It’s only a few more months before Gloriath steps down. And her hordes are starting to populate the public sphere with their versions of her legacy. Quite startling, these hordes are sounding like off-keyed vinyl records, parroting Gary Olivar or that busty spokesperson who regales us with her bosom more than her logic.
And quite surprising even, these people say that History would look kindly on Mrs. Arroyo, telling us that there was nothing to prate about Hello Garci nor there was nothing irregular about ZTE-NBN. That those tons of evidence, those tapes which cause not just an arm and a leg but rather destroyed the very lives of its victims, are nothing but hearsay and opposition prank. That FPJ lost that election fair and square to Gloria is that version of History that historiographers will write about 2004.
And how about those photos with Mrs. Arroyo and the First Gentleman sharing some rounds of golf with ZTE officials? For these hordes, they are but regular incidence, a part of official visits, of the regular functions of the Head of State. History would be kind to Gloria, as those palace appointed stenographers and historiographers would want us to believe. That the people will appreciate the prosperity, the number of houses made for the poor or those roads and bridges and superhighways constructed during her reign. That we would look ever so kindly with Mrs. Arroyo, she who destroyed almost all of our political institutions and scarred our hearts and minds forever with that policy of Executive Supremacy.
Revising History is the greatest sin. There is no doubt that historians would mark Gloria’s reign as the darkest era ever in the story of the Filipino People. That people got killed during her reign, particularly those who had the courage to speak out their minds. That people became poorer during her administration. That billions were stolen from public coffers during her stay in power and that immorality in public service was the unwritten rule instead of the exception.
Deconstructing reality is Mrs. Arroyo’s escape strategy. That it would fail seems so certain. By the way, I’ll be behind Prof. Randy David should he run against Gloria. These little davids will prove someday that they have the power to unleash against a diminutive devil and her hordes.
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How ridiculous. History hasn’t even been written yet. How can it be revised??? History is certainly not history unless one has the primary documents which substatiate a certain historical perspective. History briefly acknoledges conspiracy theories…but records tha facts as they can be demonstrated to be accurate.
Pat — your version of “history” is anything but.
Meanwhile, you don’t have to be pro-Gloria to be able to see that there are many accusations without nary a shred of tangible, credible, substantiated evidence.
Just why do you think we don’t join the protests????
At the same time, you don’t have to be anti-GMA to have doubts about politicians, to want the utmost vigilance of those in power and to demand that everyone plays by the rule. You don’t have to be anti-GMA to suspect that, indeed, corruption continued to thrive during her tenure. And you don’t have to be anti-GMA to agree that she should be jailed if found to have plundered.
You don’t have to be pro- or anti-GMA to have the knowledge that sticking to the rules is the best way forward for a civilized society.
Making false accusations (especially when they are known to be false) is a sin. Pretending that they constitute “history” is a joke.
Reality, good to be arguing with you again.
National leaders should be stainless. They need to represent the Philippines as an equal among the unstained heads of most modern nations. The standard is higher than for the common man, although many corporations also will not hire stained people. The stains about Ms. Arroy are so pronounced, highlighted by the Nation’s poor worldwide ranking on corruption, that nothing can be done to resurrect her image save angels alighting on earth to bless her. It doesn’t require a courtroom burden of proof.
You can repeat until you are blue in the face that “Anti-Arroyo” is not the kind of issues campaign “we” would like to see, but it is the kind of argument that wins votes in a superficial, wowowee, reality show society. That is why being unstained is important. Stains show up on television.
I also am awaiting the candidates’ issues statements so I can sort out the wheat from the barley and the barley from the ragweed. I have already ruled out certain candidates because of stains . . . In my opinion, the Philippines needs clean . . . to feel fresher . . . to look brighter . . .
Joe
Joe,
Always a pleasure.
I just read this:
“National leaders should be stainless.”
and had to stop and write this — Name one, Joe.
I got one! Gandhi.
Name another…..
Reality,
Being human comes with the territory. My perspective is US. There are always quotes that go awry, or past associations that come back to haunt (Obama), or votes that went the wrong way in the sight of those looking back (Iraq invasion). Candidates have to fight that all the way. But that is different than associations with wrong behavior. That is stained.
Joe
OK, Joe. I can live with your differentiation of types of stain.
The problem is that all of those accusations might not “require a courtroom burden of proof”, but they should require an IOTA of proof, no?
