KUDOS to our colleague Noemi Dado for her scintillating performance on Media in Focus on ANC with Cheche Lazaro this evening. She really scored a bullseye for the Bloggers and outshined veteran journalists Carlos Conde (International Herald Tribune) and Danilo Arao (Bulatlat) when she pointed out that it is the very active comment threads that come with real blogs, as well as the commentaries of other bloggers, that provide check and balance on what bloggers report or opine. Indeed, as a blogger myself, I am grateful when my Comment Thread participants point out blatant errors in my posts. I gladly acknowledge them. Our Mom Blogger surgically demolished the point that Carlos Conde had been hammering on throughout the show — that bloggers just shoot their mouth off, say whatever they want, and publish material that is “unvetted” — unlike of course the Main Stream Media which never publishes premeditated innuendo, erroneous news or outrageous views. (*wink*).
Noemi’s point about comment threads and fellow bloggers points out a very important and substantial difference between the Main Stream Media and the Blogosphere. Where traditional journalists rely on the wisdom of editors, we Bloggers rely on the wisdom of the crowd to restrain our passions, to check our facts and test our assertions. We are each other’s whetstones and limit switches, critics and devil’s advocates. We do things this way because it is much cheaper and more effective than setting up uneconomical, unecological multibillion peso newspaper empires, television and radio networks, whose principal goals are largely commercial and only partly journalistic. I daresay, that the speed of the comment thread makes for much faster “corrective but noneditorial” action in the blogosphere. The Blogosphere is far nimbler and more agile than newspapers, radio or television, and has corrigibility built into the interactive nature of the blogging practice itself.
Now of course, blogging has not abolished stupidity, avarice or bad manners. But no matter what criticisms are leveled at bloggers, much of it applies in equal if not greater measure to the Main Stream Media. Take the matter of errors–it is hardly worth noting that the main stream is arrogant enough to ignore their mistakes, or if errata are acknowledged, it’s there buried behind the obits. As for vetting, the main stream magnates could hardly care what they spew into the public sphere –as news, views or entertaintment — as long as it’s not libelous. That’s 99% of what passes for “vetting” in main stream journalism, in my opinion.
The bottom line is this. There are good bloggers and there are bad bloggers, just as there are journalists of both tendencies. But there is no doubt that the two tribes do things very differently. They use different tools, and as the vetting issue that Noemi has answered with “comment threads” has demonstrated, very different ways of “getting at the truth”. As the famous blogger Andrew Sullivan said in a piece that all bloggers should read, Why I Blog:
For centuries, writers have experimented with forms that evoke the imperfection of thought, the inconstancy of human affairs, and the chastening passage of time. But as blogging evolves as a literary form, it is generating a new and quintessentially postmodern idiom that’s enabling writers to express themselves in ways that have never been seen or understood before. Its truths are provisional, and its ethos collective and messy. Yet the interaction it enables between writer and reader is unprecedented, visceral, and sometimes brutal. And make no mistake: it heralds a golden era for journalism.
Good job, Noemi! The wisdom of editors vs. the wisdom of a blogging crowd.
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well, Mr. DJB, I totally disagree with you on this.
Bloggers like you are persons who claim to be experts in law and whathaveyou when, in reality, you don’t even have a shred of credibility to say your piece about something. You bloggers are fake intellectuals, unlike us, lawyers of the High Order who just defeat you in every conceivable venue online and offline.
Bloggers are fake experts. They should never be believed. I’m still reading newspapers though. They cause policies to be made. Mr. DJB, can you cite just one blog that made an impact similar to an article published in the Inquirer?
The high priest must mean a news article article not sourced from the Internet.
Is that really you Padre Salvi? Gosh we missed you around here. We are SO privileged to have someone with such penetrating vision and salubrious attitude from the HIgh Order come and pay us a visit. I hope you are wearing the proper attire of course, since we now have a Dress Code and are discouraging the use of tsinelas, sando, and anything legible. But if you must, you may wear your metal-studded cilice. Tightly, but discreetly, if you please.
ang tigas ng mukha naman talaga nitong si highpriest hahahahahaha
well…gaya ng sabi ko sa kabilang thread…sana mamatay ka na kasama ang amo mong politiko…asap yun ha…tamaan ka ng kidlat, mabunggo ka sa edsa…sa ano mang paraan..please lang, mamatay ka na…isama mo na si sec gonzales ha…
saka, masyado ng maraming matalino sa pilipinas…di ka na kelangan..hahahaha
congratulations…
Perhaps, somebody here must come up with the distinction, better still, similarities between newspapers and blogs.
