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		<title>By: Swimming against the current of Pinoy nature &#124; Filipino Voices</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-10330</link>
		<dc:creator>Swimming against the current of Pinoy nature &#124; Filipino Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had quite a lot to say about Nick&#8217;s attempt to come up with a manifesto for Filipino Voices. The bottom line of all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-9882</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bencard, your critique was fair, and constructive.

As for others such as Angela&#039;s, where she simply wants us to cease from improving, or trying to think through the challenges, that is something that should not even be entertained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bencard, your critique was fair, and constructive.</p>
<p>As for others such as Angela&#8217;s, where she simply wants us to cease from improving, or trying to think through the challenges, that is something that should not even be entertained.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-9881</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bencard, I read the commentary, I apologize for not making my views on this known.

I have to say that although we don&#039;t go the way of politicos, I am also not trying to impose an old media type of confined commentary...

In any case, I understand what you are trying to say.

Furthermore, the answer I provided to Bim with regards to (number 2 and 3) her points made, I think is a clear indication of where I stand. 

And although in an ideal world, personal attacks would be out of the discussion altogether, it&#039;s hard to implement, only self regulation.

At this point, I can moderate when such arguments take place, but this is the only form of &quot;editorializing&quot; that I am willing to take.  I think moderating is the best solution at this point, so as to weed out the personal attacks from the actual meat of the comment..

But, in short, I still move for a free market of ideas, and if the bad and the ugly come into the trading, we must let it be, unless the market is at stake, of which I am certain, in the minor skirmishes of the day, it will survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bencard, I read the commentary, I apologize for not making my views on this known.</p>
<p>I have to say that although we don&#8217;t go the way of politicos, I am also not trying to impose an old media type of confined commentary&#8230;</p>
<p>In any case, I understand what you are trying to say.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the answer I provided to Bim with regards to (number 2 and 3) her points made, I think is a clear indication of where I stand. </p>
<p>And although in an ideal world, personal attacks would be out of the discussion altogether, it&#8217;s hard to implement, only self regulation.</p>
<p>At this point, I can moderate when such arguments take place, but this is the only form of &#8220;editorializing&#8221; that I am willing to take.  I think moderating is the best solution at this point, so as to weed out the personal attacks from the actual meat of the comment..</p>
<p>But, in short, I still move for a free market of ideas, and if the bad and the ugly come into the trading, we must let it be, unless the market is at stake, of which I am certain, in the minor skirmishes of the day, it will survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Bencard</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-9869</link>
		<dc:creator>Bencard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nick (&quot;enc&quot;), how come you are not addressing my posts @ 5:37 &amp; 8:57 (9/22)? are you ignoring them because you think what i raised was also a &quot;non-issue? i thought you are open to all views. i think whether you agree with them or not, it won&#039;t hurt if you state your position for all to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nick (&#8220;enc&#8221;), how come you are not addressing my posts @ 5:37 &amp; 8:57 (9/22)? are you ignoring them because you think what i raised was also a &#8220;non-issue? i thought you are open to all views. i think whether you agree with them or not, it won&#8217;t hurt if you state your position for all to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-9859</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cvj, yes, in fact, I believe that was the only constructive criticism I could find.

I was disappointed with her reply, and i believe, that this is why it is very difficult for such initiatives such as ours to flourish in an environment where we are constantly bombarded with naysayers, and those who say we can&#039;t make a difference.

I ask.. Strive to make a difference or remain stagnant because people believe we can&#039;t?

I say strive.

She comments,

&lt;blockquote&gt;fv’s goals are just a tad lofty. scrap the manifesto. forget about making a difference or influencing the national discourse or doing better than mainstream media or climbing mountains a la martinlutherking&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the most defeatist statement I&#039;ve come across in a long while.

In my opinion, a collaboration of new media with old media is the best road to take..

The suggestion by teo, and not Angela&#039;s, is fair, and actually very good.  I have already been on the works for such a thought, although the implementation will still be collaborative, most likely through a wiki based application.  This isn&#039;t new actually, Benign0 actually brought it up a few months ago.  I will bring it up in our next update, and will continue working on it..  Hopefully will be finished in the weeks to come.. as for now, I will volunteer to do such a summary.