But I can also accept your view that GMA’s image can not be reseurrected. So if you see her stained, and you don’t need proof but just unsubstantiated accusations, so be it.
Just realize that the day may come when the rumours point a finger at you, facts be damned. You might have a different perspective about how capriciously stains can be assigned.
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Anyway, the thrust of my original post is that the present cannot be written/claimed as “history” yet. Historians, in the future, will go by the facts that have survived the tests of time and disclosure.
There is no history of the present and thus there can be no “revision” of it.
There can be competing contemporary views, though. And the best method to test the validity of these views is by debate…focused on the verifiable facts on hand.
Perceptions, though, are hard to change…I agree…regardless of the underlying realities. Perception is reality…but it could easily be false. Hence the drive by professionals (in varied fields) to withold judgement and to focus on discovering real knowledge.
joe america, there you are again. by your concept of “stain” what politician worth his salt has not been stained, one way or the other? obama might have won but the “stain” of chicago politics and questions about his radical connections will be with him till he dies. even the father of america, george washington, could not escape being stained during and after his presidency.
can you name one politician living or dead, just one, either in philipines or u.s., who is (was) without stain in the context of your understanding of the word?
Ben,
There is a difference between stains that someone lays on a person (Obama) because they don’t like his politics and principles, and a stain that exists because of knowingly and repeatedly doing wrong.
You seem to be saying the whole world is stained, so what is the problem with electing a crook, a thief, a liar, a betrayer of public trust.
Bankrupt values, Ben.
Joe
and who is it that you are referring to as “knowingly and repeatedly doing wrong”, huh joe? how do you know that, watching abs-cbn or reading the inquirer, or listening to a two-bit senator making wild accusations? has anything been proven as fact?
staining a person’s name is inherent in politics, anytime, anyplace, anywhere.
You line up with Reality Check and say “show me the facts.” The facts are out on the streets pumping tricycles, in the rice paddies, on the seas, struggling to earn 200 pesos a day, while economists peg the share of government expenditures going to illicit pockets at about one-fourth. The big FACT is that the elite are getting rich while the masses have no rice, no teeth, no education, no hope.
And you defend this status quo, a standard of low standards that says a possible murderer, a possible thief of government money, are okay on the ballot for President.
Bankrupt values, Ben. Low standards. No honor No compassion.
Joe
it’s funny you didn’t include typhoon feria, the sun and moon in the sky, the sulpicio disaster, in your litany of “facts”. you are arguing about “possibilities”? i think you can do better than that, mr. america.
Joe,
I pray that, though you mentioned my name, you don’t think that I believe in the status quo or any of the other junk you wrote. As you know, I am an advocate of eroding the economic and political dominance of the elite.
Strange that one of your criticisms is my desire to uncover facts and to seperate them from BS. Especially when it is the elites which often create the rumors and myths in order to manipulate a situation.
BTW, thanks for pointing out the reality of tricycles, rice paddies and poverty. Who knew?
what? History is not yet written? Wow. Where did you get that?
History of the present, Pat. The “present” is the generational events of a generation…typically identified as a period of ~25~40 years.
I think you know what I mean. Contemporary events, simply by definition alone, cannot be “historical”.
there you go again, patricio. writing something way above your head. there is a big difference between “history” and “legend”. true history is based on facts. legends are essentially word-of-mouth speculations and/or unverified claims. the non-events you mentioned are not “history” but a record of failures, one after the other.
way above my head, bencard? you make me laugh like before.
History follows subjective views, not necessarily facts. For example, you just don’t view facts as history. Read more, Bencard. I don’t want to spend much time explaining myself here if you don’t get what I’m saying.
And why do you discuss legends and myths? where did you get that? is it a myth that Gloria went to China to talk to ZTE officials? Is it a myth that Gloria called Garcillano over the phone shortly after the votes were being reviewed? How the hell did you got your law diploma? From myth?
Wow. Bencard. I pity you.
it’s also not a myth that you went to the toilet the loast 3 days to lay something not fragrant, is it?
Realitycheck the true defender of the faith! Sabi ko na nga ba at lalabas din ang tunay na kulay mo.
Patricio,
Give realitycheck a chance to write his own version of history daw, Oh boy that’s the fairy tale I am looking forward to reading!
MB,
You are being a bit childish, no?
It takes a generation or so for enough “distance” to be created in order to write the “history” of an event, person or era. That’s wisely accepted as a rule of thumb. Contemporary critiques are only reference material.
