Isang sagot kay Reyna Elena.
Ang blogging ay ‘di iba sa pagtitipon-tipon ng mga mamayan sa mga kapulungan noong mga panahong wala pang mass media at lalo na ang internet. Sa aking wari, isa itong paraan upang maipahayag ng kahit sino’ng kabilang ng isang komunidad ang kaniyang saloobin ukol sa pamamamaraan ng pamamalakad ng kaniyang pamahalaan.
‘Di dapat gawing sukatan ang antas ng edukasyon o karanasan sa ‘pulitika’ ang karapatang mag-blog ukol sa pulitika. Kung lahat tayo’y nagbabayad ng buwis, mula sa mga CEO ng mga kumpanya hanggang sa mga nagtitinda na taho sa kalye (na nagbabayad din ng VAT), lahat ay dapat bigyan daan upang mag-hayag ng hinaing o pagsang-ayon sa ating buhay pulitikal. Ang kayod nating lahat ay sinsamsam ng estado, sa gusto man natin o hindi. Lahat tayo ay napapailalim sa mga batas na nililikha ng estado, sa gusto man natin o hindi.
Isang mahalagang elemento ng demokrasiya na pakinggan ang mga haka-haka at kuro-kuro ng lahat. Kakabit nito ang pagtanggap na lahat ay may kakayanang mag-isip para sa kaniyang sarili patungkol sa mga nilalaman ng balita halimbawa o sa mga desisyong ipinatutupad ng Malacañang. Dahil ang Pilipinas ay isang mahirap na bansa, at karamihan sa mga mamayan nito ay salat sa pormal na edukasyon, ang ibig ba’ng sabihin nito ay dapat na isawalang-bahala ang boses ng nakararami? Para ano pa kung gano’n ang eleksyon? Para ano pa kung sa gano’n ang pagbibigay ng mga baseng karapatan sa bawat Pilipino, lalo na ang karapatan ng malalayang pamamahayag o free speech?
Sa pamamahayag ng ating iba’t-iba at madalas ay nagbabanggaang opinyon, nalalaman ng madla ang mga sala-salawing panig. Sa gayon ang madla ay maaaring makapagpasya kung anumang panig ang kanilang kikilingan o hindi.
Ang pagiging ‘intelketwal’ ay isang pang-uring ‘di saklaw ng kung ilan lamang. Lahat tayo ay nag-iisip. Maaaring iba’t-iba ang ating pagtingin ukol sa pulitika, at sa gayon ay iba’t-iba rin ang ating mga hinahangad ukol sa pagpapatakbo ng mga bagay-bagay at kung sa’ang direksyon patutunguhin ang bayan. Ang mga hinaing at kuro-kuro halimbawa ng isang accountant sa Makati ay iba sa mga hinaing at kuro-kuro ng nagtitinda ng samalamig. Hindi dapat na bigyang higit na timbang ang isa sa isa dahil tayong lahat ay nabibilang sa isang pampulitikong komunidad.
Ang kredibilidad sa pamamahayag sa media ay inaani mula sa iba, hindi ibinibigay sa sarili. Sa kauna-unahang pagkakataon – lahat ng mga mamayang Pilipino na may kakayanang magsulat at mag-access ng internet ay maaaring mag-blog at maghayag ng kanilang saloobin ukol sa Pilipinas, sa gobiyerno, sa kapwa Pilipino. Sa kauna-unahang panahon, maaari tayong gumawa ng diskurso at pakikipagtalastasan bilang mga mamayan sa labas ng saklaw ng organisadong mass media at ng kung anumang opisyal na pagtingin ng mga makapangyarihan.
Ang mahalaga siguro ay ang makinig sa isa’t-isa, kumalap ng makabuluhang impormasyon at magpasiya sa ikabubuti ng lahat. Ang impormayson ay maaaring manggaling sa napakaraming panig. Mas mabuti na sigurong mas maraming panig kaysa sa nag-iisang panig. Ang pagtiyak kung ano ang malaman o hindi, ang may bias o hindi, ang kapaki-pakinabang o hindi, ay nakasalalay sa ating sariling kunsensya at pag-iisip.
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Blogging, Journalism and Credibility
Harvard University
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/node/1659
I think the issue of anonymity is very different from the issue of credibility.
An anonymous source can certainly be credible because what he or she says could make a lot of sense, regardless of who that person is, or what letters are allowed before and after his or her name.
There is an old saying that a person’s true character shows in what he or she is willing to say or do when he or she is sure of never being found out.
For this reason, anonymity is not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing under all circumstances.
There is one common situation that arises in bloging contexts however in which I don’t agree with anonymity. That is when some controversial topic reaches a point in which the participants are taking stands and calling for actions or other “real world” measures.
I think in these cases it helps to put one’s name and reputation on the line.
Otherwise it is just a marketplace of ideas in which a thousand flowers are blooming in acrimonious competition.
djb,
for me its like a “put your mouth where your wallet is” context. if you are sure of what you stand for and willing to be praised o excrociated for it, then put your name on it.
you got it right, Dean.
Bert said:
No wonder you are always on the wrong side of the street.
The last time I checked, MLQ apologized to me.
The last time I checked, not one FV writer/blogger had the balls to show their credentials.
The last time I checked, even the person who called me cheap has no balls to show me his credentials too.
The last time I checked, Bert’s comments on this article? 16 comments and more. Enjoyfulness for an original argument coming from one barriotic dimwit?! Hahaha! Cheap Taw calls it iron board.
Anyone heard from your leader what he has to say about these issues? Hehehe! ~*PLAK*~ (ayuff na langaw na to, oo!)
I rest my case your honor Caffeine Sparks. Bert is guilty of being langaw.
It did occur to me that his apology is what has gone to your head.
Or over his head. But Reyna does raise an important point in his own unique way if I understand him correctly: If youre going to post your credentials, you better not lie about them.
But this demanding of credentials. Why? What for? If they post credentials, fine. If they dont, who cares? It’s what they write that determines whether or not our own bullsh*t detectors get triggered.
the way you are blogging and demanding for credentials does not make you an expert. Credentials may be needed during an employment process. FV is a free site. You cannot expect it to deliver the way you want it to be. When facts are not true, it may open room for further discussions and arguments and that’s the beauty about this site. So what if people argue and insult each other here due to lack of credentials?
