Guess what folks! Benigno “Noynoy” Aquino Jr does have a platform! And it looks like this:
Considering that Noynoy’s website had recently been glossed-up, I suppose it is quite safe to assume that the above also represents an “improvement” over what Ben Kritz described as a “non-platform” back in late August of this year.
Not the most promising-looking of platforms, isn’t it? Perhaps this bizarrely strong inclination to march towards progress in reverse among Pinoys is what also explains our beholdenness to popularity metrics whenever we set out to choose our next leader.
Courtesy: UtakNgTilapia.com
What has always been a candidacy that makes a fuzzy appeal to the softer aspects that dominate the Filipino’s general sensibilities is kinda off-putting to the more analytically-inclined voter. Indeed, Noynoy’s brilliant strategists have at last addressed that serious gap as there is now some cause to associate Noynoy’s candidacy with a bit of the kind of technical jargon that appeals to the more analytical mind:
I can’t help but highlight yet another irony that escapes the collective mind of the Philippine political establishement and its cadre of “expert” analysts.
Aquino’s glossing up of his website and the disappearance of the only section in it that would have housed the only semblance of substance underpinning his candidacy is symbollic of our society. In the same way that the flurry of property “development” that characterised the last several decades of Metro Manila’s history added a veneer of gloss over the metropolis that masked a hideous infrastructural rot, Aquino’s website “improvements” reflect our society’s march to progress:
Paatras ang asenso
(Progress in reverse)
And so we continue our march to 2010…
Courtesy: UtakNgTilapia.com.
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Do you think Noynoy and the other candidates beat the speech of this girl….
http://media.causes.com/510213?p_id=54203836
Thanks for the video. Out of the Mouth of the Babes come
the Truth. It was a speech that came from the heart of that
girl. The Voice of the next generation. We the older generation
messed up this Planet Earth. The mess will be the problem of
the next generation. After we will all be gone. If we survive
a nuclear war, terrorism, Islamic extremism, natural calamities, etc…We are all living on the edge of extinction! Not only the animals and plants.
Noynoy Aquino does not even seemed to comprehend the problems of Climate Change.
Hyden,
I am hoping that the media of this country will also guide our politicians by sponsoring ” Awareness”. The video was a ” media” cause…
Celebrities in our country can also deliver this kind of message to our politicians. Even children in school. We have to send Malacanang a strong message.
This country just had enough of their foolishness.
The website’s back as of 9:30am manila time. It’s not gone-platform yet, just gone-website. Please be patient with his candidacy. He’s still our best hope. Much better than Villar, Erap, and the other front runners. That goes for Mar Roxas, too. That’s why they are currently leading.
Candidate Aquino is asking for his supporters’ ideas:
http://www.noynoy.ph/avatar.html
From having a lame excuse for a platform to having no platform, what an indicator of “progress.” Beavis & Butthead won’t be disappointed though. They’ll tsuwariwap their way into rationalizing Noy’s cluelessness, and assume Noy is just updating it.
(To suggest that it could be being updated means there was actually a valid one, but there was none, so in any case for them “tuloy ang laban,” kahit wala namang tunay na ipinaglalaban.)
Platform, Plez.™
Filo, paano namang hindi mabilis ang pag-submit ng iba ng kanilang platform, eh, sa Recto lang at Morayta ipinagawa. Mabilis gumawa doon, mura pa.
Right. You know it so well, you should go get yourself one too. Then you and MCB can do America.
Benigs,
The real head scratcher — in a non-pejorative sense — is Noynoy’s high survey rating. Some would say it’s a reaction to PGMA’s misrule. In this reading, Noynoy, admittedly by virtue of his pedigree, represents everything that PGMA and his minions are not. All this is familiar to the Filipino psyche, i.e., the Passion Play of Philippine History as seen under Renato Constantino’s microscope.
Another head scratcher: why then Noynoy, a member of the enemy class, the oligarchs, if there ever was one? Do Filipinos seriously think that Noynoy would betray his ilk, as MLQ3 hopes he would?
Would they not be disappointed again, like when Rizal, finally unable to betray Mother Spain, turned down the Katipuneros? Or when Marcos tried to dismantle the oligarchy only to create another one because in the end he only had contempt for the people?
The bread and circus ladled out generously under this present administration has not appeased the people. Like the Grand Inquisitor, PGMA and her cabal have been lying all along ostensibly for the nation’s benefit. Noynoy’s immense popularity shows that the people are fed up with a pseudo-democracy. You can give us brownouts and indecisiveness, but give us back the freedom, imperfect though that freedom may be, that Tita Cory and Ninoy won for us. No, not the freedom to go to Dubai or to write letters to the editor. We want true freedom, the freedom to write our own destiny as a people.
And that in a nutshell is what the people see in Noynoy.
Right on apanfilo! Noynoy offers us hope. We may be disappointed again in the future, maybe not. But we see hope and we cling to that hope. We do not see that at all in ALL other candidates, especially Villar and Erap. I dare say that people who do not see that hope in Noynoy (given the current field) will eventually go for Villar. And that is more of a head-scratcher.
perryh,
i really don’t get it why this fella from the land of Oz and some of his buddies are so much into platform? Why? for discussion sake? for blog sake? Di nila makuha ang tunay na hinihingi ng pinoy..Isang tunay na pagbabago…What we need is a foundation…foundation of honesty and integrity and love for country is what we need…puro tayo platform eh kahit na sino pwedeng kumatha ng platform…si villar ba honest? si erap ba honest? si GMA ba hindi sinungaling? si noli ba honest?…kaliangan natin eh tao..totoong tao na marunong talagang makipag kwapwa tao…hindi ahas sa damuhan…
What compels you to assume and actually believe Noynoy is honest? The perception that none of the others is honest? Does that automatically make Noynoy the honest one?
Platform, plez.™
Let’s not forget this head-scratcher:
The SWS study that said 60% of 1800 respondents named Noynoy as one of three candidates they prefer among the lot. So the question is: What fraction of that 60% put Noynoy at #1? Because hey, it doesn’t matter who’s #2 or #3. Not that it’s important because this survey really isn’t, but that 60% figure ain’t worth a hoot.
And SWS should have come out with that number.
And it’s not the indication of people’s disapproval of PGMA; Noy really doesn’t have a monopoly on that one.
Remember: There is no dichotomy here, folks, contrary to what Iggy The Clueless would have us believe.
Even if 60% of the 60% vote for NoyNoy, that is only 36%. Malacanang-2010 is anybody’s ballgame!!!
Machinery and steady campaigning in the baranggays plus media blitzes can put Gibo or Villar into Malacanang. And remember — Erap has proven winnability.
“We want true freedom, the freedom to write our own destiny as a people.”
Another one of the nice sounding but empty rhetoric. What “freedom to write our own destiny as a people” are you talking about?
A Noynoy who will turn against the oligarchy will be branded an ingrate like Dictator Marcos.
Anyone with the resources to hire a cadre of advisers could come up with a decent platform. But not everyone can put his platform into action. We are not yet in the campaign phase of the 2010 election. Having no platform (or no website) as another commenter pointed out, is not yet a big deal at this moment.
For me, voting for a person must go beyond his/her platform. Platforms are just statements, SOMETIMES just mere political bullshit (pardon me for the word) used to make the candidate appealing to voters (I bet Gloria had the best platform during the past presidential election). Please don’t get me wrong platforms are important, but they do not tell us everything about the candidate. There are simply other things that even the most intelligent mind cannot comprehend – values, principles, virtues – just to name a few. No platform can fill a candidate void of these. At these point we need leaders who will use not only their minds, but their hearts as well. That’s how people are, we don’t just think, we feel.
Tumbok mo pare ko
Hindi ba the excitement about Noynoy is that he will carry the legacy of Cory?
Pero did Cory ever say that Noynoy is ready to be President?
UP n,
No, she’s humble, baka sabihin binubuhat niya sariling bangko.
Within the clan gatherings, Tita Cory never ever mentioned anything about Noynoy being fit for the Presidency.
In fact, it seemed as if everyone was generally resigned to Noynoy’s mediocrity in politics as he could never intelligently comment about policies or systems or anything relevant to running the country when in informal hobnobbing at baptisms, birthdays, or weddings.
Everyone just knew that Noynoy generally had twin passions: Cinema and “Sounds.” He is an active consumer and avid collector of movies as well as music and even stuff related to speaker quality.
The buzz among relatives who had an interest (and had contacts in the movie business) used to be “Oh, Noy, kelan tayo magpo-produce ng Indie film?”
Unfortunately, even if Kris herself is in showbiz, Noynoy seemed content to just remain an avid “CONSUMER” of the stuff he collected, never graduating to becoming a producer or a specialist who could be tapped as an intelligent resource person on the topic. At best, he was a source for borrowing old obscure European or other alternative art-cinema films.
The point is that no one ever saw Noynoy becoming president. He never exhibited any aptitude for it nor did he exhibit any interest in any topics relevant to statecraft and national development. He may have been an economics major long ago, but he has absolutely no personal interest in economics.
It was really only Tita Cory’s death and the dramatic coverage of her Funeral that got some devious relatives thinking about cashing in on this public outpouring of sympathy for Tita Cory.
Obviously, while Kris was the dominant figure there, her broken-hymen past with the STD and out-of-wedlock kids made her somewhat antithetical to the legacy of Tita Cory – even if Kris was the only one of Ninoy’s kids to actually inherit his quick wit and gift of gab.
The verdict then was to use Noynoy, whose public “full name” is “Benigno S. Aquino III” – a name that is a perfect match with that of his late father, Benigno S. Aquino Jr.
The rest is what we all know… In the end, Noynoy announced he was running and his campaign continues to rest solely on one thing, his name:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
Since we’re on the subject of values, principles, virtues, let’s factor this one in.
http://filipinovoices.com/a-compromised-candidate/comment-page-1#comment-98022
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 04:44:00 09/21/2009
Filed Under: Agrarian Reform, Real Estate, Benigno Aquino III, Government
This is in reference to the banner story “Noy may give up Luisita.” (Inquirer, 9/13/09) Noynoy Aquino is starting his march to the Palace on the wrong foot. And he is speaking from the wrong side of his mouth.
The Aquinos, from Noynoy’s great-grandfather Jose Cojuangco Sr., did not own Hacienda Luisita. They were “dummies” of the government. They were given $2.12 million from the Central Bank and P3.98 million from the GSIS to buy Hacienda Luisita, on the condition that the land would be distributed to the farmers in 10 years, or by 1968, at the latest.
Forty-one years later, Noynoy cites labor trouble and debts as the reason to “leave” Luisita, if at all. Noynoy is mentally dishonest for not recognizing the family obligation to distribute the land by 1968 under the conditions for his great-grandfather’s acquisition of Hacienda Luisita.
Starting his morality campaign on a big lie makes Noynoy this campaign’s biggest fake and biggest sham. By the way, how did Inquirer Research’s In The Know miss this well-known historical fact?
—DANILO PARAYA,
Pilar Village, Las Piñas City
Special thanks to BongV for reposting this one.
Care to explain how the hopefuls manage to ignore the utter lack of values, principles, and virtues in the Aquino camp?
Would you like to hear the same demand for accountability from a Noynoy supporter? Check this one:
http://mav-equalizer.blogspot.com/2009/10/noynoy-aquinofacing-facts.html
Do enlighten us how these things bring about hope that isn’t misplaced please.
Filo,
If what you say is true, isn’t it amazing that Marcos, from 1968 to 1986, did not do the right thing, specially since the Luisita Cojuangcos were his mortal political enemies?
As to the equalizer, what stands out is, despite the questions, he remains firmly for Noynoy. Maybe you can tell him why your candidate is better, if you have one you care to openly endorse.
But I can understand why, if you’re for Erap, Villar, or Gibo, it’s kind of embarrasing to proclaim it.
A lot of things are not right in Luisita, agreed. But I do not think that Noynoy has to carry all the blame for what the members of his family did decades ago or so. The article could have bore more weight if Noynoy himself was personally involved in all the dealings concerning the Luisita estate – if he alone can undo what have been done by the others decades past.
Yes partly, as the son, he is accountable, but it will take more than himself to resolve this – he will probably need to confront other members of his family with the help of the people who believe in him.
The “hopefuls” may be aware of this, maybe they are not. But probably the “hopefuls” are not single-issue voters so we cannot assume that they just chose to ignore this fact.
@manuelbuencamino,
thanks for the insight. so, say if i am for villar, erap, or gibo and it’s kind of embarrassing to admit it, what do i do? i’d question noynoy’s platform, what else? instead of proclaiming that my candidate has a better record (which cannot be true) or better platform (which isn’t true either). that makes me pathetic, isn’t it?
perryh:
that’s a false dilemma.
all the candidates platforms are being demanded.
however, since noynoy is the frontrunner – the greater demand is placed on him – what exactly is he you bringing to the table – other than platitudes.
okay lang yang mga slogan kung kaharap mo yung mga ignorante, mga walang pinag-aralan, at kung may pinag-aralan man – mga bopol.
@MCB:
Trying to be Manang Bola again mmmm?
Try harder.
“A lot of things are not right in Luisita, agreed. But I do not think that Noynoy has to carry all the blame for what the members of his family did decades ago or so.” says Mr. Pasia.
Granted. But it works both ways. If he shouldn’t share the negative, he shouldn’t be accepted just on the basis of the positive. But if he persists on running solely based on his heredity, he has to embrace & explain it all, and not just the good parts.