I haven’t tried to claim that I can write the history of the present. So why imply that I might and that it would be a fairy tale? Or that I would defend some “faith”?
What’s the matter with you?
Do you have a point to make? An intellectual contribution to the discussion?
Realitycheck,
And you call your Palace talking-points based propaganda an intellectual contribution.
I am sorry I said you were a defender of the faith. You are a defender of the filth of the 2004 elections, the filth of ZTE NBN, the filth of the frogs.
“It takes a generation or so for enough “distance” to be created in order to write the “history” of an event, person or era. That’s wisely accepted as a rule of thumb. Contemporary critiques are only reference material.”
And what, still up to your old tricks?
If we wait for a generation to pass then there will not be any eyewitnesses left. All we will have are documents, from the perpetrators themselves. Now that’s what I call distance. And that’s the rule of thumb you want us to accept.
Bistado ka na boy!
MB,
So now you are singlehandedly redefining the academic field of history. Good for you. Seems whatever you want to claim must be “the truth” just because you say so.
“Bistado ka na boy”, you write. You still equate not being anti-GMA with being pro-GMA. This is a childish, or psychotic, stance. It implies that you are simply a propagandist for the anti-GMA camp who viciously rejects any views which don’t comply with your views…regardless of facts on the ground.
This is borderline fascism.
Again, this is one reason why so many non anti-GMA people completely reject the anti-GMA types…or at least reject joining them.
But you don’t see that, do you? You think the entire country does, or should, share your perspective. If they don’t, they are ignorant and evil, right?
realitycheck is actually living in a totally different world…a parallel world…out of the rules of quantum physics…a perfect world…a mythical one…created out of thin air by Madame herself.
Patricio,
That is a very funny perspective on RealityCheck. But you have to admire his dedication to building a parallel universe, replacing facts with smoke and arguments with challenges. I like the guy, myself. I think it is more likely that he is a lobbyist for overseas interests, and is close to the administration because it is his meal ticket. But he makes the dialogue interesting, if occasionally maddening as hell. No use just talking to ourselves . . .
Joe
Joe,
Wow. Out of the blue…..
I was just warming to you and you write that I am “building a parallel universe, replacing facts with smoke and arguments with challenges”.
Please demonstrate where I replaced facts with smoke.
I find your words insulting because my basic advocacy is to drill down through the muck to get the facts…and then to build solidly and realistically on a firm bedrock (rather than having everyone running around squawking incoherently while tearing each other and everything down).
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“I think he is a lobbyist for overseas interests, and is close to the administration because it is his meal ticket.”
What a load of cr*p! Joe, that is certainly the stupidest thing you have ever written in here. You keep trying to take wild stabs ID’ing me and I am offended by your repeated accusations, which I have repeatedly denied.
I am not a GMA hack nor anyone’s hack. I do not make money from any politician, party, party backer or anyone related to politics. I do not work for overseas firms who want to lobby here for x, y or z. I actually benefit from having partially closed borders, but I think it’s best to open them fully…against my personal interests.
I’m insulted, Joe. Just deal with my words and stop trying to psychoanalyze me or pigeonhole me. The paralell universe you are trying to define doesn’t exist.
Reality,
I have good days and bad, and praise you for your consistency.
I do fear, however, that something even stupider is always lurking there, in the dark patch of my brain.
Regards . . .
Joe
Today and the day of the election is still a long way. Things can
still happen. We have to be vigilant still, until she gets out from
office.
She may be playing dead, to survive politically. Remember the trick
of the opposum?
Dont write your History. It is still a long way. And it may be a
very bumpy ride for all of us.
Hyden Toro,
It has been bumpy and will continue to be bumpy for as long as we stay on the road to perdition
Not just a revisionist but continuing in authority following 2010 is overly selfish, similar to a dictatorship.
I have 500 pesos here too to contribute for Randy David’s campaign.
My sister and brother-in-law would also like to know where to send their contribution just in case matuloy ang labanang David at Gloriath.
lets just form the David’s Army. But, I think Prof. David is just actually telling us to just be like Davids and fight the Goliaths of our times.
Realitycheck,
A pro-GMA person is someone who would say something like this – “The problem is that all of those accusations might not “require a courtroom burden of proof”, but they should require an IOTA of proof, no?”
