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		<title>By: Better Legislators on the Road to 2010 &#124; Filipino Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Better Legislators on the Road to 2010 &#124; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cited is to build up an infrastructure. It could be a Party-List as Arbet raised a few days ago or Better Political Parties or something else. It doesn&#8217;t have to be HUGE. But just as important is the face&#8212; the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cited is to build up an infrastructure. It could be a Party-List as Arbet raised a few days ago or Better Political Parties or something else. It doesn&#8217;t have to be HUGE. But just as important is the face&#8212; the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Where the Wind Blows &#124; Filipino Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where the Wind Blows &#124; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In and out of the web, I&#8217;ve talked informally with family and friends. Asking and testing what they think about our time. I know it is far from a scientific sampling. In my most recent post, I also asked if you are in favor of impeaching Arroyo. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In and out of the web, I&#8217;ve talked informally with family and friends. Asking and testing what they think about our time. I know it is far from a scientific sampling. In my most recent post, I also asked if you are in favor of impeaching Arroyo. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Are you for&#8230; impeaching Arroyo? &#124; Filipino Voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are you for&#8230; impeaching Arroyo? &#124; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] opinion on the matter is better political parties, not impeachment, but I&#8217;d like to ask you if you are for impeaching Arroyo. Why are you for or against it? Do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cocoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cocoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparks. DJB. thanks for the reference to Karl Polanyi and Susan Strange. 

sparks. i knew you would snicker. hehe. 

seriously now, i disagree that politics and economics should be integrated. planned economies i think is the wrong way to go, even given the current market condition. i think it puts a constraint where none should. The longer banks are nationalized globally, the worst things will be. stabilizing the market is one thing. Keeping it going is another. 

I think it is akin to having a patient in the ICU.

I don&#039;t think economics can be put as simply as Strange and Polanyi expressed. even the best of us can be wrong. Einstein was wrong:  &lt;b&gt;God does play dice&lt;/b&gt;. Or at least that is common wisdom which we&#039;ve learned from quantum mechanics thus far. As with many things in science, tomorrow could be a different kind of universe. A probabilistic universe seem to be the right one as far as our knowledge goes.

The crisis we are in will be studied generously for years to come. Its source, its consequences. It will shape economic policy for years to come. 

Sun Tzu, in his Art of War emphasized logistics in winning a battle. Economics is the fuel that drives human achievement but it is politics that point where its focus should be. There is no doubt that underneath it all, there seems to be a search for a different kind of political philosophy, one that puts human achievement first. Perhaps this will be driven by a different kind of economics, less as an end but more of a means to an end. 

Marion Fourcade-Gourinchas wrote this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asanet.org/footnotes/mayjun04/indexone.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
An Indian born economist once explained his personal theory of reincarnation to his graduate economics class,” Paul Krugman writes in the opening paragraph of his Preface to Peddling Prosperity. “‘If you are a good economist, a virtuous economist,’ he said, ‘you are reborn as a physicist. But if you are an evil, wicked economist, you are reborn as a sociologist.’” Krugman then continues, “A sociologist might say that this quote shows what is wrong with economists: they want a subject that is fundamentally about human beings to have the mathematical certainty of the hard sciences . . . . But good economists know that the speaker was talking about something else entirely: the sheer difficulty of the subject. Economics is harder than physics; luckily it is not quite as hard as sociology.” (1994:xi)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparks. DJB. thanks for the reference to Karl Polanyi and Susan Strange. </p>
<p>sparks. i knew you would snicker. hehe. </p>
<p>seriously now, i disagree that politics and economics should be integrated. planned economies i think is the wrong way to go, even given the current market condition. i think it puts a constraint where none should. The longer banks are nationalized globally, the worst things will be. stabilizing the market is one thing. Keeping it going is another. </p>
<p>I think it is akin to having a patient in the ICU.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think economics can be put as simply as Strange and Polanyi expressed. even the best of us can be wrong. Einstein was wrong:  <b>God does play dice</b>. Or at least that is common wisdom which we&#8217;ve learned from quantum mechanics thus far. As with many things in science, tomorrow could be a different kind of universe. A probabilistic universe seem to be the right one as far as our knowledge goes.</p>
<p>The crisis we are in will be studied generously for years to come. Its source, its consequences. It will shape economic policy for years to come. </p>
<p>Sun Tzu, in his Art of War emphasized logistics in winning a battle. Economics is the fuel that drives human achievement but it is politics that point where its focus should be. There is no doubt that underneath it all, there seems to be a search for a different kind of political philosophy, one that puts human achievement first. Perhaps this will be driven by a different kind of economics, less as an end but more of a means to an end. </p>
<p>Marion Fourcade-Gourinchas wrote this <a href="http://www.asanet.org/footnotes/mayjun04/indexone.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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An Indian born economist once explained his personal theory of reincarnation to his graduate economics class,” Paul Krugman writes in the opening paragraph of his Preface to Peddling Prosperity. “‘If you are a good economist, a virtuous economist,’ he said, ‘you are reborn as a physicist. But if you are an evil, wicked economist, you are reborn as a sociologist.’” Krugman then continues, “A sociologist might say that this quote shows what is wrong with economists: they want a subject that is fundamentally about human beings to have the mathematical certainty of the hard sciences . . . . But good economists know that the speaker was talking about something else entirely: the sheer difficulty of the subject. Economics is harder than physics; luckily it is not quite as hard as sociology.” (1994:xi)
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		<title>By: Rob' Ramos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob' Ramos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece, Cocoy.

