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		<title>By: Ligtas Pinoy</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/joc-joc-bolantes-options/comment-page-1#comment-18298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ligtas Pinoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should be aware that the defense team of Arroyo&#039;s has strategized this already prior.  That is why it took Bolante some time to appear at the senate hearing.  This is a normal system that they have already in place.  Mike A. cannot allow Bolante spill the beans, he would do everything to counter this threat.  Sad story is Bolante is letting himseld be used by this guy, all we know Mike A. has raised the stakes for Bolante and most probably promised Bolante to be paid more money if he protects the secret of the Fertilizer Scam.  But, Senate should continue the offense, they cannot just let go of this investigation eventhough the current administration has put all their key people on key positions to further protect all lies and corruption they have in thei master plan.  HWne is enough for the Arroyo&#039;s? I am assuming they have raked billions of pesos or maybe dollars by this time.  They don&#039;t really care what happens to the country of to theur fellowmen.  Senate just needs to pressure more, one of these soldier&#039;s of the Arroyo&#039;s, one day, will just say enough and tell the truth and put an end to the Arroyo&#039;s greed for money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should be aware that the defense team of Arroyo&#8217;s has strategized this already prior.  That is why it took Bolante some time to appear at the senate hearing.  This is a normal system that they have already in place.  Mike A. cannot allow Bolante spill the beans, he would do everything to counter this threat.  Sad story is Bolante is letting himseld be used by this guy, all we know Mike A. has raised the stakes for Bolante and most probably promised Bolante to be paid more money if he protects the secret of the Fertilizer Scam.  But, Senate should continue the offense, they cannot just let go of this investigation eventhough the current administration has put all their key people on key positions to further protect all lies and corruption they have in thei master plan.  HWne is enough for the Arroyo&#8217;s? I am assuming they have raked billions of pesos or maybe dollars by this time.  They don&#8217;t really care what happens to the country of to theur fellowmen.  Senate just needs to pressure more, one of these soldier&#8217;s of the Arroyo&#8217;s, one day, will just say enough and tell the truth and put an end to the Arroyo&#8217;s greed for money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Judilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Judilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this trapo(traditional politician)a just a thingking for themselves. Jun Lozada poor filipino, yeah right, i dont believe that crap. Are they hoping that Jocx2 will turn state witness and what spend thousands with half bake results. Just let Jocx2 go in the middle of farmlands and let the farmers decide. With all those corrupt goverment employee, have they watch tv lately,have they seen poor people scavenge food just to get by. Everytime i see those it breaks my heart. Have they forgotten what goes around comes around. I hope it will come soon for these people. They are in power because they represent the general public , to protect the interest of every filipino, They should pass a law all these corrupt officals found stealing money from the goverment are punishable by capital punishment. No more corruption but were gonna have casket crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this trapo(traditional politician)a just a thingking for themselves. Jun Lozada poor filipino, yeah right, i dont believe that crap. Are they hoping that Jocx2 will turn state witness and what spend thousands with half bake results. Just let Jocx2 go in the middle of farmlands and let the farmers decide. With all those corrupt goverment employee, have they watch tv lately,have they seen poor people scavenge food just to get by. Everytime i see those it breaks my heart. Have they forgotten what goes around comes around. I hope it will come soon for these people. They are in power because they represent the general public , to protect the interest of every filipino, They should pass a law all these corrupt officals found stealing money from the goverment are punishable by capital punishment. No more corruption but were gonna have casket crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Primer C. Pagunuran</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/joc-joc-bolantes-options/comment-page-1#comment-16024</link>
		<dc:creator>Primer C. Pagunuran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joc Joc a big joke

	The Fourth Estate, or tri-media, even has to misbehave upon Joc Joc’s arrival at the NAIA such that a stricter policy has to be issued to serve public notice that because of such disturbing scuffle, security for media will be at its worst come another similar event.  Offhand, shouldn’t NAIA to be blamed for trying to apparently hide Joc Joc from public view and for that matter, within arm’s length from media that already stayed vigil one day ahead?

	Compared however to how institutions misbehave as well, NAIA dwarfs in comparison.  Senate engages in a tug of war with the Department of Justice as to who should issue arrest order and to take custody of Joc Joc.  Ironically, it is St. Lukes that stole the thunder with the possibility that Joc Joc stays in the hospital for as long as either the patient or the doctor so desires.  This has been truly anti-climactic to the false excitement stirred.  

