Noynoy Aquino: From non-platform to gone-platform
October 16th, 2009 by benign0Guess what folks! Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino Jr does have a platform! And it looks like this:
Considering that Noynoy’s website had recently been glossed-up, I suppose it is quite safe to assume that the above also represents an “improvement” over what Ben Kritz described as a “non-platform” back in late August of this year.
Not the most promising-looking of platforms, isn’t it? Perhaps this bizarrely strong inclination to march towards progress in reverse among Pinoys is what also explains our beholdenness to popularity metrics whenever we set out to choose our next leader.
Courtesy: UtakNgTilapia.com
What has always been a candidacy that makes a fuzzy appeal to the softer aspects that dominate the Filipino’s general sensibilities is kinda off-putting to the more analytically-inclined voter. Indeed, Noynoy’s brilliant strategists have at last addressed that serious gap as there is now some cause to associate Noynoy’s candidacy with a bit of the kind of technical jargon that appeals to the more analytical mind:
I can’t help but highlight yet another irony that escapes the collective mind of the Philippine political establishement and its cadre of “expert” analysts.
Aquino’s glossing up of his website and the disappearance of the only section in it that would have housed the only semblance of substance underpinning his candidacy is symbollic of our society. In the same way that the flurry of property “development” that characterised the last several decades of Metro Manila’s history added a veneer of gloss over the metropolis that masked a hideous infrastructural rot, Aquino’s website “improvements” reflect our society’s march to progress:
Paatras ang asenso
(Progress in reverse)
And so we continue our march to 2010…
Courtesy: UtakNgTilapia.com.
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October 18, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Gusto ng Noynoy-campaign, libre.
At para ngang Villar si Noynoy, pareho lang sila sa no-talk, no mistake.
October 18, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Siguro, malapit na rin na magkakaroon ng mahabang interview si Noynoy.
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Question and answer (Answer is Villar talking)
Q: Ano yung posisyon niyo sa population issue?
A: Sa akin ang populasyon kasi, dapat tanggapin na natin na given yan. 90 million tayo. Nag-aaway-away tayo, nagsisisihan tayo kung bakit tayo naging 90 million. Ang sa kin, 90 million tayo, gustuhin man natin o hindi, 90 million na tayo. Yan gamitin na lang nating asset yan, to our advantage. Ang isang advantage naman ng isang bansa na malaki ang populasyon, pwedeng maging great na bansa yan, sapagkat yang laki ng populasyon na yan, malaking consumer market yan. At pagka ikaw, lumaki ka, napasigla mo ang ekonomiya, magiging isa ka sa pinakamalaking ekonomiya sa buong mundo, magiging isa kang malaking bansa. Kaya sa akin, yang malaking populasyon, pwede mong gawing advantage yan kaysa disadvantage.
Q: Pero yung population policy, yung reproductive health bill, ano? Sang ayon ba kayo dun
A: Kasi, naniniwala ako na hindi naman sa batas yan. Mangyayari yan. At sa aking pananaw, hindi naman natin kailangan ng anumang batas dito. Sa aking pananaw ay nandyan na yan at ang kailangan ay itama natin yung ating mga, yung pag-usapan yung ating health department na sa ngayon ay tumatanggap lamang ng 1.3 percent sa ating national budget. Yun namang budget na yan ay napakaliit. Kung papalakihin natin yan, hindi naman tayo masyadong mamomroblema sa aspetong ito. Nag-aaway tayo sa isang bagay na naghahati lang sa ating bansa. Mas maganda na kalimutan na natin yan at i-siguraduhin lang natin na umangat ang kalagayan nitong 90 million na ito.
Q: Kung maging presidente kayo, will you make artificial contraceptives available to the masa?
A: Kung anong batas, yun ang ating susundin kasi kapag ka sinabi mo yan, kailangan i–ipasa mo muna yung batas.
http://verafiles.org/index.php/first-person/362-villar-filipinos-love-traditional-politicians-qaa?start=2
October 18, 2009 at 8:23 pm
james from pasig,
in fairness, villar was safe in answering the question but he did not really specify his answer. When Villar said 90 million is a fact and there’s an advantage, the media should have asked the following questions: ( employment purposes)
1. what policy or strategies your administration should execute and implement so that the 90 million will become productive in terms of employment if you become the president?
2. Are you going to continue the current administration’s policy to send more filipino servants overseas and let Mary Magdelene marry Old Joe?
3. Are you going to open the country to attract foreign direct investment that may employ our local people?
October 18, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Siguro, malapit na rin na magkakaroon ng mahabang interview si Noynoy, gagayahin si Villar. Matanong din sana, kung presidente ka, ano nga ba ang gagawin mo.
October 18, 2009 at 11:39 pm
james from pasig,
i’m not a candidate but a citizen. you are asking me a question not intended for me. There’s a difference between EXPECTED duty of a candidate and EXPECTED duty of a citizen. The former answers the questions and the latter asks the questions.
October 18, 2009 at 11:49 pm
I meant to write… “Para matanong din sana si NoyNoy, kung presidente ka, ano nga ba ang gagawin mo?”
October 19, 2009 at 1:09 am
How can you say they are the same! EXPLAIN!!! :) Very far from your own assessment.
October 20, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Pwede bang magpagawa kami ni GabbyD ng t-shirt na nakalagay I HEART NOYNOY and KRIS?
October 18, 2009 at 4:23 pm
@GabbyD
I don’t think very highly of people who are very emotional, yes. Na-co-cornihan ako sa kanila. When you are emotional, you don’t use your better judgement. This applies to any situation not just Noynoy.
I will let you in on something. I don’t think that those who doubt Noynoy’s credibility are annoyed at Noynoy per se. I think they are more annoyed at his supporters because his supporters are highly emotionally charged. It’s like they are not thinking at all.
With the sequence of events I enumerated to you, you can see that it didn’t matter to his supporters that:
•He wasn’t even planning on running for president. Gees, it didn’t even enter his head until someone put the idea in his head.
•He doesn’t even have any concrete plans for the future.
•His performance as a senator is lackluster.
What is more important to his supporters is the fact that:
•Noynoy is the son of Cory and Ninoy (and the sister of Kris.
•Noynoy prays a lot.
I would have admired Noynoy more if he:
•Said no to the emotional blackmail from his supporters because I would conclude that he is the type of guy who couldn’t be bullied into something he is not ready for.
•Had he said no, he would have been more compassionate in my view because this would mean that he has taken into consideration, the fact the his long-time friend Mar, who has been blatant about running for the presidency and the one who has more of an idea of what he plans to do. When he said yes, to me it looked like he had a rock-star syndrome because he was blinded by the chanting of the crowd and had no qualms about dashing someone else’s dream.
•Considering that Mar is from the same team, how come he couldn’t just run as his vice-president instead?
Again, I am not anti-Noynoy. I am anti-irrational behaviour.
October 18, 2009 at 4:47 pm
For me, emotional people are dangerous, because you don’t know what crazy things they’ll do during their emotional high.
October 18, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Chino said:
For me, emotional people are dangerous, because you don’t know what crazy things they’ll do during their emotional high.
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hehehehe… nice.
October 19, 2009 at 11:01 am
People who are not emotional are either wooden people, or, frigid, ahayhehehe.
October 19, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Hmmm, for me, better wooden than a woodie who incessantly likes sex with women and unwittingly fathers eighteen through four women, none of them wives. Nyahahahaha.
October 20, 2009 at 12:22 am
ey chino… did you mean that emotional people do stupid things? hehehehe…
October 20, 2009 at 2:48 pm
ay..i forgot to add that people who are not emotional could be also…impotent, ahay again, hehehehe.
October 20, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Chino F, “woodie” is over-emotional he forgot to wear condom everytime, ahaaaay, hehehehe.
October 21, 2009 at 3:50 pm
“For me, emotional people are dangerous, because you don’t know what crazy things they’ll do during their emotional high.”-Chino F
Not to worry, Chino F. The worse that could happen during emotional people’s emotional high is a moaning sound with an “ahh, ahhhh, yes, yes, Yeeees!”. ahahaaay, hehehehehe.
