Benchmarking ng Bayan: Exercise 0709-01
Updated: 07-22-09
To rom and Benign0s witty pieces, I add my two cents of BS.
Before the cart runs before the horse again, and it will (it is the Philippine elections you know, and weirder stuff has been known to happen), I will complete my matrix which I will use to sort out the positions of the presidential candidates. And from this matrix, I will select the candidate who has more in common with my preference. Of course, my preferences dictate that I select the candidate most fit for the job, not the one most likely to win it.
Actually, I have this nagging feeling that am already reading a lot of carts running before the horse.
Personal Benchmarks
I will do my due diligence and do my homework. I will scan, search, google, ask around for data and information about the Philippine presidential candidates. I will come up with a personal benchmark on where the candidates stand about the issues.
Candidates who don’t have clearly articulated positions will receive a lower score in my ranking system – and ultimately, my vote – and possibly a whole lot more of people.
Thus far, my matrix needs more information. And it amazes me that despite the name recall, I have yet to hear the candidates various policy preferences on the key result areas that matter to me. Each KRA will have its weight. However, I have not shown the weights I have assigned to each KRA.
My personal preference is a candidate who:
- Supports charter change, particularly removing the protectionist economic provisions. I am open to changing the term limits to the previous format – two terms; four years per term; no reelection after second term.
- Approaches defense from a holistic point of view – that insurgencies thrive on poverty. Dry the oceans of poverty and insurgency dries like a fish out of water. The savings from the elimination of insurgency can then be redirected to upgrading our external defense capabilities.
- Will prioritize education in terms of: a) increasing the number of classrooms and school buildings; b) increase the number/quality/compensation/timely release of wages of teachers; c) increased public-private sector collaboration in shaping the curriculum and coming up with new course offerings that not only increase the competitiveness of our graduates but of our economy as well.
- Will give a strong push for entrepreneurship.
- Who supports women’s reproductive rights.
Alternative Benchmarks – Emotional Appeal
I am sure, other voters will have their own ranking system.
A lot are known to evaluate based on emotional appeal. I define the “Emotional Appeal” evaluation methodology as one where the voters’ emotions towards the candidate define the positive or negative perception of the candidate. Candidates use the manipulation of the recipient’s emotions, rather than valid logic, to win a buy-off.
Also this kind of thinking may be evident in one who lets emotions and/or other subjective considerations influence one’s reasoning process. This kind of appeal to emotion is a type of red herring and encompasses several logical fallacies, including:
- Appeal to consequences
- Appeal to fear
- Appeal to flattery
- Appeal to pity
- Appeal to ridicule
- Appeal to spite
- Wishful thinking
So, do not be surprised when the ads on TV will start pushing emotional buttons. That’s what the voters respond to, and if that gets the intended response, the candidate will roll the dice accordingly.
A an instance of an emotional appeal-based framework is presented in Table 2 – Emotional Appeal Benchmark.
Benchmarking the Personal Benchmarks
Knowing that I am not only the voter around town, and wanting to get a feel of what the chances are for any issues-oriented candidate. I came up with another matrix that shows the most likely benchmark/meme that voter blocs will most likely resort to.
| TABLE 3 – BENCHMARKING THE “PERSONAL BENCHMARKS” | ||
| VOTER GROUP |
% of Total Voters | Most Likely Benchmark |
| ABC |
7% |
Mostly Issues-Oriented |
| D |
68% |
Mostly Emotional Appeal |
| E |
25% |
Mostly Emotional Appeal |
With 93% of the voting population inclined to vote based on emotional appeal, I will not be surprised it will be deja vu all over again.
Hay buhay.
“Change” Politics in the Philippine Setting
The basic challenge of selling change, as far as Philippine elections is concerned is to be able to convince the voting groups in D&E to adopt an issues-oriented evaluation framework.
The Current or As-Is/State
I hypothesize (or I spin wheels) that:
1. 85% of the ABC voting group are Issues-Oriented, 15% prefer Emotional Appeal.
2. 25% of the D voting group are Issues-Oriented, 75% prefer Emotional Appeal.
3. 25% of the ABC voting group are Issues-Oriented, 75% prefer Emotional Appeal.
4. To have a substantial majority in a plurality, a candidate needs 40% of the voting population, or 16 million voters.
Based on these AS-IS assumptions. I make the following conclusion:
Even if all issues-oriented voters voted for just one candidate, 11,680,000 vote is not enough to reach the magic number of 40% or 16 million – the numbers which delivered the presidency to GMA.