Messrs Villar, Escudero, etc. have been prepping for their presidential runs for a while now, they’re websites are full of ‘promises’. Mr. Teodoro has been using his gov’t job to showcase what he calls a platform. Noynoy Aquino is currently holding town hall meetings with various sectors and people from different regions so he can complete a viable, realistic, campaign platform. Platforms aren’t created without thoughtful interaction.
Helga,
Mismo! Now is the time for dialogue. The program will come after the dialogue.
How true! you can’t come up with a platform that is pro people without consulting the people…para sa mamayan, pakinggan muna ang mamayan…
If now is the time for dialogue, Mr. Good Road, then why are you making triumphalist assertions instead of trying to have a discussion? Dialogue with only those who see things your way is pointless.
Noynoy has been consistent that he wants to consult all stakeholders before drafting policies to address our problems.
This is not a sign of indecisiveness or a lack of leadership qualities. This is his way of saying that whatever the Filipino people decide on…they should be accountable for it as well.
We have been asking our government officials to be accountable but are we accountable as well as a people?
Just my 2c’s…
the real scandal here is why B0 is still using IE… :)
bakit, ayaw mo ng google chrome? firefox?
Hahaha!
Un din una kong napansin
ha ha! Fair enough, GabbyD. :-D
Aquino Brings Great Hope and Trepidation. http://noypi-ako.com/aquino-brings-great-hope-and-trepidation/
Reforms in 2010 Means Saving Lives and Giving Hope! http://blogs.inquirer.net/philippineelections/2009/09/22/reforms-in-2010-means-saving-lives-and-giving-hope/
By the way benignO am a she not a he :)
on social weather surveys… don’t assume that their population and sampling methods to get the respondents are always reliable. kalokohan yan. you don’t assume that these 1,000 respondents represents the majority.
what the SWS can survey is how many articles in the Philippine Star and the Inquirer are pro-noynoy articles. Lintek na mga yan parang sila Joseph Goebbels kung magsulat. Pagkatapos ng Ondoy at Pepang, ayan naman po. naglabasan na naman ang mga artikulo na to. Right timing. It takes good spin doctors to do it with savvy. Kudos to them. They know who they are.
Jethernandez,
The SWS should also survey the articles ihe Manila Standard, the Manila Times, The Bulletin. That way SWS will get a good balance between the bullshit you like and the bullshit you don’t like.
What I notice with their recent survey with the general trend of some Noynoy supporters (not all) is that they generally mention current pres. Gloria Arroyo in parallel. Like their climbing on the current unpopularity of the administration to put up their candidate like real crabs.
In the recent survey, the formatting of their question is that “who do you think will succeed after Pres. Gloria Arroryo” rather than “who will you vote for in the next presidential elections?”
It may be minor but it got me thinking of their sense of objectivity.
Benigno hope is a difficult thing to kill.
I agree. Because real hope (the kind that can be substantiated) was never alive in the first place. :-D
Hope is something which cannot be fully substantiated nor rationalized. And I don’t believe it should be. It is well beyond our very limited mental capacity. It is something abstract, something which no one can fully explain no matter how hard one tries (sorry). But it is a compelling force which allows us to act not just based on what our mind says.
If one says that hope is alive in him/her, then it is. It is theirs and theirs alone. Others may question that hope, but that’s the only thing they can do, nothing more.
@Paul Pasia:
On the contrary, to hope ISN’T the only thing they can do. (Unless THINKING is out of the question, then that is the only thing they can do.)
And what you’re talking about is FAITH, not hope.
People have been THINKING what can they expect from the contenders. And they we realize that given their records, there is not much to expect. And given Noynoy’s ‘non-record’, there is HOPE. Some may call it FAITH, whatever you may call it, the 60% of the people THINK it is better than what the others lay on the table. Honestly, I’d rather gamble on Noynoy than the proven records of the rest.
@Filo:
To hope does not mean not to think, and vice versa. One can argue that faith and hope are related… though my point in my earlier comment is: one does something because one HOPES that something good will come out from that action and not just because it is what his mind tells him to do.
@Paul:
Look at this comment and then please tell us why there is hope to be found in Noynoy despite the absence of strong enough evidence that he will deliver, that something “good” will come out of it.
@perryh:
(1) See this comment regarding how meaningless the 60% result from SWS actually is, unless you’ll have 3 presidents at once.
(2) HOPE ≠ FAITH.
(3) What you have isn’t hope in Noynoy, it’s distrust in the rest. That’s all it means.
Benigno,
Hope, I repeat, is a difficult thing to kill.
@Filo:
No one disagrees.
1. It isn’t just the recent SWS survey. People are excited. The reception is vibrant. You don’t need surveys to feel that. Surveys merely validate the electric feeling of it all. Other camps feel the pressure now. Too bad, the more others try to put down Noynoy (negative campaign), the more people contrast his campaign with the trapos’.
2. Whatever we call it, blind faith, blind hope – we believe. Period.
3. It’s distrust with the rest. Absolutely!
Need we say more?
Filo,
Paul Pasta is talking about hope, not faith.
@MCB:
Dude you gotta switch to decaf.
The man’s name is not Paul Pasta, it’s Paul Pasia.
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@Paul:
You’ll have to excuse Manny here.
He’s still in pottymouth mode from the Beavis & Butthead post.
Clearly struggling to get off it.
Paul I’m sorry I misread your name, I didn;t have my glasses on,
But it does get killed at times. There’s that saying, “hopes dashed on the rocks.” Happens often in this country too.
chino f,
It does happen when the object of hope disappoints. But it does not happen because of rock throwers.
That’s true enough, Mr. Good Road. What will you do when your hope disappoints you? Because the best you can assert at this point (without being intellectual dishonest with yourself – never mind the rest of us, we don’t expect much from you any more) is that it’s a 50:50 prospect. You hope and believe that Noynoy will be an effective president, but you don’t know that Noynoy will be an effective president. You don’t know that he won’t be.
Just because you’re willing to take that gamble doesn’t mean everybody who isn’t is wrong. And they can come up with much better justification for their point of view than you can for yours.
@MCB:
Hope is okay, if it isn’t misplaced, if it is grounded by objectivity, and pursued with meaningful action that is preceded by careful thought.
We’ve already had misplaced hope for so many decades since the end of Marcos’s rule. Look where we are. Still snorting (baseless) hope.
Filo,
read up on the meaning of hope.
@MCB:
You ought to read it yourself, sans caffeine.
Kaminsky,
It’s easy for non-thinking and non-analytical people to pin their hopes on Noynoy. They’re just into magical and mystical methology…
But we who are in a better position to know, we who use our brains basically ask the question: how can we put our Hope and Trust in a person who clearly does not show any inclination towards properly getting the job of “President” done. We already know how his ill-prepared mother fared, and unfortunately she didn’t do very well – in fact her term came up with the 1987 Cory Constitution which is – let’s face it – a lousy constitution that gave us our lousy multi-party system with absolutely no provisions for ensuring a majority president.
Since Noynoy generally promises that he’ll do what his mom did, we can thus assume that he’s basically just going to keep at the status quo and not really improve the economy.
Nothing in Noynoy or in what he said shows that he has any intention or inclination towards fixing the economy and making the Philippines a better place. Everything is all just motherhood statements. Worse, drumbeeaters like yourself, insist, without providing real tangible and objectively verifiable evidence, that Noynoy is the “best candidate out there”, when it is clear to everyone – as it is also clear to yourself – that all Noynoy has is WINNABILITY.
Noynoy is winnable because his name is:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
I believe it’s unfair to insinuate that most people who pin their hopes to Noynoy are non-analytical and non-thinking. Much worse it’s very unfair to accuse the ordinary Pinoy na hindi nag-iisip (see post below).
I agree, their predicament is not just caused by the government, but probably by themselves as well. BUT, we have to admit that most from the ruling class, the political and intellectual elites helped create an environment where the common tao finds it difficult to succeed.
We do not have the right to conclude that they do not think or analyze when they act. Maybe it’s good to feel the shoes of the common tao so that we will be able to appreciate how difficult it is to survive day to day challenges even though you put your all in everything that you do.
I’m ashamed for the “thinking man,” and I apologize to the common tao.
Paul Pasia,
There’s no going around it. Don’t make excuses for objectively observable facts.
People who pin their hopes on Noynoy aren’t being realistic. It’s like a fat person taking rat poison and hoping he’s going to get thinner (parang “slimming pills”).
The objectively observable fact is that rat poison kills rats, what should make a normal thinking person think that rat poison WON’T KILL the person and will merely make that fat person thinner?
Similarly, we all know that Noynoy objectively does not exhibit the characteristics that would be found in a person who can help change the Philippines.
Here are the types who transformed their countries positively:
1. Peter the Great of Russia
2. Kemal Mustafa Ataturk of Turkey
3. General Park of South Korea
4. Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore
5. Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia
Does Noynoy exhibit any characteristics that these great leaders possess?
In fairness to Noynoy’s mother, Tita Cory was charismatic and eloquent. In fairness to Noynoy’s Dad, Tito Ninoy was extremely eloquent and intelligent.
But Noynoy, unfortunately, doesn’t exhibit any of the traits of the great leaders, nor does he exhibit the traits of his parents! In fact, among the Ninoy-Cory kids, it’s Kris who inherited their genes, except that she wasted her good fortune by sleeping with the wrong men and getting an STD to boot.
Not only are the traits just unobservable in Noynoy, when Noynoy goes on TV, he can’t answer intelligently. Worse, he doesn’t even have a PLATFORM!
So with all the objective observations and facts we all know about Noynoy pointing in the direction of incompetence and inability, what kind of delusional thinking drives people to pin their hopes on this guy?
It’s not unfair for anyone to insinuate that the Noynoyistas are non-analytical and non-thinking BECAUSE THEY HAVE REJECTED LOGIC in making their choice.
Between a Ferrari and an old Kia Pride, which one will out-run the other the long stretch at the SCTEX? We all know that the Ferrari has the engine for running fast, while the Kia Pride (I’m talking about the old 90′s car) was built for simple and slow city driving.
Are you still going to pin your hopes on the old Kia Pride?
To pin your hopes on the old Kia Pride and not on the Ferrari is to reject logic and NOT TO THINK. It’s a kind of myth-based faith that makes you do that.
Now, if you’re choosing Noynoy because you think he’s winnable, I have no quarrel with you there. Winnability is just about winning the elections and Noynoy has the name.
But my point is that Noynoy clearly doesn’t have what it takes (AND YOU KNOW IT TOO) to be able to deliver real tangible and relevant results after he wins the elections.
Yan ang problema ng Pinoy eh… Puro “winnability” na lang ang pinag-uusapan. Pinoys don’t care about WHAT HAPPENS NEXT after winning the elections.
Kaya tayo kulelat. We just go with our gut. We just go with “the name you know”, never mind that there is nothing else backing the candidate up by way of competence and ability.
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! :P
Real Deal
“Here are the types who transformed their countries positively:
1. Peter the Great of Russia
2. Kemal Mustafa Ataturk of Turkey
3. General Park of South Korea
4. Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore
5. Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia
Does Noynoy exhibit any characteristics that these great leaders possess?”
Thank God Noynoy is not like any of them.
Now I understand why you do not like Noynoy. You don’t like democracy, you like dictatorship.
So who among the presidentiables possesses the dictatorial qualities that you are looking for?
Your own country was a lot wealthier and productive during its dictatorship, or most of it anyway, then at any point in its democracy. Food for thought.
Kaminsky,
“Thank God Noynoy is not like any of them.
Now I understand why you do not like Noynoy. You don’t like democracy, you like dictatorship.”
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You really don’t get it, no? Slow in the head ka talaga, no?
Personally, I don’t give a damn about Dictatorship or Democracy… I care about results. I care about transforming the Philippine to become a better country, one that can feed its own people without requiring them to turn into putas and tagapunas-ng-pwet and work in other demeaning jobs abroad.
Those leaders transformed their countries for the better, and honestly, that’s what really matters.
Hey, if some leader could transform the Philippines democratically, then I don’t care how it’s done. I just want the Philippines transformed FOR THE BETTER.
If you think about it, the real qualities I was talking about regarding those leaders was about their:
1. Passion in thinking about how to improve their countries
2. Use of all their waking hours in thinking about improving conditions, standards, processes
3. Out of the box thinking
4. Ability to easily learn from other societies and appropriately adopt those things that can be applied to theirs
5. Success in getting things done
Ikaw naman medyo slow-in-the-head, you latched on to the supposedly “dictatorial” aspect of their stints in power, but hey, Kaminsky, that’s how you transform a country!
You don’t go about asking people “Duh, uh, umm, what do you think we should do?”
If you’re a leader out to make things better, then you should already have a plan and you know how to make the plan work, and if it means convincing people who are clueless about what to do, then convince them, never mind that it seems “dictatorial.” Because as a leader, YOU SHOULD LEAD.
Now, you also missed the other more important point I made…
That at the very least, Noynoy couldn’t even exhibit the positive characteristics of his OWN PARENTS!
None of Cory’s and Ninoy’s eloquence and charisma, none of Ninoy’s brilliance!
Si Noynoy? Wala! Nada! Clueless! Walang alam about governance, and has no passion for making things better.
He should have just stuck to vacuum tube hi-fi sound systems instead of going into the Presidency.
Pero sayang naman ang kanyang WINNABILITY, right?