October 18, 2009 at 8:07 pm
thanks for sharing your feelings about noy’s supporters. i have little to add, except that we all have different beliefs on what is “enough” to support a person to run. also, every bullet point that u’ve raised can be viewed in a more favorable light.
i still believe however, that when the date comes, the manner in which a candidate defends his platform/ideas/vision will determine whether he gets our vote or not. noynoy has a lot to prove.
now about noynoy’s behavior:
1) if he thought about running, and honestly thought he wasnt ready, but said yes anyways, THEN thats is a big problem. you believe that this is a man who can be bullied. if true, then dont vote for him. if you think he can be bullied, then u trully think very little of him, and no matter what he does between now and may, you will never vote for him.
2) you seem to believe that mar himself was bullied into submission by noynoy. again, this is a cynical view to a person whom you said has “plans”. IF mar was bullied, you shouldnt vote for mar either.
now, there is a far less cynical interpretation, an interpretation that will cast the men as not easily bullied…
what is this interpretation? we take their words as sincere descriptions of what they are really thinking. when mar stepped down, its coz he said noy is the better choice, and the correct one to present a unified LP.
its less exciting, but it could be true.
October 18, 2009 at 11:09 pm
I think Mar stepped down because he realized what Edgardo Roces and others saw — excitement about Noynoy. Noynoy was more winnable.
October 19, 2009 at 3:30 am
That term “Emotional Blackmail” too… “If you don’t do what I want, I’ll make your life a living hell.” It is so common in the Philippine setting, even among family issues, isn’t it?
October 19, 2009 at 9:51 am
… and the virtual and imagined majority where me, my dogs and my neighbors’ dogs are not included. We’ve never done such “emotional blackmail”. I’m just a minority… huhuhu.
October 19, 2009 at 7:43 am
Actually Mr. Awie, what you say above highlights the very point that critics of Noynoy and other politicians making a traditional pitch at voters’ eyeballs are trying to bring across to you guys.
With bozos like Noynoy, it’s all about visual cues that appeal to emotion — the colour yellow, the “laban” hand gesture, those quaint yellow ribbons, images of that 1986 “revolution”, etcetera, etcetera.
It’s stuff that people “see”. But then when you try to look beyond the colour, gloss, and dramatic icons and images and try to look for real meaning and substance, all you get is, well, “To see is to believe.”
Well, ok, I “see” all that. But then for me to “believe”, why don’t you guys tell us what to believe in. Kindly articulate precisely what it is we should “believe” in?
To give credit to religion, at least those belief systems have a body of scrtipture and literature upon which people’s beliefs can be built upon.
Where is Noynoy’s articulation of what he wants his followers to “believe” in, dude?
You can refer to a sample of how one could come up with such an articulation right here. And you will find that such an articulation can be developed in four easy steps.
How hard can it be, dude? Ask your boss that question and then come back to this forum and tell us what he thinks.
October 19, 2009 at 12:41 pm
bakit ka nagmamadali B0?
dont u believe that noynoy will issue a detailed plan? when he is an official candidate? during the campaign period — which by the way, is NEXT YEAR.
October 19, 2009 at 8:50 pm
GabbyD:
Noynoy’s handlers want the cake and eat it too.
They will claim, there is no need for a platform because it is not campaign period, yet.
However, they are already campaigning.
And for a campaign that’s supposedly running on HONESTY, the Aquino campaign is OUTRIGHT DISHONEST.
October 20, 2009 at 6:01 am
it bothers me that the campaign manager of Noynoy was allowed to publish the website lacking the details and asking people for an avatar plus the Common theme is yellow. The website is not marketable yet. Delegating task and appointing people to create a website with a competitive advantage over the other candidate is a skill required in leadership. In reality, it’s like appointing and finding an executive to lead a department in charge of marketing the Philippines to attract foreign investors. ( for example)
Still backward in my view…
October 19, 2009 at 11:02 am
I don’t think the “winnability” attached to Nonoy Aquino is some specious irrational whim. I think it is the culmination of a generation of frustration. Since the good-heart and general . . . ummm, not incompetence, but, say, lack of dynamic leadership . . . of Cory Aquino, the nation has been saddled with corruption, scandals, life-wasting disasters, and incompetence. People would prefer good heart and lack of dynamism to outright theft, scandal, and Manila flowing out to sea on swollen rivers or a flood of debt.
There are no perfect candidates. There seldom are, US, Philippines, makes no difference. Under the relentless glare of opponent sniping, every pimple becomes a cancer, every cough a case of swine flu.
Villar and construction favoritism, Erap and binges, Gordon and tears, Teodoro and rubber boats, Noynoy and Hacienda Luisita, and everyone else so nationally small they don’t make the radar screen.
Character, capability, intent. Without character, you can guess that capability and intent will be focused on self-enrichment first and public good second. For me, at this early posturing stage, that strikes Villar and Erap and leaves Aquino, Gordon, Teodoro and somewhere among the hidden, Perlas.
Gordon has displayed the opposite of stature the past couple of months, advocating tourism for terrorist regions and weeping all over my TV screen, and Teodoro collapsed on “capability” given that he has been in charge of disaster planning for years, and clearly failed Manila.
So I figure winnability founded on character is “in the lead” at this early stage.
I would like to know why Perlas cannot even make the radar screen, given that he has a strong platform. Is it weakness in the candidate, or simply that he does not have the rich backing that others enjoy?
Beyond that, I would simply say beware those who sling slime rather than propound solutions or advocate a candidate forthrightly.
Joe
October 19, 2009 at 1:01 pm
The problem is Joe, it is so obvious that Noynoy supporters are just trying to emulate the Obama fever during the US presidential election. Even with Obama being an intelligent and charismatic man, he still turned out to be just another politician, what more Noynoy who’s not even intelligent and charismatic
October 20, 2009 at 3:04 am
Ilda,
I’m not sure I agree that it is an attempt to emulate Obama. It is an attempt to follow through on the outpouring of emotion surrounding the death of his mother.
I don’t know Mr. Aquino as well as you seem to (“not even intelligent or charismatic”). I see intelligence in his approach to listen to what people are saying, rather than preaching as if he knew everything. I see strength in his humility; beats the false strength of pompous righteousness any day. Charisma is not substance, I think, and is irrelevant.
I think I will watch him a while, carefully.
I further disagree with your assessment that President Obama “turned out to be just another politician”. He is an exceptional man working within a political system that assures certain limitations and complaints.
You must be a very hard person to satisfy. Who in history, on your capability meter, meets your standards?
Joe
October 19, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I would like to know why Perlas cannot even make the radar screen, given that he has a strong platform. Is it weakness in the candidate, or simply that he does not have the rich backing that others enjoy?
I totally agree with you there. It surprised me that a solid candidate like Nick is not being given enough attention (I didn’t even know his name as a presidential candidate until his name cropped up in FV). He’s got a solid platform, vision/philosophy, and proven performance/results to boot. Even though I’m not rooting for him, he’s got his priorities covered.
Rich backing, showbiz connections, exposure. This is enough for old-thinking politicians simply aiming to grab the majority.
October 19, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Perlas can’t be as strong an embodiment of the opposition as Noynoy. Basically, I see Noynoy as a strong figurehead because of his pedigree platform. And the common people don’t care whether their candidate is a solid performer or a mere figurehead. They just want opposition to GMA, period.
October 19, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Hmm, after doing a bit more research, I’m getting to like Perlas. If he does run, I might choose this guy first.
October 19, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Hi Chino…
I would rather go for Amay Bisaya. hehehehe…
Tsers!!!
October 19, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Nyahaha. Old stayl pa rin yun.
Why not Madame Auring, she knows the future of our country? Bwahahaha
October 20, 2009 at 12:29 am
@ chino…
madame auring is a CEO in a true sense of the word (or the title). she’s better than anyone who doesn’t have any experience in running any anything… such as a beauty parlor. hehehe…
Tsers!
October 20, 2009 at 2:07 am
Joe,
When the market prefers “gut-based/winnability-based/emotional buttons-based” decision making, Perlas will be a crawfish in a sea teeming with sharks. The powerbrokers money will be on the “winnable” candidates.
Also, powerbrokers are a bit concerned that a Perlas platform will bring genuine change and redistribute wealth. I will not be surprised if Perlas gets labelled as socialist if his scores picks up.
October 19, 2009 at 11:41 am
@GabbyD
But that’s exactly what happened GabbyD. What makes you think he is ready anyway?
Why is he the better choice? Because he is the son of Cory and Ninoy? Because he prays?
You are not making any sense to me.