The blog titled “Kudos to Mom Blogger” to my mind, sufficiently explained the possible use, abuse, or misuse of blogging.
On the ground, newspapers do also commit the same practices and over the years we are fed only with those facts, opinions, comments that the media outfit they represent would allow within the limits of libel.
I would tend to believe, to some extent, that there are bloggers, if not many of them, who do pretend to be experts in law or in any field altogether but then again, there is at least the piece or blog they have written which we can put in the “microscope” to see whether or not such a blog is of any value.
Much news, columns, and stuff newspapers print commit the same frailty. At this age, we need informations to implode or explode before our face at the “speed of light” as one expert has said.
Everyone reserves the right to favor newspapers over blogs read in cyberspace. Who cares anyway?
Still, it is everybody’s option to get their information from every sources available – online or offline.
The high priest has spoken and we can bow our heads in deference.
I once thought it quite sad that the scope of what is discussed in FV gravitates to the trivialities of petty Pinoy politics.
But now it is starting to gravitate to the even smaller space of the minutiae of blogging.
A blog in which authors describe blogging.
Jeez.
In case you forgot…the petty pinoy politics is whats killing and causing the suffering of the filipin people, and not to mention the country.
Are you saying that FV is only for the articulate?…only for those who can write well (in english), only for the UP,DLSU,ATENEO etc..grads…and that FV is only fitted for the lawyers…etc etc etc
and FV is not for those pinoys who talks about what really is happening to this country…in the ¨FILIPINO¨ way????
Let me ask you benigno…when was the last time people like you have done something good and actually changed the nation for the better? The last time I checked, one of your kind..MLQ, he went to congress and filed an impeachment complaint together with his buddy JDV3 who also happened to be part of long-time political family that have been robbing the country and depriving the filipino people of a better life…it was also your kind that has been running this country for so many years now and have not done anything to make this country a better place for every filipino…it was also the articulate and bright ferdinand marcos and his cronies who declared martial law…it was also your kind blah blah blah..
Racist against your own kind…tsk tsk tsk
Why not change the name of this site to ¨filipino-articulate-bright-and-elitist-voices-dont post-if-you-are-not-one-of-us.com
“Racist against your own kind…tsk tsk tsk”
Also racist against his own people!
de la paz and blogging:
lesson learned…
with more blogger power given, more open comment box and more open-mindedness will be required.
btw, MIF now on youtube.
Lighten up Benigz,
The topic of blogging was on Media in Focus and for those who follow this media program on ABSCBN that focusses on the minutiae of media, we know that blogging has been coming up in practically every episode. I happened to know all the guests and was actually with Noemi just last Friday. Cheche Lazaro the host of the show is a friend. Ding and I had been on it. But on such minutiae are friendships and collaborations built, and blog posts inspired, so excuse me. But blogging about the blogging phenomenon is like writing about some new genre of writing, or singing or expression. Also the criticism that bloggers don’t have editors and are “unvetted” has been making the rounds of the MSM and needed a good rebuttal. Noemi delivered. Now why the heck am I explaining myself to you? Oh right, you need explaining to, paisano. Here, inject this into your skull and r-e-l-a-x!
Juwan_D–It is really only Benign0 that believe he is — what did you call the rest of us–”articulate, bright, elitist”? Well I’m flattered that your flustered, but believe me, bloggers are mostly just like you. By the way if you had three words how would you describe yourself? I mean c’mon look at the company you keep. Why not love the one your with? We is nice. We is humble. We make typos. We make faces. Don’t be such a stick in the mud, man. Think of something fresh, something clever, something to make Benign0 mad. He likes the emotion of anger. That’s why he always publishes jumpy gifs. It soothes his soul. Or roils it. I don’t know.