Kaya ikaw, you’re killing yourself over Noynoy’s campaign, insisting that we all go for an incompetent and totally clueless candidate like Noynoy all because of his name:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
Twinkle ikaw naman, ikaw mismo ang nagsabi ng dictator ang gusto mo.
“Ikaw naman medyo slow-in-the-head, you latched on to the supposedly “dictatorial” aspect of their stints in power, but hey, Kaminsky, that’s how you transform a country!
You don’t go about asking people “Duh, uh, umm, what do you think we should do?”
If you’re a leader out to make things better, then you should already have a plan and you know how to make the plan work, and if it means convincing people who are clueless about what to do, then convince them, never mind that it seems “dictatorial.” Because as a leader, YOU SHOULD LEAD.”
There are BOSS LEADERS and SERVANT LEADERS I prefer the latter.
Kaminsky,
Just because you want a “servant leader” doesn’t mean that’s what Noynoy is.
Besides, as I said, the Philippines needs to be transformed drastically, and a wuss-loser like Noynoy won’t be able to make a difference. His mother, Tita Cory, tried – but failed – to make a major difference, and all she really did was to get rid of the Marcoses (and their cronies) and reinstate the old oligarchy.
If transforming the Philippines drastically requires a “dictator” (who knows fiscal and economic management unlike Marcos who over-borrowed and couldn’t pay the debts he took, and gave the Philippines a massive currency devaluation), then so be it.
Of course, losers like you want “wishy-washy” and “warm-and-fuzzy” concepts like Democracy, which unfortunately aren’t what really matter out there.
Do the USA, the EU, and other rich countries of the first world really care if the Philippines is democratic or dictatorial?
They don’t give a damn. They care only about whether countries they deal with are “rich” or “poor.” They won’t grant visa-free access to passport-holders of poor-country passports. They do, however, grant visa-free access to passport-holders of RICH country passports, doesn’t matter if that country is democratic or dictatorial.
Can passport holders of the “democratic Philippines” fly to the USA, the EU, and most of the other First World Countries without a visa?
Nope. Even getting a visa is so damn hard!
Can passport holders of the “despotically-ruled Sultanate of Brunei” (they are an Absolute Monarchy, not a Constitutional Monarchy) travel freely to the USA, the EU, and most of the other First World Countries?
Definitely YES.
The difference, Kaminsky, is that Brunei is a rich country and the Philippines is a poor country. It’s that distinction that other people and other countries really care about.
But then again, slow-in-the-head Pinoys like you, Manuel Buencamino, can’t read between the lines. All you hear is the rhetoric from Western politicians talking about Freedom and Democracy, and you’re so starstruck and in awe about Freedom and Democracy, that you forget that in reality, that’s nothing but talk. When it comes to really dealing with countries and citizens of different countries, it’s the level of a country’s prosperity that actually really matters.
Ever wonder why Pinoys go abroad to become putas and tagapunas-ng-pwets and do all sorts of demeaning work even in oppressive environments (including oppressive Wahhabi-run countries that are Absolute Monarchies where people’s hands get cut for stealing)? Is it freedom and democracy?
It’s money they need, idiot!
That’s what the Philippines needs. Prosperity. Wealth. Economic Development.
And since we’re steadily approaching the 100M mark in a few years, we will be more and more difficult to control using “democratic means” among a highly culturally dysfunctional people who can’t even see that Jobs and Livelihood should totally come first before fluffy ideas like Freedom and Democracy.
I personally don’t mind if the Philippines remained “democratic.” I also don’t care if the Philippines became “authoritarian.”
What matters to me (and to most ordinary Filipinos who are forced to work abroad in the lowliest of jobs way below their professional qualifications) is that the Philippines should transform itself into a prosperous, economically developed country.
Does Noynoy have the vision, the plan, the platform, and the knowledge to do this?
It’s obvious he doesn’t.
All he has is his name:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
Real Deal,
re, The distinction on visa’s . . . I suppose there is a correlation between rich countries and poor in US visa declines, but it is not “causal”. The difficulty for Filipinos is not some conniving US bias against poor countries, but the fact that so many Filipinos, upon landing on US soil, have refused to abide by the terms of the visa. They have chosen to remain in the US, preferring criminality and opportunity to returning home. My guess is those rich folk from Brunei have no problem going back home.
In traditional Filipino style, you lay the blame for the problem on the US rather than on Filipinos. What part of “obeying the law” do you expect the US to ignore on behalf of your fellow citizens?
I agree that when the Philippines is able to provide its citizens with more opportunity, and people stop fleeing illegally to the US, the US is likely to change its visa policies. So we agree on the solution, if not the root of the problem.
By the way, your hatchet-wielding style is a tad offensive to my gentle soul . . . ahahahahaha Do you ever respect those with whom you disagree?
Joe
Joe,
It seems you misread a few simple things… Nowhere in the stuff I wrote do I ever blame the USA or any other rich country for their policies on whom to give visa-free access. I think you’re making a big mistake MAKING THAT UP.
First off, my post was very clearly about visa-free access, not about visa denials. Visa-free access is what passport holders from rich countries (like the USA or other rich EU countries) themselves enjoy whenever they visit many countries who are eager to attract them as tourists or visitors/biz travellers.
Filipinos, on the other hand, do not enjoy visa-free access to the USA, to the EU, to Japan, to Australia/NZ, and to other rich Western or First World countries. Instead, Filipinos MUST VISIT EACH AND EVERY EMBASSY just to get a visa. I never commented on visa-denials, actually, because in the first place, the whole “not-granting visa-free access” is itself already a big statement.
Such a policy is OF COURSE done out of the Rich Countries’ own practical concerns. People from POOR COUNTRIES like the Philippines are more likely to end up overstaying and turn into illegal aliens, and so passport holders of POOR COUNTRIES very often by default don’t get visa-free access, and must thus apply for visas at the respective embassies ALL THE TIME, and only there do they individually get screened as to their personal wealth (rich Filipinos can more easily get visas after proving that they’re rich enough and have enough of a stake back home).
So again, please refrain from making up wrong interpretations or “reading what’s not there.”
The blame SQUARELY LIES with Filipinos.
If Filipinos all worked together to make the Philippines (and themselves) rich, then as a rich country, Filipinos will eventually receive visa-free access, unlike the very “anti-Filipino” treatment Filipinos get in embassies and when arriving at airports abroad.
See the point, Joe? No one – especially not I – ever laid blame on the USA (or other rich countries) for just looking out for their own interests.
My point is that Filipinos keep missing the point: The whole Democracy spiel by Western Leaders is always nothing but just idle-talk, back-patting, and lip-service, but back in their heads, they’re always thinking “won’t you Filipinos ever goddamn get your act together and try to make your country and all of you RICH for once?!?”
The advice really is for Filipinos: Don’t do as the Western leaders say… Look at what the Western entities DO.
Even if Western/First World Leaders say “Democracy is good”, look first at how the Western/First World governments and companies make their choices.
1. Do Western/First World governments give any first class treatment to Democratic countries over countries under an Absolute Monarchy?
NO. Western/First World governments, especially embassies and immigration offices don’t give a damn.
2. Do Western/First World governments give any first class treatment the citizens/passport holders of RICH countries over POOR countries?
YES. (Western/First World governments automatically let passport holders of rich countries in, while requiring passport holders of poor countries to apply for visas under stringent rules and requirements)
3. Do Western/First World multinational companies prefer investing in Democratic over Dictatorially/Monarchy run countries?
NO. Multinational companies don’t give a damn. They invest in countries where they feel they can make a return on investment and invest wherever they feel they and their investments can be safe. Doesn’t matter if the countries they choose are Democratic or Dictatorial/Monarchy-run.
4. Do Western/First World multinational companies invest in countries that are stable over countries that are chaotic?
YES, DEFINITELY. Countries where the people are disciplined, self-controlled, and where there is communal stability and crime is low are high on the list of places that multinational companies invest in. Part of the whole idea is that multinational companies need to send their own expat experts to train the local staff on what to do, and no expat wants to go to countries that are extremely dangerous and chaotic. As such, multinational companies will often prefer investing in stable countries that are peaceful and orderly (even if it’s a highly regimented “dictatorial/authoritarian” country) because their own people won’t be in danger as opposed to if they invested in some very “Democratic”, yet chaotic and unsafe country.
Until Filipinos learn to unlearn all the “Democracy Bias” they’ve been accustomed to, and realize that the world is more about “what works versus what doesn’t”, the Philippines will continue to be poor, Filipinos will continue to be disrespected, and Filipinos will continue to beg the rest of the world for dole outs and menial jobs abroad.
Hope you understand, Joe. I don’t like it when people misinterpret stuff that is very clear.
Real Deal,
“Hope you understand, Joe. I don’t like it when people misinterpret stuff that is very clear.”
Hope you understand, Real Deal. I don’t care what you like or dislike.
The responsibility for misunderstandings rests mainly with the writer, not the reader; your rant is indicative of your need to find culprits outside yourself. As to your point 2, I reiterate, western countries do not discriminate against poor countries, they discriminate against countries with lots of criminals who ignore immigration laws.
Fundamentally, I agree with your point that democracy is a concept that may or may not be beneficial to the Philippines, and the Philippines would be wise to stop emulating others and craft a government that works. You like parliamentary, and I personally would go more autocratic than that.
But your arguments are undermined by your relentless disdain for others. Yours is the perspective of a political person who lifts himself up by knocking others down. The “Real Deal” slime show. Your criticisms of Mr. Aquino are cheap shots, really, from a guy with an inside perspective who uses a position of privilege to unfair advantage. Or your down-the-nose dismissal of “squatter” kids who like to dance to “stupid songs”.
Some American dude came whistling through here a few weeks ago, spreading his manure widely across the screen while disrespecting any voice that rose in opposition, including those who contribute rationally and regularly. Then he disappeared, leaving a stench about six blog threads wide. Now you are here, fresh from nowhere, pretending some great unbending knowledge about things.
Evidently this . . . ummm . . . self-certain kind of wisdom . . . knows no national boundary.
Joe
@ real deal:
I guess I already pointed out that logic and reason are not the only things that can help us choose a good leader – we can also get in touch with our emotions, with our conscience and whatever you have that cannot be fully explained no matter how hard we try. Too much of everything is bad – and that goes with rationalization as well. Hindi ko naman sinabi puro lang FEEL, siyempre we balance it with THINK.
The problem with people who CLAIM to be intelligent (really intelligent people do not demean people who they don’t even know), is that they think that everything can be solved with mere logic and reason (palibhasa yun lang yata ang kaya intindihin ng isipan).
Anyhow, instead of bashing Noynoy and his supporters, why not begin to promote your best candidate based from your uber LOGICAL analysis of the wannabes. Though, you may have turned off potential supporters of your candidate with your previous rants. Ako nga, hindi pa ako solved kay Noynoy kasi I’m waiting for his platform rin, but I will be careful with your choice of candidate.
Wala palang kwenta si Noynoy for you, then why not bring your candidate up front to convince fence sitters. You don’t need to destroy Noynoy, you just need to brandish the credentials of your candidate.
Lastly, buti na lang di ako sing talino mo, haha.
Paul:
Agreed that there is a balance between emotions and logic.
In the case of Noynoy’s supporters – it’s all emotion and devoid of logic. Same same for other candidates.
Until the frontrunners come up with a platform (Nick Perlas has a comprehenesive platform though) – as far as I am concerned they are all the same banana who are out to protect vested interests.
In the absence of platforms, the choice boils down to:
* who is the candidate who I personally know, or is known by someone that I know – alin ako mas may maraming koneksyon. not to mention the fact that I have eggs in all the baskets – whoever wins, I still win.
Paul Pasia,
Kaya nga kulelat ang mga Pilipino:
Because as a people we are not logical or analytical. Superstitious at masyadong faith-based lang tayo. (Nothing wrong with Faith per se, but you need to back it up with work!)
And I mean kulelat tayo sa halos lahat ng ginagawa natin pwera sa arts at music. Ok tayo sa combo, ok tayo maging stage actors sa Miss Saigon.
Bakit nga ba? Kasi di tayo nag-iisip!
Kahit may utak tayo, kahit na ba may talino tayo, di naman natin ginagamit!
Yun ang problema, Paul Pasia. By the way, puede kang pumunta rito: http://filipinovoices.com/beavis-and-butthead/comment-page-1#comment-104076
Di kakulangan sa talino ang problema ng Pinoy, Paul Pasia.
Problema ng Pinoy ay di ginagamit ang talino, kundi dinadaan na lang sa “akala.” ;)
paul,
i don’t think the other candidates are relevant to this discussion since this post is all about noynoy.
@better philippines:
Uhhmm, I never said that real deal has to do it HERE (in this thread). I am just saying that he ought to do that instead of bash Noynoy and his supporters.
di ba utak at logic ang ginamit kaya naging presidente si arroyo? di ba utak at logic din ang kanyang ginamit kaya siya tumagal ng siyam na taon? di ba utak at logic din ang ginamit bakit naging presidente si marcos? kulelat ba tayo dahil di natin ginagamit ang utak at logic o baka kulelat tayo dahil wala tayong tunay na pagmamahal sa bayan? alam ba natin ang tunay na ibig sabihin ng patriyotismo?
“Wala palang kwenta si Noynoy for you, then why not bring your candidate up front to convince fence sitters. You don’t need to destroy Noynoy, you just need to brandish the credentials of your candidate.”-Paul Pasia
Paul,
Real Deal did already. His candidate is either Bayani, Gibo and some other non-presidentiable. He also mentioned some credentials, but most notable is his silence on the most significant credential of all of his manoks:
That they’re all lapdogs of the president.