Is the Poor Vote Really a Thinking Vote
In a recent study published in PCIJ – “The Poor Vote is a Thinking Vote”, the study asserts that
- The poor ranked education, experience, platform, and track record as among the most important criteria for choosing candidates.
- They do not necessarily have high regard for the wealthy and powerful. What they do have are idealistic notions of leadership, valuing qualities such as piety (makadiyos), helpfulness, sincerity, and responsibility.
- Celebrities are not necessarily preferred by poor voters. Many said they value educational qualifications, but they were also suspicious about those with superior education. They said experience and good intentions more than compensate for a lack of college education.
- The most import sources of influence in the choice of candidates among the poor are, in declining order: the media, the family, the church, and political parties. Surveys come in last on the list.
The study cites what Filipinos think are the qualities of a good leader:
The study pointed out the factors for selecting candidates:
All of the factors identified mainly push the emotional buttons and does not have anything to do with the policy directions in governance.
The starting point of any race being run intelligently is that ALL the candidates have the leadership qualities.
The differentiation lies in the directions where the candidate proposes to take the nation. The DE groups’ analysis of a candidate stops at the qualities evaluation stage and does not continue into the issues evaluation stage.
What am I going to do with a pious charming president who will take the economy back to the stone age?
The Desired State
To have a decent chance at winning, an Issues-Oriented candidate needs to convince more voters of the DE group to adopt an issues-oriented evaluation framework. Otherwise, he has a snowflake’s chance in hell. The desired state can be something similar to the one presented below.
Thus, a hypothetical desired state can be:
1. 85% of the ABC voting group are Issues-Oriented, 15% prefer Emotional Appeal.
2. 36% of the D voting group are Issues-Oriented, 64% prefer Emotional Appeal (preference for Emotional Appeal-based evaluation criteria down by 11% compared to As-Is).
3. 40% of the ABC voting group are Issues-Oriented, 60% prefer Emotional Appeal (preference for Emotional Appeal-based evaluation criteria down by 15% compared to As-Is).
Various mixes can be crafted, the bottom line is to be able to reach the magic number of 16 million – the number which got the incumbent into the presidency; Erap Estrada’s 39.86% in the 1998 elections.
Getting from the As-Is to the Desired State
Implementing a transition plan involves:
- developing cross functional teams; engaged stakeholders
- the right mix of solutions – grassroots activities complementing state sponsored activities
- finalize a budget; develop KPI scorecard; acceptance of balanced scorecard
- assign responsibilities for implementation; establish timelines for delivering results; establish oversight team
- roll out and launch.
The specifics/tactics of the methodology will vary according to the specific circumstances of each KPI.
Implications
The As-Is state will bring in As-Is results – more of the same.
The Desired state will transform the evaluation criteria from one anchored on Emotional Appeal and replace it with an Issues-Oriented framework.
Dividends are expected to come from a change in evaluation methodology. However, the change in evaluation methodology is not the end-all of the exercise. Rather, it marks the beginning of intelligent discourse to find true solutions to the pressing problems of the day.It is a tactical solution to a strategic challenge – changing the socio-economic mix/pyramid of Philippine society.
Beyond the sloganeering one ough to discern whether the candidate provides solutions that will lead to a fundamental changes in the mix of the voting population.
From a {narrow ABC and wide DE } to a {wide ABC and narrow DE}. By changing the fundamental socio-economic mix (growing the middle class, reducing the poorer class, change in attitudes and practices) an ideal desired state can then have more intelligent course as more affluent classes provide more information and more avenues for discussing the information.
Thus, under such desired state, even if the DE class voted in toto based on Emotional Appeal, it wouldn’t make much of a dent on the numbers of a candidate within an Issues-Oriented environment.
The ideal (to me of course) is that the Philippines has 86% of its voting population categorized under the BC group (aka a large middle class) with smaller numbers in the A and DE groups, and evaluation of candidates will primarily be Issues-Oriented across all voting groups.
So, Mister/Miss Candidate advise your groupies, Platform, plez, as a start.
Popularity: 3% [?]
They have to define and streamline our country’s problems. They must present to us how they will solve these problems. We voters are also thinking, experienced and educated people. We know a good
solution and program, if we see one. The DEVIL is in the Detail of
their presentations. Do not insult our intelligence.
They have to show their commitments on certain issues affecting our
country. INTEGRITY and ABILITY TO LEAD are just some of the important factors.
During the political campaign of Former Pres. Bill Clinton of U.S.