Thanks Baycas.
Methinks you like us.
Thanks, DJB. Patricia Evangelista told me that she invited other guests like Manuel Viloria, and you guys at FV. Too bad you didn’t go. I wonder what the discussion would have turned out. All of us engaged in lively discussion about blogging just before we went live.
Benigs, welcome to your own kind. are they irritating? you’re not alone, i can relate to you but these people are not the enemy of the state but an enemy to oneself.. :) don’t we all?
Kudos to DJB , sorry i don’t know the mom blogger.
blog versus media? bloggers are disorganize, no set of rules, majority are inappropriate especially the commenters ( like me) but that’s the beauty of it. Media in Philippines? According to Global Integrity Report, it is not the credible sources of information but its members enjoy the “free-wheeling” ,sacrificing substance and quality, ouch. It is a status symbol, huh? :)
Yeah, Rom was invited. I wonder why they didn’t show up? It would’ve been great. Lucky no one mentioned Plurk. Something pols are still not aware about.
At least bloggers apologized. The papers didn’t.
Patricia *drools*
You kidding? I thought that’s a joke, that she’s pretty.
Noemi,
An hour goes by fast on main stream television though doesn’t it? It’s a million bucks a minute. But in the blogsphere, we’ll spend days and many megabits per second of bandwidth in comments and further posts on all the issues you and the other guests mentioned oh so briefly on tv. Haha. Nature of the beasts. We and our readers will surely get to understand those issues more thoroughly here than whoever was flippin’ through the channels with the remote and heard Caloy Conde say Journalists could never become Bloggers at the same time and expect to do good journalism. So when you hit him between the eyes with the comment thread explanation, he actually said that he could not stand to have strangers telling him he was wrong or correcting an article he had written. That’s the kind of conceit or resistance to change that will lead to early retirement for certain types of journalists and extinction for certain types of media–as well as the vast majority of Bloggers!
the highpriest has some points. there are some bloggers who shoot from the hips, but that’s the beauty of blogging. no censorship. you are free to show your talents or your stupidity. i would rather have the gems and the garbage side by side for the sake of variety. :)
btw,
benign0 is one blogger i admire including DJB, Bencard, Jeg, and Leytenian. Of all the regular writers, Ding writes some beautiful articles, Primer is good, Nick is short but sharp, Jester-in-Exile probing, Caffeine will show you some sparks. I wish to read more from the community. But benign0 is right in his perception that we become petty when we create a mini-blog from someone’s blog.
Oh,
Not
Only
Like but love
More time on the Net
Entails more Voices to discern
The din attracts one’s ears but the music stands above
The rest of the boring, pointless blogging noise; and make one’s mind to work, to perceive…to think
“he actually said that he could not stand to have strangers telling him he was wrong or correcting an article he had written.”
DJB, that’s not quite the way Caloy Conde put it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZFj6_Ge17c
At around the 2:35 point, I heard what sounded like: “I hate the idea of other people, you know, ah, ah, correct– no, not correcting me but owning ah… pointing out my mistake and then I ah… not doing it ah… myself not doing it…. so I have to… I have to come out with…” (or words to that effect)
The impression I got is that Caloy Conde does not want to rely only on the comments area to provide the balance. He wants to take a more active role in correcting his mistake, by coming out with something. I dunno… another blog post perhaps? He didn’t flesh out what he was trying to say.
But it didn’t come across as conceited to me.
(I didn’t quite catch any part where Caloy Conde say he couldn’t stand people telling him he was wrong or correcting an article he had written.)
In the same video (00:03), Cheche Lazaro asks: “Credibility is not important to you, Noemi?”
And Noemi answers: “I didn’t realize that.”
I don’t know if Noemi did not realize that credibility is indeed not important to her afterall, or if she did not realize that credibility actually is important.
(In her blog, Noemi states that she does not give a hoot about credibility.)
Gee thanks, jcc. Im honored to be in that company, even if I dont deserve it. And yes, we need a benign0, just like we need a DJB.