I think you want respect because you have credentials. That’s not how it works and you know better than that.
reyna elena,
you want respect because you have credentials? how shallow- please re-assess yourself.
i think you are referring to Patricio Mangubat not me. hahaha lost in the game magdalena?
HAHAHAHAHA. You think Manuel L. Quezon III “apologized” to you?!? Seriously?? It wasn’t so much an ‘apology’ as a writing device to argue a lorger point probably beyond your comprehension. DOH.
reyna elena,
so what credentials do you want? i think some FV writers have their BIOS written under their names and in case of others, they have yet to establish theirs by using FV as their OJT. Perhaps after a year here at FV – they can describe in their BIOS, — writer so and so, had survived FV for one year under intense and grueling blitz of pundits like Reyna Elena, DJB, Benigno, MLQ3, Bencard, Abe, Jeg, Cat, Leytenian, and Ding, the insult of Bert and Juwan_D and Renato and still managed to come in one piece! How about that as one’s credentials? :)
jcc,
intellectual bloggers at FV doesn’t understand what “credentials” mean? tsk! tsk! tsk! benigno, cjv, patricio will send you to abu sayaff for such an insult hahaha
my comment was for reyna elena.
yeah but you are actually referring to Patricio Mangubat, Benigno, CJV et al hahaha but most especially Patricio aka Ricky Rivera
ahah, I may have to agree with cvj and magdalena :)
MLQ3 started out by posting something on-the-fly on Facebook:
This was called “a twisted statement” by Reyna Elena which elicited the following too-too-effusive apology from Manolo Quezon:
I disagreed with this apology because I thought the first assessment of Chip Tsao by MLQ3, and his countrymen, at least those who unthinkingly joined the Lynch Mobs, was accurate to begin with.
However, looking at the apology again, I am having an unexpected chuckle upon discovering THIS apology may itself be full of sarcastic, if hidden wit.
Manolo has learnt to deal with, or even mollify, his Public.
As for Chip Tsao, kawawa naman si Chip Tsao sa mga rumaragasang Pinoy, most whom do not treat their household help as well as he does, I reckon. It wasn’t Chip Tsao who invented the term “Toilet Bowl Cleaners of the World” in reference to OFWs, as I recall. It was the well-respected, unexcoriated, Conrado de Quiros!
djb,
please don’t impose your own standard of civility on MLQ3. the guy already said he was sorry for being insensitive to those whose sentiments were ruffled because of his taking Tsao’s side. your opinion that he was right and should have not apologized in the first place to reyna elena does not count… it is a personal assessment on his part and he does not need an umpire to reasses the position he has taken. let us put to rest his apology because from where i sit, he becomes bigger than most of us because of that apology. :)
ARAY KO! oopps! indi pala ako si CJV. by the way, where’s your credentials CJV?
tsk! tsk! tsk! i guess i deserve another apology from you then. forget about the apology. i prefer to see your credentials.
JCC, BB,
I would not presume to impose my standards of civility on anyone, much less Manolo. But I disagreed with the apology because I agreed with his initial assessment that “satire, sarcasm and irony” would be unrecognizable to many even if “it slapped them in the face.” He obviously still believes that because the apology itself appears to employ at least one of these tactical genres of wit.
Of course an apology is his to give, but this is not ultimately about Manolo or BB Gandangreyna, but about Chip Tsao and our touchy-touchy coeur of low self-esteem that gets organized into ululating Lynch Mobs driven by self-flagellating negative feedback loops of super patriots in funny costumes and odd contortions.
Never mind that Filipino on Filipino cruelties, like Filipino on Filipino rapes, thievery, disloyalty, vice and viciousness are rampant.
Oh no. We must crucify some Chip Tsao for insulting us with the Truth.
Our best credential should be the qualification of human being first and foremost, and way ahead of any other label one cares to choose instead, like Filipino, or Chinese, or American, or any credential, like Doctor, or Lawyer or Priest or Blogger or Intellectual or Gender-Jumping Commercial Gigolo.
Of course demanding credentials in a blog is like accosting people in a crowded bus station and saying, “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.” It’s really slightly obscene, if not downright silly.
I would like to think that at FV, it is indeed our ideas that matter, and how well we express them so others might think them reasonable and the notion that we ought, as Filipino human beings to be far more secure in ourselves and not let ourselves be worried like sheep by cheap shots to the point where we are demanding apologies of each other.
But if anyone needs to make explicit their credentials, who am I to obstruct such emotional essentials?
DJB,
Pleazzzee… I thought for a while I was reading BongV’s post who kept parsing Tsao’s article that it was meant to awaken us and not to insult as. hahahahaha1!!!
Please observe the context: “As a nation of servants you cannot flex your muscles against your masters from who you depended so much for your bread and butter”.
Flexing of muscles was used in the context of “baseline claim of RP over the Spratleys”, thus as “servants” whatever is your legal rights over the Spratleys have been ipso facto abrogated by your being “servants” and it is imprudent to lay a legal claim over these reefs against your masters where you get most of your bread and butter.
My reading is that the entire Philippines survives because of HK. Thus it derogates the remittances also of other OFW’s and Immigrants from U.S., Oman, Dubai, Saudi, France, England and carribean cruise crew.
It gives you also the erroeneous idea that even those OFW’s working as servants in other parts of the world are being paid by HK too. (dependent most of your bread and butter). Don’t you see the factual duplicity in Tsao’s submission?
It derogates too other OFW’s who arduously work as nurses, doctors, engineers, pt’s, construction workers, it professionals,(like CJV), carribean cruise crew, artists, small enterpreneurs whose collective remittances far exceeds those remittances from our Pinay maids from Hongkong. ( therefore we do not depend so much from HK for bread and butter).