Butt,
You forgot that I actually mentioned the name of Mar Roxas.
However, he dropped out from the Prez race to go Veep. And I think it’s a waste, because I think that Mar actually had a relatively good platform.
Now, is Mar a “lapdog” of the President?
Well, he’s Noynoy’s lapdog now, right?
So please, stfu about my choices all being “lapdogs of the President” because Mar Roxas was someone I mentioned because I think he’s got the experience, the credentials, and the platform. Too bad, he gave way to someone who is his intellectual inferior.
Ano, Butt, kulelat ka na naman?
*Bleh!* ;P
Moderator,
You kept on deletting my answer to Ass-wiper because I called him Ass-wiper but you allowed him calling me Butt. That’s unfair. I’m no cry-baby, I can take insult, but if you won’t allow me to answer back in kind, then I guess you are gagging my right to reply.
I believe in the fairness of Nick, the Editor-Not-Cheif, but, if he had something to do with removing my responses to The Real Deal, then I’m sorry I’ll have to think again.
Delete all my comments in FV then, then I will know what to do.
@ Mr. Paul Pasia
Let’s say for the sake of discussion that you “hope” to be a CEO someday.
How exactly would you substantiate that “hope”?
Well for starters, maybe you could:
(1) Invest in an MBA course;
(2) Find a professional niche or industry fitting your skills and talents where you think you can excel and stand out;
(3) Work hard and smart and make sure your work gets recognised by people who matter;
(4) Schmooze and network with people who matter; and, yes, you may even have to,
(5) Kiss serious arse.
So let’s step back and raise the question to a national level and ask ourselves:
What exactly substantiates our “hope” that the Philippines will be a just and prosperous society someday?
Are we able to come up with the same handful of items to respond to the above challenge akin to the ones I showed in our CEO example above?
Benigno, of course the obvious answer is that we can come up with whatever qualifier our mind will provide us, but still it does not FULLY (a qualifier I made sure to include in my comment above) substantiate what hope is all about. There will always be an intangible aspect to hope that even the best in us cannot explain (We may convince ourselves that we can, but then again that’s as far as we can go).
So to say that real hope is not alive (because there is no substantiation) is a matter of perspective – based on one’s personal understanding of what hope is.
@Paul
What is your basis in hoping that Noynoy is the right one? Can you enumerate so we can fully discuss it one by one?
@ Ilda:
I haven’t really decided yet on Noynoy. I was just dwelling on how others cling to hope in their choices – that even without substantiation, no one can really tell that what they have is false hope.
Of course, Mr. Paul Pasia. There will always be an aspect/component of our hopes and aspirations that will remain intangible or unsubstantiable. But then our objective as rational beings is to do our darndest to reduce the proportion of said hopes and aspirations to as small a proportion as possible and to increase the deterministic part to as high a proportion as possible.
That’s Risk Management 101. It comes down to how much uncertainty an individual, business entity, or society can tolerate in their efforts to plan for the future. Some societies can tolerate a smaller component of uncertainty while others can tolerate a larger component of uncertainty. Obviously the Philippines falls under the latter category as evident in the bahala-na and pwede-na-yan stance we tend to take when facing our future prospects.
The results of our tolerance for a high degree of uncertainty in our efforts to plan for our future are staring us in the face today.
True, but the unsubstantiable/intangible component of hope holds the so called deterministic parts together.
Simple lang naman punto ko – let’s not mock the hope that many others cling to, no matter how unsubstantiated that is for us. For all we know that is the only thing (along with faith) that keeps them going. That even if politicians who are businessmen, lawyers, doctors, etc… did not put their very substantive platforms into action, people can still hope that someone will be true to his conscience and do what others before haven’t done.
Benigno,
the Trying Hard Hope-Slayer.
I don’t really see him this way. I think he’s just asking “hope in what, exactly?”
Ilda,
“I don’t really see him this way. I think he’s just asking “hope in what, exactly?”
That Noynoy is the one who will set things right.
Set things right how exactly?
Kaminsky,
Basically, when you choose Noynoy over better and more qualified candidates, this is what you’re doing:
You’re choosing a Kia Pride as your bet in a race in SCTEX where the other contenders are a Ferrari, a Porsche, a BMW, and a Lamborghini. (2 Germans, and 2 Italians)
Clearly, the Ferrari, Lamborghini, the Porsche, and the BMW all have engines built specifically for speed. The Chassis designs of the cars are clearly meant for racing and for speed.
The Kia was built as an entry-level “poor man’s car”, meant to allow ordinary struggling people to get from their house to their place of work. Racing was never the intention.
For you, Manuel Buencamino, to pin your hopes on the Kia Pride winning the SCTEX race is a form of lunacy.
Now, that’s only because I’m looking at it from the perspective of “Real Performance.”
However, if we were going to have a popularity contest, and we skewed the questions asking “Which car would you buy, based on ‘value for money’ and considering the money you currently have?” very obviously, people would choose the Kia!
In a popularity contest such as the Philippine Elections, “winnability” (which isn’t even considered to be an English word) is the only real determinant, while everything else takes a back seat.
This is where the problem is, Kaminsky. You’re stuck and totally fixated on Winnability, while many of us here who oppose Noynoy are looking for post-election PERFORMANCE.
Now, going back to the Kia versus all the Sports cars analogy, don’t you agree that it is actually stupid to think that the Kia (whose weak engine was never designed for racing) could beat those specially-built aerodynamically-designed sports cars with powerful engines in a long-stretch race at the SCTEX from Subic to Tarlac?
Real Deal
So tell me who among the presidentiables is a supercar?
As far as I’m concerned, Villar and Estrada are riding in stolen cars, Gloria is driving Gibo’s car, and Chiz’s is still in the garage trying to decide whether he is going to drive or walk.
You know what they say about cars and drivers –
“You may have a Lamborghini but if you have a monkey driving it….”
Kaminsky,
You dense or what?
http://filipinovoices.com/beavis-and-butthead/comment-page-1#comment-104076
How many times do you have to ask for something that’s already been mentioned long before you even asked for it?
I presented my preferred choices, and you know very well that while they may not be as “winnable” as Noynoy, they are way better than Noynoy because he’s a Kia Pride.
Now, strictly sticking to the analogy, we’re talking about the fact that even if you had an expert driver driving the Kia, but all the other cars all had expert drivers, the Kia still wouldn’t be able to win because its engine just can’t hack it. (I won’t blame the Kia because it wasn’t really meant to be a race car anyway)
What’s obvious and objectively verifiable for all to see is that the only thing Noynoy has got going for him is “winnability.” After he wins? Kulelat ang performance!
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
twinkler,
you named a whole bunch of cars.
your analogy don’t work because your cars are drib=ven by monkeys
Kaminsky,
Pikon ka na nga talaga. hahaha! ;)
See, in what you just said, you’re also implying that your KIA PRIDE (Noynoy) is also driven by a Monkey.
Where in the analogy did I even state that monkeys were driving all those cars in the race?
Dude, you’ve lost it. Wala lang, basta maka-post ng reply bahala na kahit stupid… Tsk tsk tsk tsk, Kaminsky!!
Mag-esep-esep ka muna!! MWahahaha! ;)
Slow in the head ka talaga, Manuel Buencamino!!!
Twinkle,
easy lang baka magka aneurism ka
@MCB:
I think you need the caffeine now.
You argue like Cornholio now, man. Seriously.
Or you could take a break and grab yourself a pack of Hope.
tsutsuwa..tsewarewarewap (one more time) tsutsuwa..tsewarewarewap…
Kaminsky,
Ikaw ang naaaneurism actually, kasi ikaw yung di na matino mag-reply eh. hahaha!
*bleh!* :P
Erap, Villar, Chiz, and Gibo offer hope too. Unfortunately they don’t have as many takers.
Well, one can guess – or hope – that Noynoy is coming up with a competitive platform. Thing is, even if one hopes, it’s better not to depend on hopes. There are other options anyway aside from this hope. Hmm, come to think of it: is he really the only hope? That’s the big question.
Chino F
like I said, all the others offer hope too but unfortunately they don’t have as many takers
Kaminsky,
What you’re basically saying is that “only Noynoy is winnable.”
That’s what you’re saying, isn’t it?
“like I said, all the others offer hope too but unfortunately they don’t have as many takers”
- Manuel Buencamino
Bok, you really need to give everyone a good logical and rational reason as to why Noynoy would make a good President, able to improve the economy, steer us towards prosperity, help ordinary Filipinos put food on the table without going abroad as putas and tagapunas-ng-pwets, etc…
Everything you say is all about winnability, Kaminsky. It’s so very Pinoy. All about emotion and sentiment. Nothing about logic and objectivity. Kaya tayo kulelat eh, kasi puro mga kulelat mag-isip ang mga ordinaryong Pinoy eh. Worse, di pa nag-iisip at all ang ordinaryong Pinoy.
Admit it, Kaminsky… That’s what you’re doing. You didn’t think clearly, you just went with your gut, and said that winnability is everything. And you want all of us to do the same, kaya galit ka when we question Noynoy’s lackluster abilities and lack of platform. Winnable siya, in fairness. After all, Noynoy is:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
“Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P”
At the rate The Real Deal is advertising this caption is getting quite intriguing now. I think he’s subjecting manuelbuencamino to a technique called ‘reverse psychology’ prodding Manuel to spew more of Noynoy’s virtues thus highlighting some more his “relative’s” chances of winning the presidency.
After all, blood is thicker than water, isn’t it so?
This dude The Real Deal is pulling our legs, but he’s succeeding.
This is not to say that I believe he’s a relative. After all, I think the dude will not believe I live in Malacanang.
It is heartening to know that 51% of Filipinos see Noynoy Aquino as the slayer of hopelessness, corruption, traditional politics and politicos. It’s also good to know that people expect a lot from him, and he has stepped up to the plate by his intention to run. Just because he hasn’t displayed a platform doesn’t mean he has nothing to offer. It’s good that he’s aware that one can’t hurry on something so important. I have faith, I have hope in Noynoy. It feels good to be in the majority.
Yeah just like the majority of Pinoys watch Wowowee while only a minority watch The Discovery Channel.
What’s wrong with watching Wowowee?
I feel that I should not comment on this post, but I can’t resist the urge.
What is wrong with watching Wowowee? I find both Wowowee and Discovery channel appealing. They address to different aspects of humanity – the emotional and the intellectual. Good balance.
We are not just thinking beings, we feel. It’s good to balance both!
I like watching Wowowee. I get to watch a funny charity game show. My favorite is when contestants cry their hearts out for whatever drama, and then Willie would give em some money after they dance and sing like monkeys. Very entertaining.
@ Real Deal,
Hindi ka nga nanonood ng Wowowee kasi hindi mo alam na hindi lang puro babaeng sumasayaw and nandoon.
If you are observant enough, you will see people with real life stories in the show. You hear their stories straight from their mouths and hindi lang sa kung saang articles na nababasa ng matatalinong tao.
There you would be able to empathize with the people (hope you understand what that means – because your previous posts are very demeaning to the common tao).
I know a lot of people, which I’m betting understands better than you (educators, judges, doctors,etc…) who watch the show not for the entertainment that it provides, but for the opportunity to meet the tinderas, the security guards, the drivers… etc. who we ordinarily ignore in our day to day activities.
We claim that we know how to think, that we are intelligent. Hope we know how to use this so called intelligence that we brag to possess.
Paul Pasia,
Nothing changes the fact that Wowowee is a totally nakakabobo game show.
Totally hated that Boom-Tarat-tarat song when it was the mainstay song in that stupid show.
Agree with me or not, but Wowowee’s brand of entertainment keeps ordinary Filipinos poor and bakya, as opposed to progressive and sophisticated. ;)
Real Deal (what’s your REAL name, anyway)
Of course you know that I wouldn’t agree with you. If being sophisticated and progressive means I have to demean those who have less, then by all means, count me in the poor and bakya crowd.
Wohoo! Wowowee!!!
You think a smart-ass who demands people call him “Papi” and publicly humiliates desperate people who are probably just looking for some grocery money is okay.
You’re despicable. You deserve Noynoy – he can teach you something about basic human decency while he drives your country right into the ground.
What if I told you my name is Paul Pasia?
Twinkle,
“Wowowee makes people stupid. You’ve got those gyrating go-go dancers too… ”
Wassamata Twinkle, you don’t like women?
“You really think that’s good for little kids to watch?”
Twinkle, little kids don’t have dirty minds. It takes an adult with a dirty mind to infect them. When they see gyrating go-go dancers they see gyrating go-go dancers. Period. They don’t attach anything dirty to gyration or to go-go or to dancers.
Whatsamatter Manny? Lost all grasp of reality?
I don’t see anything wrong with watching wowowee. I watch it a lot.
Yeah, I’m one of the majority. When I like to laugh and have fun, I don’t usually pick The Discovery Channel. Strange.
@ The Real Deal
Who watches an entertainment show for educational purposes? You watch it not to become intelligent but to have fun. I won’t argue if you don’t see it as fun since its on a basis of preference.
Edward,
It wasn’t I who said anything about watching “Wowowee” for educational purposes. But then, it really is true that Wowowee makes people stupid.