I have said my peace, I will no longer comment on this non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cvj, yes, in fact, I believe that was the only constructive criticism I could find.</p>
<p>I was disappointed with her reply, and i believe, that this is why it is very difficult for such initiatives such as ours to flourish in an environment where we are constantly bombarded with naysayers, and those who say we can&#8217;t make a difference.</p>
<p>I ask.. Strive to make a difference or remain stagnant because people believe we can&#8217;t?</p>
<p>I say strive.</p>
<p>She comments,</p>
<blockquote><p>fv’s goals are just a tad lofty. scrap the manifesto. forget about making a difference or influencing the national discourse or doing better than mainstream media or climbing mountains a la martinlutherking</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the most defeatist statement I&#8217;ve come across in a long while.</p>
<p>In my opinion, a collaboration of new media with old media is the best road to take..</p>
<p>The suggestion by teo, and not Angela&#8217;s, is fair, and actually very good.  I have already been on the works for such a thought, although the implementation will still be collaborative, most likely through a wiki based application.  This isn&#8217;t new actually, Benign0 actually brought it up a few months ago.  I will bring it up in our next update, and will continue working on it..  Hopefully will be finished in the weeks to come.. as for now, I will volunteer to do such a summary.</p>
<p>I have said my peace, I will no longer comment on this non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-9854</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, i think commenter Teo&#039;s idea (over at Angela&#039;s blog) of an editorial summation of sorts is a good one.  Since our discussion of issues comes in bursts according to the topic of the day, perhaps you can have an entry that summarizes the issues discussed when the heat on a particular topic subsides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, i think commenter Teo&#8217;s idea (over at Angela&#8217;s blog) of an editorial summation of sorts is a good one.  Since our discussion of issues comes in bursts according to the topic of the day, perhaps you can have an entry that summarizes the issues discussed when the heat on a particular topic subsides.</p>
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		<title>By: of intellectual doldrums &#38; filipino voices</title>
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		<dc:creator>of intellectual doldrums &#38; filipino voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a recent manifesto (better late than never?) founder Nick cites James Surowiecki&#8217;s &#8220;Wisdom of the Crowds&#8221; to justify fv&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-9481</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bimbim, thank you for the great suggestions!  I really do appreciate it.

Yes, I know it&#039;s long... I myself, almost fell asleep reading my own work.  It is the first draft, and I only released it so that I could get input from everyone.

Yes, equity would be a more apt term for this.  Because balance would mean, for example, that there is a 50% divide between those who are for or against the RH bill, which is not the case.

Yes, I believe number 2 is enshrined within the manifesto itself.  Where the idea is king, and the analysis will always be the main focus.

And with regards to Filipino language, actually, Flowell one of our writers will be writing in the Filipino language, which i thoroughly encourage.

As to number 6. no, of course not.  A few of our writers who are passionate about these issues, such as Schumey, have been unavailable for the moment.. but already we are in the process of bringing a few more in the fold, because these issues are very much important.

Again.. your input is great.. I appreciate it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bimbim, thank you for the great suggestions!  I really do appreciate it.</p>
<p>Yes, I know it&#8217;s long&#8230; I myself, almost fell asleep reading my own work.  It is the first draft, and I only released it so that I could get input from everyone.</p>
<p>Yes, equity would be a more apt term for this.  Because balance would mean, for example, that there is a 50% divide between those who are for or against the RH bill, which is not the case.</p>
<p>Yes, I believe number 2 is enshrined within the manifesto itself.  Where the idea is king, and the analysis will always be the main focus.</p>
<p>And with regards to Filipino language, actually, Flowell one of our writers will be writing in the Filipino language, which i thoroughly encourage.</p>
<p>As to number 6. no, of course not.  A few of our writers who are passionate about these issues, such as Schumey, have been unavailable for the moment.. but already we are in the process of bringing a few more in the fold, because these issues are very much important.</p>
<p>Again.. your input is great.. I appreciate it..</p>
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		<title>By: bimbim</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/filipino-voices-manifesto/comment-page-1#comment-9408</link>
		<dc:creator>bimbim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Some suggestions:

1. In most instances, keep it short and sweet.

2. It is never about the author. Its always about the idea. If you believe the reverse, you&#039;re just endlessly massaging egos of your writers.

3. There is no such thing as &quot;balance&quot; or &quot;equality&quot; -- and so we must strive for the more real concept of equity.

4. How about writing on issues from a national and democratic viewpoint in contraposition to the colonial and elitist viewpoint that dominate all media?

5. How would FV handle the use of Filipino language(s)?

6. Will FV prioritize issues of the middle class and relegate issues of workers, farmers, the national minorities, and sexual minorities?

That&#039;s it -- and it is obvious that the paper is too looooong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Some suggestions:</p>
<p>1. In most instances, keep it short and sweet.</p>
<p>2. It is never about the author. Its always about the idea. If you believe the reverse, you&#8217;re just endlessly massaging egos of your writers.</p>
<p>3. There is no such thing as &#8220;balance&#8221; or &#8220;equality&#8221; &#8212; and so we must strive for the more real concept of equity.</p>
<p>4. How about writing on issues from a national and democratic viewpoint in contraposition to the colonial and elitist viewpoint that dominate all media?</p>
<p>5. How would FV handle the use of Filipino language(s)?</p>
<p>6. Will FV prioritize issues of the middle class and relegate issues of workers, farmers, the national minorities, and sexual minorities?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it &#8212; and it is obvious that the paper is too looooong.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s typical elitist mindset for you.</description>
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