If you don’t see the article putrid’s sarcasm and insult, fine, but don’t begrudge others who see clearly through the insult. Your position that those who felt insulted have low-self esteem and those who didn’t were far superior human beings – were one of those instances where you patted yourself on the back or say good morning to yourself… but honestly DJB, i would stil admire you for taking a contrary position. :)
jcc:
too much ado over nothing and making mountains out of molehill does not begin to describe this myopic knee jerk reflex arising from a collective low self-esteem.
get over it fellas, para kayong mga overacting divas wearing a chip on the shoulder. ROTFLMAO.
if you don’t wanna be called a nation of servants – stop working as service workers in the service economy elsewhere – go back to the Philippines and stay jobless or go back to the Philippines and be content with subhuman compensation – then you can rally whenever you feel insulted anyway makakapal naman ang mukha ng mga leaders na pinipili nyo.
hay nakuu bong V kung puede ko lang sabihin na ito ang barya, bumili ka ng kausap mo. wala sa hulog ang mga argumento mo. ooppps nasabi ko na pala. sorry. :)
jcc – back at you kid.
we agree to disagree.
you find it insulting . i don’t. lines are drawn that’s just about it.
thanks for your barya – but, you can use it more than i do, here’s a quarter to add to your barya .
Wala rin kayong kapagod-pagod. I think Irate and jcc are spot on in this extended thread. Happy Easter, all.
Kung sabagay Holy Friday nga pala so there are flaggelant, cross bearers and ‘crucifiers’.
Happy Easter to you Ding and to all!
All this to and from about credential and credibility is perhaps one way of passing time.
If I way humbly share one point, I am starting to get the feeling there’s a coarsely disguised angling to be ‘credentialized’ and be ‘invited’ into the FV Collective.
It’s a free space. Why can’t such desire simply be admitted and so we can move on. Hindi naman masamang maging tapat sa pagnanais.
Ang lahat ay nasusukat, at masusukat di lamang sa salitra kundi sa gawa, wika nga, salip naman ng mga kwentong walang kwenta.
Ang balana ang sitang magpaoasya kung tatangkilikin ang isinulat.
Tara.
Sa dulo, mas marami, mas masaya:)
Ulitin ko yung tinuran ko na dati, ;lahat naman ay likha at anak ng Maykapal, maging yung ang tanging katangian ay ang pagiging May Kapal.
Muli, advance Happy Easter po sa inyong lahat.
Hehehe, would you like to ask your leader who is inviting who? hahaha! I have credentials Ding. Understand that one of your beings challenged me. Where are the credentials of FV writers? If you people have it, you would have flaunt. You would have slapped it in ma face. Nothing. There’s nothing. Puro lang naman kayo dada. Hahaha!
i’m just intrigued of this credential thing. so what have you got, BB?
I went to Reyna Elena’s blog as I was intrigued by her demand for “credentials”. She mused, I supposed that everyone who writes must have credentials (CV’s) ready anytime and must be recycled every six months because an opportunity may come knocking at the door and you won’t be caught flat-footed. She offers a resume writing services. Thus it is clear to me now that her credential requirement is related to one who seeks employment. But how is this related to one’s passion to become a pundit? Is there an institution that can bestow someone a degree on “punditry?”
It is clear to me now that the “credential” BB was talking about is entirely different from anonymity as posited by DJB which I for one would have agreed that if you write something you feel strongly about, you should not be afraid to affix your signature on it and not that you should have consonant suffixes in your name to be able to write about it.
So Reyna Elena’s credential is “BIO/CV” as a threshold for someone to blog. (or did I mispresent it?). I for one would be interested in one’s BIO to telegraph his grasp of the subject. I would like to savor dissertation on economics from a fellow who has a degree on economics. But my requirement is not “straight-jacketed”. There are people who do not have consonant suffixes in their names but talk more sensibly than those fellows who have those consonants. But we are talking of prodigies. Do we have them here at FV? Hehehehehehe!!!
somebody deleted my response to JCC on his question about credentials… why? hahaha
This site is fun. Full of middle-aged has-beens with no social lives. :-)
hehehehe.
“However, looking at the apology again, I am having an unexpected chuckle upon discovering THIS apology may itself be full of sarcastic, if hidden wit.”-DJB
Being just an ordinary ‘langaw’ and not as highly credentialed blogger/commenter as Reyna Elena I find it a bit difficult myself to discern the hidden wit in Manolo’s apology.
However the pretty Reyna himself was totally in the dark, heheh.
Happy Easter Day, guys and girls!
you’d be very surprised “bert” (anonymous) 99.99% probabality, i know you. based on dalwang bolang kristal ni reyna elena. i bet you, you prefer to be anonymous because you ain’t got no credentials whatsoever. korak? hahaha!
this is the lesson for feeling intellectuals. before you ask for credentials from anybody, ready yours. for if you don’t have it, you got no right to ask. for feeling wannabe political bloggers like some of you here at FV? nuttin hahaah! aawayin ba at ookray okrayin ang bakla, wala naman pala kayong mga panama. ansamang leksyon nun “bert” kaya if i were you take out the parenthesis bwahahaha!!!!
Hi, Reyna! alam dito sa FV, at baka nabasa mo na rin dito na ako ay laking-bundok. kapag ako natutuwa at nasa mood mag-biro, “heheh’ na lang nilalagay ko, kasi hindi ko alam maglagay ng ‘smiley’ (‘o imoticon ba iyon?) hindi kagaya ninyong matataas ang credentials.
ang credential ko ay ang mga uka sa aking mga talampakan na gawa ng kaa-akyat sa mga kabundukan sa Bicol na aking kinalakihan, at akin ding ipinagma-malaki.
hindi kita ina-away, maski ang mga commenters mo na nagpa-pasyal dito ay hindi ko ina-away, kahit anong gawin nila sa akin.
nagco-comment lang ako rito sa FV, at siempre sinasagot ko rin ng ang mga comments dito, na walang pinag-iba sa sagutan sa alin mang blog/forum…gaya sa mga pangkaraniwang biruan, insultuhan, paliwanagan, pagbigay ng sariling opinion, iba pa, na wala namang kinalaman sa sinasabi mong “feeling intellectual”.
pero, kung gusto ninyo akong awayin, ok lang, hindi ko naman kayo pagbabawalan.
byernes santo ngayon. at least dito sa kuta ko. kaya ceasefire muna. time to reflect and time to check the validity of our collective anting anting.
at maganda debate dito kahit minsan sume segway. di katulad kapag article ni pat, pag nagkumento ka ng kontra. sira ang pagkatao mo. wahahahahah!
peace yo.
Sapat na kayang credentials kay Queen Latifa kung ang background mo ay Pisay, Peyups, at Columbia? Executive position. Plus tall, dark, and ruggedly handsome? :)
Pero sasabihin ng mga hapon, hindi na Blogging and nangyayari, watanabe san, kundi Bragging.
hehehe again.