	For another, Senate is trying to pull the rope again – at least, a second time around – from the Ombudsman that has already the jurisdiction over the case when the Senate already transmitted its report.  Senator Angara thinks that the SC should step into the case believing that even a single SC justice can in fact issue a temporary restraining order.  

	Bottomline, the question is on which legal radar screen must we find Joc Joc?  Is Senate the proper forum or is it more likely the Ombudsman?  Should DOJ still join the fray like some private law firm on a generous retainer fee?  Will the Supreme Court step into the picture in some impromptu decision as to whether the case ought to be reopened and therefore be reinvestigated by the Senate?  Should the case be initiated now at the Ombudsman as the proper forum after Senate’s own report has made conclusive its findings on Joc Joc’s guilt on the fertilizer scam?  What is the sense of the SC on the matter?

	There seems to be of a legal problem on how things could really begin but suffice it to say that St. Lukes has become an asylum of sort.  While in the hospital to buy time, Joc Joc should be about ready to dispose self whoever takes him next and where.  Senate has already prepared the ‘guest room’ for Joc Joc complete with decent amenities – free board and lodging, at taxpayers’ expense.  Depending on which institution takes higher precedence, the Sergeant-At-Arms of the Senate or the NBI of the justice department or the agents of the Ombudsman – whoever – could in fact arrest Joc Joc is no longer of any moment to the viewing universe.  

	We are into a new kind of legal rigmarole.  Is there anything else that the Senate should feast on in the case of Joc Joc?  What stones, if any, were left unturned, when Senate already officially and with finality issued its committee report thereby endorsing to the Ombudsman appropriate legal action on Joc Joc?  It can effectively mean that the earlier report is set aside if that were at all possible to pave the way for a new and final report after Joc Joc could have been made to appear before the Senate investigation committee and answer all questions – live on TV.  And again, if viciously, Senate will transmit report to the Ombudsman that should now initiate proper legal proceedings.  St. Lukes, at anytime of the investigation period, can provide convenient alibi for the inability of Joc Joc to further testify.  What do we have next?

	Generally speaking, there seems to be nothing more to know than has already been revealed or made public by way of all sorts of news reports and that of the Senate.  It should be Joc Joc who should run after our institutions if he were bent to redeem himself, if he can, from the seeming persecution he experienced – in and out of the country.  He should present himself voluntarily and with conviction in every public forum available to clear his name, if it were possible at all under the circumstances and weight of evidence offered by the Senate committee or by COA’s own audit report.  

	That Villar appears to be pressing the ball to the disgust of Ping Lacson by announcing he will yet to call a caucus and yet did not yet call one.  That the Ombudsman is yet to be in any indicative mood to take jurisdiction over the case and to set a self-imposed deadline to make its disposition over the case complete after some reasonable time is equally disturbing.  The House of Representatives might also want a piece of the cake however unthinkingly.

	For want of Joc Joc, nothing will be known.  There are legal experts who think Joc Joc can opt to speak or not speak.  Not few think, the matter has yet to be decided as to who should take jurisdiction and until this can be drawn, Joc Joc is a freeman.  By the time one legal loop has been untangled, a new Gordian knot ought to be untangled as to whether Joc Joc, now not an official of the government, can be compelled by any official government body or persona to appear than disappear.  Things have become more complicated than simple and that gave Joc Joc a lot of redemption value.  Is this part of a higher order of things?  Well, maybe yes.

	Whether Joc Joc is malingering to be suffering from any kind of illness to evade arrest or further legal action against him is deemed beside the point.  Senate, DOJ, Ombudsman, House of Representatives, SC – in running after Joc Joc – are all caught in a legal stampede and where any of these institutions chokes to its death, figuratively speaking, serves as an indication of our damaged psyche.  In the end, even with Joc Joc telling us all what he knows, the point is that the beneficiaries have already run away with the loot and are in fact, Scot-free and one poor Joc Joc just provides the immunity blanket for all the thieves in a grand thievery.  Where will all this lead us to?  Nowhere, just nowhere and Joc Joc will bring us no comfort even if he be found guilty.  Pray tell, the present agriculture secretary will not be another Joc Joc in our troubled midst. 