These are the facts:
1. People who are stupid watch Wowowee
2. People who aren’t stupid and watch Wowowee become stupid
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Kaminsky,
You’ve totally lost it, dude. It’s not about little girls seeing something dirty, it’s about little girls seeing “dance-moves” they don’t know to be inappropriate and since they see it all the time on a noontime show, they’ll think all that sexy dancing and gyrating is “ok”, and maybe grow up to become sluts, putas, and Japayukis.
Then again, your replies show that you like “Wowowee” and see nothing wrong with a stupid show like that.
Come to think of it… That’s why you’re rooting for Noynoy. Since you like a stupid show, it’s understandable to you’d like a stupid candidate who only has his name going for him:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
ahh, the old “all dancers are sluts” argument . . . so we’d better define a higher morality for them and turn off their TV’s.
I guess I better not tell my dancing wife . . . an ardent Catholic.
Joe
Just don’t mind those other guys, Joe. They’re benignO’s tsewarewarewaps, they have their job to do. tsutsuwa..tsewarewarewap…
@ Real Deal
Those are purely on assumption based on your personal opinions not facts.
The show provides an unconventional kind of intelligence: emotional intelligence. They showcase the real lives of working class Filipinos which reflect our society and promote empathy.
Edward,
Do you know how many white expats in the Philippines I deal with on an almost daily business who complain about the stupidity they see in Wowowee? (More than 10, that’s for sure) They have no choice because they have maids and that’s what the maids watch, and they’ve seen what kind of content Wowowee has.
There’s nothing good about it. It’s about making Filipinos rely on dole-outs, and it’s about giving idle Filipino men an early go-go dancer show, and it’s also about subliminally influencing little young girls to want to become sexily-clad go-go dancers when they grow up.
There’s a reason that in the West – so say my Western expat contacts – that shows that prominently feature sexy dancers are placed in late night programming or relegated to pay-per-view subscription channels.
Nothing I say here has anything to do with religious-based morality, by the way. It’s just plain practical realism…
Take short-cuts in Metro Manila and you end up in some slum area where squatter kids aged 8 to 11 are dancing sexily to stupid songs like Ocho-ocho, Spaghetti Song, and all those crass, jolog-culture music spewed out by Lito Camo.
Really now, is Wowowee really about empathizing with the poor?
@Real Deal
So you think these people just go to these game shows for a sole source of living? The selection of the contestants are chosen randomly (meaning its rare that they get selected twice). You probably turned off your t.v. taking comfort in bias.
And your statistics base being expats doesn’t even make it a bit more accurate but limited. Have you tried asking the maids why they like it? I’m sure they won’t say that it teaches idleness and sexy dancing as the west obviously see. Kind of tells a lot about the difference in western and eastern thinking doesn’t it?
@Helga
Just because the majority is going to vote for Noynoy doesn’t mean it’s right. The majority voted for Erap too. We have to ask the candidates what axactly are they going to do once in office before we vote for them. I’m not pro or anti-Noynoy. I’m just a strong advocate of platform because I want them to give me a list on how they are going to tackle the issues. This will be my basis in knowing if their idealogy is compatible to mine or if they really know what they are talking about.
ilda,
We are in early days, This is the time for dialogue, the time to listen, to bounce ideas, and to share a vision. Out of this will come a platform written by the people themselves.
The official campaign season starts February. Noynoy will go about his platform with deliberate speed. If by February he has no platform, then that is the time when criticism is called for. Now is premature.
Kaminsky,
Why don’t you just admit that Noynoy doesn’t have a platform precisely because he is totally incapable of coming up with a good one?
A leader is supposed to lead, not be led. If Noynoy wants to lead, he should “take the lead” and not ask everyone, “ok guys, what do you think we should do?”
A leader who wants to be more “participative” in his style can, instead, come up with suggestions or options, and then ASK THE PEOPLE: “out of the 4 options I came up with, which do you think works best for you?”
But for Noynoy to go into so called “town meetings” and ask “Ok, what do you think I should do?”, the people will all say “Beats us, Noynoy. We’re here to ask you that question because you’re supposed to convince us you can lead!”
Leaders lead. They don’t ask “Uh, ok guys, what should we do next?” Kaya nga LEADER eh, para mag-lead!
But alas, Noynoy has no platform because he is incapable of formulating a good one.
The only thing going for Noynoy, let’s face it, is his WINNABILITY. He’s winnable because he’s got the name:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
@ manuelbuencamino
Your statement above tells me that you believe in asking for a platform as well. But why are you already so confident in Noynoy when he doesn’t have any yet?
ilda,
“But why are you already so confident in Noynoy when he doesn’t have any yet?”
Because his legislative record (I’ve listed it in a previous article) and his advocacies are a good indication of the kind of governance I expect from a leader.
The manner he is going about creating a platform, through dialogue, is another indication that he is a servant-leader.
“Because his legislative record (I’ve listed it in a previous article) and his advocacies are a good indication of the kind of governance I expect from a leader.
The manner he is going about creating a platform, through dialogue, is another indication that he is a servant-leader.”
- Kaminsky
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Kaminsky,
Noynoy’s legislative record is pathetic and lackluster! He’s been sleeping on the job. Probably was listening to “More to lose” on his iPod while sessions were going on.
And please spare us the intellectual dishonesty. He’s not doing “dialogue” to build a platform, he just friggin’ doesn’t have one and is asking the people to make one up for him.
You call that a leader? A leader is supposed to lead! He’s supposed to think things through for other people who can’t think for themselves. But what’s he doing? He’s asking the people who LOOK TO HIM FOR GUIDANCE to GUIDE HIM.
Philippine Democracy nga naman… No wonder it’s palpak!
Noynoy is winnable… That is something everyone knows… But that’s not because he’s competent. Because he’s not… He’s winnable only because his name is:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! :P
Twinkler,
Your idea of a leader is a dictator.
Kaminsky,
My idea of a leader is someone WHO LEADS. Not some worthless, clueless twit who says:
“Duh, uh, ummm… What are we going to do today, guys?”
@MCB:
Your idea of a leader is a wishy washy weakling who can’t make the hard decisions for the country.
Helga,
Be aware of this quotable quote:
“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
- Mark Twain
“I am involved in a freedom ride protesting the loss of the minority rights belonging to the few remaining earthbound stars. All we demanded was our right to twinkle.” – Marilyn Monroe
How does that quote help your cause, Kaminsky?
Real Deal,
It’s a reminder that you are allowed to twinkle,
I already am, so what was the reminder needed for, anyway?
Kaminsky, please answer the question found in this link:
http://filipinovoices.com/noynoy-aquino-from-non-platform-to-gone-platform/comment-page-1#comment-104630
Real Deal,
Then there was no need to remind you since you are already twinkling,
Kaminsky,
That’s precisely why your post here:
http://filipinovoices.com/noynoy-aquino-from-non-platform-to-gone-platform/comment-page-1#comment-104585
Was a waste of time and bandwidth.
Pikon ka na, ano? :P
Twinkler,
Watching you twinkle nakakapikon ba yun?
Pikon ka na, Buencamino, kasi wala nang katuturan ang mga hirit mo. ;)
Easy ka lang, Cheap! ;)
Twinkle,
nakakapikon ba to watch you twinkling?
@ Real Deal:
If your name is Paul Pasia, then I’ll address you as Paul.
@ Ben K:
I never said I wanted or cared about the host. Believe me, I find Willie demeaning at times. I said I cared about the life story that people share in the show.
I don’t turn down something just because of a single issue. In this case I don’t turn down the show just because of the host.
Paul:
I don’t think watching the life stories in Wowoee will make the people’s lives any easier.
For the same amount of time spent watching wowowee, I have already filled up 10 balikbayan boxes with hardbound, glossy curriculum books covering math, english, and science. These ten boxes in turn are shared by at least 500 students in roughly 10 secondary schools in a post-conflict area.
In the time equal to a quarter of a season, the beneficiaries have been convinced to increase usage of the library, implement programs for increasing youth literacy, and set up a barangay library in support of adult literacy.
So tell me about wowowee again, was so wrapped watching the National Geographic channel on how slavery helped build a world economy, and how a species of snake, alien to a terrain have led to the extinction of bird species.
@Bong V:
You are right, watching their life stories wouldn’t make their lives easier (and so is watching National Geographic)… but one will get to see how the real people live. For some people, seeing this provides learning that could lead to action (helping them in whatever way…etc.). For instance, you hear the life story of a kasambahay. This life story could make you appreciate your kasambahay more and lead to treating your kasambahay better.
I laud your efforts to help others in need. Be thankful that you are in a position to do so. I, as a supply chain practitioner, appreciated my job more especially during the aftermath of Ondoy.
Last comments for Bong V:
1. If given the choice, I would rather see how people live than see how snakes and birds behave. But I wouldn’t say no to that if I get curious at times.
2. If you were able to do those laudable things for the same same amount of time spent watching Wowowee, then you can definitely do the same within the same time spent watching National Geographic – there is no issue here, really.
3. If we want more people to watch National Geographic and other informative shows so that they won’t get dull watching Wowowee as Real Deal allege, then we need to help them find resources to spend for a cable connection. Because their current resources are only enough for basic needs – and local channels.
@ Everyone who cares to read this reply:
Isn’t it frustrating to discover that logic and intelligence do not solve all our problems. You can’t even use it to make the people you call “simple minded” understand you or do what you think ought to be done. Ang hirap din maging matalino minsan, lalo na kung ikaw lang ang nakakaalam at nag-iisip na matalino ka, haha.
Bye, I’ll have to inform pa my friends who are doctors, teachers, lawyers etc.. to be careful when they watch Wowowee, nakaka bobo daw kasi, haha.
Kung ganun, I’ll have to also warn my three daughters, a civil engineer, an architect, a computer security/firewall expert, respectively, and my son, a computer programmer, wowowee watchers all. Mahirap na, baka maging bobo.
My slightly modified comment from Antipinoy:
Is Noynoy really the only hope for this country? For me, people who believe so demonstrate being resigned to inaction and lack of willingness to think out things more thoroughly. They still want a genie to save them from evil, when in fact it should be saving them from themselves and their own inaction.
Chino,
One reason why people like Noynoy is because he has not presented himself as the problem-solver or the Messiah. When he declared his candidacy he told the people I can’t do it without you. That was a reminder of his belief that true power emanates from the people. This is why there is so much hope. In Noynoy the people believe they will have a chance to write their own history.
how can you assume that noynoy is liked by the people? who are the people are you talking about? Hope in what Noynoy… this is the most bullish post i’ve read so far. Noynoy has never done his job in the senate. Never enacted a bill nor initiated one… he has only co-authored. Hope by doing nothing?!?!?!
I can’t do “it” without you.
What specifically is “it” that he can’t do without the people? Another platitude.
At least BHO is very specific about health care, nuclear non-proliferation, education, and the economy – that’s leadership!
Noynoy – going around under the guise of dialogue – leadership by the mob – eh talagang stooge. Wowowee!
I’ve heard the same about Gibo.
jethernandez,
Sorry I offended you. How did your candidate do in the polls?
Noynoy has sponsored bills. And the bills he sponsored were not bills to help his companies. Those bills were for workers rights, human rights, more checks and balance on the executive, more controls on graft and corruption among other things. I’ve outlined his legislative record in an earlier post. As to co-authoring bills, well that only means he knows how to work with people.
BongV,
Who is BHO?
Who is BHO? Are you kidding?
No wonder you’re so bull-headed; no one told you there’s actually more countries in the world than this one.
Try watching some news sometime. It’s really amazing what you can learn.
BenK,
still a monkey see monkey do advocate, are we?
Knows how to work with people my bum.
This is how HR Dept. sees Noynoy’s preference for co-authoring: He is incapable of working independently.
Throw short resumé into trash bin.
You need more practice as spinmeister, MCB.
You can’t dupe everyone.
(Btw, since you have no idea who BHO is, you’ve really made it clear that you really do belong in the same clueless class as Iggy Noy. It figures.)
BongV,
“going around under the guise of dialogue – leadership by the mob ”
Indeed democracy, to the totalitarian mind, is mob-rule.
But to those who believe in democracy, anything else is rule by mobsters.
MCB:
going through the motions of democracy does not make it democratic.
one of the components of a democracy are people who think – who use their brains – not people who use their gut, who can be easily swayed by vacuous platitudes – that’s not democracy that’s WOWOWEE.
I take it you don’t know anything about Plato’s Republic, huh, Bwengky?
twinkle,
what do you know about Plato’s Republic?
You would know better than me.
Twinkle,
“Answer the question, Buencamino! You don’t know who BHO is, do you?
…and you thought it was a cable channel, didn’t you? ;)”
Since we were talking about Filipino politicians I admit I didn’t immediately catch on to the jump from one continent to another.
But the Real Deal that sounds like one of those stupid game shows. Or am I confusing your name with Let’s Make a Deal, a really stupid game show. And it doesn’t even have gyrating go-go dancers. Stupid na boring pa.
Please don’t think I am comparing you to those stupid game shows. I find you absolutely entertaining.
Either way,
@MCB:
It’s about time you asked somebody who BHO is.
It’s okay, we understand. Hehe
Noynoy doesn’t need a platform. What he needs is a character building seminar. The things to do for the citizens are all there in the constitution that his mother blatantly violated. It was her command responsibility when the seventeen or so farmers got killed in mendiola. the Kumag anak incorporated. etc.. etsetera. Appointment of incompetent OICs.
Oops this reply should have been here.
jethernandez,
Sorry I offended you. How did your candidate do in the polls?