I don’t think reyna’s credential will fit to become the advisor of FV. She/He has no PR. Personality type is somewhat insecure.
hi magdalena,
you might eat your words if i blog “something very interesting” and i’ll prove to you that i was indeed an FV advisor hahaha
ALSO…. someone at FV has been deleting my responses esp my response to JCC about “credentials”
hehehe leche! kiver kung Columbia ka pa! isunod agad and physical examination para talagang makilatis ang tall and very very dark hahahaha
jcc,
Hayaan mo lang… It must be the severe heat for some who are feeling dehydrate or natutuyuan ng…kaya… advance Happy Easter po.
in my place of the world, Ding, I am still freezing. hehehehehe!!! !
Happy Easter. :)
cat,
i see someone with a superlative credentials.. opps its mine and i wrote it myself. :) :)
Well folks, this is our Philippines. Almost 65 years of democracy and independence,untrammeled by progress! :)
As MLQ3′s grandpa said, better ‘run like hell’ by us. Is it a Chinese proverb that says ‘Be careful for what you pray for. You might get it.’
Be that as it may, I’m still thankful to be alive, living in Manila, and looking at all these beautiful Filipinas. Really, ‘Pinakamagandang Hayop sa Balat ng Mundo? :)
Anyways, Happy Easter to all of you Pinoy Voyses!
Beautiful and they are all ours. If these guyz are only interested in each other, who are we to object?? hahaha.
jcc,
Your “…offers a resume writing services…”
Yun naman pala eh… application nga…. and services marketing…. akala ko pa naman tunay na causa…
‘how long have you have been staying under the rock?’
Never lived there Ms. C at! What do you think of me, the Slime of the Lord of the Ring. Preciuuuooosss. :)
Never thought of those thoughts you are saying. Now, that you’ve mentioned it. Ahem, my three children are all good-looking, smart & intelligent, and achievers, like their Dad :)
Some more bragging from me: published works, well-traveled, and good public speaker. :)
I loved the way you reacted, though. :)
If you are interested to know who the blogger is, you should have read more, then you will find out that reyna elena is not a she but a he.
This is the real reyna elena.
http://thepinoy.net/?p=2258
so to the commenter who made the remark that reyna’s motivation in asking the credentials of some bloggers here in FV because he would like to join it as a writer, my question is who needs who?
1. reyna elena has already a successful blog unlike other writers here who have to promote their blogs vial links.
2. he caters to a difference audience
3. what additional credentials will he get if he regularly writes in FV when he is welcomed to write about Finance in the PDI?
Thanks for the link Cat. So BB is Edwin Jamora, the finance director (used to be) biggest house finance company in the U.S.
I am impressed enough by his “credentials”, but why Reyna Elena? – is there some gay thing in this?
SIKKKWEEETTT! di ko sasabihin at kahit pilitin mo ako di ko pa rin sasabihin JCC hahaha!
For FV bloggers to understand “reyna elena” one must have strong credentials. Yan na nga ang issue ko. Feeling intellectuals but it’s all a facade under fake credentials.
All your anti-reyna discussion are all ALIBIS. if you have credentials, i’m pretty sure, sinampal na ninyo saken yan. You don’t need a high school degree to figure that out.
And the C at,
For someone who claims to be credentialed, dean of a school, and who have stayed in the United States (San Francisco, is it?), your written work in English really needs a lot of polishing. Poor form and substance, my dear.
benign0 will really laugh at your poor country club englitzes :)
The process of team building can easily be accomplished by allowing diversity of opinions and variety of ideas regardless of “lack or with credentials” in academic sense.
A team consist of many heads/minds with different level of opinions and level of skills. Each team has a common goal to accomplish. The common goal here at FV may not be about the meeting of the minds and the needs for bloggers to have credentials in academic sense.
It is simply an open site catering almost everybody. If you don’t like what you read, then GET a LIfe. :)
I am looking forward for Easter Sunday. Happy Easter everyone.
Ditto, ma’am, ditto. You’re spot on. :)
ano bah ang gusto niyo… mag-away tayo like as if we don’t really have a life in reality. Look folks, drink a glass of wine and think of FV as your online community that will always be there for you 24/7. When you feel like expressing, pick the topic you like, prepare your thoughts and attack :)
FV is only a year old. It will have plenty of time to evolve . The probability of success and building a quality team can be greater with support. I wanna be a part of that team. would you?
How do you guys get along with people at work if you are all ANAL about something so irrelevant.
it seems in that OFWs are a humor sacred cow in the philippines. you can’t make fun of them. you can’t make fun of the philippines because of them…
Amen. leytenian, amen.
Pinoy nga naman talaga. :D
Out of all this pointless debate only one snippet of “wisdom” stands out:
And in itself summarises what underpins the Pinoy’s world renowned loser mentality.
No meat this easter, Reyna Elena. ;)
hehehe, don’t even try benigno! if your co-bloggers disowned you, who are you to me? nada. hahahaha
Don’t worry, Reyna. I don’t aspire to be anything to you, nor do I aspire to be accepted by popular sentiment.
hey! at least this is very commendable of you. accepting that you’re such a loser.
GabbyD, Benigno,
So it is all about trying to make fun for the two of you. I consider the article objectionable yet I do not feel inferior to anyone of you. Nor did I feel extreme low-self esteem. Your characterization of those people who felt offended by Tsao’s article is a subconscious self-promotion of your persons. Keep patting your back you might be convinced that it was someone else’s hand patting your back. :)
Keep preening your feathers like peacocks, no one dies from trying to live out a fantasy. :)
i was making an observation. chip tsao and malou (fernandez?) both mocked OFWs and were heavily criticized.
i believe that some things ought NOT to be mocked. OFWs i believe fit the bill.
broadly, i believe good (humorous) satire has 2 components:
1) the object of the satire should be the powerful
2) if in mocking the powerful, you mock the week, then you must use exaggerated language to make clear that it is satire. Ex: a modest proposal by Swift has the irish eating their children. Clearly, this can’t be true.
the work of either chip or malou doesn’t fit the bill.
if this is the wisdom benign0 is referring too, thanks! But this is not a loser mentality; not to mention a pinoy loser mentality.
