I caught a National Geographic program that deals with the phenomenon you mention, global warming in concert with increasing ice. It is not in conflict. Ocean currents affect temperatures. Therefore, we have situations where the UK and Canada are on the same parallel, but one is moderate in temperature and the other is icy cold. So if currents change, it is consistent that some areas will get warmer as others get colder.

Here’s the pattern that appears to be developing: (1) global warming causes arctic ice to melt (the Arctic Ocean will be open to sea traffic in 10 years), (2) the melting fresh water is dumped into the salty oceans and causes ocean currents to slow, (3) the slowing currents throw us into another ice age.

Even this is just theory, but it is the most advanced understanding to date. Scientists are studying furiously to learn what is happening where, and what might happen and when. Prediction is the name of the game.

The one thing that is known is that the past 10,000 years has been unusually STABLE, climate-wise. So we can anticipate less stability.

So warmth or ice age, get ready . . . intense storms and changing micro-climates are almost certain.

For the Philippines, I’d say: Think about that food, and think about that population growth rate.

Joe

Yes ArcticSamurai is saying in 2007 the low sea ice cover was seen but check out this current data fed by a satellite that tracks the sea ice cover daily. The sea ice cover this year is greater than two years ago.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

You might want to ask her some questions.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/10/09/lawrence-solomon-global-blushing.aspx

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/10/13/lawrence-solomon-the-british-are-for-turning-on-climate-change.aspx

This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

Mainstream media ommit the main reason that our economic, lifestyle ideals does not factor in damage to environment. Once they get blinded to acquiring capital and convenience, everything doesn’t matter: people, environment, ethics.

Being a global problem, the key sources to blame are obviously industrial rich countries. IMO its more about subtracting the sources, than adding counter measures.

To continue our discussion, Fines can be implemented thru strict liability law but not intended for Mang Juan.

Businesses, non profit or other private institutions may follow strict liability law of which our non perfect institutions must legislate. Many progressive countries in the world have Waste Management Law. Organisations operating potentially polluting activities or owning or occupying flood plain sites face the risk of unexpected costs and liabilities associated with the clean-up of contaminated soil, the
remediation of groundwater or the restoration of damaged ecosystems.

This area of law is becoming ever more complex in my adopted perfect world in relation to, for example, restrictions on disposal of hazardous and other categories of waste, permitting requirements and planning permissions. Many corporate environmental offences are often based on strict liability LAW, with possible unlimited FINES, clean-up costs and criminal convictions for directors and managers (non public institutions) Environmental pollution can also lead to civil claims in nuisance or negligence.

In the Philippines , legislating this law may mean that the government must define proper use of land, and available land field and its equipment for use both to public and private. I am inclined to believe that private entities will probably just bribe investigating officer to ignore Strict Liability Law and business will continue as usual. It’s actually happening now.

i think we are now on the same page On Fines and Punishment….. Yeah fine those elites..

To punish Mang Juan for litering in our non perfect world is just not right.

Thanks Joe

um, okay. I get your point. But in my perfect society, the finers are not corrupt, and see the levies as punctuation to the education. Kinda like a little flick on the wrist helps the toddler understand “no”, keep your grubby hands off the TV. It accelerates the education.

Joe

do you not agree that personal discipline in the Philippines is a little . . . um, . . . “soft”?

Joe

it’s been ” um.. soft” for a while. That’s not new Joe. It has become a pattern, ” um soft behavioral pattern” . The “um soft PR” is not an innate behaviour but learned type behaviour. Learned behaviour may occur and may become habitual due to internal stimulus ( hunger or lack of employment opportunity) or external stimulus ( predator politicians,corruption and imnpunity). More often , it is a mixture of the two.
It is a consequence of Bad Governance. It can be reversed thru EDUCATION not fines or punishment. As i wrote, fines may supplement but the way our politicians behave ? collecting fines may just assist them to get even richer…