October 19, 2009 at 12:39 pm
when i wrote: “if he thought about running, and honestly thought he wasnt ready, but said yes anyways, THEN thats is a big problem”, i meant that if u truly believed that he said yes, despite himself not believing he is ready, that is he is lying to himself, then thats a big problem.
but you have to believe that noynoy LIES TO HIMSELF, that he doesnt believe he is ready.
my own opinion about noynoy’s readiness is beside the point.
your statement here ["But that’s exactly what happened GabbyD"] rests on a strange pyschological problem on noynoy’s part. a problem which very unlikely exits.
let me put it another way: why cant we take noynoy’s words at face value?
when i wrote: “when mar stepped down, its coz he said noy is the better choice, and the correct one to present a unified LP” i was referring to what mar himself said.
these are HIS words, HIS beliefs. what i am proposing is to take his words at face value.
in other words, maybe mar isnt lying.
October 19, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Oh so you are proposing to take a politician’s words at face value? For more than a year, everyone at LP (except the Atienza wing) thinks that Mar is the right choice.Then the mother dies and all of a sudden, Noynoy becomes presidential timbre?
October 19, 2009 at 7:05 pm
yup danny, heres the thing…
if you believe mar lied, and gave up a fight for the LP nomination for anything else but what he said, then you have to come up with an alternative story.
the problem is that there is no alternative story that ends with mar smelling good.
October 19, 2009 at 8:03 pm
You are right, Gabby. The real reason stinks to high heavens if Mar would be honest about it. Despite spending millions of pesos on ads in all media front, despite going down to the level of the gutter with his language just to appear maka-masa, despite using his proposal, engagement, and future marriage as political weapon, he is still in the cellar survey wise. He just used the resurgence of the yellow crowd as opportunity to save face and padyak his way down to the VP.
Still, all that has nothing to do with Noynoys capability to run this country. Do you honestly believe, that just because his mother dies, there is a corresponding improvement in his inherent abilities. There is no connect no matter where you look at it except with your emotions.
October 19, 2009 at 8:12 pm
BTW, Nick, I shared the link to this article and that of MCB in my FB account. I hope you and the writers of these articles will not mind.
October 19, 2009 at 11:56 am
Benigno,
Have you finished your platform already?
You keep asking “What’s next?” So what is next for you after the elections?
Unless you know something I don’t about the elections next year; there will be a new President whether with a platform or not.
Maybe he/she is to your liking; maybe he/she’s not.
Just in case he/she isn’t; what’s next for you?
To everyone,
Should someone not your choice is elected President, what’s next?
As for me; since I’m planning to come out with a revised version of specific issues (definitely before the elections) that any well meaning President may decide to pursue, I’ll likely continue to advocate them unless convinced that they are unsound.
October 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm
go for it JL. i look forward to debating it.
October 19, 2009 at 9:17 pm
jl:
it is a foregone conclusion that there is a new president.
it is a foregone conclusion that you get the same results (crappy governance) when you use the same old methods (vote by gut, vote based on winnability, vote based on personalities).
Advocating that politicians provide a platform is an attempt to not succumb to the old methods (vote by gut, vote based on winnability, vote based on personalities) in order to achieve different results.
That’s all there is to it.
October 20, 2009 at 2:19 am
GabbyD,
Well hopefully soon then.
BongV,
I think I’ve said before that I too am hoping to see their platforms.
But I think I also implied that in previous elections when I believed platforms were lacking in details; I went further, on my own to try to fill the gaps.
But like I implied again in a post in a previous article, for this election I will not wait to be disappointed in the candidates’ platforms so I will come out with a revised version of what I have put out in the past. And I shall likely continue to advocate those issues even after the elections unless convinced that they are unsound.
And so this is yet again where we go different paths. I already told you my plans after the elections. And you already told me yours.
October 20, 2009 at 3:05 am
jl:
platform plez is an election-time advocacy that aims to:
1 – make people aware of viable and relevant platforms in contrast to motherhood statements and platitudes being presented as “platforms”.
2 – within the context of platforms, encourage people to examine the reasons for selecting a candidate, whether said reasons are enough or leaves room to be desired.
we have our respective advocacies which we sustainably engage in – before, during, and after elections. i refrain however from mentioning my advocacies in order to minimize the possibilities of dragging the organizations i work with into my online bulsyetan :)
October 20, 2009 at 3:47 pm
BongV,
I apologize for what my last statement implies.
October 21, 2009 at 3:38 am
BongV,
Interesting.
I could swear that there wasn’t a 3:05 AM post from you yesterday when I apologized that afternoon.
But nevertheless my apology still holds.
Anyway,
Ben Kritz is not actually intending to run for President.
Nicanor Perlas and Noel Aguirre actually intend to run for President.
Ben Kritz has a sample platform included in “Platform plez.”
Yet from July 24 till the last time that “Platform plez” was updated on October 13, 2009; the platforms of Nicanor Perlas and that of Noel Aguirre have never been included.
Not Benigno (who interestingly enough points to only the topmost portion of “Platform plez” as a sample of what a real plan to govern looks like), not Ben Kritz, not you, and NOT EVEN ANYONE here who has continually pressed for a platform has bothered to even copy paste Perlas’ and Aguirre’s platform into “Platform plez”.
If people like you strongly believe in aims 1) and 2); why haven’t anyone of you included Perlas’ and Aguirre’s platform in “Platform plez”?
October 21, 2009 at 3:51 am
jl:
i already have a copy of perlas platform.
this is the first time i have heard of a noel aguirre.
as to the matrix – my understanding is it is a sampler which highlights the frontrunners – and points out that the frontrunnners do not have a platform.
October 21, 2009 at 3:53 am
jl:
no harm done, apology not needed.
i do understand where you are coming from – and the comment was apropo.
October 21, 2009 at 6:14 am
Don’t worry dude. I’ll get on to it. Stay tuned!
October 22, 2009 at 7:19 am
BongV,
Much obliged then.
I saw his ad in a forum with a link to his site. Benigno made a post afterwards so it’s likely Benigno knows the existence of this guy.
Which however doesn’t explain why Ben Kritz’s platform is there while Perlas’ previously wasn’t there. I saw the updated “Platform plez” and Aguirre’s isn’t there yet though.
October 19, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I applaud manuelbuencamino and Noynoy supporters in their defense of their ideal candidate. But you can’t deny that a platform is a basic requirement. Its not only a a bunch of statements but a person’s philosophy, ideals, plans, vision for the country. Even before any Filipino even runs for public office he should already have visions (as a Filipino citizen) for the country, in their mind they already have some path towards a goal in improving his country. Even ordinary bloggers like benign0 in his anti-pinoy campaign (which I see as having too many negative premises) has visions for improving his country.
With all his effort going around the country and making public appearances, it surprises people here that he cannot sit down, think-hard and write concrete plans for the country.
You cannot even put a lot of stake into the “hope” for him. When Erap was overthrown, we had a lot of hope for Gloria (anti-corruption platform again?). We want leaders not demagogues in whom Noynoy is suspect.
I wouldn’t criticize him too much for not having one right now, but for him (and his party) to go around creating so much buzz. Doesn’t that make him suspicious? Demagogueness
October 19, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Agree. But, Edward, who’s our better alternative to Noynoy? And, can we do anything about it? Let’s not forget that Gloria was clean before she became president. What’s the best solution?
Is there a solution to our political quagmire better than crossing our fingers?
October 19, 2009 at 5:28 pm
@Bert,
Even if you’ve already decided on who you’re voting for, you shouldn’t rest on your laurels. You should still demand excellence from him/her. The moment you let Noynoy know that there is no other alternative than him, then he will feel indispensable and will have nothing to prove anymore.
With the love and support coming his way at the moment, he can basically just sit in the office and twiddle his thumbs because his supporters are satisfied with his past performance and are not expecting anything brilliant from him anyway.
October 19, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Yes, Ilda. And please, don’t stare at me like that because my heart is palpitating. I belong to the emotional type, you see, as you rightly guessed.
October 19, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Let’s not forget that as VP, Gloria lied that she was not running for President – in public. A portent of things to come.
Due diligence dude.
October 20, 2009 at 4:35 pm
So BongV, if I do my due diligence now, that double talk about giving away Luisita to beneficiaries, is a portent of things to come?