So I guess I’m supposed to believe that all those scandals, from IMPSA which happened barely a week into GMA’s first term all the way to Garci, Jocjoc, ZTE, the envelops in Malacanan, the kidnapping of Lozadaetc.etc. were invented by a shadowy group called GMA-haters.
The Garci tapes, the videos of congressmen leaving Malacanan with doggue bafs of cash, the admission of several congressmen that they indeed got money, the admission by that congresswoman that she paid out money while in Malacanan, the testimonies of generals, jueteng bagmen, Neri, fertilizer suppliers, the gagging of Neri and everyone in the adm. through the famous executive order etc etc etc. do not add up to an IOTA of proof, no?
That’s the position of someone who is fanatically pro-GMA.
A pro-GMA person is someone who defends GMA by denying that she lies, cheats, and steals. A pro-GMA person is someone who defends GMA’s refusal to answer the charges against her. He will say if you have evidence bring it to court even though he knows that a president cannot be brought to court.
A pro-GMA person is someone who is pro-active abaout putting out the fires around GMA.
A pro GMA person is you. Someone who defenda the filth of the present dispensation, someone who asks “what cesspool are you talking about?”
I am anti-GMA because I am against graft and corruption.
Why are you pro-GMA?
patricio, your “history” is the history of the embarrassments and shameful failures of the “hate-gloria” groups, which include you, to bring her down. events that are fueled by speculations, conjectures, haka-haka, and political posturings, may become footnotes of history and only remembered for the fact that there had been such things. for the most part, real history are based on facts, not figments of imagination as are usually fabricated by pseudo-historians.
I pity the know-it-all immigrant who is ignored in his adopted country and, at the same time, has no business getting involved in the affairs of the country he left behind. He is neither here nor there.
He is seen as an alien despite having lived there for decades. He tries to blend in but he sticks out like a sore thumb. It must be the way he massacres idiomatic expressions.
And his former countrymen dismiss his inputs because who wants to listen to someone who gave up on them.
He can’t make a difference in either place and he believes he has so much to contribute pa naman. It must be frustrating for him. It’s pathetic to those who see his predicament.
But I sympathize. I can’t make a difference either.
But, at least, I have a right to rant and rave. I live and work here. I invested my life here. I have vested interests, just like anyone who lives here, rich or poor. I am not a loud-mouth miron who can walk away whenever I feel like.
Focus on your adopted country. We can manage without you.
i’m not the issue here, buencamino. stick to the topic raised by this kakamamie blogpost which is nothing more than a take off from your last one. you people think alike, that’s why you have eggs on your faces again and again. if you are bankrupt of reasons, just quit and run while the running is good, but don’t keep redirecting the course of discussions when you are stomped by a lack of sensible argument. “massacre idiomatic expressions”? cite one. i don’t make a living as a “journalist” but i think i can hold my own in written or spoken english. if the best you can do is deride my reference to “two beans of the same pod”, i suggest you switch your occupation. you don’t cut it as a “writer”, let alone a journalist. btw, i am a dual citizen and i have landholdings and real estate properties and other investments in the philippines, and i voted in 2007 elections.
Manuel,
Your view reminds me of Randy David’s, which I would term “neo-nationalist”. My views as an American living in the Philippines are not allowed because I am a guest here. Ben’s views are not allowed because he left the Philippines to create a good life for his family. So the only people worth listening to are people who are, essentially, another you.
I guess that is the reason the Philippine Constitution has that provision in it: “Dual allegiance is inimitable to the National Interest.” The National Interest is closed-minded and insecure, and considers people who think differently, or have a life built on some pattern of moving about our shrinking planet, a threat.
Joe
like your diploma? is it part of History or history itself? get my drift?
pseudo-historians? where did you get that? do you have something to prove or something or some facts to buttress your pseudo or real historians? who are historians anyway, ha, Bencard? do you know?
you don’t even know how to interpret what I wrote here. pity that your legal background is no match to the simple logic of observers of History?
or are you saying that your diploma is part of footnotes or of Historiography? Sige nga, Mr. Bencard. Tell me the distinction.
make your point coherent first and i’ll gladly answer your questions. unintelligible utterances are a mark of a badly-muddled brain.
This is so typical.
Systems that are closed to external input may remain dynamic and even chaotic internally but possess surfaces that are inert and featureless to entities that regard it from the outside.
A cadaver is kind of like that — gray and lifeless on the outside, but teeming with a multitude of decomposition processes on the inside. :D
Joe America,
I differ from the neo nationalist. I think anyone who lives here has a right to comment on the conditions here. To me It’s not a question of citizenship.