There were rumors that he was naughty with Women. His campaign staff
concealed these rumors. When elected, “nagkalat na siya”. You had heard of the Monia Lewinski scandal at the White House. A White House Intern giving a Blow Job to Bill Clinton. And that blue sperm stained dress of Monica Lewenski. So, watch out for those small rumors…
Great stuff BongV!!
I wonder if there is a way to keep a live or frequently-updated tally of these tables you put up.
Maybe we can get Nick to set up a special section in FV to display these. And then everyone sends in whatever information they come across on any particular bozo and then someone updates the matrix based on an on-going best synthesis of the incoming input…
How frequently are you going to post updates on these matrices of yours?
b0:
I have no idea when the updates are posted – I agree though that we can set up a special section – where pre-qualified commenters update the matrix
Nick might consider the WordPress Wiki Plugin – http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-wiki/installation/
Good summary Bong, since the past performance is an indication of the future, I am looking for a quick summary on individual key achievements and contributions of these presidentiables in their public and private lives for comparison. I wished you add environmental agenda, foreign investment and land management in your key issues as well since these directly impact the lives of present and future Filipinos.
In toto, this piece is weird stuff.
Nothing has been benchmarked. Or, let me explain.
In Table 1, there are 9 key result area (high falluting)and you failed to make ‘assignments’ in those KRA boxes corresponding to each one of the presidentiables.
But, on purpose, you fill 5 assignments for Villar compared to the rest with an average of 3/9. Are you doing a kind of statistical scoring or benchamarking, properly so-called?
Besides, those assignments, to my mind, are hardly well-studied or well-thought out.
In the end, I think you are putting the horse before the cart for this gross insufficency of your units of empirical data. The matrix must crush since it carries no weight at all.
More to the point. In Table 2, why is there a KRA where your assignments under ‘good looking’ appear to be something for sissies (pardon the candour now)?
How unfortunate that in the pack, you singled out BF and Panlilio for your foolish if not very stupid and idiotic assignment as “mukhang katulong”? Why, what’s in a face which you can leave under the care of the beauty parlors where make overs cost so little?
Move to Table 3. What about emotional appeal? It does not make any bit of sense, does it?
How did you come up with those ‘spinned’ estimates, basis of your hypothesis – spinning wheel? How scholarly (pun inclusive)?
Reading this whole piece betrays every pretention of one’s ability to do graduate research. Comes like “chopsuey” cooked without formula. Nice you got plenty of time.
After reading your blogposts and blogcomments of past months, it is not surprising, Primer, that BongV’s matrix goes over your head. Structured analysis not your forte; talangka comments are. [My opinion.... neser, Bose, DingG, sparks or jcc may disagree.]
i think bongv was clear on this:
“I am sure, other voters will have their own ranking system.”
this is at least a good start, which other voters can also do. anyway, in the end we all vote based on our own set of criteria.
Great start. Ignore those who feel they are pointing out something brilliant when they tell you the boat you’re not done building yet will sink. Please keep everyone informed of your progress, they need it.
UP n,
Pittance and I will not add to your misery. Your prejudgment betrays you.
It’s a pity really.
Your pitiful attempts at sounding smart doesn’t distract us from recognizing your crab tendencies, Primer.
Moving along…
Nice start there BongV.
Where could I view your updates?
Raise the level of discussion, UPn by, taking up my comment point by point, for a change than one-liners that are idiotic as they are stupid.
This place never changed.
bongV,
this is really good. i think all voters should get access to the tables you made so they could also do their own evaluation. downloadable pdf perhaps. of course, they could just copy it. anyway just a suggestion.
BongV,
I like the rigor and objectivity of your profile.
I would be inclined to add a “Climate Change/Resource Management” category, as this is something the Philippines should be actively working on during the next president’s term of office.
And is “Defense” strictly military, which is basically NPR/Abu, or is it “Defense and Security”, which wraps up police thuggery, shooting of journalists and other human rights violations? Somehow human rights needs to be in there.
Finally, what about the “economy”, generally, in terms of building wealth. That, to me, is the number one priority, and corruption falls under that, as a plague that sucks wealth from the people. Under the economy is birth control, in my mind, for jobs must outpace babies to bring talent such as yourself home.
I look forward to specific actions from candidates. They can mouth being “anti-corruption” until the cows come home (whenever the hell that is), and unless they have specific things to propose (fair employment law, banning the hiring of friends and acquaintances), they are just blowing smoke.
