landscape of DOJ, one can have a way of knowing whether a decision or opinion rendered on a case would have been biased.

The same cannot be said of the PDEA landscape because they hide under the cloak of confidentiality  
and where everything is secret, nothing is a fact.
I hope you follow that drift.

PDEA chief has just began to bombard tri media with all sorts of press release for now saying that he hired 18 Magdalo officers whom PGMA already dismissed from the service.

In that alone, there ought to be an overarching moral question that ought to be addressed. Why coddle them when PGMA herself already found them unfit.  For that matter, the DND and the AFP already recommended their dismissal, so why is that?

Well, Allan, don&#039;t think for a second, you can be my master.  You cannot afford me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, we have lesser problem to confront a reality such as that DOJ has no credibility than to say the same of PDEA.</p>
<p>At least in the landscape of DOJ, one can have a way of knowing whether a decision or opinion rendered on a case would have been biased.</p>
<p>The same cannot be said of the PDEA landscape because they hide under the cloak of confidentiality<br />
and where everything is secret, nothing is a fact.<br />
I hope you follow that drift.</p>
<p>PDEA chief has just began to bombard tri media with all sorts of press release for now saying that he hired 18 Magdalo officers whom PGMA already dismissed from the service.</p>
<p>In that alone, there ought to be an overarching moral question that ought to be addressed. Why coddle them when PGMA herself already found them unfit.  For that matter, the DND and the AFP already recommended their dismissal, so why is that?</p>
<p>Well, Allan, don&#8217;t think for a second, you can be my master.  You cannot afford me.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Mr. Primer, even before, the DOJ has no credibility. What will the PDEA Chief get in return after he comes out of the open revealing those bribery situation? lets just say for political ambition...still its dangerous because its like your going up against a big wall...

As for the other political personalities want to join the limelight of this situation, now is their time...They should set an example...file a case to the people involve, convict the alabang boys, pursue the death penalty.

I believe that every person has a price, but for the PDEA Chief that money is not enough to be his price, it will be given by our creator.

As for you Mr.  PRIMER C. PAGUNURAN you have a price for doing a bias article...How much you want to be my SLAVE.

Allan
Dubai &amp; UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Mr. Primer, even before, the DOJ has no credibility. What will the PDEA Chief get in return after he comes out of the open revealing those bribery situation? lets just say for political ambition&#8230;still its dangerous because its like your going up against a big wall&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the other political personalities want to join the limelight of this situation, now is their time&#8230;They should set an example&#8230;file a case to the people involve, convict the alabang boys, pursue the death penalty.</p>
<p>I believe that every person has a price, but for the PDEA Chief that money is not enough to be his price, it will be given by our creator.</p>
<p>As for you Mr.  PRIMER C. PAGUNURAN you have a price for doing a bias article&#8230;How much you want to be my SLAVE.</p>
<p>Allan<br />
Dubai &amp; UK</p>
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		<title>By: karlpopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlpopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, which starbucks and would it be Dutch treat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, which starbucks and would it be Dutch treat?</p>
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		<title>By: Juwan_D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juwan_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lahat ng sangay ng gobyerno wala ng mga credibilidad at integridad...at lahat ng namumuno ng bawat sangay ng gobyerno ay lalong wala ng credibilidad at integridad...

starbuck na daw...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lahat ng sangay ng gobyerno wala ng mga credibilidad at integridad&#8230;at lahat ng namumuno ng bawat sangay ng gobyerno ay lalong wala ng credibilidad at integridad&#8230;</p>
<p>starbuck na daw&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>_____________________________________________________________
From where I stand, where the work of enforcement ends, the work of the prosecution begins. Let not one PDEA chief casts suspicion to DOJ as an institution to the point he undermines the integrity of court prosecutors in high profile drug cases. Truly, PDEA itself must follow all the legal technicalities intended to prevent abuse of authority on the part of most enforcement agencies. Primer.
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From where I perched, the integrity of the DOJ, PDEA, and the Courts have long been undermined with or without the Alabang Boys case. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>_____________________________________________________________<br />
From where I stand, where the work of enforcement ends, the work of the prosecution begins. Let not one PDEA chief casts suspicion to DOJ as an institution to the point he undermines the integrity of court prosecutors in high profile drug cases. Truly, PDEA itself must follow all the legal technicalities intended to prevent abuse of authority on the part of most enforcement agencies. Primer.<br />
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<p>From where I perched, the integrity of the DOJ, PDEA, and the Courts have long been undermined with or without the Alabang Boys case. :)</p>
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