I would prefer to know the specifics and the context of the discussion so as to have clarity – and we are both on the same page.

candidly, I think Lozada WAS STUPID not to establish a paper trail that would prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. he put his life and his family in jeopardy WITHOUT considering the fact that he lacked the evidence.

I think JLo came out too premature. Lozada should have kept it to himself, kept on collecting the material evidence, and so that when it was time to sing – he can sing like a canary and throw eggs straight at Mike Defensor’s office – but that’s a big IF HE HAS IRREFUTABLE MATERIAL EVIDENCE.

if you say that what JLo did was fight for a better country; I am not sure about that – he could have kept mum if he closed the deal for himself; but he didn’t close the deal – so, his motivations are suspect. as far as I’m concerned. he is another Nicole in the making.

we are all “fighting” about making RP a better place (i think you agree, correct me if i am wrong).

also, benig’s original point is that lozada’s actions were, uhm, “weird”, to put it mildly, and that quiros was, uhm, ‘nuts’ to agree.

so, if you want to debate specifics, we can talk about quiros’ orig article.

we COULD, but i argue we don’t have to debate specifics.

we all want to fight to make the country a better place. lozada, did his thing, thanks to his being party to a particular transaction. we can all agree that lozada has sacrificed alot, dont you think? (when he could have easily just SHUT UP).

no one is asking for people to kill themselves (thats the false analogy put up by benign0 — lets not go there…).

But working to make a better country DOES IMPLY alot of EFFORT or SACRIFICE even, akin to fighting. do you agree?

perhaps, you should define what the fight is all about.

who am I fighting against?
who are the protagonists?
who are the antagonists?
what exactly is “IT” that I am fighting for?

if I can’t make a determination of what “IT” is exactly I am fighting for – then NO, I am not fighting.

it will be irresponsible to go into battle without knowing who my enemy is, what the terrain is, what resources are available to me, who are my allies. i will not deploy nor plan for deployment until I have an actionable “IT” to fight for.

If you say fighting in the sense of armed violent conflict resulting to bodily harm – f*ck NO. been there done that. NEVER AGAIN.

i’ll fight fire with fire if my FAMILY and MY LIFE were threatened by violence.

the status quo Philippines, in its current incarnation, is NOT WORTH risking life and limb for – mine and and that of my family

The vision of a kinder, gentler Philippines, with personally responsible citizens – that’s worth “fighting” for.

If you say fighting in the sense of armed violent conflict resulting to bodily harm – f*ck NO – the Philippines is NOT WORTH risking life and limb for – mine and and that of my family :)

been there done that. NEVER AGAIN.

also, i’m not sure how to argue against your “its all a conspiracy”, other than to say: how DOES one know if someone is brainwashed?

i don’t think i am. i’m not sure if i can prove it…

but i do think the notion of fighting for one’s principles is real.

do you NOT believe in standing up for one’s principles? i don’t think so.

PHILIPPINES IS WORTH A CHANGE!

Philippines is where we all came from!

Philippines is our sole identity no matter what!

Philippines is our lupang hinirang!

PHILIPPINES IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR regardless Filipinos cannot change!

Can we change PHilippines to something else that sounds very Filipino …. the name PHilippines is soooo westernize … they think Philippines are inhabited by white people because of the name that came from Phillip and they call the inhabitants as Flips for short ….

even if this is true, why does that make it less courageous?

if he had cooperated, he would have gotten some money.

if he didn’t cooperate, not only would he lose all of it, he would also guarantee a life where he would have to face legal conflicts, a reduced standard of living, etc…

GabbyD:

Let me qualify my answer.

I will fight for/advocate for/support that group of marginalized people who help themselves.

For that group of people who do not help themselves – I don’t have to fight for them – they can all go to hell wherever that is.

undoubtedly, lozada believes so (agree?). regardless of how stupid you think his decision is, or his past is, its clear that he feels strongly about it.

since you agree with BongV, we all agree that the philippines is worth fighting for, since we all do.

because the philippines is an idea and people, not just the government.

yes?

from your other reply, “fighting” means more than revolution.

then there IS a fight worth fighting eh?