Joe
“They can mouth being “anti-corruption” until the cows come home (whenever the hell that is), and unless they have specific things to propose (fair employment law, banning the hiring of friends and acquaintances), they are just blowing smoke.”
i have a crazy idea: a law that would make the spouse/partner/closest next of kin of a government official accused of corruption a co-accused in his/her case.
i think our public officials especially those high up in the food chain are not at all afraid to engage in graft and corruption because the risk is low. add their spouse/partner/closes next of kin to the risk equation and maybe they’d think twice. just a crazy thought.
betterphilippines,
“I promise to love, honor, cherish, obey, and go to jail . . .”
Joe
Honestly, the matrix are just boxes – health, defense, education and so on? Then fill the boxes with those “stuff”? Come on.
better than nothing, is it not?
there’s always Erap Estrada :)
So BongV, you don’t believe in protectionism? What are the benefits of reducing our protectionist barriers?
There is one benefit with far reaching implications – reducing protectionist barriers will allow foreign players to address gaps which are not being addressed by domestic players.
Please let us go over that part where bong enumerates 6 conditions for his ‘personal preference’ of his candidate.
In relation to the matrices, tabulated as the are, can we tell, which one is the horse from the cart or the other way around?
That is just the point. We can see the textual contents but it is another thing how they can come together in a piece. On a positive note, it is seminal and let it be revised just as quick.
Pareng Primer, give it a break. This is such basic Evaluation Matrix 101 and yet it flies miles above your head.
Stick to what you do best. Whatever it is.
benignO,
where’s your platform plez graphic?
It’s now online! I updated the footer image on the Platform plez blog with it. Check it out. :-)
Bong V,
Here’s an idea:
1) For each of your rows in Table 1, devise a number of key indicators or qualifications. For example, under “Health” you could list: expand govt. hospitals/health centers, expand health insurance coverage, regulate medical costs, build more community health centers, financial incentives for doctors to practice in RP, etc. Those are just examples, I’m not sure what the best positions to list are. Ideally, they would be expressed in terms that would encourage only one or two choices from the list.
2) Make another table for voters, with all the same indicators, where they could choose which ones in each category are important to them.
3) Then, each instance where a candidate’s position agrees with the voter’s is assigned a numerical value of 1. The candidate with the highest score (which applies only to that particular voter) is the one who is the “best” (for lack of a better word) for that voter.
A website in the US, don’t remember which one, did something like this during the last election. Told me I should vote for Ralph Nader, which I didn’t, but the exercise was very informative.
Ben K:
I initally thought of going into using Kepner Tregoe methodology – which I will actually use later on.
I did notice that basic matrix evaluation is flying way over one commenter’s head. :)
I’d think that would be appropriate given the somewhat subjective nature of the key indicators and their selection – there is absolutely no way to render this in a completely objective way, so K-T is a good choice for minimizing potential biases as far as possible. I guess the big obstacle would be rendering your model in a user-friendly, streamlined way. Obviously, given the deep mystery your basic initial matrix has presented to some people, that might be a real challenge.
This sucks. I spent a couple hours today at work on a statistical model for Internet advertising effectiveness, and what am I spending my free time doing? Thinking about more statistical models and evaluative matrices. Thanks a lot.
There’s always the qualitative comparisons – a good example i think is – http://obama-mccain.info/index-obama-mccain.php
The masses are evil. They should be barred from voting. How can you expect these people to think about issues that affect the country when only carbohydrates run through their hollow skulls?
Indeed, just as the article says, it will be deja vu again. It’s impossible to change our political structure if there won’t be a collective action for change.
If table 3 (Benchmarking the “Personal Benchmarks”) is to be believed by politicians and thier political managers and advisers, then it will not be a surprise if more of the emotionally appealing infomercials of politicians will flood our various media outlet in the coming months.
If benchmarking can be defined as “to provide a standard against which something can be measured or assessed”, then to what standard — or to who’s performance standard (a particular past leader’s ideal or desirable KRA records) — are the records of the KRA’s of the candidates listed in Table 1 are we measuring against? How can the voters objectively determine if one candidate’s KRA records meet a certain standard when there is none included to compare it against?
For this method to be objective, one cannot just simply compare the KRA records of the listed candidates, otherwise the outcome will be tainted with the bias of the one who is doing the comparison.
What makes this method of “benchmarking” difficult to promote its objectivity is the fact that in our country we have yet to agree on who’s particular leadership performance we can use as standard to measure or assess the KRA records of aspiring leaders.
non-malignant – you can always flip a coin – heads or tails – to select a candidate.