Noynoy has sponsored bills. And the bills he sponsored were not bills to help his companies. Those bills were for workers rights, human rights, more checks and balance on the executive, more controls on graft and corruption among other things. I’ve outlined his legislative record in an earlier post. As to co-authoring bills, well that only means he knows how to work with people.
Guess who my presidentiable is:
Presidentiable Number 1:
I would buy shares of stocks from the conglomerates of my cronies: Lopezes and the Cojuangcos. Would cuddle my everlasting relationship with my clans the Tanjuatcos, Lapuzes and the Sumulong where this would provide a lasting legacy of my dynasty. Most importantly, i would be an ever loving brother who will tolerate my sister Kris’ kalandian and kaartihan in front of national television with Gay Abunda….
I would go on retreat just like my mother and play hard to get and subliminally indicate to the public that I am the chosen one.
Who am I then?
Presidentiable Number 2
I am the king of insertions! Once I become president I would insert every thing in the budget allocation that would benefit the constituents residing in the subdivisions I’ve created. I will pay the media whatever it takes to make me the king of TV ads. I will remove the gavel from the house of representatives so that there will no longer be another EDSA. My business kingdom will be grander than the Ayalas, the Lopezes and the Sys and the Cojuancos. I’ll rake them all!
Who am I?
Presidentiable No 3:
I’m the king of the talkatives. My father loves me very much because I became a better politician than he is. Congressman lang sya… senador ako. I believe that I’m better than them not because I’m the youngest of them all presidential hopefuls but dahil I can talk non-stop about any issue. I’m cute. I’ll always say cheese in front of anything, mirror, television, camera, computer etc.
Presidentiable Number 4.
My syota is a marketing person. I too am a marketing person. I can say “putang ina” in front of any rally. Running for vice presidency is a strategic move for me bekos if ever me and my running mate wins, I will just wait till he gets a heart attack from the kaartehan and kalandian of her sister. Besides my syota is his former syota. We share things in common.
Presidentiable Number 5:
I’ve planted trees everywhere. I’d always count them. I love counting and recounting. Kaya nga nagpaparecount ako ng ballots kasi I’m a frustrated accountant turned journalist turned politicians. My former running mate is dead. How I wish we’ve had one movie before he died. Ang title would be “Kung Feeling mo Dinaya ka Bilangin Mo!!!!” Hmmmm… what can I say? Let me think. Sorry… nothing… walang lumalabas eh…
Who am I?
Presidentiable Number Sex (6)
I will always hate the dwendes. They are bad beings especially the female ones. One particular female snatched my Presidential seat while I was counting the proceeds of my raket…. hueteng. Wawa naman me. I’m running again because I want the opposition to be as Juan. Ooops mali one pala. If ever I become president here is what I will do: 1. implement a presidential decree that bans Snow White and the seven dwarfs story in the school in all levels. this includes the baning of the statues in the gardens and toys.
Who am I?
Presidentiable No. Seven
I will always call you kabayan whatever your creed is whatever your gender is or whatever thing or animal you are. If ever elected every Filipino male will have a 6 year supply of hair pomade. In tagalog kabayan… pamada! A presidential decree will be enacted forcing people to greet “Magandang gabi Bayan!!” even if it is morning, midnight or afternoon. I will move out all the squatters in metro-manila to Davao to plant pomelo and durian. May housing project ako dun Bayan!!!
Who am i?
Presidentiable no. 8
I don’t want to become president again! Ano ako bale? I want to become prime minister! I want to dance chacha. I’m a humble servant kaya in all humility I would step down in 2010 and run for lower office. From there bahala na si Batman sa inyo.
Who am I?
Presidentiable Number 9
I have a pink underwear. I hate sidewalk vendors and they hate me. The feeling is mutual. When I was a kid I’ve been deprived by my papi to play with toy cars. Now I can play all day long with real cars… rerouting them in whatever way I would want them to turn. Metro Manila is my teritorry that is why I’d like to color every road like my pink underwear.
Presidentiable No. 10
I am my uncle’s pamangkin? Harvard ini. I’m being groomed by my boss to become her that is why she entrusted me to manage her tanks and soldiers. I making the promise that has been promised by the generals and the soldier managers long before I came out of the blue. “I PROMISE TO KILL THE ABUS AND THE REDS BEFORE XXXX” Harvard ata ini!!!!
Who am I? Kilala nyo ako? Hindi nyo ako kilala?!!!! Siga ako! Harvard ini!!!
Presidentiable Number 11
I am short, dark and handsam(a). I am more than qualified than anybody else because I believe that Makati is Philippines and Philippines is Makati. I am very very confident that I will win because my friends that whom you do not know wants me to run. I hate the president! This is my best qualification… hating the president. My papa used to tell me “ang magnanakaw ay galit sa kapwa magnanakaw” and I find that very insulting even if its true.
Who am I? Can you see me?
Presidentiable Number 12
Remove the first letter and add PR… ergo it is a male genital. I’ve been a cheerleader and rumored to have been a syota of an action star… in ader words lalakerA daw ako. If ever erected as President I will enforce on people to say WOW at every greeting. “Wow, good morning”, “Wow how are you?” and “Wow I’m fine thank you.”
Who am muwah?
All the candidates who co-authored bills mean that these candidates know how to work with people – that’s not unique to noynoy.
as noynoy’s legislative output – it pales in comparison to Villar’s – which covers a wider spectrum of issues.
don’t give me that rubbish argument. here is an excerpt of the post in my blog. hehehehe
I’m addressing this rave to a certain “intellectual” blogger who doesn’t know what he’s ranting and dangling about on this concept of being “pro-poor and ant-elitist” based on the bill he’s enacted. In a site managed by so-called “intelligent” elite bloggers, I have posted in a language and style I’ve been comfortable with when I’ve replied to one of the “intelligent” blogs… Unfortunately the blog owners either don’t want my carabao Taglish or the idea that my reply nails their own argumentative coffins. To boot, I’ll try to be academic and scholarly as I can to prove that the “intellectually poor” argument is nothing but a schema of making their co-believers fools of themselves if they would rant the way you do. I won’t even mention the name blogger, the name of the site nor their toyed candidate.
1. It does not necessarily follow that once a legislator passes a bill he lives up to the spirit of the law of the bill he’s “technically” drafted.
In 1987 constitution, the “letter of the law” specifically states under section Section 21 the promotion of agrarian reform program and Section 11 defines that the State guarantees FULL RESPECT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS. Unfortunately, the one who initiated and sponsored the law has been the one who did not implement it TO THE LETTER AND ITS SPIRIT. The very thought that farmers have been killed and their own lands have not been distributed is enough not to go on or explain what the “letter” and “spirit” is. To contemplate about this can probably done within the confines of your own restrooms.
2. The “technical” part of drafting, authoring, sponsoring, co-sponsoring a bill is not what it seems that the legislators who performs said legislative processes LIVES UP TO THE SPIRIT of the law that he’s dangling on the floor of the senate or congress.
Both the lower and upper houses are divided into committees so that the loot shall be apportioned accordingly. From committees such as ways and means, agriculture, energy, environment etc… both senators and congressmen haggle for membership or seats in not only one but many committees… the more committees… more opportunities… virtual or material. Fortunately for them almost all politicking are done by their chiefs of staffs (COS)… up to the drafting. Only a few do things by themselves. Point is in most cases the buck stops at the COS. The function of the legislator for each committee is to draft and read the bill on the floor and the bill has to be related to the committee in which he is a member of.
Having mentioned these facts, we cannot conclude that the legislators are living up to the “spirit” of the law they have “technically” authored or sponsored. Majority of them are came to be member of a committee accidentally… where he has no option but to author, sponsor, co-author co-sponsor bills within the bounds of the committee/s he is a member of.
ERGO, don’t conclude that bill speaks for the persona of the legislator. That is a pro-intellectually poor argument.
Just because one can write legislation does not necessarily make one qualified to be an administrator or executive.
@jethernandez
Cool! That should leave people guessing. It’s really not right for people to be asking someone who they’re voting for. Once they know, they are going to judge you based on your chosen candidate.
jethernandez,
“ERGO, don’t conclude that bill speaks for the persona of the legislator. That is a pro-intellectually poor argument.”
Hey there is such a thing as a NO vote.
ERGO, your arguments has no legs.
@ buencamino. one needs to prove “an argument with no legs” before stating such. only a moron can troll with one or two liners stating that one is wrong or right.
Ilda,
“Once they know, they are going to judge you based on your chosen candidate.”
That;s the whole idea isn’t it? People should know where you’re coming from.
people should know where you are coming from… AND…
where you are taking them
thus far… where’s noynoy coming from? name recall, other than that.. NOTHING.
his best answer to where is he taking the people – is i don’t know, you tell me… wowowee
Are you doing a survey with no legs?
You’ve said:
“The official campaign season starts February. Noynoy will go about his platform with deliberate speed. If by February he has no platform, then that is the time when criticism is called for. Now is premature.”
Truer words were never spoken, Mr. Good Road, much to your disadvantage, I’m afraid.
Are you doing a survey with no legs?
You’ve said:
“The official campaign season starts February. Noynoy will go about his platform with deliberate speed. If by February he has no platform, then that is the time when criticism is called for. Now is premature.”
Hernandez nasaan ang survey sa sinabi ko?
Anyone who even thinks of declaring his intention to run should have already had a platform long ago! You run because you know you can do something and make things better. The platform outlines what those things are, and hopefully, how they’re to be achieved.
But he who declares he’s running, but doesn’t have a platform is wasting everyone’s time.
This is not a beauty pageant where winning the contest is the achievement. Presidential Elections are just the beginning for the hard work. The Platform – something that should have already been thought of long ago – shows that the candidate has done his homework.
But the one you are complaining about can win.
So he asks you to submit your ideas to him, like
a design for an avatar that looks like him.
http://www.noynoy.ph/avatar.html
JetH,
The fact that every legislator has the prerogative to vote NO makes your long-winded theory baseless.
you are ranting on a wrong context buencamino. its not about saying yes or no to a bill. hehehehe… read again. mahirap kasi ang abla ng abla ng di binabasa.
In the business of nation building – as opposed to merely running a country – we must not be deluded to pin our hopes on a single person even if that person occupies a throne in the palace.
The dynamism (or rottenness) of the country and the balance of power still rests on those who control the wealth.
would that be the lopezes and the cojuancos? hehehehe.
JetH,
That would be the Villars, the Arroyos and their cronies.
Oh and Danding Cojuanco and the taipans nga pala
and suddenly, the Aquinos are not Cojuangcos and not shareholders in Hacienda Luisita.
MCB – for someone campaigning on honesty – that’s a tad DISHONEST!
no doubt about it buencamino… but i’m coming from a context where the crony affiliations of noynoy are the lopezes and the cojuangcos. plus the fact that the tanjuatcos, the lapuzes and the sumulong clan where all are kamag anaks of noynoy are also oligarchs who controls wealth.
Hernandez you are coming from a context where you throw mud at the Aquinos only. Hey spread the mud around, show your objectivity.
Why should he? You’re the one who’s pushing the Noynoy advocacy, thus he is the subject of the conversation. And this post is about Noynoy as well, not one or more of the others. You want to see dirt on Villar, Teodoro, Estrada, etc., then why don’t you write another post to that effect?
hernandez one can vote NO
BenK
tell me your candidate so I can write some good things about him. I’m sure it won’t take more than one or two sentences.
tranquil,
that’s true that’s why the struggle is always over who gets to control whose destiny.
MB,
That brings us to the cluelessness of Benigno on how political and economic power is acquired in this country and why, in this light, his obssession with platforms is a redundancy.
You can make a most impressive platform for a Gloria Arroyo for example but at the end of Ondoy, she will just beg for donations from rich countries.
Pathetic.
A waste of platform paper.
tranquil:
platforms do not stand in a vacuum – these are compared with performance, track record – for consistency.
thus when one says, pro-poor platform but in deed, supports a BUNGLED CARP – you’ll be a monkey if you fall for that line.
i didn’t want to say this but it really is troubling.
we can safely assume that all of us here are more sophisticated thinkers than the average kantoboy or kantogirl. i’d like to think that it is incumbent upon us to help educate those who are lacking in the thinking department.
now, i’m really troubled by the very idea of people voting for a candidate just because he is PERCEIVED as “good.” i don’t know about you guys but i’d much prefer someone who is also perceived as capable, intelligent, competent and all the other adjectives you can think of to refer to one’s ability to lead and come up with solutions to our problems. of course, the best candidate is someone who actually lives up to the perception.
“good” is simply not good enough if we want real change not just showbiz change.
betterp,
how about honest ?
honest not good enough. it should be the whole package. but between just honesty and the ability to come up with radical solutions or even just common sense solutions to problems i’d go for the latter.
for a candidate who is already campaigning, under the guise of consultation – that’s DISHONEST.
come to think. how sure are you that noynoy is honest anyway. true he may not have been linked to any corruption scandal but does that necessarily indicate that he is honest.
Wait a minute, Mr. Paul Pasia…
Noynoy’s supporters see no problem with him running under the yellow banner of his pedigree (and not much else) but at the same time excuse him for the, shall we say, unsavory baggage that this same banner carries with it as well?
Tsk tsk. That’s what I call selective pedigreeing.
In that light I am inclined to agree with what you said ealier. Noynoy needs to grow a bit of character. To be a bit more specific, the kind of character associated with that half of humanity that grow a couple between their legs.