October 20, 2009 at 10:20 pm
@Bert
That would make the argument more convincing since Gloria was a natural deceiver transforming from the popular choice to one of the worse in history. Even adding stigma to our benevolent EDSA people-power revolution.
My answer would probably be that we should be more vigilant in selecting our leader seeing if they can stand against severe scrutiny. I think the solid one so far could be Nick. (as opposed to my other post. Saw him in GNN the other day asking input from socialists). But it’s still a constant battle.
October 20, 2009 at 8:06 am
@Joe
I hate to do this to you Joe but if there is anyone here who can take it like a man, that’s you. So, here goes:
First, let me just say that your second sentence already confirms that his supporters are just too emotional and have no other basis in supporting him other than what you said.
Second, if you are in a social networking site like Facebook for example, you can pretty much tell that the type of Filipinos in the Phils who were chanting Obama (as if they were qualified to vote in the US) are the same people who are now supporting Noynoy. Filipinos always try to emulate what is happening in the US. Why do you think they voted Erap the actor? It’s because Ronald Reagan the actor was voted into office.
Why do you say the above when in fact, if you take away Obama’s charisma, he would just be like any other intelligent man out there? It won him the presidency and a Nobel peace prize. Charisma is very relevant in politics. Clinton got away with a lot of stuff due to his charisma. Blair had charisma. Hillary Clinton didn’t have charisma.
It’s so lame that your only basis of saying that Noynoy is intelligent is his approach to listen to what people are saying. I work for a big organisation, I know why I like some of the big bosses around me especially my boss (even though he spends a lot of time on the net), it’s because when you approach him about something, even though he is not very familiar with the nitty-gritty of the operational side of things, he is very decisive. He can look at the big picture and make me realise what the team has done wrong. That’s leadership for you.
There are born leaders and there are born followers. When you’re a born follower, you just want to follow orders. When you’re a born leader, you don’t want to be bothered with the small details, you just want results. You tell people what to do no matter how hard it is to be done and they show you the results. Noynoy clearly has no idea what to do, yet.
There is no question about Obama’s audacity. Just like the Noynoy situation, I am more annoyed at the majority of Obama’s supporters because they treat him like a rock star. He’s got a celebrity image now especially with his appearance on shows like David Letterman. People also put too much emphasis on the fact that he is black. Take away the skin colour and he is just any other man and any other politician.
As to who passes my capability standards, let’s keep it a secret for now. You can either see me as someone very hard to satisfy or someone very easy to satisfy depending on your standards.
October 20, 2009 at 8:28 am
Ilda,
And if anyone can kick ass like an intelligent woman, it is you.
I find very little to bicker about, frankly, and find the logic behind your opinions to be upstanding as usual. The only disagreement I have is with Obama. If he is ordinary, we have been saddled with some real yahoos during my life-time, from cowboys to connivers, golfers to sex addicts, warmongers to wimps. For he has single-handedly stopped a worldwide economic crash, tempered global disgust with Americans, put the US back into position of responsibility on global warming and the UN, got health care onto the table (do you realize how many have tried and failed), taken the US and Russia back from the brink of another cold war, and found time for his family and church.
Joe
October 20, 2009 at 8:56 am
That’s intelligence combined with charisma at work.
As I said, it is his supporters who are doing him a disservice sometimes like that Church Minister who was making a case that the election is all about race. And also those who gave him a pre-mature peace prize. If they gave it four years from now maybe some people wouldn’t have a problem with it but to give it less than a year in office, I don’t know…
So, Noynoy’s supporters should back off a little and let him prove himself first.
October 20, 2009 at 11:52 am
I hate to agree with you Ilda because, we, the “minority” share the same analysis. Baka sabihin we belong to a “mutal (non)admiration society”. We are at the era of a Goebblean mode of journalism. What we hear on the newspaper, see on the radio and listen to on the boobtube are da trut and nothing but da trut… “repeated lies become truth”. I’m not saying that what appears in the tri-media are all lies but most of them are either half-baked or over sensationalized. Look at how most of our dearest media practitioners mold the perception of the viewers, readers and listeners on the Noynoy phenomenon. Magagaling ang spin doctors nya. Sobrang galing!!!
October 20, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Ilda,
The Nobel award was ostensibly for Mr. Obama’s “intent” as much as his completed tasks. For those writing here and demanding platform, the award should be seen as an endorsement of their calls for a clear commitment to action. The Nobel committee nominated Obama 12 days after his inauguration and spent the early part of the year watching him follow through on what he said he would do, seeing the tangible reduction of tension in Latin America (Cuba), Europe (end of an era of misguided US unilateralism), Russia (those stupid missiles) and a balanced approach in the Middle East that embraced Islam (the Cairo speech) and did not turn a blind eye toward Israel’s obstinacy.
Mr. Obama is one of those rare political animals who says what he means and means what he says. It is also worth noting that any one of the accomplishments I noted in my prior comment would be a good achievement for an entire term for an “ordinary” president. That part of him would be good for Mr. Aquino to emulate.
History will be the judge, of that we can surely agree. I am convinced already that President Obama is a supremely capable president. Skeptics, blind folks and enemies of democratic ideals may not see this clearly, many being blinded by striking sound bites and perverse Republican bitterness. But I’m pleased to be able to watch a master in action, real time, without reservation. It is inspiring . . . truly uplifting . . .
Joe
October 20, 2009 at 6:10 pm
@Jet
Too right!
@Joe
You mentioned so many things that you apparently think that Obama has already finalised. I don’t agree with you on most of them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not the type of person who listens to sounds bites from republicans; I form my own opinions about him myself. I sincerely think that Bill Clinton did more brokering between Israel and the Palestinians during his tenure in the white house. And the US is still in recession last I heard. And not to mention, there is still no resolution to their health care; there are still so many Americans who are not happy with it. It’s just so funny that he was given an award partly for his “intent” to fix things up.
But anyway, we are going way off Noynoy here. Just to bring us back to the subject, since Obama got an award for his “intent”, this should serve as an example to all the Phil presidential candidates including Noynoy that having a platform alone can win you a Nobel Peace Prize.
October 20, 2009 at 11:01 pm
@ Joe
I also heard we’re still on a crisis. The dollar is in danger of being scrapped as global currency.
As much as I want to believe that the U.S. government sincerely wants to stop global warming, I remain suspicious that the U.S. gov’t just dropped the climate change card as a deterrent to the growth of economic giant China (now leading emissions). For 50 years the Allies remained hum about the global issue being the top two contributors. Now they act as heroes and not as to undo the damage they have done.
Obama remains so far only as figurehead in pushing for renewed positive outlook for the tainted image of the U.S. The Nobel Prize was I think political. Still stuck in two wars. A 2nd Cold War is just around the corner (Ukraine missile defense). Harassing Iran. The U.S. is still far from being viewed positively even from the perspective of its own citizens at home.
October 21, 2009 at 8:10 am
Ilda,
I note that Filipinos in the US tend to spout standard Republican thinking, which I find interesting. I suppose they have a “free market” point of view, an “I can make it for myself” mentality rather than the social empathy for the American masses that influences the Democratic line of thinking.
The economy goes forever and has no finite ending point at which you can say “Obama’s job is finished”; he can get his award now. My stock portfolio is finite, and up 81% since April. Obama had to insert himself into the economic crash in December, before he took office, because GW was totally impotent at stopping the collapse, which, among other things, was a crisis of confidence. How people can candidly ignore Obama’s dramatic panic-stopping achievement is beyond me, or how they can lay the recession and unemployment in Obama’s lap. I hate the word disingenuous, but this defines it.
Ending the controversial missile defense system was finite. The relationship with Russia changed overnight.
His multi-lateral global approach is a campaign commitment, fulfilled. The engagement of China and Russia on North Korea and Iran was something Bush had wanted for years, but he could not carry it off. Finite, done deal, under Obama. They are engaged. That Iran and North Korea remain recalcitrant is irrelevant. The Nobel was for multilateral intent and accomplishment.
There is a self-serving motive to the the Republican failure forthrightly to acknowledge Obama’s accomplishments. I understand that. They build themselves up by tearing him down. Well, they think they do; I rather think they undermine their own dignity.