A flip-coin selection. That sounds a lot easier, but it only allows for two candidates. :-)
non-malignant : you can use “… better than/same-oh same-oh/ worse than ” compared to GMA.
If you conclude GMA is better than all, tough-luck. The only way December-2010 seem GMA in Malacanang is as guest to a Christmas party.
Seriously, in my attempt to support the advocacy of issue-oriented selection of leaders, I also came up with a similar method as what Bong V. is using.
I tried to present it to my “circle of friends” and we got entangled debating about the objectivity of the method.
Using GMA’s leadership performance records as a standard against which all the probable presidential candidates would only yield an even more inconclusive result because almost all listed aspirants will pass the reverse standard.
Perhaps one way to lessen the subjectivity of this method is to incorporate a quantifying mechanism for every possible KRA that can be included in the list. Then grade the record of a specific presidential aspirant’s KRA according to that mechanism.
NM:
Everyone will have different standards – possibly objectives – the point of the entire exercise is to have a benchmark.
Personally, I am developing another matrix using the Kepner-Tregoe methodology.
Just defining the “Needs/Musts” versus the “Wants” already spurs a debate.
Defining the weights assigned to each “Need/Must” will also be another source of debate.
The bottom line is to have a sober, intelligent review of the candidates and what their platform can deliver – and this can only be done through a systematic process – Decision trees, SAPPADAPA/Kepner-Tregoe, Qualititatve/Quantitative Comparisons – anything is better than selecting on the basis of your emotional buttons after watching a dufus TV ad.
Benchmarking provides the brain with the figures that supports what the heart is saying all along.
“Personally, I am developing another matrix using the Kepner-Tregoe methodology.”
We would gladly await for that.
KT application is posted here – http://filipinovoices.com/ktand2010elections
Non-malignant,
I think debating the form and not the substance is frequently found here on FV, too. Name-calling abounds. Motives are questioned. The issue is ignored. When the issue is put on the table, the conversation often deteriorates into personal attack. No one has EVER changed his mind, as far as I can tell, based upon what someone else presents.
The two most open-minded people appear to be Manuellbuencamino, although his political foundation seems solidly left, and Ben K, who listens respectfully without losing any strength of argument. Benign0 is locked in his style but manages to be profound; so I suspect he must listen, too. BongV is the supreme source of all information and can justify just about any thing he wants with reference quotes.
I would like to see a genuine debate on HOW to end corruption in the Philippines, practically, realistically. No one knows how to get there . . . no one knows . . . For me, I would set as a goal of climbing 20 places on the list of most corrupt nations, where the Philippines now resides at the bottom . . . and figure out what has to happen in order to do that . . . Then in a few years, climb 20 more . . .
This goal mentality seems not to exist here . . .
Joe
Bong is fake on this benchmarking, we all know that. He will end up saying all these are useless because in the final analysis, the voters are well, ask him for the publicly known label, tag, steretype.
I am just one who can’t forget that easily. This is absurd.
No room for things like the debt problem, fiscal policy, et cetera in any of his ‘construction’. And UP N stupidly if not idiotically just throw sweeping foolish name-calling? This is even more absurd of this folk. Don’t think I know you UP n from Adam.
Pittance, really, pittance.
Primer: You are really ticked off, aren’t you?
Hmmmmm…. one way to turn frustration into positive is for you to create something. You can create a matrix that lists the KRA you want folks to evaluate Bayani Fernando on, then specify what Bayani Fernando has either said or has accomplished regarding those KRA’s.
And the moment you put out your MATRIX-on-BF is when a few more Pinoys and Pinays get converted to follow the Pied Paper.
I agree if the Primer matrix does not have the “medyo tisoy” versus “mukhang katulong” as criterion. Baka nga naman manalo dahil dito, ano ba naman ang kinabukasan?
If you don’t want to be called plagiarist, then create a pie-chart!
simple lang yan Primer – come up with your own benchmark if you can :)
o baka naman ayaw mong magbenchmark dahil makikita ang butas ng kandidato mo.. HAHAHAHAHA
May I digress.
“… the magic number of 40% or 16 million – the numbers which delivered the presidency to GMA.”
You assume then that GMA won and actually got those votes.
Pls delete those because somwhere along our way to greater nationhood, that statement will become shaemeful to utter even in whispers.
magic number of 40% – same number that made Estrada win the Presidency in 1998.
what do you mean “assume”? wasn’t it confirmed by the presidential electoral tribunal, the national board of canvassers, the namfrel and the comelec? who do you believe, lacson and the rest of the losers?
mr. primer,
pasensya na po pero naguluhan ako sa gamit mo ng pittance. please clarify kasi sa dictionary ito daw ang meaning.