DJB: your erroneous recounting of what i said is precisely the kind of stuff that makes me want to stop blogging. (of course you’d say, yehey!) i rest my case.
also, nowhere did i say that i didn’t want the comment threads to correct my mistakes — what i was saying was, as manuel viloria here pointed out, is that i, as a blogger, need not wait for any commenters to point out mistakes before correcting them.
anyway, check this out so you and see if you can appreciate what i’m trying to say. http://www.pinoypress.net/2009/01/15/the-golf-war-and-the-perils-of-blogging
ManuelV,
I recall the exchange. Noemi was being quite candid about a common experience of many bloggers: they don’t blog to maintain some kind of journalistic stature like ABSCBN or PDI or DZMM. They are in some sense just opinionators, but different even than MSM pundits.
When she said she didn’t care about “credibility” that was when she was being a “Mom Blogger” as she said, writing about things she is an expert on: her husband, her children, herself.
Then when she got embroiled in the golf fracas, suddenly all the credibility she had built up as a Mom Blogger was put to to the test in a completely unfamiliar situation. But of course, being a basically honest blogger, she did just “shoot her mouth off” — but with the normal consciousness that her comment thread and other bloggers would see her published stuff and it would stand as a statement of her opinion or feeling at that point in time.
I think most bloggers–honest bloggers anyway–just assume that if they are speaking their mind with candor and openness so why do they need some editor to watch own for the owners interests in THEIR thoughts?
It really goes back to the fundamental cost of doing business in the MSM vs. blogging. It COSTS a ton of money to publish or broadcast anything, which is part of the reason for the “vetting” which is sold as journalistic integrity.
What a laugh. The MSM is just as full of it as the Blogosphere, except our B.S. costs the economy and the environment far less. That very low cost of transacting memes is revolutionary. It has silenced the Voice of Omniscience that used to belong exclusively to the MSM.
No more! No more! Ordinary citizens will be heard. We’ll pay for pros to gather the news, but our views can and will stand in competition with any commercial pundit. Any day. Any night. Anywhere.
The Blogosphere is a meritocracy of ideas, an aristocracy of meme-makers.
Thanks for the links to the show, I
ll try to give it a look-see. just reading the article and some of the comments though, I do have a few thoughts I’d like to share:
* On the influence of blogs vs. newspapers: I think focusing on the medium in which content is distributed is not really a good way to measure the influence a particular news item might have. I think what really matters is (1) the content/substance of the item itself; and (2) how widely disseminated that item becomes. An article in the Inquirer – or, hell, in the New York Times – about the winner of a dogshow can hardly be said to be influential simply because of the medium it is expressed in. Likewise the best news item in the world, whether in print or on the web, won’t have very much importance if people don’t talk about it.
Also, if I may ask one question to Mr. Caloy as well: sir, would not a statement be as subject to “erroneous recounting” if it were made in any public medium? And would these “erroneous recountings” be not similarly heinous whether they were recounted through blogs, print, or word of mouth? Allegations of “misquoting” and “being taken out of context” are probably as old as gossip itself.
hi pipe: point taken, although my point was more on the point that, in DJB’s case, he was shooting his mouth off (us many of us do) at my expense. do journalists in the mainstream press commit “erroneous recountings”? of course! but for people like DJB to exploit the shortcomings of journalists or the press to promote himself as the alternative AND THEN commit the very thing he rues… (irony is not the word i’m inclined to use.)
Caloy,
Any distortion is unintentional. But it is impossible to keep up with what every journalist or blogger has posted or published somewhere, even the IHT. What I saw was an hour on Cheche Lazaro’s show and I heard you say some things such as that Journalists cannot be Bloggers and expect to do a good job. I thought that characteristically sanctimonious and simply wrong. (Just ask Larry King or Anderson Cooper.) I admit this was probably just a snapshot of your own evolving thoughts and experience, which we all appreciate of course, but I am sick and tired of people in the MSM accusing Bloggers of splinters in their eye as they ignore the logs in their own. I need not embarrass you with a litany of journalism’s own follies and jollies.
But I hope you acknowledge that Noemi has effecively answered the tendentiously repeated charge of a lack of “vetting” and “verification” in the Blogosphere that the MSM beats its chest with. (For some reason it is a favorite of Old Leftists who’ve carved out a niche in the MSM, but I’m sure this doesn’t pertain to you.)