As for the Nobel being premature or political, as some claim . . . well, I went on line to see who makes up the committee. One man and four women representing various Norwegian political perspectives; all older, educated people. Presumably wise but, yes, with perspectives shaped by their country, culture and desires. Old Europe perhaps. I laugh when I think about the critics having the opportunity to sit face to face with these dignified people and judge their thinking as “premature or political or wrong”. Somehow, I think the critics would shrink back into the luxurious chairs and their critical words would evaporate in the reality of respect for the high-minded thinking and good intent of a small group of people who, if they grind axes, do it for the right reasons.
Indeed, the subject here is Aquino. The relevance is that the harder you argue against him, the more I look favorably to him, because I can detect the same political tendencies to your critiques. An innate blindness toward achievement, or in Aquino’s case, potential, I guess . . .
All we can go on in selecting a president is our perception of his potential. We should strive to peg it accurately I think, not politically.
Joe
October 21, 2009 at 8:25 am
Edward,
I wrote a rather lengthy commentary rebutting your off-the-wall remarks, but scrapped it. I suspect you are so locked into position that well-intentioned words would merely bounce off, unused. You are free to roam the world looking at things through fun-house mirrored glasses that warp, slant and disfigure reality to your liking.
Joe
October 20, 2009 at 7:27 pm
@Joe
Have a look at this thread:
http://antipinoy.com/noynoys-platform-http-404-file-not-found/
Notice the repeated reference of a certain Bayanihan to Obama. He keeps comparing Obama to Noynoy. This is further proof that Noynoy supporters are just trying to emulate the Obama fever.
October 20, 2009 at 12:15 pm
This thread has so far proven that it is really Noynoy’s supporters who are doing him a monumental disservice.
By loudly proclaiming their support for him but utterly failing to put up a convincing rationale to substantiate said support, they simply do nothing but subtract from his credibility as a viable leader of a nation.
Perhaps this is what Noynoy’s “supporters” should do:
(1) Stop speaking on his behalf and instead focus more on listening to what he has to say;
(2) By doing the above (Item 1) Noynoy may then notice that people are waiting for him to say something of substance; and as such,
(3) He will be encouraged to actually step up to, well, say something of substance.
October 20, 2009 at 1:33 pm
awie uploaded some videos about the potential politicians’ stand on governance. havent finished them yet, but they should contain some inkling as to what they are thinking policy-wise
October 20, 2009 at 3:30 pm
good for you gabby… now you have the comparative advantage. hehehe…
tsers gabi!
October 20, 2009 at 1:36 pm
i hate you benign0!!! i hate your synthesis… it ruins the fun… tsk.. tsk tsk…
teka meron naman syang mga motherhood statements sa website nya ah… hmmm… kaya lang nga kulang ng detalye… parang repetition ng sinabi ni cardinal sin at ng nanay nya… ni ramos… ni erap… ni gloria… pwede na ba yun for a substance?
baka kasi di maintindihan ang sinasabi mong substance… baka sabihin nagsashabu si noynoy… substance abuse yun.
pero seryosli (naks). i think this blog section needs to be wrapped up. we can’t reason on the context of nothingness…
October 20, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Nice to know that the Inquirer.net editor is now coming around to seeing things a bit more intelligently:
I think this should be extended to go further to say that Noynoy’s supporters also need to start focusing on substance instead of further propagating the kind of traditional thinking that retards intellectual growth in our society.
Supporting one’s politician does not end with simply wearing a shirt and waving whatever hand gesture is appropriate for the given personality or pedigree. supporting your politician should include engaging him/her intelligently and taking him/her to task. And to do so requires that said politician produce a clearly-articulated plan to govern.
This is a far better roadmap to prosperity than the kind of oratio imperata mumbo-jumbo that the other venerable pillar of Pinoy-style politics advocates.
The Pinoy electorate have it within themselves to muster the COURAGE to do something differently — by stepping up to raising the bar by which we evaluate and engage our politicians and hold them — and ourselves accountable for our own prosperity.
October 20, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Ayon sa Wikipedia “A party platform, also known as a manifesto, is a list of the actions which a political party supports in order to appeal to the general public for the purpose of having said party’s candidates voted into office. This often takes the form of a list of support for, or opposition to, controversial topics. Individual topics are often called planks of the platform.”
Kung gayon ang platform ni Noynoy ayon sa kanyang website ay “TANGGALIN ANG TIWALI. ITAMA ANG MALI. Corruption is the single biggest to our democracy. It deprives the poor of the social services they badly need. It destroys the very moral fiber of our society. No reform agenda will succeed without a determined program to radicate corruption. It is the business, not just of government, but of every Filipino to fight corruption”.
Mayroong ilan na naghahanap ng specifics sa platform. Sa higit na marami naman ay sapat na ang slogan cum platform na ito. Kaya naman ang popularidad o lamang ni Noynoy ay lumalaki. Patuloy ang pag-lamang niya sa mga survey. Kasi ba naman, ayaw na talaga ng tao sa corruption. Mabisa rin ang slogan na ito. Biruin mo ba namang nasapol nito ang kasalukuyang administrasyon pati na rin ang 2 pang (bagama’t tinatambakan na) katunggali (si Villar at Erap). Ano ang sagot nila rito?
Ang mga kalaban ba ni Noynoy ay nagsabi na lalabanan nila ang corruption? Hindi! Kasi mahirap kalabanin ang sarili, di ba? Dahil ba sa hindi nag-iisip ang mga taga-suporta ni Noynoy kaya kahit sa kawalan (pananaw lang naman ng iilan) ng specifics ay kay Noynoy pa rin tayo? Lalong hindi. Tayo nga ang nag-iisip. At naniniwala na corruption ang ugat ng problema. Ngayon sa mga nag-aakalang hindi corruption ang ugat, hindi talaga sila maniniwala sa slogan na “TANGGALIN ANG TIWALI, ITAMA ANG MALI”. Marahil gusto nila na “ihalal ang tiwali.” Nag-iisip tayo, at kay Noynoy/Mar nandoon ang pag-asa (HOPE) na hindi natin makita sa iba.
Ayon ulit sa Wikipedia “A government platform is a political platform of a government. A new government, when entering office, lists their objectives to be accomplished while in office. Government platforms are especially important in coalition governments, where several parties with possibly conflicting political platforms agree on a compromise. The distinction between a party platform and a government platform may be blurred in countries where single parties often form governments, but the distinction is still significant.”
Maghintay lang tayo, kapag nanalo na si Noynoy, he will list his objectives to be accomplished while in office.
October 20, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Hope in what exactly?
October 20, 2009 at 3:35 pm
pssst… benigno… it refers to HOPE cigarette…
October 20, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Nah.
Corruption is merely a symptom of the more fundamental issue of our society being one that is low on trust.
As I wrote waaay back:
So don’t believe politicians who dish out tired old platitudes like he will “fight corruption” or will exercise “zero tolerance for corruption”.
Those vacuous motherhood statements merely beg more questions, most notably the how’s and what’s involved in those “fights”.
Better yet, refer to the top row of this matrix for a sample of what a real plan to govern looks like.
October 20, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Simple lang. We see in Ninoy/Mar the hope that things will be better, the hope that their new politics will cleanse the ills of the government.
At least you consider corruption as a symptom. Transparency International lists the Philippines among the worst in its index. Stopping corruption for starters, whether is just syptomatic of a deeper ill, is alright with me. Who among the candidates has promised that?
If we speak of trust, who among the candidates enjoy the people’s trust? Erap, a pardoned convict, enjoys higher trust ratings that GMA. Noynoy, as indicated by his lead in the surveys, clearly is the most trusted out there. If you are referring to the people’s lack of trust in the institutions, a trusted leader leading by example will restore that trust. The problem with the current administration, Erap, and Villar, is they all trusted that they can get away with whatever they did. Ngayong nabuking sila, wala ng trust ang tao sa kanila.
Also, Noynoy’s ‘tanggalin ang tiwali. itama ang mali’ at this stage can hardly be judged stifling the symptom. Let Noynoy do his thing. Trust me he’s better than the rest.
October 20, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Better in what way exactly?
October 20, 2009 at 7:49 pm
ey pheri…
Oki piri… serious mode din ako… mag i inglis din ako… kala mo kaw lang ha… hehehe… I’d be beri beri obgiktib about it.