* an inadequate payment; “they work all day for a mere pittance” wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
* Pittance (through French pitance and from Latin pietas, loving kindness) is a gift to the members of a religious house for masses, consisting usually of an extra allowance of food or wine on occasions such as the anniversary of the donor’s death festivals and other similar occasions. …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittance
* A small allowance of food and drink; a scanty meal; A meagre allowance of money or wages; A small amount
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pittance
* In a monastery, an extra dish of fish or eggs that is eaten in addition to the standard dishes specified by the rule under which the community …
http://www.aedificium.org/Glossary.html
pit·tance (ptns)
n.
1. A meager monetary allowance, wage, or remuneration.
2. A very small amount:
Bong,
How can you benchmark when you don’t even have the baseline information?
How can you construct a matrix when you have not formulated what the parameters are in specific terms of reference, not big blocks of ideas yet to be grounded in smaller cubes?
There is a lot more of things to do to be able to set the criteria for the presidentiables and even if you may have been able to set one, still, your results might still be nothing but vague if not vacuous generalities.
I don’t see how you can construct a good matrix much less a good benchmark for the presidency. And don’t play percentages without empirical basis. You can’t indulge in “spinning wheels”.
your baseline information is – your candidates
there are seven candidates – that’s your baseline information
There is no need for a benchmark or matrix, come to think of it, since there are not great reasonable number of choices from the field saved one.
Exercise in futility. This is what happens when one is so concerned with readers getting impressed of their pieces than simply express their ideas.
It is not for writers to say their writings are great! Holy mackerel, your reputation precedes you.
based on a MUST criteria of having experience holding a national position – Fernando and Panlilio are OUT!
:)
BongV,
Why is holding a national position a MUST criteria?
Ronald Regan’s national credentials were movie screen credits . . .
I’d vote for Warren Buffet if he were Filipino . . .
Or better yet, Tom Takakura, a Japanese banker no one has ever heard of . . . outside of a few honored co-workers . . .
Character, ability to get things done, THEN platform . . . National position is a big zero . . . especially here where the ability to get things done at the national level is based on warped fundamentals of personality and power . . . not productivity . . . who needs it?
Joe
how can you, an american, vote for buffet if he were a filipino? i’ve asked you before and i ask you again, are you really who you say you are or have you been pulling our leg all this time?
I would amend holding a national position. Consider positions which require leadership/management qualities comparable to those which are required of a president. In the US, a state governorship is usually considered a reasonable substitute for holding a national office in terms of experience. Not so sure here, y’all have to make your own judgment on that.
Bencard,
Really, what do you expect me to do? I’ve told you over and over again that I am just me, not some figment of your imagination. You want me to tell you I’m djb or jfk returned, fine, that’s who I am, for you and you alone.
My wife has many friends, Filipino, who care little about politics. We are working on registering them to vote. I expect to deliver 10 to 25 votes for the candidate of my choice.
Now shaddup about it already . . .
Joe
Joe:
It’s MUST for me – he must have held a national position – or he will be fighting coup attempts left and right :)
Wrong:
The premise is simple:
1 – There are seven candidates.
2 – There are key issues that the candidates need to be clear about
That is a basic matrix: Candidates are your constants; position issues are your variable factors.
That is very basic and you don’t understand it.
This is definitely a basic qualitative benchmark. I have not even used Decision Trees and Kepner-Tregoe methodology.
I would not even ask that your rather foul words be stricken off the record since I would undertake to discuss ideas or views with anyone of you here provided however we can observe the same protocol.
If by any struck of luck I become a servant of BF, I would do so with pride and dignity. There is nothing at all to be ashamed. You can him “mukhang katulog” without as much as looking yourself in the mirror first. You must be made of some strange stuff, please do a reality check.
And what of Erap? All his advisers are from UP and do you as much as shame them too? Please treat men equal, if you must.
FV is about being commandeered by “pseudo-intellectual masturbators” like you. And I would spell it pittance if this goes on and on. You see, we have already lost a lot of intellectual soldiers here – you are one of those types who shoot them.