I don&#039;t know how this is going to sound, but... we tried turning the Liberal Party into something like a &quot;real&quot; political party.

I know many would contest what we accomplished, particularly during the &quot;Liberal Family&quot; years, roughly 2002 - 2004, but I think the best proof that we could present that what we were doing was WORKING were all those emails and even snail mail of ordinary people asking how to join the Party and be part of what we were doing.

It CAN be done, reforming our political parties into something &quot;real&quot; and relevant. Because I&#039;ve seen it happening. God knows where the LP would be now if only... *sigh* 

Like I said in MLQ3&#039;s blog, Garci SUCKS.

Anyway. Yeah, I agree: Akbayan, for all its faults, seems to be a good template for an effective partylist organization. I&#039;ve worked with them before, back in college, and I was more or less satisfied with what they and we did together, particularly with the Pandayan people.

Personally, I believe that organized political groups are needed to help deal with the malaise that&#039;s turned our political sphere into a walking, stinking corpse.

As to whether effective political parties can still be created after Garci...*sigh*

The disillusionment is almost drowning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece, Cocoy.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how this is going to sound, but&#8230; we tried turning the Liberal Party into something like a &#8220;real&#8221; political party.</p>
<p>I know many would contest what we accomplished, particularly during the &#8220;Liberal Family&#8221; years, roughly 2002 &#8211; 2004, but I think the best proof that we could present that what we were doing was WORKING were all those emails and even snail mail of ordinary people asking how to join the Party and be part of what we were doing.</p>
<p>It CAN be done, reforming our political parties into something &#8220;real&#8221; and relevant. Because I&#8217;ve seen it happening. God knows where the LP would be now if only&#8230; *sigh* </p>
<p>Like I said in MLQ3&#8242;s blog, Garci SUCKS.</p>
<p>Anyway. Yeah, I agree: Akbayan, for all its faults, seems to be a good template for an effective partylist organization. I&#8217;ve worked with them before, back in college, and I was more or less satisfied with what they and we did together, particularly with the Pandayan people.</p>
<p>Personally, I believe that organized political groups are needed to help deal with the malaise that&#8217;s turned our political sphere into a walking, stinking corpse.</p>
<p>As to whether effective political parties can still be created after Garci&#8230;*sigh*</p>
<p>The disillusionment is almost drowning.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cocoy, again, it&#039;s no use arguing with this cvj. just let him wallow in his own world of presumptuosness. his verdict of &quot;cheating&quot; is his alone, except for a relatively few who, like him, don&#039;t believe in the wisdom of the prcocess of truth-seeking. and this, in large part, is the reason why gma is still the SITTING president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cocoy, again, it&#8217;s no use arguing with this cvj. just let him wallow in his own world of presumptuosness. his verdict of &#8220;cheating&#8221; is his alone, except for a relatively few who, like him, don&#8217;t believe in the wisdom of the prcocess of truth-seeking. and this, in large part, is the reason why gma is still the SITTING president.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem with &quot;run-off&quot; electoral system is that it will not only be more costly (a duplicative nationwide election between the &quot;finalists&quot; after a no-holds-barred winnowing process among many), but, more importantly, it will foster the same personality politics that we currently have where even an &quot;idiot&quot;, popularly perceived as hero or messiah, could get elected. 

a 2-party system (in the true sense) defined by real platforms, visions and a concrete blueprint for governance at least provides for a CHOICE vital to himself, his country and his people. it&#039;s time our electorate be given an opportunity to use its collective wisdom to choose leaders that are committed to a definitive programs that have been presented, disclosed to, and analyzed by, the electorate beforehand, for its acceptance or rejection. let all candidates live or die through the issues that they espouse, not the size of their wallet, demagoguery or bubble popularity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem with &#8220;run-off&#8221; electoral system is that it will not only be more costly (a duplicative nationwide election between the &#8220;finalists&#8221; after a no-holds-barred winnowing process among many), but, more importantly, it will foster the same personality politics that we currently have where even an &#8220;idiot&#8221;, popularly perceived as hero or messiah, could get elected. </p>
<p>a 2-party system (in the true sense) defined by real platforms, visions and a concrete blueprint for governance at least provides for a CHOICE vital to himself, his country and his people. it&#8217;s time our electorate be given an opportunity to use its collective wisdom to choose leaders that are committed to a definitive programs that have been presented, disclosed to, and analyzed by, the electorate beforehand, for its acceptance or rejection. let all candidates live or die through the issues that they espouse, not the size of their wallet, demagoguery or bubble popularity.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cocoy, bloc voting has its problems of course, chief among which is it strengthens the advantages of the organized, chief among whom would be whichever party is in power. but in terms of the senate, the alternative is celebrity politics instead of party machine politics. same for the presidency, a majoritarian institution to which has been grafted the multi-party system where victory goes not to the one who can build a majority, but instead the winning plurality. 