Chan Robles Virtual Library has listed about twenty two (22) laws mandated by the elected presidents from the time of Ferdinand Marcos to Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. These are laws creating new offices such as the Ombudsman Act of 1989 (RA 6770); strengthening of functions and jurisdiction of existing juridical agencies like the Act of to Strengthen the Functional and Structural Organization of the Sandigan Bayan (RA 7975); and defining or amending rules of conducts of government officials such as Code of Conduct and Ethical Standards of Public Officials and Employees (RA 6713).
In terms of national policies and economic development plan, the current Gloria Macapagal Arroyo administration placed graft and corruption as one of the major line items to be addressed in the “Medium Term Development Plan 2004-2010” (NEDA, 2004). Presidents on the post-martial-law period from Corazon Aquino, Fidel Ramos to Joseph Ejercito Estrada made the same policy directions on graft and corruption and without looking at their development plans, these presidential mandates reflects their policy directions (on graft and corruption).
ngayon ang tahnung pheri… what’s he ganna do about the issue of graft and corruption… given these set of laws rules and regulations… since he is an economist/legislator… what is his policy direction? will he create another ombudsman, sandigan bayan, pacc?
he is on the right track to choose those kind of motherhood statement… just like her mom more than two decades ago. these are just problem definitions where which are obvious and evident… we’re still left worst off after her mom… after ramos… after erap… most likely after gloria… His is like Koffi Anans statement in one of the UN’s conference.
“Corruption hurts the poor disproportionately by diverting funds intended for development, undermining a Government’s ability to provide basic services, feeding inequality and injustice and discouraging foreign aid and investment. Corruption is a key element in economic underperformance and a major obstacle to poverty alleviation and development.“
mavulaklak na words papa pheri… hanggang dun na lang yun… hanggang matronik statements na lang.
tsers papa pheri.
October 20, 2009 at 3:23 pm
perih
ang sinasabi mong nakalagay sa website ang tinutukoy ko sa taas na “motherhood statements”. marami na ring nagsabi nyan. sa website ni noynoy din ang nakahighlight sa website na yun ay mga pag gawa ng avatar, mga heroes ng nakaraang ondoy. ngunit dapatapwa’t subalit, walang nakalagay na kung papaano nya titirahin ang corruption. ngayon kung ang reasoning na ginagawa pa o niluluto pa… tatanga na lang muna siguro tayong lahat hanggang mayari itong mga to.
ang graft and corruption na yan ay nabanggit na ng nanay nya sa mga speeches nya nuong unang mga araw ng kanyang panunungkulan. ilan pang mga presidente na sumunod sa nanay nya ang nagsabi na tatanggalin ang graft and corruption. pero hanggang ngayon ang perception pa rin ng tao at ng buong mundo ay corrupt pa rin ang pilipinas.
sino ba ang kalaban? ang sistema ba? ang mga oligarkong katulad ng angkan ng mga lopezes, coujuanco, tanjuatco o mga sumulong na pawang mga kamagnakan at mga “kapamilya nya”?
ako ba ang kalaban na hindi naniniwala na wala syang kakayahan na mamuno ng pilipinas dahil naging “fence sitter” sya sa issue ng agrarian reform habang mambabatas sya ng tarlac at ngayon ay senador. hindi ba dapat magkaroon sya ng isang madetalyeng salaysay kung paano nya paglilingkuran ang sambayanan na sinasabi ng mga “hindi kalaban” ni Noynoy na tumakbo sya. at ang “hindi kalaban” na ito ang tinuturing ni Noynoy na mayoridad.
wag na natin itong tawaging plataporma o tawagin na lang nating policy directions. sa kasalukuyan ang mga issues na ‘to ay dapat tinugon na nya nung nanggaling sya sa pink sisters at sumangguni kay apollo sa cebu.
October 20, 2009 at 8:53 pm
@Benign0,
Noynoy is better in the sense that he has not been involved in graft/corruption issues. If you stand on a platform of corruption eradication, you need a clean record.
Whether corruption is just a symptom or the real ill, it needs to be addressed. The sooner, the better. Which candidate with a realistic chance of getting elected can boast of the same? The Kapatiran group maybe, or Perlas. But given they are virtual unknowns, their hold on power will be tenuous, if they are ever elected.
@jethernandez,
GMA assumed power/was ‘elected’ before she issued those plans. FVR and Erap had presidential mandates (your words), ergo it means they were presidents already when
they made those policy directions. We are not even on the campaign stage. It is still very early on in the game. Let us not nitpick on perceived lack of platform (initially your demands) or detailed plan of action (now your new demands).
Yung mabulaklak na salita, hindi guilty sina Noynoy diyan. Ang galing sa website ni Noynoy ay simple lang. Hindi ito tila “tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” Madaling intindihin, Ingglis man o Pilipino. Hindi ito pa-cute o pa-bading na Pilipino, na lalong hindi maintindihan.
October 20, 2009 at 8:56 pm
perryh:
if one will just go by the absence of graft and corruption charges – perlas can match noynoy mano a mano.
not to mention achievements such as:
recently won the Manuel L. Quezon Award in recognition of his exemplary achievements as a Civil Society leader in the fields of Environmental Advocacy, Global Economic and Financial Management and Peace. Given on 21 August 2009.
won the Alternative Nobel Prize in 2003 “…for his outstanding efforts in educating civil society about the effects of corporate globalisation, and how alternatives to it can be implemented.
awarded The Global 500 Roll of Honour of the United Nations Environment Programme, the UNEP’s highest international award for environmental achievement
awarded The Outstanding Filipino award in the field of agriculture in 1994.
conferred the Fr. William F. Masterson S.J. Award by the academic institution for his outstanding work as an agriculturist and of his invaluable contribution towards sustainable and environment-friendly agriculture in 1995.
October 21, 2009 at 2:02 am
Way to go peri!!! Puso mo!!! Puso mo!!!
So far you’ve said nothing of substance. Still you are refering to the motherhood statements. Di ba sa UP pinagaaralan kung paano mag analyze according to context?
Di naman si Gloriang Unanong may Nunal sa Palaysyo na idol ni benigno ang pinag uusapan a. Yung graft and corruption na motherhood statement ni noynoy sa website ang sinasabi ko.
Do you know what the difference between form and substance? or rather… killing the messenger phrase?……. ewwwwwwwwww i’m dead.
October 21, 2009 at 2:18 am
boss tsip editor op pilipino boyses… i veg your indulgence. i li link ko lang sa peysbuk ko.
October 21, 2009 at 6:14 am
BongV,
I agree that Perlas has a clean slate. But at this point, he is still unknown to many. We need a leader that has a strong following, para hindi madaling ibagsak kung sakali.
JetHernandez,
OK pa ang puso ko. Nabanggit lang si GMA/FVR/Erap, dahil pinupunto ko na presidente na sila nang makapagbigay ng policy directions, ayon na rin sa sinabi mo.
Hindi lang naman sa UP itinuturo ang pag-aanalisa. Sumasagot lang naman ako sa pagpuna ng ilan sa form and substance ng kandidatura ng kandidato ko. Dati ko pa napagtanto na walang pagpapaliwanag ang maaring tanggapin ng ilan sa minorya (40% na paghahatian pa ng maraming kandidato) tungkol sa kandidatura ni Noynoy na suportado naman ng mayorya (60% ayon sa mga survey). Noon pa man ay alam naman natin magkakaganito, ngunit sa ispirito ng talakayan ay nagbigay tayo ng kuro-kuro. Hanggang umabot sa kung ano-anong metaphor, name-calling, alaskahan, at pikunan.
Tanggapin man ng iilan o hind, si Noynoy is a messenger of hope. Not unlike Obama. A few who do not like the message or prefer other carriers, want to kill the message, and the messenger. Ay metaphor na naman. Cheers ;)
October 21, 2009 at 11:20 am
papa pheri
kung ang survey ang paguusapan natin magpapaikot ikot lang tayo about that sexty porty reference point mo ng mga survey at yang mga cpi o corruption perception index na yan. kahit ma guinness book of world record o ibang international political analyst consultancies na ang pilipinas na pinakakorap ng bansa sa buong world, milky way universe i will not belib if da population and sampling of the respondents is just a point zero zero zero zero zero part of the population. that form of sampling is already nearing its obsolescence. pati yang kay mangahas na social weder weder survey medeling na yan na ginawa nung 1970… wala pang computer na nagrarandom sampling ng dalawang libong pilipino para makuha ang trend kabobohan na yan. pero sige… academics in the piripins just work on premise na walang magandang modeling tool to conduct the behaviour of the citizens on a particular issue kaya accepted na yang mga yan.
if you believe on these indicators, you do that… i will not take away your belief on the mangahas modeling tool.
ngayon… pheri… as to the form on how i write my thoughts and opinion… eto lang… i separate the messenger from the message… i concentrate more on the substance and the flow of ideas if there are any. i am comfortable in writing tagalish carabao that is sometimes perceived as bakya, bading, eklat… etc… by intellectuals, psuedo intellectuals and wannabe intellectuals. i am not comfortable in straight english shimply bekos i hate the mere fact that it’s been rammed up in our assess by the Americunts who’s done a lot of atrocities more than the Japanese.