Still, it is an entirely different mechanism that “corrects” blogs, yet it can be every bit as effective and indeed “faster” and more “transparent” than what the MSM can do because “vetting” is not automatic, but discretionary.
I guess it is in effect in the vetting process that whatever private interest the owners and proprietors of commercial mass media are snuck in and promoted under the cover of “editorial policy.”
Thus, in both the production of the news and views, and in the manner they are redacted and reacted to, there is a huge difference between the Blogosphere and the traditional old media, especially newspapers. Even when they are online, they bring with them the baggage of Crony Capitalism masquerading as Journalism.
So I commend your decision not to jump the “species barrier” if indeed you are uncomfortable with interactivity, or find it beneath you, who are vetted by editors and restrained by a Code of Ethics.
You realize of course that it is precisely this allegedly vetted, quality controlled material that becomes grist for the Bloggers Mill.
Perhaps this analogy will help:
The Blogosphere is the Comment Thread of the MSM. (A tale that wags the god).
DJB: i have no debate with you on the nature of the blogosphere. i do agree with the comment-threat analogy. which brings me to my point: perhaps we should stop this nonsense about blogging as the new journalism or the one that will defeat MSM. blogging and journalism are two different animals, with different sets of values, etc. and society needs BOTH of them. put another way, and as i shall explain more in a post on pinoypress.net soon, the answer to bad journalism is good journalism, not blogging.
ps: journalists are not vetted by editors. it would be impossible for an editor who sits in his cubicle all day to know whether every single fact or information that his reporters gathered is true. the editor’s job is to make sure that reporters talked to the right sources, adhered to the objective process of reporting, got all sides and got them accurately. the editor’s job is to make sure that reporters do not just shoot their mouths off without basis. if this process is objectionable to you so much so that you prefer a medium that does away with all that, good luck.
and the code of ethics that you seem to disdain? it’s there for a reason, just as there was a reason your momma whipped you up as a boy: so you’d be nice to other people.
ManuelV,
Baka wrong grammar lang. Baka ibig nyang sabihin I DIDN’T care instead of I don’t.
DJB commented: “When she said she didn’t care about “credibility” that was when she was being a “Mom Blogger” as she said, writing about things she is an expert on: her husband, her children, herself.”
Oh… I got the impression her statement about not caring about credibility stemmed from the issue of not disclosing in the very blog post that she edited, that she removed/replaced “equally dysfunctional” (in reference to the Pangandamans [father and son])
For reference,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-rz6EU0VCg
At around the 09:19 point, Cheche Lazaro asked Noemi if she realized the strength or the power of Noemi’s blog. Then Noemi states that she didn’t realize it until some entries came out questioning her credibility.
Perhaps such entries were not clear enough. Noemi said that her credibility was questioned because she edited a word. Actually, the focus should have been on a case of editing a blog post without disclosing that fact right there in that very same blog post itself.
And that whole issue of entries or an entry questioning her credibility (stemming from the non-disclosure of the deletion of “equally dysfunctional”) is perhaps a major part of the history behind Noemi’s response (i.e., not caring about credibility) to Cheche’s question.
Anyway, as Noemi clarified in her blog, she does not care whether she has credibility or not outside her blog’s community.
BrianB… baka nga “didn’t” ang tunay na ibig sabihin, kahit panay ang “don’t” sa TV at sa blog.
Caloy,
I eagerly await your promised post on pinoypress explaining why “good journalism is the answer to bad journalism and not blogging”. I also agree that blogging is not the “new journalism” or the same old journalism made new. I think some people call it “citizen journalism”. Professionals in commercial journalism may feel insulted that ordinary citizens would do for free what they do for a living, but bloggers do not harbor some kind of weird ambition to “defeat” the MSM or *gasp* supplant it.
I do not disdain the Code of Ethics of journalists since I am sure they learnt its core principles at Mother Superior’s knee and was surely not invented by Journalism as such, but plagiarized from the thing we call Morality and published as a Good Housekeeping Seal of Self-Approval. An official caveat emptor to stave off libel lawyers. But then again, even butchers in a slaughterhouse have a Code of Ethics, so what is that to a vegetarian? It does not alter the fact that the “journalism” part of the MSM’s current media products are really just the printed and colorful packaging for the real deliverables of that major industry: commercial advertising and mindless, puerile and insipid entertainment for the masses.