And they are ‘luminaries’ in terms of promoting the highest intellectual culture. And you and your kind, what have you done?
primer:
your cutie-patootie bull crap is so yesterday.
for all of UP’s daunted intellectual prowess, that all of UP’s bright boys can’t save Erap says a lot about UP, or that UP cast its lot with Erap say a lot about UP too – don’t you think… ooops…. you don’t think :)
Primer, if you want “it” to be rubbed in – yan ang napala ng UP, idolizing a high-school drop out from a sectarian school. why settle for a sectarian school drop-out when you can have someone who actually had the discipline, foresight and self-sacrifice to the finish the entire rigamarole in the tradition of “suitics” running through the gamut of Manila, Zamboanga, Cagayan, Bicol, Davao, Chicago, Cuba, and Georgetown.
Pumili na lang rin ng kandidato ang UP – eto simpleng benchmark:
Benchmark: Erap vs Roco
Education:
both are products of sectarian schools
- yung isa drop-out, yung isa hindi.
Experience at the National Level
yung isa shaped up DECS,
yung isa panay ang kalasingan at patayan sa PCGG – rubout naman.
pag yaan eh tinamaan ng gestalt – baka yung pula naging puti na naging itim na naging grey depende kung anong kape ang ininom mo at kung anong klaseng langaw ang dumapo sa etsas mo :)
ano ba yan men, pati ba naman ang UP dadalahin mo pa sa ka ekekan mo.
Just spell out the key issues you are talking about and let us see.
key issues already spelled out – whooshing over your head :)
Baseline information the candidates? Oh, is that it?
Wala man lang ka gestalt gestalt ung formula mo. Okay, I think there are some who would be kind listening to you.
Is there anything else?
primer:
that’s why you use a matrix – to take out the gestalt!
geezhh… :)
bongv, now it’s easier to understand why all candidates, with almost no exception, are not issues-oriented. while some are naturally witless buffons, others could not care less as long as they can satisfy the emotional needs of at least 40% of the electorate. at the end of the day, the quality of our elected “leaders” depends upon the intellectual caliber of the dominant portions of our voting public – the 93% which comprise the D and E voting groups.
great matrix, bongv. a work of exceptional value.
Your circle of pseudo Ivy League is not much of a competition, either.
What a scandal for you to have bencurd your ‘sole authority’ – you have the same faces and how paradoxical that your little number has ‘overcrowded’ this space?
These are the writers of FV who do not want to be interpellated because they think their works have become utopia. Okay, finish the job and let us see later what comes out of it.
justpass,
Excuse me for giving you any ‘trouble’. The last use of the word could have been your first or last definition of the word (as you undertook to enumerate from source).
Always the last word isolated comments.
For instance, if any stupid idiot says “great work … of exceptional value”, depends on the context it can be used, one can say pittance (to impart inadequacy or smallness) which most times characterize some works here at FV.
But you see, it seems that it is getting through their brains. They thought of Ivory Towers they cannot descend from. Connie has a term for it anyway.
Primer – if you are referring to your work – the most appropriate term is incoherent and pitifully pathetic parochial and trivial :)
Ivory Tower? Really? Sino ba dito ang ngawa ng ngawa about being in UP – the ivory tower which idolizes the high school drop out of a sectarian school :)
sure says a lot about how low the bar has been set in Primer’s Ivory Tower – aba’y high school drop out lang pala, yanig na ang Ivory Tower :)
sa susunod nyan papalitan na ni Primer ang oblation ng rebulto ni Erap.. o ni Fernando .. ROTFLMAO
Kindly look over the “censorship” please, justpass, so next time I can use the word “censored” in special cases.
You know what Primer, I thought at some point that Nick talked some sense into you already (unless he was yet again playing Mr. Nice Guy as he usually does and leaves the Attack Dog dirty work to guys like me and a few others here). But it seems you were simply born lacking some kind of brain gene that is otherwise present in most sensible people capable of forming coherent thought constructs.
One of the most DISTURBING aspects about you is that you somehow managed to find a place for yourself in the education system of Pinoy society. So I surmise that even as I write this, you are propagating the severely flawed way of thinking you are exhibiting here across a hapless generation of Filipino youth who are still at such a clueless stage as to be completely unaware of the slow poisoning process they are undergoing under your tutelage.
So much for what lies for the future of this hapless society. With people like you relentlessly subtracting from the collective intellect of an entire society, it makes it easy for shrewd politicians to make a significant buck out of the endemic moronism of Pinoy society.
In an effort to even things up, I’ve temporarily stopped thinking and now lend my voice to support Primer’s position.
Now, if only someone will tell me what that is, i’d be much obliged.
The ‘rider comment’ of this beancurd in his first comment over here is rather misplaced and the language is unparliamentarian as has been viciously observed of this guy who acts like a bully in the school yard.