	Nor would we rather have Joc Joc get to tell all he knows whoever gets hurt and transformed himself as another Jun Lozada or another young Jose de Venecia.  If ever, it will only add up to the long list of political wannabes come 2010 who make their fleeting overnight celebrity status a jumping board for political success.  Enough, just enough – Jun Lozada, whistle-blower Joey de V – will not make it out of nothing than  false publicity gimmick.  Any class of nuns in our religious world should stop tinkering with the idea of coddling Joc Joc as they have coddled Jun Lozada for clear political ends.  This form of madness must come to an end.   Not one of these guys could be classed as the underdog – they are all part of the bourgeoisie – shame on them.   

PRIMER C. PAGUNURAN
(For comments, email nielsky_2003@yahoo.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joc Joc a big joke</p>
<p>	The Fourth Estate, or tri-media, even has to misbehave upon Joc Joc’s arrival at the NAIA such that a stricter policy has to be issued to serve public notice that because of such disturbing scuffle, security for media will be at its worst come another similar event.  Offhand, shouldn’t NAIA to be blamed for trying to apparently hide Joc Joc from public view and for that matter, within arm’s length from media that already stayed vigil one day ahead?</p>
<p>	Compared however to how institutions misbehave as well, NAIA dwarfs in comparison.  Senate engages in a tug of war with the Department of Justice as to who should issue arrest order and to take custody of Joc Joc.  Ironically, it is St. Lukes that stole the thunder with the possibility that Joc Joc stays in the hospital for as long as either the patient or the doctor so desires.  This has been truly anti-climactic to the false excitement stirred.  </p>
<p>	For another, Senate is trying to pull the rope again – at least, a second time around – from the Ombudsman that has already the jurisdiction over the case when the Senate already transmitted its report.  Senator Angara thinks that the SC should step into the case believing that even a single SC justice can in fact issue a temporary restraining order.  </p>
<p>	Bottomline, the question is on which legal radar screen must we find Joc Joc?  Is Senate the proper forum or is it more likely the Ombudsman?  Should DOJ still join the fray like some private law firm on a generous retainer fee?  Will the Supreme Court step into the picture in some impromptu decision as to whether the case ought to be reopened and therefore be reinvestigated by the Senate?  Should the case be initiated now at the Ombudsman as the proper forum after Senate’s own report has made conclusive its findings on Joc Joc’s guilt on the fertilizer scam?  What is the sense of the SC on the matter?</p>
<p>	There seems to be of a legal problem on how things could really begin but suffice it to say that St. Lukes has become an asylum of sort.  While in the hospital to buy time, Joc Joc should be about ready to dispose self whoever takes him next and where.  Senate has already prepared the ‘guest room’ for Joc Joc complete with decent amenities – free board and lodging, at taxpayers’ expense.  Depending on which institution takes higher precedence, the Sergeant-At-Arms of the Senate or the NBI of the justice department or the agents of the Ombudsman – whoever – could in fact arrest Joc Joc is no longer of any moment to the viewing universe.  </p>
<p>	We are into a new kind of legal rigmarole.  Is there anything else that the Senate should feast on in the case of Joc Joc?  What stones, if any, were left unturned, when Senate already officially and with finality issued its committee report thereby endorsing to the Ombudsman appropriate legal action on Joc Joc?  It can effectively mean that the earlier report is set aside if that were at all possible to pave the way for a new and final report after Joc Joc could have been made to appear before the Senate investigation committee and answer all questions – live on TV.  And again, if viciously, Senate will transmit report to the Ombudsman that should now initiate proper legal proceedings.  St. Lukes, at anytime of the investigation period, can provide convenient alibi for the inability of Joc Joc to further testify.  What do we have next?</p>
<p>	Generally speaking, there seems to be nothing more to know than has already been revealed or made public by way of all sorts of news reports and that of the Senate.  It should be Joc Joc who should run after our institutions if he were bent to redeem himself, if he can, from the seeming persecution he experienced – in and out of the country.  He should present himself voluntarily and with conviction in every public forum available to clear his name, if it were possible at all under the circumstances and weight of evidence offered by the Senate committee or by COA’s own audit report.  </p>