That is why the dog of journalism has grown a wagging tail. Those who don’t uphold the high standards of Caloy Conde and Manny Villoria will surely suffer the metaphorical death by a thousand comment threads.
We are watching YOU, Big Brother.
ManuelV,
Could-ah, would-ah, should-ah, but in the ultimate concensus, do you not agree that the quality of credibility is not strained where a piece of writing is subjected to the examination of others, whether they be editors or fellow bloggers and commentators?
Sullivan makes the key point: the truth in the blogging world is provisional, subject to the further action of bloggers and commenters. It’s a kind of Brownian motion that has a name: the wisdom of the crowd.
It is a statistical quantity enabled by technology. I guess that’s the other key point. It is not that blogging will defeat or eliminate the MSM. For it is termites of economy and ecology that are gnawing on the MSM. Bloggers are only accelerating an inexorable decay and destruction on which will rise some new journalism of equal vapidity and velleity.
DJB said: “We are watching YOU, Big Brother.”
As you should, little brother. the beauty of course of blogging is that you are likewise being watched. :-)
Caloy, welcome to FV, hope you drop by more often..
With regards to MSM and New Media, as of present time, and I assume still out into the future.. New Media must have a collaborative role with MSM, I am not as antagonist to old media as my colleagues, but I do see the same promise of New Media as my esteemed colleagues do.. With what I set out to do in my first draft of my Filipino Voices “manifesto”, the key concepts for New Media to truly shine is in the aspect of Wisdom of The Crowds, and that of citizen journalism.. both, utilized properly, and in a concerted effort will be the beacon of light that I expect some of my colleague are eluding to..
But until that day arrives, we push forward, grow steadily, correct our mistakes, learn from our mistakes, and strive to fully understand the potential of this great tool of democracy..
@Mr. Caloy,
Thank you for responding to my comment. Some thoughts on your statement: “the answer to bad journalism is good journalism, not blogging. ”
- Maybe it’s because I came into blogging late in the day, but I don’t see the reason for the focus to be on the medium of information dissemination. My rudimentary understanding of “bad journalism” (as opposed to, say, inept journalism) is that such is at its core simply the dissemination of false information as fact. The answer to that, it would seem, would be the dissemination of the truth, regardless of the medium in which such truth is spread. How much verification a piece of information is subjected to seems more a matter inherent to the people involved, and not inherent in the medium. A lone blogger might have a meticulous verification process while the staff of a publication, from editor down to writer, may be consciously spreading falsehoods.
If you’ll pardon my application of Ockham’s Razor, if the problem is falsehood, the solution is truth, however it is disseminated, through traditional media or blogs or someone standing in front of a talk, not saying a thing.
If I did not open the link that show the exchange between my classmate Che Che Lazaro with that of Caloy Conde, Danny Araw as well as Noemi Dado in that TV program, Media in Focus, which theme discussed is on this new craze blogging and how it differs with mainstream with some attention on whether blogging could be covered by the same code of ethics of mainstream.
The discussion somehow revolved around the Valley Golf melee as a starting point. It is where, probably, Noemi has had chance to explain her side against those who may have criticized her in her blogs.
I have yet to understand if there had been serious points that Caloy Conde and possibly Danny Arao could have said that would prove the impressions put forth by DJB in his blog, Kudos to Mom Blogger apparently against the opinion raised by Caloy.
I would think too early in the day to have to make a razor-cut distinction between mainstream and blogosphere, journalism and blogging.
At the very least, not few in FV are journalists cum bloggers and bloggers cum journalists.
That real blogs have active comment threads is to distinugish from online columns published by PDI for example, which even if they are online are not “real” blogs because they do not allow for interactive commenting. They have not evolved a comment thread and you still have to write a “letter to the editor.”
The fact that I am commenting on your blog is only possible because you have “activated” your comment thread.