If this is your home then of course you have a right,
ManuelB,
Thanks, I appreciate the welcome. You know, I argue with Bencard like crazy, but his views are on occasion informative, and they are always provocative (a good thing). I also feel that the Philippines is negligent by creating the circumstance whereby people go overseas to create a good life for their family, then they are shunned by those who are, ummmm, stuck at home, or dedicated to the homeland, or choose a different path. Bencard has to re-apply for his Philippine citizenship to be recognized when he return. I think that is wrong. The Philippines should “own up” to it’s own — those born here. And welcome them when they return.
Joe
Joe,
I agree, And as a matter of fact the country passed a law allowing them dual citizenship. Although I have some reservations about the whole idea of a dual citizenship because it implies dual allegiance. But that’s another topic.
Like I said my beef about Bencard and Benigno has nothing to do with citizenship. It’s just think what happens here is none of their business because they don’t live here. It’s like your children who have moved out of your house writing you letters and calling you and telling you how you should run your house. Won’t your reaction to them be thanks but don’t worry about my life take care of your own life?
To some degree, they were economically and opportunity wise “thrown out of the house.” So certainly, they would not be allowed to run the household. The issue is how to welcome them back into the house when they are 85 and maybe treading on the edge of senility. And can bring their riches back with them, for our pleasure. So maybe harmony is in order in the meanwhile, though it is occasionally painful. :)
Keep up the good work. I appreciate your views.
Joe
Joe
ManuelB,
Maybe we ought to petition or probably ask Congress to review the law on dual citizenship. Some Filipinos, the likes of Bencard, seem to have this propensity to assume things without seeing and understanding without using their brains. I pity them. Since they’re not here, what they say they believe when it’s all make believe.
Tsk,tsk,tsk.
Joe:
I disagree about being “thrown out of the house”, rather, they went out there because of any of the following reasons:
1) there isn’t enough for all the mouths to feed in the house (mainly due to the freeloading relatives that make up a super extended household of four generations); so, the breadwinner goes overseas to feed the residents in the house. and because he is no longer in the house, he has no right to complain despite the fact that he is feeding their mouths? you have gotta be kidding me :lol:
2) there is no privacy in the house – there’s just too many people minding other people’s businesses as a way of coping for the fact that they don’t have a life. just go away.. oh wait.. they will return just the same.. lemme go elsewhere where I can’t see them, and they can’t see me either – good riddance.
3) have had enough of the drama of the ibong adarna – like Eddie Murphy having had enough of the maids and atsoys in “Coming to America”, nice to have achay and achay, but it gets tired when they keep on snitching about your erotic escapades so they can keep their jobs (unless they wanna get in bed with you, too.. take the pill – tira-maid :lol:)
4) world-class talent seeks bigger challenges and rewards commensurate to such talent – big fish in small pond seeks bigger pond. why begrudge top-performers for peak performance? reminds me of one LGU agency that raised the bar – all other LGU agencies literally hated the former because now they have to perform, too; they now have to dress well, treat customers well, refrain from dealing with fixers; doing the right thing has suddenly become extraordinary – WTF? well, the staff of the former LGU agency were headhunted and their talent is now overseas :lol:
or it can be a combination of (1) only; (2), (3), and (4) only. or for some any or all of the above
bongv, maybe joe america was “thrown out of the house” – the big one – and now is trying to “teach” his new host how to manage itself.
patricio, you really talk big, don’t you? just try disenfranchising or muzzling the overseas filipinos (assuming you can) and you would be living in the gubat for all time.
Bencard,
And you had the gall to vote, to choose who would run things in a place you don’t even live in. You participated in a process that does not concern you. Here’s a guy who left his homeland in search of a better life elsewhere and he votes on who will run the country he abandoned. He doesn’t have to live with the consequences of his vote because he is a bi-citizen.
he votes so that others need not leave. and he is living abroad precisely because of the consequences of choices that not only HE made, but OTHERS made as well.
patriotism is not a monopoly of the homeland pinoys. count the number of filipinos in the homeland who keep on voting for idiots – are they more patriotic?
it’s not about citizenship or patriotism. It’s someone who doesn’t live in your house telling you how you should run your household
i don’t think household is the appropriate metaphor.
he does not live in your household.
he has his own household.