<p>	That Villar appears to be pressing the ball to the disgust of Ping Lacson by announcing he will yet to call a caucus and yet did not yet call one.  That the Ombudsman is yet to be in any indicative mood to take jurisdiction over the case and to set a self-imposed deadline to make its disposition over the case complete after some reasonable time is equally disturbing.  The House of Representatives might also want a piece of the cake however unthinkingly.</p>
<p>	For want of Joc Joc, nothing will be known.  There are legal experts who think Joc Joc can opt to speak or not speak.  Not few think, the matter has yet to be decided as to who should take jurisdiction and until this can be drawn, Joc Joc is a freeman.  By the time one legal loop has been untangled, a new Gordian knot ought to be untangled as to whether Joc Joc, now not an official of the government, can be compelled by any official government body or persona to appear than disappear.  Things have become more complicated than simple and that gave Joc Joc a lot of redemption value.  Is this part of a higher order of things?  Well, maybe yes.</p>
<p>	Whether Joc Joc is malingering to be suffering from any kind of illness to evade arrest or further legal action against him is deemed beside the point.  Senate, DOJ, Ombudsman, House of Representatives, SC – in running after Joc Joc – are all caught in a legal stampede and where any of these institutions chokes to its death, figuratively speaking, serves as an indication of our damaged psyche.  In the end, even with Joc Joc telling us all what he knows, the point is that the beneficiaries have already run away with the loot and are in fact, Scot-free and one poor Joc Joc just provides the immunity blanket for all the thieves in a grand thievery.  Where will all this lead us to?  Nowhere, just nowhere and Joc Joc will bring us no comfort even if he be found guilty.  Pray tell, the present agriculture secretary will not be another Joc Joc in our troubled midst. </p>
<p>	Nor would we rather have Joc Joc get to tell all he knows whoever gets hurt and transformed himself as another Jun Lozada or another young Jose de Venecia.  If ever, it will only add up to the long list of political wannabes come 2010 who make their fleeting overnight celebrity status a jumping board for political success.  Enough, just enough – Jun Lozada, whistle-blower Joey de V – will not make it out of nothing than  false publicity gimmick.  Any class of nuns in our religious world should stop tinkering with the idea of coddling Joc Joc as they have coddled Jun Lozada for clear political ends.  This form of madness must come to an end.   Not one of these guys could be classed as the underdog – they are all part of the bourgeoisie – shame on them.   </p>
<p>PRIMER C. PAGUNURAN<br />
(For comments, email <a href="mailto:nielsky_2003@yahoo.com">nielsky_2003@yahoo.com</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Patricio Mangubat</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/joc-joc-bolantes-options/comment-page-1#comment-15833</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricio Mangubat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kaya nga, dapat vigilant tayo. wag na wag na tayong papayag pang guyuin ng mga ito. mga walang hiya na talaga yang mga yan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaya nga, dapat vigilant tayo. wag na wag na tayong papayag pang guyuin ng mga ito. mga walang hiya na talaga yang mga yan.</p>
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		<title>By: leovino luluquisin jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>leovino luluquisin jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joc lng daw na masama ang pakiramdam ni bolante! kung titingnan mo yung sitwasyon nya (chest pain), hindi kya tinamaan na sya ng &quot;bertud&quot; sumpa sa libo-libong mag-sasakang &quot;Ginoyo&quot; nya! ok, ipa-check muna sa hospital, siguro totoo n masama ang pakiramdam, saan? St.Lukes? kung sa bagay baka may natira pa sa mga balato mula sa mga congressman (full support) na nag-benefit! kaasar talaga! dude, tao lng tayo, but the way i see how bolante being treated eh &quot;lintek naman talaga&quot;! i feel sorry to Sen.Angara, Zuburi, Gonzales, at syempre sa Ombudsman,! Mga sir, 728M lng nman iyon! ginamit pang-sarili at di &quot;pang-SILBI&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joc lng daw na masama ang pakiramdam ni bolante! kung titingnan mo yung sitwasyon nya (chest pain), hindi kya tinamaan na sya ng &#8220;bertud&#8221; sumpa sa libo-libong mag-sasakang &#8220;Ginoyo&#8221; nya! ok, ipa-check muna sa hospital, siguro totoo n masama ang pakiramdam, saan? St.Lukes? kung sa bagay baka may natira pa sa mga balato mula sa mga congressman (full support) na nag-benefit! kaasar talaga! dude, tao lng tayo, but the way i see how bolante being treated eh &#8220;lintek naman talaga&#8221;! i feel sorry to Sen.Angara, Zuburi, Gonzales, at syempre sa Ombudsman,! Mga sir, 728M lng nman iyon! ginamit pang-sarili at di &#8220;pang-SILBI&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose &#187; Today's Dose &#187; Impunity impresses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose &#187; Today's Dose &#187; Impunity impresses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Patricio Mangubat says Bolante&#8217;s (and the Palace&#8217;s) options are two: Two things going for Bolante—either do a Neri or do a Lozada. Should he choose to do a Neri, he may be casting his lot with a Godmother whose term ends one and a half years from now. His insurance policy has an expiration date of 2010. He may enter into a compromise agreement with the new administration, which may involve biting the hand that fed him. Should he decide to stick with his co-mafia members, most notably the First Golfer Gang (FGG), he should be ready with his millions to massage the irate public and those who handle his cases. Otherwise, he may be in for a lot of trouble and possible long jail time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Patricio Mangubat says Bolante&#8217;s (and the Palace&#8217;s) options are two: Two things going for Bolante—either do a Neri or do a Lozada. Should he choose to do a Neri, he may be casting his lot with a Godmother whose term ends one and a half years from now. His insurance policy has an expiration date of 2010. He may enter into a compromise agreement with the new administration, which may involve biting the hand that fed him. Should he decide to stick with his co-mafia members, most notably the First Golfer Gang (FGG), he should be ready with his millions to massage the irate public and those who handle his cases. Otherwise, he may be in for a lot of trouble and possible long jail time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Current &#187; Impunity impresses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Current &#187; Impunity impresses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Patricio Mangubat says Bolante&#8217;s (and the Palace&#8217;s) options are two: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Patricio Mangubat says Bolante&#8217;s (and the Palace&#8217;s) options are two: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pinoyshowbizcentral</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/joc-joc-bolantes-options/comment-page-1#comment-15704</link>
		<dc:creator>pinoyshowbizcentral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eto pa tung may grabeng GREED pero kawaawa ang lagay niya kasi magastos ang lawyers tapos yung mga pasikot sikot pa ang gastos. hehehe kawawang bata.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eto pa tung may grabeng GREED pero kawaawa ang lagay niya kasi magastos ang lawyers tapos yung mga pasikot sikot pa ang gastos. hehehe kawawang bata.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinoy</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/joc-joc-bolantes-options/comment-page-1#comment-15613</link>
		<dc:creator>Pinoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hindi raw makikialam ang Aroyo admin sa Jocjoc issue na yan, REALLY?? what&#039;s this April Fools? Nakakahiya to the bone ang gobyerno natin. Bakit naman kasi nagpapagamit sa gobyerno yang mga taong yan. i can not imagine the amount involved, P728 million. Kung nilaan na lang ba yun para sa mga mahihirap, marami pang natulungan. Pero siempre election muna bago ang lahat. My God please help us get rid of our government officials. Ang nakakagalit pa, akala mo kung sinong mga relihiyoso/relihiyosa! puro naman mga pagpapayaman ang mga iniisip, kung minimal lang sana ang mga ginagawa nilang pagnanakaw, di hindi na sana aasa pa sa US aid, paano na kaya ang Pilipinas kung walang mga ofws&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hindi raw makikialam ang Aroyo admin sa Jocjoc issue na yan, REALLY?? what&#8217;s this April Fools? Nakakahiya to the bone ang gobyerno natin. Bakit naman kasi nagpapagamit sa gobyerno yang mga taong yan. i can not imagine the amount involved, P728 million. Kung nilaan na lang ba yun para sa mga mahihirap, marami pang natulungan. Pero siempre election muna bago ang lahat. My God please help us get rid of our government officials. Ang nakakagalit pa, akala mo kung sinong mga relihiyoso/relihiyosa! puro naman mga pagpapayaman ang mga iniisip, kung minimal lang sana ang mga ginagawa nilang pagnanakaw, di hindi na sana aasa pa sa US aid, paano na kaya ang Pilipinas kung walang mga ofws&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Patricio Mangubat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricio Mangubat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>philman,

agree. but though this one is plausible, i&#039;m still expecting something to happen before 2010.</description>
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<p>agree. but though this one is plausible, i&#8217;m still expecting something to happen before 2010.</p>
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