It is not my intention to insult anyone here in the forum. Hindi kita pinutangina, tinawag na bakla, o pangit o maliit ang kung ano man. Lalong lalo nang hindi kita pinipikon. I learned the terms of endearment from the kanto na merong nagbebenta ng pisbol, kwekkwek, tokneneng, black gulaman at balot. For terms of endearment the words ser, bosing, boss tsip amo, brod, tol, pards, pare, madame, sexy, ganda, angkol (uncle), tito, kuya and PAHPAH are used together with po and opo.
—– enough with the form now with the substance
Pahpah pheri,
you stated hope, you refered us to the website with some hooplahs of noynoy on graft and corruption. Yan lang naman ang naman ang mga tinatanong ko. para masabi ko naman sa kaibigan kong barbero na mahilig makipagyakyakan sa politiko na magaling si noynoy dahil _________ pil in da blanks?
kung sasabihin ko sa barbero kong prend na sabi ni noynoy tanggalin daw nya ang corruption… e kung isagot sa akin ay… atsuuuuuuuuuu luma na yan… sinabi na rin yan ng nanay nya…
kung sasabihin ko sa barbero ko na sabi ng mga supporter nya na si noynoy ang HOPE ng taong bayan… e kung isagot sa akin ay… e nung panahon ng nanay nya yang pag-asa na yan na ihahon kaming mga anak pawis sa mahirap dahil sa diktadurang marcos e wala namang nangyari… hanggang ngayon nagtaas ang galunggong pati panddesal… anong hopia? pandesal? galunggong? Baka ibig sabihin jet ng mga supporter ni noynoy… HOPE ang sigarilyo nya kasi sabi ni Binay malakas daw manigarilyo si noynoy. mahirap yang sigarilyong yan… nakakakulangot.
ngayon pahpah peri… ang sabi mo maghintay na lang…
e di sige… sasabihin ko sa barbero ko… maghintay na lang kasi ginagawa pa.
e kung sabihin sa akin ng barbero ko na… “anak ng pitong kuba, meron bang kandidato no magsasabi lang ng tatakbo ako! tapos walang gagawing detalye?” delikado baka ma guinness book of world record na naman tayo jet.
pahpah peri… dito ka na lang magpagupit sa may amin para ma meet mo yung barberong sinasabi ko… ililibre kita basta gupit barbero lang… with matching smell of the nicotene habang nagsasalita sya… hehehehe… tsers papah pheri.
October 20, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Benigs,
The Inquirer editorial writer is of course correct in asking Noynoy to come up with a substantive platform, as you were very pleased to note. This should be a requirement for all prospective candidates; but the writer apparently does not see the need to dispense precious political advise to the others.
Indeed, a more close reading of the editorial would easily reveal that it is a thinly disguised series of ‘payo’ from a seasoned political observer. Apart from suggesting the creation of a DEMOCRATIC platform (as I was also very pleased to note), the writer cautions Noynoy against triumphalism and overconfidence early in the game, reminds him of the importance of party funding and machinery, advises him to undertake an image overhaul and chides him for ruffling the feathers of Cardinal Vidal (ostensibly because of the realpolitik concerning Church influence). Nothing wrong here, I believe. It is after all an opinion piece and we all have our biases.
I have to take exception, however, to the writer’s criticism of Noynoy’s forthright statements on the RH bill. An Obama-like balancing act is very hard here, but I think Noynoy should drop that (because he doesn’t have it in the first place) but instead adopt the Aquino trademark honesty (bordering on the taklesa in Kris’ case). It could only work in his favor. As for the Church influence, many observers have said that it is overblown. I tend to agree with them as surveys after surveys have shown that the people are for RH. Nothing can go wrong in the end if you are with the people. And I don’t think the Catholic hierarchy is monolithic. Witness the acceptance by the pro-Chacha Cardinal Vidal of the position of co-chair in the reconstruction commission after the anti-ChaCha (and anti-PGMA) Cardinal Rosales rejected the offer.
October 21, 2009 at 9:30 am
Dear Joe
You sound so emotional in your reply. Makes me conclude that the reason why you like Noynoy is because you are an emotional guy :o) …but I could be wrong.
First, I want to say that I am not in the US. Second, everything that you so eloquently said about Obama’s achievements could well be accomplished by someone else too other than Bush. I don’t mean to belittle his accomplishments as I can detect you are a die hard fan (another confirmation: Obama fan=Noynoy fan). As I said before, there is no denying his charisma which you were underestimating at some point. It’s sometimes his supporters that go overboard.
Going back to Noynoy, everybody’s got potential but where is the evidence in that in Noynoy? His supporters should give him a chance to show it. They already keep patting him on the back even without doing much. In Obama’s case, the potential is so blatantly obvious not like Noynoy. If you look at my simple sequence of events in reply to GabbyD, it is plain obvious that 1) He wasn’t even planning on running 2) Looks like he’ll be doing an on the job training. I fail see the similarities between Obama and Noynoy and you as a fan of Obama, should see that there is a very wide gap in terms of accomplishments and potential.
People should not put someone so high up on a pedestal because they might fall flat.
As I said before, It’s not really Noynoy per se that’s annoying, it’s actually the supporters who already give him the prize by just lifting the L finger.
October 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Ilda,
Ha, yes, I am an emotional guy and you are a reasoned reasoning woman. No need following stereotypes. I’ll write my poetry and you can run your business.
I am not “for” Aquino. I am against ruling him out for reasons I wish to confirm myself (not intelligent, no charisma). I have simply given him a “pass” check mark for Character. Now it is on to capability and intent (platform). Villar and Erap failed on character.
I think I am more inclined toward Perlas.
Delightful exchanging words with you.
Joe
October 21, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Anytime Joe.
October 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Mr. Paul Pasia,
Too bad you took the whole Wowowee-vs-Discovery analogy too literally and lost the plot altogether in the process, dude.
I beg to differ to your kasambahay example, too. The reality is we learn more from stories about successful people than from losers and stories of the lives of successful people are more interesting and inspiring than stories about the lives of losers. If that weren’t the case, then biographies about inhabitants of trailer parks and squatter areas would be making the bestseller lists alongside biographies of Andy Grove, Steven Jobs, Bill Gates, and Donald Trump.
I sometimes question why smart people are often admonished for “failing to reach” less smart people — as if society owes the less smart a dumbing down of smart stuff. Again, here is what is real: The onus really is on the less smart to step up and take the initiative to gain access to the kinds of stuff smart people occupy their minds with. I think there is already in place today far more initiative on the part of smart people to share their knowledge than initiative on the part of dumb people to acquire knowledge for themselves.
Worse, dumb people are constantly assured that they can be forgiven for their taste for Wowowee-type foods for thought.
As evident in forums like this, smart people apply a monumental effort to push their views into the mainstream. Do we see a commensurate effort on the part of dumb people to pull the same information into their sphere of thinking? To be fair, dumb people probably wouldn’t know the difference between good information and cr@p information, even if said difference was spelt out to them.
This thread itself is a testament to that sad reality.
October 22, 2009 at 7:36 am
Benign0 believes he is the ’smart’ one.
October 22, 2009 at 1:02 pm
a pat on his own back, as always.
November 4, 2009 at 5:03 am
mahirap ng pumili ng presidente.. i was born in cory’s time. then came Ramos, then estrada, then arroyo.. sa apat na yan. meron ng housewife na may integridad, merong Militar na diciplinarian, merong showbiz na sinabing “walang kamag-a-mag-anak”, merong economist na nagsabing “Hello Garci”at “I lied”. Sa 28 years ng buhay ko, wala akong nakitang magandang pagbabago sa Pilipinas. Maybe sa time ni Cory di ko pa masyadong naintindihan ang lahat. Pero palala yata ng palala ang sitwasyon.