but you both live in the same neighborhood.
one neighbor’s actions decreases the value of one real’s estate because one neighbor does not take care of his property; or has a gambling den; or is a whorehouse; or is a drug den –
don’t you think you will be raising hell?
apparently, the guy is a like a squatter who couldn’t care less about property values in his neighborhood.
so what buencamino? it’s both my legal and birth right to vote and be a filipino. tell your complaint about that to the hundreds of thousand overseas filipinos who retain their citizenship, substantially contribute to the nation’s economy, and participate in electing its officials. what good are you except to bellyache and obstruct the government from doing its job with your abusive, sensational and hate-filled “journalism” kuno. then again, this is not the issue here, as you are still too dull to comprehend. read the post again and stick to it, punk.
Bencard, when you decide to come home your inputs will be welcome. In the meantime, contribute to your adopted country. It needs a lot of fixing and a brilliant lawyer like you might have something to give them, that is if they accept you.
Can’t you find anything there so you don’t obsess over how we live? Live here and get involved here. Join the fray in the arena not from the peanut gallery.
sorry, but i don’t take advice from a rabid partisan as to how i should exercise my political rights and where i want to live. i’m also a registered republican here in u.s. and i express my political opinion in more ways other than vote. again, my personal circumstances are not the issue here. go back to the topic or i will register a protest with the FV collective. please check the rules.
Benigno,
Do the Aussies ignore you?
But of course Bencard wanted Queen Gloria to remain queen til kingdom come so they could loot some more and expand the apartment buildings in San Fransisco and New York…hahaha
Hi tranquil, just a side info.
The Sanfo assets have been liquidated for other asset purchases elsewhere.
Hey RealityCheck, Manuel B has a question for you. Why are you not answering?
you are like a blind man in a horse race. jumping and clapping without knowing which horse is winning.
Realitycheck checkmated by MB..
goes pffft..tails between legs..
consults Lorelie Fajardo and Golez on how to make a spin..
hahaha..
better consult Ronaldo Puno, the master spinster..
BTW, tranquil…just what do YOU offer that has some intellectual value? Do you have a point to make about the socio-political environment?
I don’t need to consult anyone, so go ahead and “talk” to me about the concept of rewriting history before it is written…I’ll share my unadulterated thoughts with you.
Or go to the “It’s the Who” thread. Maybe you can help MB find some solid ground to stand on.
hay naku, realitycheck, please read the post. It uses the verb “would” meaning, in the future tense, okey? It says how would…
on written history…if you read your philosophy of History, stories are being written almost everyday, especially here, in Filipinovoices and in some other blog. Historical entries are narratives. History is mostly subjective narratives. What is most unique is simply that Historians choose which events they think are relevant and follows the “end of History” which is different in every society. For example, in our case, it’s nation-building (Prof. Veneracion of UP). To others, Prof. Agoncillo for example, the end of Philippine history is the attainment of a just and humane Philippine society.
so you see, what the post is all about is a piece exposing the attempts of this administration to re-create or re-imagine History as it unfolds. Don’t tell me of this bullshit rule of 20,30, 40 or 50 years. That’s the American system in historiography which is simply not the case here.
so realitycheck and bencard, please, please read up. we, manuelb and all the rest here, simply don’t have enough time to lecture you about these things because you did attend your history classes, right? we presumed that you learned at least something from those classes, right? so, please, I know both are old already and you probably forgot those lessons. Read up. Buy yourself some books on History. then go back here and debate, especially you Bencard. You’re really messing things up for Gloria. Your defenses are simply too simplistic. And too elementary. Even crooked at some point. But, I understand you Bencard. It’s really very hard if you lose those apartments of hers there. Don’t you worry. When Gloria leaves for an exile very soon, I’ll make sure that the new government still retains your services as apartment administrator.
i’m lost – what is there to recreate or re-imagine if it is yet in the process of being created.
isn’t it more appropriate to say that history is being created at the moment, and contemporary political forces are out to put their stamp on the moment?
see how the mind that wrote this blogpost and the above comment works? he talks about history being “subjective”". then how can there be a “revisionist history”? he defines history as essentially nothing more than a spin by the “historian”. so, following his line of thinking, everybody that can put words together into a coherent sentence can write his own history. where then does “revision” comes in? apparently, for this guy, history and fiction are one and the same. who needs an example of “vacuity”?