I take it to mean that at FV this obscene, foul language, is in standard usage, am I wrong?
I can seek to be educated on the matter. For the sake of a rather cordial exchange of ‘diametrically opposed views”, can anyone please explain the role of rather “toothless” Attack Dogs that some rather unsettling minds at FV wish to play?
Back to the topic, as soon as we can collate the inputs, the entire results would just be mere statistical reality and since statistics is a dismal science, benchmarking politics is rather elusive.
Platforms are made of thought constructs as benigno here has mentioned and as such are works in abstraction. You can only have the Classes As and Bs to pay attention to this. How about the rest of the demographic classes?
there’s always the option of not using your brain – and just selecting on who best massages your ego :)
Erap Erap Erap Erap Erap Erap Erap
Primer,
I’ve spent two entire days watching my e-mail inbox fill up with comments on this topic, about half of it brainless spew from you. And yes, you did misuse the word ‘pittance’.
BongV’s model is ONE way to evaluate candidates based on a VARIABLE set of criteria. It is crystal-clear. It most likely is not perfect. And because it isn’t you, like most of the self-important tontows that we foreigners make snide jokes about in the bar Friday nights after spending our week beating our heads against the brick wall that is the Pinoy intellect, either choose to or are mentally incapable of embracing the concept of ‘development process’, and condemn that which is not handed to you in final, polished, so-simple-a-monkey-could-use-it form.
You don’t like Bong’s variables? That’s why they’re VARIABLE. He said as much. Use your own. But unless you can make a coherent argument backed by reason and evidence of why the basic premise is logically flawed, and ideally present alternatives, then all you’re doing is acting like my four-year-old: “It’s not the way I like it, therefore it’s wrong, therefore I’m going to throw a tantrum.”
Look, you want to vote for BF and your mind is closed to other choices, that’s up to you. You have a right, and there’s nothing wrong with it. But stop trying to cover your embarrassment at not knowing why by trying to sound like a smart contrarian. Because it’s not working. Unless you have a worthwhile contribution to the debate (something, btw, which is judged by general assent of the debating community and not simply by one saying ‘I have something to contribute to the debate’), then you need to STFU.
you mean like a dummy used by ventriloquists?
What’s the point ben k?
See? You just made it for me.
mmmm… parang nakikita ko na ang susunod na post ni primer… “how can you solve a problem like bongV”
Sure, you have to make yourself comfortable here ben k.
FV is a gate with no key, it has to be thrown as soon as it opens.
But that does not give anyone license to “insult” straight personal. There ought to be observed some “language appropriate” protocol and that the criteria or parameters should be clearly set whenever one seeks one.
If I write a post about bong, he might buy a shotgun to blow his head off himself. So I am an entirely moral person so I hasten not to write one about this guy. DJB has a term for him that I hate to remember now. bong can be a friend, but this is not what I came here for or was invited to.
And this beancurd is the mind of a 4 year old. Observe this guy wherever you find him and what sort of stuff does he speak in defense of a president. He is not even a spokesperson for GMA but the behavior is telling.
WOW. And I was always curious about who really wrote the “You can’t not blame Dennis for exchanging you to me” letter. Funny, I expected somebody prettier, at least.
ha ha! Here’s the famous article:
You can’t not blame Dennis for exchanging you to me!!
Now that you mention it, the similarities are ucanny… :-D
primer:
it is not even worth for moi to devote a post on you when you are doing an excellent job of entertaining us with your buffonneery and your foot-in-mouth disease bravado :)
However much you try, water cannot rise above the source.
Bong, you can always throw all those obscene words as you have been doing but try to react to comments on the level of ideas.
It’s simple really. I don’t want to go down to that level or later on it will be very difficult to raise the bar. Get?
Unfortunately, I can see other hands pulling the bar further down making even ‘dumber” a self-professed intelligent collective.
Well, just debate – no ad hominems. You know unnecessary or undue “curse” words can seem to put anyone off balance sometimes. All your conjectures are but subject to refutations. Remember Karl Popper?
Primer:
Your cutie patootie bullcrap is pathetic.
Everyone else has been commenting on the topic, except you who is stuck to commenting on the author.
If you can’t comment on the topic, puhleaze, spare the thread of being dumbed down by your reply. We have no time to give you remedial class. If you are in a discussion where you are out of your league – stay out, your presence only derails the discussions and slows the process down.
I will call a spade a spade, i like brevity – and stupid, timang, gago sounds better than intellectually deficient – and hits the point.