You did not read Chip Tsao as much as those criticizing him. I never got “mockery” for OFWs from Chip Tsao…only for the Society that has even its domestic helpers leaving for jobs abroad!
i was making an observation. chip tsao and malou (fernandez?) both mocked OFWs and were heavily criticized.
i believe that some things ought NOT to be mocked. OFWs i believe fit the bill.
broadly, i believe good (humorous) satire has 2 components:
1) the object of the satire should be the powerful
2) if in mocking the powerful, you mock the weak, then you must use exaggerated language to make clear that it is satire. Ex: a modest proposal by Swift has the irish eating their children. Clearly, this can’t be true.
the work of either chip or malou doesn’t fit the bill.
if this is the wisdom benign0 is referring too, thanks! But this is not a loser mentality; not to mention a pinoy loser mentality.
i think benigno have lost his competitive advantage. it means he is intellectually bankrupt. If i have to assess benigno’s capabilities, he sounds like a servant. :) heheheh
leytenian,
Benign0 admits that there is nothing wrong being called a servant and I agree with him. However, I am not in agreement with the way the Tsao’s rubbed in the term “nation of servants who should wag their tails to their master whom they depend so much for their bread and butter”.
jcc,
I understand where you and benigno are coming from but if you and me can pretend to be a practicing human rights lawyers, am sure we will make lots of money representing “servants”. It can be interpreted as discriminative to a certain group of people. The word servant has a minority connotation. A Satiric article is not an excuse for the modern day human rights violation. HK magazine has its own liability insurance. They will pay. I bet we will win ? how about 50/50? :)
comment din kayo sa blog ko kahit wala ako credentials. happy easter! :-)
“I can not understand why a blogger such as reyna elena who is the only Filipino in an agency who handles billions of funds for a state in the united states would be overwhelmed by an apology coming from MLQ3. i do not know why a blogger like reyna elena who once worked with an international media company, radio.”-The Cat
I believed the Cat. Having been once to Reyna Elena’s blog and reading his comments there as well as here in FV, and if you guys really have the time to review them again, you will see that his writings/comments are really priceless and literary international standard worthy of one who handles billions of dough.
Gems, actually ‘ocray-ocray’ quality, heheh.
i pity you Bert, for one pretending to be intellectual who can decipher Manolo’s hidden wit, you have no clue about blogging style. ano baaa! hahaah! walang ganyanan! hahaha that’s why you prefer to be anonymous. it’s cowardice style. hahaha o ayan na-okray na naman ang langaw hahaha leche!
sa totoo lang, Reyna, natutuwa ako sa iyo, wala namang personalan ang mga comments ko, ok ka naman.
nag react lang ako dahil hinamak ninyo itong FV na kung saan marami akong natututunang mga magagandang bagay.
wala naman sa akin maski ako hamakin ninyo rin.
@bert,
i am simply turning the tables around on FV as far as credentials are concerned. did you not read the previous thread dito sa FV questioning reyna on dabbling on politics? and with FV checking my credentials? i simply returned the favor by checking FV’s and you can check yourself kung ano ang laman nang mga credentials here?
now, what’s the problem with me NOW asking FV’s credentials? why all the alibis? dapat lang na naka pasta yun dun sa ABOUT page.
jcc, in case you haven’t noticed yet, I am in fact my biggest fan. I am flattered by pats I get on my back the most when it is MY OWN hand patting it. You know why? Because the person I respect the most in this world is ME. I am my own biggest critic and therefore work that I do that passes MY OWN standards is what I consider to be the best.
If more Pinoys had MY kind of attitude, we as a people wouldn’t really give a rat’s arse about what other people think and focus on achieving stuff FOR OURSELVES.
As the character of the venerable Sean Connery quipped in the movie The Roc:
Losers whine about doing their best.
Winners go home and fnck the Prom Queen.
Motivation that comes FROM WITHIN is what ultimately earns us the right to fnck the Prom Queen. :D
Benign0,
So you consider yourself a winner and had been screwing the prom queen hah?. And losers like us who felt offended by the article have to screw the wind?
Here is my own Sinko Nire: “Ang mahilig magbuhat ng sariling bangko ay iyong mga taong salat sa pansin”.
Benign0, Go hug your wife and your kids. They can also be your greatest fans except yourself. :)
Benign0,
So you consider yourself a winner and had been fncking the prom queen huh?. And losers like us who felt offended by the article have to fnck the wind?
Here is my own Sinko Nire: “Ang mahilig magbuhat ng sariling bangko ay iyong mga taong salat sa pansin”.
Benign0, Go hug your wife and your kids. They can also be your greatest fans aide from yourself. :)
Guilty. Pray, educate me, if this sentence is correct?
who have stayed in the United States (San Francisco, is it?).
You do not take up MBA to be a good literary writer? Did someone tell you that. Maraming literary writers, gutom eh dahil walang mabentang libro o novels.
Between a well-written blog which is read by only a few and the paukray-ukray blog which is read by thousands, I guess the most effective in imparting the message is the latter.
Do we need to write in literary form to make a comment? DUH.
Pakicheck ulit ang size ng brain.
“Between a well-written blog which is read by only a few and the paukray-ukray blog which is read by thousands, I guess the most effective in imparting the message is the latter.”-The Cat
Ah, ok, The Cat. Quantity, not the quality. Nothing wrong with that, if you say so.
Of course, as you well may know, there is a big difference between products made in UK and products made in China, and the difference is quality. That’s why the hordes of buyers flocks to Divisoria instead of Makati and that’s because Divisoria is where the ‘Made in China’ abound. That’s not to draw aspersion on the quality of the buyers as a person, but the point here is the fact that there are more buyers in Divisoria than in Makati. I’m not disparaging the writings of Reyna, but it’s you who’s comparing “between a well-written blog” and “okray blog”. So there.
“Do we need to write in literary form to make a comment? DUH.”
Well, certainly you can’t show your credential by writing gutter language, can you?
“Pakicheck ulit ang size ng brain.”