Tranquil,
MB brought the debates to such a low level, I already told him I am done with him. I can now see that I did that in the other thread entitled “It’s the Who”. If you are cuirous, take a look there.
I answered his question, btw. I am not pro-GMA, I’m anti-anti-GMA…at least those antis who I have specified. He doesn’t understand, it seems, that there is a huge portion of society that is not rabidly anti-GMA (20~25%) nor devotedly pro-GMA 20~25%. But all of this has no relation to his contentions which he can’t (or won’t?) support.
Perhaps you didn’t see that he just could not accept the undisputable facts and had none of his own. I treated the discussions and MB with as much care and respect as possible. But he just repeating stuff in anger over and over again. That’s not debate. And he’s not debating…nor edifying…just screaming. I don’t need that — I got a wife already. :-)
Reality Check,
So you are El Tabako’s lieutenant?
You do not support Gloria and is not on the opposition either, you claim. But you had been unmasked by MB as rabidly mouthing palace propaganda. So tell me, are you being honest or what?
tranquil,
Please maintain decorum. I have described my political leanings repeatedly and thoroughly in these FV pages. I have summarized some aspects for you already.
Now…are you calling me a liar? Or are you having problems comprehanding my words?
Anyway, the idea is to debate the topics and not attack the poster. Do you have any topics? Any inputs? Anything substantive that can weather intellectual scrutiny?
“History” as I understand from the context is “speculation of history as seen from the future”.
You know, like Captain Jonathan Archer standing on the bridge of the USS Enterprise, in the year 2403, reviewing 2009 Philippine history.
Bencard,
It is not about your right to exercise your rights. It is about delicadeza.
you can shove your “delicadeza” to you know where. you are in a place where the old spanish value of delicadeza is synonymous with hypocrisy, then and now.
How sad, Bencard. That mentality explains why our politicians here have no qualms about hanging to their position even if they are in the eye of controversy.
Anyway. if you don’t accept delicadeza as a good thing, then how about knowing your place?
you have to explain why you think i don’t know my “place”. who determines my place, you? where’d you get the authority? from the “business mirror”?
just curious, know one’s “place” as what?
1) a subject in a feudal society?
2) a citizen with fundamental rights that include holding the government accountable and freedom of expression?
Yes RC, your postings are all there for everybody to scan and i do not see any intellectual value in it. Those are, for the most part, nothing more than propaganda.
I see it as odd that you profess to stray in the middle column of Gloria’s republique and yet you are, most often, hoisting the palace banner. Isn’t that a kind of intellectual dishonesty?
Sabagay para ka nga naman talagang si Tabako who is titillating the people (MB’s word) with his on/off support of the labandera by the Pasig river.
Tranquil,
OK. Please show me which facts — which I labeled as facts — are not facts.
Please reveal where I displayed “intellectual dishonesty”.
Can you substantiate your accusations?
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Unless I’m mistaken, this is a web site where posters put ideas and positions on the table and defend them. It’s a place for ideas. Got any?
you are wrong, tranquil, dead wrong. compared to realitycheck, you are like a third-rate tyro in tennis playing against a u.s. open champion. you, definitely, is out of his league as far as i can see.
I will make it simple for you RC.
You are either appalled and revolted by Gloria Arroyo’s sins or not.
You can defend your position all you want but please do not go around here proclaiming you are neither anti or pro Gloria and yet mouthing and spinning the very junk coming from the stinking palace. If you want to adopt a position of neutrality vis-a-vis Gloria’s crimes, then at least be consistent with your neutrality.
Your position on Garci scandal for example reveals your duplicity.
the junk is coming from your brain, not malacanang.
How about we throw the question back at you, Mr. Delicadeza.
Do Filipinos ignore you?
Last I heard you need to be a general, a politician, or a movie star to get any kind of basic public service done to a decent level of quality over there. :D
I don’t know. But I know enough not to meddle in the way Australians choose to live. I know my place, do you?
Hey Bencard, how are the Pidals today?
Had they given you your mid-year bonus yet?
have your stopped using shabu, tranquil?
hahaha, your canine loyalty to the Pidals is perfectly understood Bencard.
Tranquil,
So you have nothing new to offer.
You can’t refute facts.
You insult people.
You are dull.
Tell me — why are you here again? Come on, try to use your brain. Choose any debate or topic and show us what you have. Something of substance, I pray.
yeah, like hell you do.
“canine loyalty”? where’d you get that?
“understood”? how”?