That isn’t true for carlos conde’s article in the newspaper, even if he himself has a blog.
If you had read the rest of the comment thread this point might’ve occurred to you.
Now it is true lots of blogs don’t get a lot of actual comments. That is irrelevant to the point that Carlos Conde and Co. in the Main Stream are afraid of interactivity, or against it for some reason as he did try to explain.
But I will not get shot in the back by a bunch of journalists whose profession is not exactly much better than worst of the blogosphere.
Oh please. Noemi Dado said she didn’t care about credibility. when lazaro pounced, all she could say was, well I’m a mombloigger. Lazaro pounced on that as well, asking “well, what’s a moooomblogger?” drawing out the mom to emphasize that she was smelling bullshit.
you either have credibility or you don’t. and the only people who don’t care about credibility are the people who don’t care about their readers.
As noemi said: readers come and go. She might’ve added: what the fuck do i care?
jester-in-exile posts probing? More of a —jester-in-exile is a liar.
Momblogitch,
Yes, I heard the part of the conversation when she said that. But the context was “journalist credibility”. She was just saying that as a blogger, she did not care about the credibility that journalists claim only their vetted process can produce.
Regarding momblogging, Noemi was just saying that as a mom she is an expert on her own children, husband and family. So the question of “credibility” had not actually arisen in the same way that it did in the golf fracas.
I think you have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
You are of course being perverse by putting foul words in her mouth at the end of your comment.
DJB, the focus was on “blogger credibility” rather than “journalist credibility”
Here’s the link to video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZFj6_Ge17c
It wasn’t about vetting. It was about disclosing edits made to one’s blog post, and how failing to make such a disclosure gave rise to questions on credibility.
I viewed the video and did not catch any part where Noemi Dado said that she “did not care about the credibility that journalists claim only their vetted process can produce.”
ManuelV., Tell me something. Right now who do you think has greater overall credibility, for whatever reason: the blogosphere or the main stream media? Who has more paid hacks? Who is involved in daily, hourly, second by second corruption and sale of bandwidth? Who distorts the news. Who published paid-for opinion the most? Who is in the employ of some big private interest or other.
The MSM’s problem is it must adapt and evolve or perish.
We have all acknowledged that these are different genres of writing, different media even, and therefore different messages.
Credibility in the blogosphere is not purchased with the same currency as in the main stream.
But what is it you are really trying to say? Spit it out already!
yes, that’s how i understood it.
“it was really a mistake,” she said, not to put disclosures on editing…
again…congratulations…
for owning up to her mistake.
now, how about the jumping to conclusions part???
I think it must be admitted that bloggers make mistakes all the time. I do. And I cannot actually say that I’ve never edited any of my posts after hitting the publish button. But I should hope that most of my regular readers do not take everything I say as gospel truth. They know me from the over 1000 posts that exist on my blog.
Anyone who thinks they can gain or keep credibility without the usual commensensical good housekeeping practices of basic honesty and integrity is sadly mistaken.
If I seem to be defending Noemi it is because I am. She did admit what she considers to have been a mistake in judgment.
Are we supposed to take from this one incident some generalization about bloggers. I don’t think so.
Yes of course the show was about bloggers and blogger credibility. But insofar as a comparison was being begged and pushed with journalists, it is only fair to point out that all these peccadillos are just as common, and in more virulent forms in the utterly corrupt MSM.
You can dump on the Mom blogger. I give her kudos, just coz she got up there and faced down a pair of subtle bullies.
Okay, DJB… here it is:
Do you not agree that it would be better to accurately quote people, especially when using phrases like “she was just saying…” or “…he actually said…”?
I mean, especially when it can be easily verified by simply watching and listening to the video?
Thanks.
Sure ManuelV,
I agree and concede: it would be better to accurately quote people, and best that when that does not happen, we admit it and correct our mistakes, even when that mistake is not to have admitted it to begin with. Thanks.
We all commit mistakes. We all have sometimes
false perceptions of things and events. It is
very welcome for us to know other people’s opinions.
It is okay, if we dont prevail in our
opinions and arguments. Somebody may have better
outlook of things. Think before you Blog…Dont
contribute your Ignorance to the Blogosphere.