I can’t do that. I’ll leave it to you because you have the credential and the expertise. And while you are at it, check yours, too, heheh. (joke lang)
When a grandfather is accused by a favorite grandchild crying her eyes out for having been neglected by him, not been given gifts on her birthday, or not given her enough attention at the family gatherings, the grandfather usually apologizes profusely, calling himself all sorts of bad things, accepting her accusations with complete agreement and total contrition, even portraying himself as unworthy of having creased her beautiful and angelic face with cause for a frown. He may be the Supreme Court Chief Justice or President of the World, yet a such a Grandfather will apologize, insincerely if need be! — to assuage the angry, but eternally adorable child.
Was Manolo being insincere? Yes. Just like this hypothetical Grandfather.
DJB,
hahahaha!!!, I really like your resilience. But Manolo is about my son’s age, or BB, i think is older than Manolo and could be hardly be our grandfather. We should be the one placating Manolo and not vice versa. But I love the way you interpret Manolo’s frame of mind. Pahiram din nga ng iyong “bolang kristal” baka sakaling mabasa ko rin si Tsao! hahahahahah!!!
Kawawa naman si Chip Tsao. I honestly think he treats his Filipina maid a lot better and was indeed championing her cause in what he wrote. I catch a lot of people nowadays who obviously have never read a word of Chip Tsao. Not the article controverted today, nor his rather large body of work.
It has been prejudicial Lynch Mob behavior, probably trans-projected from the emotionally shattering anti-climax of the Nicole-No-Rape-After-All-Case to this “You-have-insulted the Pinoy Race”.
First the Americans RAPED all the Filipinas and Filipinos through a violation of their sovereignty.
Now, the Chinese are INSULTING their dignity for not being able to give their own atchoys and atchays a decent living and must rely on Hong Kong for it.
After all, when all is said and done, we must face the Truth that Chip Tsao exposes like Jose Rizal with biting sarcasm and sardonic wit–that Filipino domestic helpers actually have a better life, on average and overall, in Hong Kong as compared to their own homeland, which now presumes to become imperialistic.
This is probably what hurts the Lynch Mob Riders the most, at a psychological level. Chip Tsao accuses them of being the mere puppy dog of America, with a Bark far, far greater than their Bite.
It’s the same Lynch Mob that fought and foundered on the VFA-cum-rape issue though. Oh it hurtssss..
HK maids are better treated in HK because these are college graduates therefore will take more pay. local maids mostly are non-high school graduates. HK is way much richer than RP and therefore the disparity in pay is understadanble.
the better pay in HK has a trade off, that of being much father away from their families. while local maids can go home every weekend to their families.
that because you were treated good most of the time in HK, you have just to let go if you are abused sometimes and be subjected to ridicule because their compatriots back home had tried to lay their claim over Spratleys.
to reyna,
why doubt Manolo’s apology? is it because your state of mind at that time you wrote your recent blog was corrupted by others opinion?
If I have to go back to mlq3′s site, you already have accepted his apology. Blogging again due to Bert’s and DJB’s opinion may also reflect that your acceptance to his apology was never sincere in the first place? so who can be credible in this situation?
credibility of character is required in every credential/resume. :)
see response above to sparks…
obviously the “state of mind of a friend of MLQ3 – DJB” hold more wootah
So this comment of yours, what type of literary form is it? drama, poetry or prose fiction. Pardon my ignorance but we business major are not supposed to write in literary form. Imagine writing a certification of financial statements with lots with similes, metaphors and pun. so educate me.
for you to find out if the antonym of literary form is vulgar language, type the word in the Google search box, get your mouse, click search.
it may increase your brain by a quarter of an inch. I am not joking.
kuko sa kuko at pangil sa pangil! kumakain ng hayop ang kapwa hayop.
suggestion: why not blog your greatest acheivements, with proper supporting documents, and we will be your judge, kung sino talaga ang magaling!
they don’t have credentials roni. that’s proven. the ones they have are fake credentials, embellished education and missing experience, that’s why Bert is comfortable being “anonymous” and adventurero claims from “columbia” tomorrow, he’ll be from “wharton”. oh, adventurero is also anonymous
roni,
wala namang cannibal dito sa FV, naglalambingan lang kami nina The Cat at Ganda.
pero binigyan mo ako ng problema tungkol sa paghingi mo ng ‘supporting documents’, eh, ang credential ko nga ay ang mga uka sa aking mga talampakan, dahil nga sa kaa-akyat ko sa mga bundok sa Bicol na kung saan doon ako nabuhay ng mahusay. paano ba iyan?
wala naman akong ‘scanner’ dito.
“So this comment of yours, what type of literary form is it? drama, poetry or prose fiction. Pardon my ignorance but we business major are not supposed to write in literary form. Imagine writing a certification of financial statements with lots with similes, metaphors and pun. so educate me.”-The Cat
You have to understand The Cat that I’m not obssesed with looking for ‘credential. You are. So I write here what I want to write and read comments here oblivious of whatever forms they are, or whether they have credentials, who cares.
Pardon your ignorance? Oh no, nothing of the sort. I’m in awe of you. I guess I’ll have to believe that your Business Major qualifies you to do medicine practice as well, and I’m serious this time. Tell me, The Cat, have you determined the size of both our brains already? Oh pleeeease, don’t be bias with your medical reports, will you please?.
Precisely.
The size of the brain also affects the memory of an individual so I might as well point to you what you have written which triggered my reaction.
Do you know what the slash between writings and comments? It denotes “or” as in and/or as in teacher/educator.
Therefore when you say in literary form, you are also referring to comments. Is’nt that what you mean or you mean writings divided by comments or writings per comments?
Roni, bloggers who are reacting negatively to these “credential and credibility things” are those whose curriculum vitae and family backgrounds are in wikis. Their blogs are adorned with the blogging awards and citations and the entries are all about their speaking engagements, their attendance to EBs even they are only to promote never heard products and their children’s achievements.
Some people brag about their achievements under their anonymous persona.
It is just like bragging the whistle-bait figure under a burqa.
The Cat,
Honey, I’m backkk!
You folks are still at this thread eh? So you really think this credentials issue is that serious? FV is just one out of the millions in blogophere. Let’s moveon.org as it is getting toxic in here. I for one visit kamasutra blogs. Good for the body, I don’t know for the spirit. :)
BTW, Why are you and Queen Latifa bullying Bert? :) Like the fellow said, his main credential is his Gucci-shod feet. And Armani suits, Bally briefcase, etc.
Happy Easter.