So ano ba talaga ang kailangan ng pinas? Walang kwenta naman ang masyadong matalino kasi magnanakaw. Walang kwenta rin ang walang alam kasi di niya naman mapatakbo ng maayos ang Pilipinas. Naghahanap tayo ng HONEST?!? Sino ba sa mga presidentiables ang HONEST? Yung hindi magnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan. Pero kung boboto ka ng Honest na wala namang alam, baka di nia nlg mamalayan lumulubog na ang bansang pinapatakbo niya? Kung boboto ka naman ng mayamang gumagastos ng milyones para sa kampanya, eh baka sa kaban ng bayan nia babawiin ang ginastos nia? Sino ba talaga?
Hayz minsan iniisip ko, sana si Marcos na lang ulit ang presidente. Basta iba lang asawa niya. :p
November 4, 2009 at 5:05 am
mahirap ng pumili ng presidente.. i was born in cory’s time. then came Ramos, then estrada, then arroyo.. sa apat na yan. meron ng housewife na may integridad, merong Militar na diciplinarian, merong showbiz na sinabing “walang kamag-a-mag-anak”, merong economist na nagsabing “Hello Garci”at “I lied”. Sa 28 years ng buhay ko, wala akong nakitang magandang pagbabago sa Pilipinas. Maybe sa time ni Cory di ko pa masyadong naintindihan ang lahat. Pero palala yata ng palala ang sitwasyon.
So ano ba talaga ang kailangan ng pinas? Walang kwenta naman ang masyadong matalino kasi magnanakaw. Walang kwenta rin ang walang alam kasi di niya naman mapatakbo ng maayos ang Pilipinas. Naghahanap tayo ng HONEST?!? Sino ba sa mga presidentiables ang HONEST? Yung hindi magnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan. Pero kung boboto ka ng Honest na wala namang alam, baka di nia nlg mamalayan lumulubog na ang bansang pinapatakbo niya? Kung boboto ka naman ng mayamang gumagastos ng milyones para sa kampanya, eh baka sa kaban ng bayan nia babawiin ang ginastos nia? Sino ba talaga?
Hayz minsan iniisip ko, sana si Marcos na lang ulit ang presidente. Basta iba lang asawa niya. :p
December 2, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Just wanted all of you to know that Noynoy’s platform can be found on this site, http://noypipol.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/noynoy-aquino-platform. Check it out and be inspired!
December 5, 2009 at 1:48 am
It’s not a platform. It’s an insult to all Filipinos… checked it out…
# We have become divided and alienated, focusing only on ourselves and on our individual pursuits.
# Our moral faculties as a people have been paralyzed.
# We have retreated into a dark world of self-absorption and cynicism. Our collective despair has reached its lowest point.
It is a sweeping generalization that all Filipinos are basterds and immoral.
December 5, 2009 at 5:26 am
jethernandez,
The generalizations also apply to the US, and to Americans, and have threads of truth in them, as to the dysfunctions of society, that could stand some shoring up.
And there are a lot of kids of unwed parents running around in the Philippines, and a lot of immorality . . .
Though not applying to everyone, the weaknesses that lead to them could stand some attention.
Joe
December 8, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Dear Noynoy,
I am a retired senior citizen if you win as President would you be able to reverse all the mistakes of the previous administrations.
Such as:
1.SSS Retirement Benefit should on the option of the retiree and not the rule of SSS administration after all it is our money contributed wether to claim it as lumpsum, partial lumpsum with monthly pension or as
monthly pension. Added to that total amount of fund should be published and to include where they were invested and the interest they have gained and if there was a loss this has to be explained.
2.Government Agencies were charging unreasonable amount on processing individual documents during the Gloria administration ,have they pocketed all this money.
3. Why did they not channel Pagcors income to subsidies any increase in the price of oil, increase in electricity rates and increases in food prices anyway Pagcors income were generated by our people themselves.
4. No one noticed that the Road user Tax is in fact Double Taxation impose on our citizenry. BIR were collecting income taxes. These is to finance the construction of roads and bridges, hospitals, schools and most of all not to be used except for the welfare of our citizenry.
5. Our Government Agencies should address the needs of our citizens before media will initiate assistance.
6. Our government officials should be accountable in any anomally not merely sacked,transferred or resigned but be jailed.
I would support you to be our next President.
February 24, 2010 at 11:29 am
maraming problema naman talaga,
DENR, CBAO, DSWD, DPWH, LTO, GSIS, DECS, DOH to name a few.
itry nyong magdeal with REAL red tape, and youll be able to track down the real problems that need addressing in this country.
kahit road discipline palang e? lack of proper road signages (bec theyre so tiny and theyre placed exactly where the roads split)? from politico down to MMDA/police, kurakot kase. May pera ang gobyerno, may budget gumawa ng tamang size na signage, kaso ninanakaw ng mga tagaDPWH.
mag change man ng heads of govt ang bagong presidente, sana matrack down nila kung sino yung mga kurakot sa loob. (basically what @mario salanga said in #6)
Marami pang ibang problema na kailangan itackle & the first one among my choices who fearlessly addresses these problems will get my vote.
December 10, 2009 at 2:53 am
jet them judge noy2 for in the end what he’ fighting for ay alam nating lahat na yun din ang hangad natin…isang tunay na pagbabago…
December 10, 2009 at 2:33 pm
At paano naman tayo nakakasiguro na he’s fighting for our sake? Just look at what his mother did to exempt luisita from agrarian reform. You can call it stock distribution option or by any other name but it’s still an exemption. His mother was president while Peping his uncle was speaker of the house of representathieves when this happened.
December 10, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Ohhh, filipinos have realy short memories.And isn’t it said that those who don’t learn from the mistakes of the past are bound to repeat them?
December 10, 2009 at 3:08 pm
First he was bashed for not having a platform… now that he came up with one… people turned to his mother… poor Cory and Noynoy.
If one would listen to criticisms against Cory, one would think that she has not done a lot of good after ousting the Marcoses.
Yeah, people have short memories… short memories for the good things done.
December 12, 2009 at 11:51 am
If one would listen to criticisms against GMA, one would think that she has not done a lot of good after ousting the Erap. Hahaha.
January 12, 2010 at 12:13 am
The truth about Noynoy Aquino’s heroism under fire
I’m an apolitical person, but I am terribly disturbed by three ingenuous spins by the Noynoy Aquino campaign about the incident in August 28, 1987 when he was shot by rebel soldiers:
(1) “He put his life on the line to protect his mother from military rebels that penetrated
Malacanang’s security.”
(2) “He got shot in the neck protecting democracy.”
(3) “Noynoy saved the nation that day.”
In support of his presidential bid, Noynoy Aquino has posted these blatant fabrications on his official website and is allowing his supporters to circulate it on the web. What does that say about his self-proclaimed incapability to lie?
What’s the truth about that shooting?
Here’s part of the report of that incident by Seth Mydans for The New York Times on August 30, 1987, headlined “Aquino’s Son Says Rebels Opened Fire as He Spoke”:
“Today, his left arm in a sling and his neck bandaged, Mr. Aquino told of pleading for his life as a soldier decided whether to shoot him again.
“Mr. Aquino said he had gone out late to ‘attend to a personal problem’ across town, accompanied by bodyguards in his own and a second car.
“He said he had discounted rumors of a military attack, thinking they might be another ‘zarzuela,’ or comedy, like previous coup threats. But when word came that firing had begun, he rushed home because ‘my instict [sic] was to help my family.’
“Shielded by Bodyguard
“When the soldiers opened fire on his car, he said, a bodyguard on the seat beside him, Joseph Galleta, ‘managed to pull me down and shielded me with his body.’
“In a second burst of fire, he said, Mr. Galleta was seriously wounded and thrown from the car.
“‘I believe the rebels wanted to be sure we were killed,’ Mr. Aquino said. ‘Someone approached me and wanted to use his M-16. I pleaded with him and tried to reason it out with him and everything and he hestitated [sic].’
“As the soldier hesitated, Mr. Aquino said, he prayed. ‘I was doing my act of contrition and all that. I was asking for more time because I didn’t want to die like that.’”
Need anything more be said?
October 19, 2009 at 11:34 pm
A link is always appreciated, the more the merrier!! Thank you.