i do believe that the rules can aid or hinder good governance or at least, governance that isn&#039;t doomed to be bogged down from the start. as far as this point goes, i sympathize with the president&#039;s supporters who point out she didn&#039;t have a fighting chance and really, no president under the present charter has had a fighting chance to govern effectively. what i dispute are the proposals put forward to fix things, usually coming from the unelectable who would rather pursue exotic solutions because they can&#039;t accept the political culture we have. for example, good luck ever succesfully proposing a system where the national electorate doesn&#039;t directly elect the head of government.

a run off ensure that however many candidates start out, only two have a showdown and necessarily this means one will have a majority. the importance of a majority mandate is something obvious to leaders ranging from de gaulle to our past presidents. we are a majoritarian culture, we respect those who have numbers and are truculent when faced with those with a minority basis of support. 

the other way of course is restoring the two party system, since there are ever only two parties: those in power, those who aren&#039;t (and a third party but outside the system are those in the hills trying to replace the entire system). again this limits those who can run and the choices of the electorate. which has good and bad sides to it.

then again if you do not take the path of reform, which assumes there is much that is valuable and meritorious in our political past and how we&#039;ve developed, then the option left is a clean sweep. in which case as lenin said there&#039;s no way to make an omelet without breaking eggs. but i can&#039;t see myself being enthusiastic over people who view other people as omelets. it leads to pol pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cocoy, bloc voting has its problems of course, chief among which is it strengthens the advantages of the organized, chief among whom would be whichever party is in power. but in terms of the senate, the alternative is celebrity politics instead of party machine politics. same for the presidency, a majoritarian institution to which has been grafted the multi-party system where victory goes not to the one who can build a majority, but instead the winning plurality. </p>
<p>i do believe that the rules can aid or hinder good governance or at least, governance that isn&#8217;t doomed to be bogged down from the start. as far as this point goes, i sympathize with the president&#8217;s supporters who point out she didn&#8217;t have a fighting chance and really, no president under the present charter has had a fighting chance to govern effectively. what i dispute are the proposals put forward to fix things, usually coming from the unelectable who would rather pursue exotic solutions because they can&#8217;t accept the political culture we have. for example, good luck ever succesfully proposing a system where the national electorate doesn&#8217;t directly elect the head of government.</p>
<p>a run off ensure that however many candidates start out, only two have a showdown and necessarily this means one will have a majority. the importance of a majority mandate is something obvious to leaders ranging from de gaulle to our past presidents. we are a majoritarian culture, we respect those who have numbers and are truculent when faced with those with a minority basis of support. </p>
<p>the other way of course is restoring the two party system, since there are ever only two parties: those in power, those who aren&#8217;t (and a third party but outside the system are those in the hills trying to replace the entire system). again this limits those who can run and the choices of the electorate. which has good and bad sides to it.</p>
<p>then again if you do not take the path of reform, which assumes there is much that is valuable and meritorious in our political past and how we&#8217;ve developed, then the option left is a clean sweep. in which case as lenin said there&#8217;s no way to make an omelet without breaking eggs. but i can&#8217;t see myself being enthusiastic over people who view other people as omelets. it leads to pol pot.</p>
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		<title>By: cocoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cocoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karl, we wouldn&#039;t need a run off if there was a legit political party. look at the GOP and Democratic Party. They&#039;ve been trimmed down a lot. That serves as their run up. 

but a run off in any case will be a good idea for the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karl, we wouldn&#8217;t need a run off if there was a legit political party. look at the GOP and Democratic Party. They&#8217;ve been trimmed down a lot. That serves as their run up. </p>
<p>but a run off in any case will be a good idea for the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to refer to wikipedia to know what runoff voting means:

&lt;em&gt;Runoff voting can refer to:

    * Two-round system - a voting system used to elect a single winner, whereby only two candidates from the first round continue to the second round
    * Instant-runoff voting - an electoral system whereby voters rank the candidates in order of preference
    * Exhaustive ballot - a voting system whereby rounds of voting continue (with or without elimination) until one candidate achieves a majority. Also called repeated balloting&lt;em&gt;

Now that I know: having more than one round is too many for me.

On the instant type,where you have to rank all the choices;what would be the difference if you write only one name and then you tally them.
Same end results,same difference.

That is just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to refer to wikipedia to know what runoff voting means:</p>
<p><em>Runoff voting can refer to:</p>
<p>    * Two-round system &#8211; a voting system used to elect a single winner, whereby only two candidates from the first round continue to the second round<br />
    * Instant-runoff voting &#8211; an electoral system whereby voters rank the candidates in order of preference<br />
    * Exhaustive ballot &#8211; a voting system whereby rounds of voting continue (with or without elimination) until one candidate achieves a majority. Also called repeated balloting</em><em></p>
<p>Now that I know: having more than one round is too many for me.</p>
<p>On the instant type,where you have to rank all the choices;what would be the difference if you write only one name and then you tally them.<br />
Same end results,same difference.</p>
<p>That is just me.</em></p>
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