Adventurero, ssshhh=)
CREDENTIALS is important – especially for feeling intellectual Filipino Voices bloggers and writers who had the audacity to check Reyna’s credentials. I took the challenge. Isang babaeng me bola-bola. Now, where are the bola-bola of FV writers???
NOTHING.
They’re all alibis.
So, Adventurero, your Columbia degree will be Wharton tomorrow??? Hahahaha
Queen BeeBee,
Nope, never liked Pennsylvania. There’s nothing comparable to New York City and nobody beats my Ivy League alma mater. :)
You’ve been to upper west at Cathedral Heights, near Harlem?
Adventurero:
I was not born yesterday as far as ranking of Ivy Legs. That’s not my issue so don’t make any diversion road. If you are from an Ivy Leauge then what would stop you from putting out your resume your credentials on FV blog? Put it out Adventurero, otherwise, I could also go ANONYMOUS and claim to have written blog entries that were published in the Journal of New England Medicine or Rocket Science. I am not intimidated by feeling intellectual bloggers NOT am I intimidated by IVY leauge grads esp pag anonymous! Hahahaha!
If you have it flaunt it. Put it on the ABOUT FV BLOGGERS page. I’m sure FV will be very happy to have a Columbia writer graduate. Who wouldn’t when all they have here are dimwit writers. They need you Adventurero. Ipaglaban mo at itayo ang pangalan nang FV dahil sa rumaragasang challenge nang reyna.
Easterly Credentialing Process :) Health is your only Wealth, a criteria.
Emotional Health is a hidden criteria. Healthy individuals have a great relationship with themselves. they recognize their best traits and know that they are of great value to themselves as well as to others and the online community they serve. But superficial measuring tools such as “the needs for academic credentials” coming from outside of themselves cannot sway their self-worth. In short, they are true to themselves, despite what they perceive other people may want for them. They know that no one can give them significant meaning simply by writing in a way that pleases another person to their own detriment.
emotional health = self worth = acceptance of people with or without credentials.
superficially, we can extend this discussion for another 10 days. :)
do I hear angels’ applause? :-)
@leytenian,
Ooppps leche! mali ang blockquote: THIS IS MY RESPONSE TO LEYTENIAN”
ALIBIs not accepted. You either have credentials or you don’t. And if you have it, what stops you from flaunting it?
Either these uber intellectual bloggers at FV put up or shut up.
ok reyna,
so you interpret it is as an alibi? The right to make bloggers at FV to shut up is at the discretion of the owner of the site. First of all, FV is not your direct competition of free blogging but actually a place that may enhance publicity of your site Or let’s see, FV may benefit from your contribution.
Look at the credentials of personalities in public office. The country has not benefited from their credentials.
It won’t matter if Benigno cannot write it like the experts ( for example). FV guests and commenters may provide counter arguments that might complete the true essence of a blog – to find the ” COMMON SENSE” among its readers. Without diversity , a blog cannot evolve.
If you need my credential, click on my bikini album, I have over 3000 comments there :) It can be admissible to the “superficial measuring tools”.
put it this way, it’s not your problem
Halleerrr! I don’t need FV’s fantasy intellectual wannabe’s na puro peke pala to enhance my site. Bago pa nabuhay ang FV, enhanced na ang reyna both on traffic, readership and followers. Kung me peke man saken, iisa lang at alam na nila yon. Except JCC who’s having some problems figuring out the “reyna elena” hahaha! Lecheee! Hahaha!
And so dapat gayahin nang FV when you already know it’s wrong? Anong klaseng logic to Leytenia? Eto ba ang ituturo naten to everybody and make it an SOP? Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! Very intellectual??? Hahaha!
Benigno can’t write and so are some of the writers here at FV whos got fake credentials, maybe we can stop discussing the dimwit benigno. I guess, am one with you people. I am so done with that dimwit. That should have been castrated on the FV list a long time ago.
BB,
I won’t castrate Benign0 for whatever perceived fault he could have had because that would be the end of “press freedom” as we know it. The moment we put a benchmark on who is allowed to write and to blog is the day that we blackened the horizon of “free speech” and put a chain in our neck back again.
Like commodities in free market, ideas should be allowed to rise and fall on their own merits or demerits. Let the winnowing be performed by the their own peers and by the readers at large. Press freedom is better abused than curtailed.
If you are one of the FV blogger/writers then what stops you to post it on the ABOUT chorva of Filipino Voices? As I have been saying, if you have it Leytenia, flaunt it.
Really?! It’s not my problem?! You’re a regular here. Impossibling na-miss mo ang entry here that started it all. Hahaha!
Is this responsibility Leytenia? When you already know that those credentials posted were fake, embellished education and missing experience to show to people/readers that FV bloggers and writers are credible? Hahaha! What do you want to happen? Let it go until such time that readers figure out na peke pala and there’s not a single truth? Baliw ka ba?! Hahaha
Sabi ko nga, alibi to leytenia. At marami pa kayong alibi na sasabihin sa napakasimpling tanong na kung iisipin ibinalik ko lang senyo.
patience is a virtue. The meaning of it is to tolerate delay. can you point out clearly which area of this site needs updating aside from the credentials of the bloggers? what is the foundation of quality and online reputation management?
on my god, for goodness sake: on personalities on public office, they have been running this country for years. You see the difference of TIME? it’s not even logic but where’s the common sense?
your interpretation of “wrong” is what causes you to ask for things that might be too impossible to implement “hora mismo”. You are becoming unreasonable. Give this site a chance to reflect and assess its weaknesses. It’s only a one year old site. It’s a baby.
flaunt it? for what? I’m not a blogger. I am a guest who make comments at my convenient time and at the comfort of my home and you are TELLING me to flaunt it? hell NO :) hahaha.
Sa hinaba-haba nang prusisyon, “I’m not a blogger ka lang pala” at ipag-sasaksakan mo pa ang isyu mo saken. You’re fighting a lost cause iha. Iba ang isyu na pinag-uusapan dito at hindi isyu mo. Kiver ko kung sino ka. Kulang ka ba sa pansin at pinipilit mong isaksak ang sarili mo ki Reyna? Hindi credentials dito ang pinag-uusapan dito. Kung gusto mong ibandera, feel free.
Ang pinag-uusapan dito credentials nang FV writers and bloggers. Getz mo na? O kelangan ko pa nang powerpoint presentation?