:-D
Benigno,
ayan ka na naman. You’re acting up again, hijo. Please yake your medication.
The adulation for Noynoy rose as an emotional outburst when Cory died.
Has Cory ever said that her son Noynoy is ready to be President?
No, she never did. And within the clan, it was widely acknowledged – before Tita Cory’s death and Funeral – that Noynoy just wasn’t up to par with his late father.
It is no secret within the clan that it should actually be Kris running for President, not Noynoy, if “who got Ninoy’s genes, charm, brilliance, eloquence, intelligence, etc” was the question asked.
But the problem is that Kris went into showbiz, slept with all the wrong men, got an STD, and does not bear a name that reflects an illustrious forebear.
Noynoy, however, has his father’s name (or at least has doctored his name to make it look like his Dad’s) doctored from the original full name of “Benigno Simeon Cojuangco Aquino III” to his “screen” full name:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
HONESTY is the BEST POLICY !!!!!!
With that you know who i’m voting for.
Gets nyo….
HONESTLY INCOMPETENT.
With that, you know who I am not voting for.
Gets nyo rin?
Yeah, the kind that panders to populist sentiment, right gramps?
So tell us then, Mr. buencamino: What is it specifically about Noynoy that qualifies him for the dubious distinction of being considered to be that “servant leader” you seem to be beholden to?
Perhaps being a “servant leader” means being the kind of schmoe who plans to merely survive their six-year term getting patted on the back for what they are not rather than for what they could be and by being a Mr-Nice-Guy to Da Filipino people — constantly stoking their ego, assuring them that they are ok and “will be fine” as long as they “pray” and “continue having hope”.
It’s no wonder Pinoys are such a bunch of crybabies who can’t seem to muster the will to take personal accountability for the sorry state of the country they supposedly rule by virtue of their vote. Rather than find a leader who will kick serious arse, we’d rather find a leader who will wipe our arses everytime we take a cr@p.
Well, the flooding brought by Ondoy proves that there aren’t enough arse-wipers to clean the tonnes of cr@p we deposited into our stormdrains. Indeed, in the same way Ondoy revealed the cr@p that Pinoys deposited (and which their leaders didn’t clean up), the 2010 to 2016 Philippine Government under this “servant leader” that everyone’s gonna vote for will also further reveal the growing rot at the core of our society and, sadly, the inability of yet another no-character president to clean it up.
No wonder you’re anti-pinoy.
It’s your flawed inductive reasoning (intentional or not) that always end up blaming the general Pinoys for the sins of the few. Representative democracy is not as representative as you ideally think it is.
Name-calling, blaming minor things like fasting, watching wowowee, our culture, whatever you see on t.v which has absolutely no connection to the main problem at hand won’t do anything constructive, unless of course being constructive is not on your agenda.
I on the other hand see a lot of connections between culture, Wowowee and Filipino bad habits and “the main problem at hand,” which is the way the Filipino people choose their leader. They speak for themselves if you open your eyes.
Hmmmm. I may have been ignorant.
I don’t think the attitude of Filipinos is a one that catches-all in approaching different things.
But I want to hear your perspective. Enlighten me.
Not all Filipinos are like this (but most are), but being a Wowowee fan reflects being a person who does not value intellectuality and values irrationality and dumbness. This irrationality also leads to their wanting a comfortable life without working as much as possible and not thinking much (if at all), so they prefer candidates who would promise to spoonfeed the poor. This led to Erap. Noynoy is becoming another choice like this.
Another perspective is that Filipinos like the really flawed persons. Why do people like Willie Revillame, even if he is proven to be an unethically behaving person? You think Pinoys really like the mababait? Then why was Erap voted in the first place? They represent the typical Filipino. Kung hayup ang voter, hayup din ang iboboto. Now, this is not about Noynoy. I’m just connecting watching Wowowee to political choices.
That “servant leader” concept came from church, I know that’s a popular concept. Thing is, politics in the Philippines does not understand what a servant leader is. Even if Noynoy understood the concept, he would find it difficult indeed to apply in today’s political setting. Hello, separation of church and state?
Chino F,
Ahhhhhh,
That last line of yours is very profound. If Mr. Aquino can’t get that line of the constitution correct, how is he going to respect any of them?
Wow.
He, as of reading your note, has dropped way down my list, which is basically in tatters now, a jumbled pool of flotsam and jetsam awaiting someone really common-sensical, a doer, to rise to the top.
Or I have to come up with some excuse to discard some really big flaws among the leaders . . .
Joe
ahahaha,
erratum,
I read the note, Mr. A did not . . .
my how free flow typing destroys any semblance of grammar . . .
J
Real Deal,
Hi, I’m back.
You kept on harping that people would vote for Noynoy because of his winnability. Is that so bad a reason?
While you, you are voting for Gloria’s stooges who contributed to her garnering a paltry negative, repeat NEGATIVE 38% approval rating from the people, the candidate you’re going to vote being the government official implementing the president’s policies.
Of course I understand why you’re going to do that, and that’s because you are clueless, or don’t care, why she’s so unpopular and detested by the people.
Now, because the candidate you are going to vote for was the one responsible for causing the president’s not so wholesome reputations, it would not be hard to imagine your manok doing the same things again if he wins (am I still making sense, Filo?). As BongV said, “same o, same o”, whatever that means. That means that your manok has the potential of getting the same response from the people…a NEGATIVE 38% approval rating, if not lower. And then you will be clueless again, or don’t care, why that was so.
So, if winnability is not a good criteria in choosing a candidate, is proximity to Gloria a good one?
Be careful, Real Deal, what you call me, because we have a deal.
Proximity vs. winnability. Make your choice, Real Deal.
Now I can see why Erap believes he can win Malacanang-2010.
Not only does Erap have winnability, Erap has a platform!!!
Erap has the experience; Erap is the underdog against the elitists of hacenderos and media columnists; Erap para sa mahirap understands the poor.
Erap has Enrile, Binay, Lim. Erap has Cory’s vote.
That’s a false dilemma. The choices are not limited to proximity or winnability. Fact is choices can be blended:
At the rate you are talking about Gloria’s stooges, and Gloria’s minions – I’d say you are talking about GMA.
You’re correct, BongV. Gibo admitted it, he wants to emulate Gloria, birds of the same feathers, the same talkies, the same attitudes, the same results, the same negative, repeat NEGATIVE 38% approval rating from the people. Need I say more?
In the metaphor of a beauty pageant with standards of beauty as basis and not winnability, you vote for who you think is the most beautiful, not the one who you think will likely win. Would you like to vote on that basis?
Besides, winnability can be manipulated. People can make an illusion of majority which can really deceive people. If everyone votes by winnability, then we’re in the hands of those people and not of our own.
edward,
did you ask jojo robles of Standard if you can quote him? At least bigyan mo naman siya ng credit
Very true, Edward.
Edward,
‘Winnability’ is not my argument. Just that Real Deal kept harping on it and so I have to clarify whether ‘proximity’ to him would be a better alternative to’winnability’ in choosing a candidate, that’s all.
@ Bert
I see.
@ manuelbuencamino
I would. But I didn’t get it from him honestly. I mostly read Inquirer. I got the metaphor from a book regarding short term stock picking in the stock market which supports winnability better than performance.
But kudos to his ideas.
Bert,
The real argument for whom to choose as President should ultimately be:
1. Who is the best prepared for the Presidency?
2. Who is the most knowledgeable on matters regarding running a country and fixing its economy?
3. Who has demonstrated the most enthusiasm and ability to come up with ready answers for how to fix the country?
4. Who has the quickest, smartest brain for running the Philippines?
5. Who has already demonstrated the best leadership ability?
6. Who has a platform and programme of running the government that is relevant to the Real Needs of the Philippine Population? (we really need jobs, not “freedom and democracy!”)
7. Who has the best or optimal mix of all the preceding 6?
But since Noynoy clearly does not figure in any of the 7 that were mentioned above, very clearly, the only reason why Noynoy is chosen by you and Buencamino is WINNABILITY.
And Noynoy is WINNABLE solely on the basis of NOTHING ELSE but his name:
Benigno S. Aquino III: THE NAME YOU KNOW! ;P
“The real argument for whom to choose as President should ultimately be:
1. Who is the best prepared for the Presidency?”
Real Deal,
Prepared for what? Your manok prepared to duplicate GMA’s accomplishments, negative accomplishments at that, that will earn your manok a negative, repeat NEGATIVE POPULARITY ratings from the people?
“2. Who is the most knowledgeable on matters regarding running a country and fixing its economy?”
Real Deal, That’s what GMA’s minnions were saying, the Filipino people never believe that.
“3. Who has demonstrated the most enthusiasm and ability to come up with ready answers for how to fix the country?”
Real Deal, right. In words, not in deed.
“4. Who has the quickest, smartest brain for running the Philippines?”
Just like Marcos. And quickest to fill-up the pockets, too.
“5. Who has already demonstrated the best leadership ability?”
Uhuh, GMA has leadership, too.
“6. Who has a platform and programme of running the government that is relevant to the Real Needs of the Philippine Population? (we really need jobs, not “freedom and democracy!”)”
Platforms are cheap, cheaper if made in Recto and Morayta.
“7. Who has the best or optimal mix of all the preceding 6?”
Ok.
Prepared to run the government on Day 1. What does he intend to do? Where’s his platform?
Running a country and fixing the economy is not a monopoloy of GMA. Are you saying if Noynoy states he is knowledgeable in running the country and fixing the economy people should not believe him because GMA’s minions said that? Since no one is believable, should we just roll the dice? Or should we look harder, Noynoy or Villar aren’t the only candidates in town.
Arroyo is not running so I wonder who is the candidate you are referring to
Just like Kamag-anak Inc. Of course, the oligarchs were unhappy, Marcos did not spread the sunshine. Oligarchs prefer the candidate who spreads the sunshine to oligarchs (but not the people) – you know, why give land, give people a piece of paper they can use to wipe their arses with (if they have toilets).
GMA is not running. UhuhUhuhUhuh
Not having platforms is cheaper – it is FREE. Try getting on a ship without a navigation map, then wonder why you are going nowhere.
Just remember, Arroyo is no longer a candidate.
BongV, me and The Real Deal were talking about manuelbuencamino’s manok Noynoy and The Real Deal’s manok Gibo or Bayani. Not GMA.
Winnability brought as Cory, Erap, and Arroyo.
Try {competence AND integrity AND consistency AND vision} for a change.
Aba, sandali lang akong nalingat ay may napikon na pala dito. Name-calling na pala ang uso. Binabati ko si manuelbuencamino sa kanyang matinong pagsagot. Hindi siya pikon. Mabuhay ka!
Metaphors abound. Isa lang ang maidadagdag ko – ang punong hitik sa bunga ay binabato ng mga pikon at kinakabahan na sa lumiliit na pag-asa ng kanilang nadedehadong manok.
Mantakin mo naman na sa platform pa tayo nagtatalo. Para bang malaki ang pagkakaiba ng mga generic na platform ng mga kandidato. Tiyak ko na pare-pareho lang ang na motherhood statements ang platforms nila.
Hindi kasi pwede na sa track record sa graft & corruption ibaling ang usapan. Panalo si Noynoy diyan. Kung sa intellectual na kakayahan ang usapan, maaaring lamang ng bahagya si Gibo. Pero dahil hindi doon natuon ang usapan, hindi sa kampo ni Gibo galing ang nambabato. Hindi rin kampo ni Erap, dahil sa pamimigay ng goods sa D-E class ang kanilang kampanya, at hindi sa Internet. Hindi rin kina Chiz, neither here nor there pa ang kandidatura niya.
Ergo, kampo ni Villar ang nambabato. Aminin. Hahaha.
ang usapan ay ukol sa platapormang nabura. at ang argumento ay dumaloy kung karapat dapat ba si noynoy sa posisyon. mukha namang walang napipikon at nagpapalitan lang ng kuro kuro sa pamamaraan na komportable ang isa’t isa. konklusyon mo lang yan.
kung ang pananaw mo si noynoy ang iyong iboboto dahil magaling at mabuting tao siya ang iba ay salungat sa yong pananaw.
e ano kung nagtatalo sa platform. sa pandesal nga nagtatalo pati sa galung gong. bwahahaha…
at me pabatobato ka pa ng bunga. parang if a statement or an argument is not in favor of noynoy it is already black propaganda. pati black gulaman black propaganda na din. at lahat ng against kay noynoy ay pro-villar? hehehehe… wooooooo beri good!!!
perryh,
i just want to clarify that those of us here who are demanding for platforms are referring to clear specific plans not motherhood statements. just so you know.
So who’s got clear specific plans?
pusongbato,
kaya nga we’re demanding for it. ala pa. nicanor perlas has tried at least.
the good thing about clear specific plans/ platform is once they’re out we can all start focusing on that. we can all start really debating on the important stuff and see who among the candidates really has what it takes.
pusongbato,
Ben K has a very good platform with specific plans. And benignO and his tsewarewarewaps are voting for Ben K, ahayhehehehe.
We will just waity and see waht Nonoy has to offer to us…
I think Noynoy Aquino did not show some good leadership and problem
solving ability while in office. His own records speak for itself.
We want an able President. Not someone who is too dependent on others. A Real doer. We have numerous problems, aggravated by
calamities. A good name just cannot solve these problems.
just visited a gay freind who is a nurse Clifton NJ and suddenly Nonoy was flash in pinoy channel so napagsusapan na rin kung sino ang iboboto sa sususunod na presidential eleksyon.