Pay me – I will become responsible :) you just don’t get it do you? this site is perfectly manageable. it has many characters. On Benignoism, he is not as bad as you think.. He is probably the smartest guy who irritates the hell out of me. He has received many insults from me and yet he returned it with a kiss. LOL
If it’s fake, blame it to the chinese :)
You’re dead wrong Leytenia. It was you who did not get it (and probably won’t git it) at ipagsaksakan ba ang sarili. Hindi credentials ni Leytenia ang pinag-uusapan dito. Naintindihan mo na? Mina-maligno ka na ba?
BB,
I was under the impression that you were a “high-calibre” and “high-credentialed” blogger/writer, but why do I get the impression na medyo “rough on the edges” ka? Sorry if I misinterpret your pesonality, but I am not closed minded, please feel free to educate me. heheheehe.
@jcc,
tanggalin mo na ang “under the impression” dahil I like honest people JCC, one thing though, wala akong ambisyong lumuhod seyo. i don’t have to educate you, hindi ko trabaho yon hahaha else, mahal ang charges ko. besides, what for JCC? feeling intellectual ka na, wez mo lang nga magetz yong iba hehehe
i speak so many languages that i speak Leytenia’s level para maintindihan and that’s how rough i could be – even rougher or rapper hehehe just to deliver some point
BB,
NO, never dreamed of anyone kneeling before me. That’s one respect that I can give only to my God and I never had the faintest idea that I am one and therefore cannot demand it from anyone. But you are a little bit unfair in the generalization that FV writers are uncredentialed while you are one. From my standpoint there are well-meaning writers and commenters here at FV that may not be up to your expectations but nonetheless can give their point of view with the same clarity and wisdom as yours. But it is unfortunate that there are also clowns. In your case, you were the only writer in your blog, others are “commenters”. FV has a retinue of writers of different persuasions and while some may be wanting in credentials, they give their opinions and weigh in on any subject based on their honest assessment of the issue at hand. Their lack of depth and probing analysis do not render their contribution worthless. Their being able to punch their keyboard to make a modest contribution in the blogsphere is symbolic exercise of their “God-given” and inalienable right of freedom of thought and expression”, and whatever be their shortcomings in their dissertaions, do not give me more discomfort than your requirement that they be “benchmarked” in terms of training and education before they be allowed to speak their minds out.
Don’t you know that the sweetest truth on earth is the one whispered by one innocent child?
@JCC,
No question, there are well-meaning writers at FV, some have wits more than others, others have wits too, they’re just dim, very, very dim.
When some of these anonymous FV writers started a slew of insults, what’s not fair about asking for their credentials? This is not freedom of speech, this is just simply turning back the tables on you people and some of these FV writers – what you got – one challenge presented to Reyna Elena.
If FV writers can do that to Reyna Elena, why is it such a problem that I now put the challenge on you people? So, where are your credentials? What the big difficulty why Filipino Voices can put it out there for the world to see? U telling me that you can task me about mine but I can’t task FV on theirs? Hahaha!
Modest contribution does not start by faking credentials, embellishing education and lack of experience and putting out so many alibis that this is not about credentials. Alibis after alibis:
This is not about credentials of commenters as Leytenian was pushing hers. Poor Leytenian. Pilit na sinasaksak sarili.
This is not about free speech as what caffeine sparks has written. You can even blog your mother in law JCC if you want.
This is about credentials of FV writers. If you’ve got it, flaunt it. And what’s wrong with that again? (repeat alibi’s)
Don’t you know that the sweetest truth on earth is that – some bloggers at FV would chastise you only to find out that they have fkd up credentials after all? And get this – not a single person at FV checks them, not even Nick.
I paid my dues JCC. Earning my first certificate as a kid, “Most Punctual” Dahil maagang nakikipag-agawan sa nutribuns Hehehe! My first credential.
not interested in your credential BB. I said what have you got, because it was you who were bringing up the matter about credentials. if someone else asked you about it here at FV before you flaunt it, that i profess no knowledge about…
but will it appease you now if we say that you are well-credentialed while most of us are not. here at FV we have a colorful language for it: “pissing competition”. i think we shall have no problem giving you the honor that among those who pisses the strongest you easily clinch the accolade. :)
@jcc,
am sure you will not like my credentials now that you all know it. whereas before, barriotic punk lang kasi ang alam nyo hahaha that’s why you don’t judge me, because i’m not a book hahaha
but get this JCC, if you’re a blogger at FV, zero credentials, pretending to be fighting for the majority, malaman laman ko from sources CLOSE TO YOU na there is somebody here, who wants ONE OFFICIAL to disappear daw, dahil nadale ang license to practice law. now, isnt’ that a useful information to the reader like me na kaya pala nag-bablog sa FV for personal battle? kilala mo sya JCC??? pwedeng pa-share para I could skip his entries? i still read FV dahil indi lahat dito bugok you know hahaha
so now, what is it again you’re telling me about WHY CAN’T FV WRITERS CAN’T SHOW THEIR CREDENTIALS???
Pissing contest?
Pissed that Reyna actually had real credentials compared to most FV bloggers who chasticed moi?!
BB,
we are clear on it already. we admit that we are nobody and you are somebody. and that you get a lot of traffic in your blog while FV, has zero traffic. that most writers her at FV are not as good as you are and not as bright as you are. would that mollify your “tililing outrage?”
about my case, you can read it because it is in my blog and i don’t hide it and had not intention to hide it.
no worries JCC, your personal battles are your personal battles, you see how it helps one reader understand “DA WRITER” when you have those info?
apologies for the dimwitted me hehehe i am beginning to like benigno hahaha
CORRECTION: hindi credentials MO (referring to Leytenia) dito ang pinag-uusapan dito.
Hi, jcc.
Off topic but here’s ‘news’ I’d like to share with you: Atty Alan Paguia has reportedly filed a motion for reconsideration on his long-standing suspension by SCORP, according to a most reliable source.
More details as I get them. Will prep a fully post.
Ding,
Thanks, but i will just wait until CJ Puno dies before I submit myself to the SC again. :)
Thought you’d say that, jcc. But the details make for interesting reading.
Ding,
Just for academic viewpoint, you can give me the link if any. Thanks. I think Allan should also start his own blog. :)
full post i meant, stupid fingers…