Sabi gusto nya si Noynoy kasi kasama daw sa federasyon.
of course I was laughing so hard….what a way to coose a presidential candidate! At dagdag pa nya its about time to have a gay president. Of course, personal nyang haka haka yan, but he has soem basis though, and pointe dout how noynoy holds the microphone with index and ring fingers na nakpilantik, nakatabingi ang ulo, at single pa rin hanggang ngayon….
He is active;y campaigning for And he is telling all his relative
“NINAY for president! NINAY! NINAY! NINAY!
BTW im also gay but Im not impressed with nonoy at all, So I will not be voting for him. So told him I want Gibo. Sabi naman nya:
Ay mahirap yan si Gibo, masyadong matalino!
Natahimik nalang ako.
“Ay mahirap yan si Gibo, masyadong matalino!”
Sadly this reflects how Filipino voters – or Filipinos for that matter – are.
@Chino F:
Are we seeing a pattern here? I mean look: If the smarter a candidate is makes him less trustworthy in the eyes of the electorate, then it follows that the more incompetent he is, the more favored he will be by same electorate. If people assume a candidate isn’t clever enough to dupe them, couple that with imaginary integrity then that’s good enough for them. This explains some people’s tendency to like Noynoy.
If majority of Filipinos would think that way then the rest of us will also pay dearly for their choices.
Dalang-dala na kasi ang mga voters sa katalinuhan ni Marcos at ni Gloria. May phobia na.
Gay or no gay is not the question. If Noynoy Aquino is gay.
He should come out from the closet. He has a girlfriend. So
was the late Rock Hudson, who was even married. Anyway, we dont
want AIDS to spread in Malacanang Palace!
Dear Noynoy,
I am a retired senior citizen if you win as President would you be able to reverse all the mistakes of the previous administrations.
Such as:
1.SSS Retirement Benefit should on the option of the retiree and not the rule of SSS administration after all it is our money contributed wether to claim it as lumpsum, partial lumpsum with monthly pension or as
monthly pension. Added to that total amount of fund should be published and to include where they were invested and the interest they have gained and if there was a loss this has to be explained.
2.Government Agencies were charging unreasonable amount on processing individual documents during the Gloria administration ,have they pocketed all this money.
3. Why did they not channel Pagcors income to subsidies any increase in the price of oil, increase in electricity rates and increases in food prices anyway Pagcors income were generated by our people themselves.
4. No one noticed that the Road user Tax is in fact Double Taxation impose on our citizenry. BIR were collecting income taxes. These is to finance the construction of roads and bridges, hospitals, schools and most of all not to be used except for the welfare of our citizenry.
5. Our Government Agencies should address the needs of our citizens before media will initiate assistance.
6. Our government officials should be accountable in any anomally not merely sacked,transferred or resigned but be jailed.
I would support you to be our next President.
Benign0y,
Since you seem to be such an internet expert and a whiz at finding 404′s, could you lead me to the ‘platforms’ of these other candidates?
All I see you doing is assuming he doesn’t have one (or perhaps celebrating, I don’t know). I didn’t know (or are you a trojan in his inner circle?) that you were so privy to his political plans. How do you know he’s not studying a viable platform right now? How do you know he’s not surrounding himself with good people who have the good of the country in mind? As Tom Clancy likes to often quote, assumptions are the mother of all fuckups.
What I see here is an absolute refusal to accept what is staring you in the face. It may be the name, and even if Real Deal up there says that Cory’s stint on the throne was lackluster at best, why do people associate her with hope for the country, STILL?
This guy will win. Almost no doubt about it. Painful? To some, yes. We sometimes get so hung up in our own version of what’s best for the country that we fail to see any other way about it. Everybody wants to sit on the throne, so at this point call it a matter of egos? None of you can deny that all the viables have shown even a small twinge of self-aspiration that may or may not overpower their love for their country.
Manny? The businessman’s got some skills surely, but one may wonder at the price he paid to get to where he’s at, and wonder even more why he’s clawing tooth and nail to be king. Chiz? Fine ideals surely (according to his website), but faux pas abound, and makes you wonder if his tendency to sleep with the enemy will show up in interesting ‘presidential’ decisions. Gibo, surely it’s obvious by now he’s gotten too comfortable having GMA’s hand up his ass and forgotten that he’s got this ‘vaunted intellect’ to live up to. Besides at a measly 4% (hell, double it and add 2, 10!), why is he even on the plank (the administration suckups’ obvious attempts to keep him relevant, nothwithstanding). Erap? Sheesh, if vindicating yourself is a good reason to run for Prez, I need to throw my card in because someone falsely accused me of running a Jueteng parlor, once. So who else? Oohh, Perlas! Now there’s a character worthy of his own Chuck Norris-style mythology.
Now Noy, what a conundrum this guy is eh? Totally under the radar all these years, his mother kicks the yellow bucket then bam! Presidential son. Go on and bitch and be in denial about his accomplishments, the supposed lack of fire in his belly, his ‘unworthiness’, but you’d have to be blind not to see that he ignites something in the people that none of the others do. That’s what he has to live for, and that along with his parents’ legacy is what gives them hope that he’ll at least make AN HONEST EFFORT to do some good. And that’s more than any of the candidates can lay claim to. Platitudes? Maybe. False hope? Could be. But I know what he’s not: Another 6 years of Trapo. That’s worth a chance. Villar and Chiz will still be there after that, if they survive their crushed egos.
The overdue point is, if these other guys reaaaally had the good of the country in mind, and I say that with absolute faith, they’d do better to attach themselves to the only one with a decent chance of unseating the greedy leprechaun. The one you’re all so vainly trying to take down a notch or two, or three even. Villar and Chiz could accomplish so much more by sharing their oh so brilliant ‘platforms’ and maybe even getting something real done. But oh no, who’ll get the credit for saving the country!
Ako din, kaya ang boto ko, si Noynoy, siya lang ang puwedeng magpatalsik kay duendeng GMA — the only one with a decent chance of unseating the greedy leprechaun.
The idea was that, not only would Noynoy gain the sympathy of the masa gauging from their “show of support” (or maybe just typical Pinoy curiosity getting the best of them, or wanting to be involved in events like this) during Cory’s funeral, but also, and let us not forget, uniting the opposition, hopefully, in order to garner a larger pool of votes as key. Erap’s support is important as he has been still perceived by many to be “pro-masa” and this would, at least, give the impression of a solidly united front for the opposition. Unfortunately, Erap was a thorn here, hence, Noynoy had to meet with him (even as Ondoy continues to ravage the country.) Here, people would excuse Noynoy, but would chastise Mikey, since this really is about politics no matter how others would argue to the contrary.
It was not initially about Noynoy winning–it is rather about “anything GMA” losing. Against the other opposition members with questionable leanings, and with Noynoy whose “stand” is more or less merely confined within lofty abstract ideals (“honesty” is your best quality when nothing else in you stands out), not truly self-driven, and naive enough to be swayed and “puppeted” by extraneous political forces, he turns out to be a good neutral rallying point agreeable amongst the opposition, and their likely bet in going against “anything GMA.” (this is why, apart from “hating GMA,” arguments in Noynoy’s favor remain unconvincing.)
Fickle-mindedness has been a growing pattern in Pinoy politics–They hate a candidate, then, later-on, they love them again or vice-versa. It is best that we form a solid set of criteria before choosing our leaders–in other words, bottom line, what is being questioned here is more on the reasons and set of criteria underlying our choice for leadership. Not whether we prefer this or that candidate and only then bring forth justifications to sustain our sentimental preference.
We are not voting for just ourselves. We are voting for the rest of the country.
Lets just vote for Willie. I have this faith that Mr. Wowwowwee will make an “Honest effort” to save the country. I think he’s also against that “greedy Leprechaun” so that should do it. I heard he’s also a really really good guy. Filipinos don’t need no stinking Platform.
Who has a platform right now?? Can you point me to anybody’s platform please? Maybe willie’s?
I think it is the Hyatt 10, plus Edgardo Roces and Sonia Roco who will be the main brains to create Noynoy’s platform.
I think every candidate will be flocking to Recto and Morayta for their platforms, mas mura doon, at magaling din.
Pusongbato:
You want a platform – try this for size – http://www.nickperlas.com/?page_id=82
Yup, then when “Desperate Housewives ” singles out that Filipinos use diplomas made in Recto and Morayta, rally na naman ang mga genius.
The probability is very very high that Noynoy will be another moral hazard for the Philippines. Just like his Mom was. There is no doubt as to the morality of the individual person that is Cory Aquino.
The Marcos Cory battle was akin to a morality play. But alas in the real world what the country needed then was retribution. What we got from Cory instead was redistribution of the booty.
GMA and her husband with her cabinet loyalists like Ebdane, Yap, Puno and others have actually created their own bureaucracy within the executive bureaucracy and have even extended this to the constitutional bodies, COMELEC, COA, Ombudsman’s Office, GOCC’s and the Judiciary to promote and protect the First Families political and economic self interest. The legislature off course through the pork barrel funding. Even NEDA was compromised. GMA has created more bureaucratic fiefdoms that will defend their positions. This almost complete capture of regulatory institutions of the state wilol be hard to destroy.
I sincerely doubt as to whether Noynoy and Mar will have the stuff required to strip down this system put in place by GMA.
A perfect example was the Joc Joc and Abalos issue. The off budget deficits that GMA’ government has taken on will come back to bite the new government. Everyone is fed the cash accrual position of the annual budgeting process. The long term accrual of debts (future tax payments) of the public sector is never brought out in the open. Hence we go through bouts of fiscal distress repeatedly.
I am waiting for a candidate who will come on preaching retribution on behalf of the hapless public.
This country has never been tainted with the smell of success. In one respect bO is absolutely correct.
We love to revel in our failures. Miriam was almost elected president when she was spewing fire and brimstone versus malfeasance.
Where is the disgust and revulsion against an almost insane incompetence?
A almost complete idiot like Trillanes was elected simply because he presented himself as a giant slayer.
Now we have this present seemingly moral hazard Noynoy. You need a functioning government for platforms. The gutting of the government is almost complete.
Excuse me, but have any of you checked out the websites of Manny Villar (http://www.mannyvillar.com.ph/), Chiz Escudero (http://www.chizescudero.com/), or Gilbert Teodoro (http://www.gibo.ph/index.aspx)? None of these sites have any information on their “platforms”. Their platforms are non-existent. Wala. Nada. Niente.
Type platform.php (just the way the author did) after Chiz’s link, and Google says, oops this link appears to be broken.
If you do this re Manny’s link, Google says it has a problem loading the page.
Now, as for Gilbert’s site, it takes you to an html page displaying the ‘latest’ news.
So, I’m beginning to wonder, as an associate pointed out, how this post passed the muster of the Filipino Voices editorial board in the first place.
@Helga, ask benignNO, sya ang puno’t dulo nitong “platform plez” na ito eh. Wala pa naman pala lahat ng kandidatong naka-post na palataporma e why’s he’s singling out Noy?
leo:
try this for size – http://www.nickperlas.com/?page_id=82
Helga: Pare-pareho lang ang mga kandidato, di ba? Kung ano ang gawa ni Chiz at Villar, gawa din ni Noynoy at hindi maunawaan ng mga tao kung ano nga ba ang kanilang uunahin at ano ang gagawing kaiba kay Cory o kaiba kay GMA kapag nagi silang presidente.
Kaya nga baka ang mangyari ay makabalik si Erap-para-sa-mahirap, alam na ng lahat ang kaniyang patakbo lalo na sa Mindanao.
so that’s your biggest aspiration. to get gma booted out. and what next after that? this is getting idiotic.
Right now yes, the country’s going straight hell in a handbasket with her in the driver’s seat.
What exactly will make it a ‘better’ Philippines for you?
i must admit i too once thought that the best approach to achieve a betterphilippines is too focus on ridding the government of corruption. thanks to a wise friend of mine i have since realized that this is too idealistic.
according to him, if we really want things to improve for filipinos and the philippines what the government needs to do is to aim for and achieve rapid and massive economic development.
my friend put it simply: when people are not economically hard up it would be easier for them to be decent; it’s hard to be decent when you’re financially lacking.
so for me its rapid and massive economic development first and foremost. that means whoever will be the next president should at least have a well thought out plan to achieve this.
what turns me off about noynoy is the fact that all he has to offer is his so-called honesty and there seems to be no effort on his part to prove to us that he has the ability, skills, and creativity to do more than just get pgma out of office. to put it simply, what’s next after he replaces pgma? if he doesn’t have a plan how can he be good for the country.
i do doubt though, judging by his character, if noynoy can even be a good leader. he’s weak, a pushover if i may say so.
what we need is a true leader not just a posterboy for some imagined trait. now don’t get me wrong i do value honesty but if that’s all there is no thanks.
betterphilippines: Jobs, jobs, jobs. Pero wala naman sinasabi si Noynoy at Villar at lahat ng kandidato kung ano ang kanilang patakaran para dumami ang trabaho sa Pilipinas. Mukhang patakbong-GMA ang uulitin — ang trabaho ay nasa Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Lebanon.
Kailangan ng mga Pilipino ay trabaho!
james at pasig,
precisely. that is why some of us here are making the call for platforms. the sooner our candidates reveal their platforms the sooner we can start really debating on the good stuff such as the merits of their plans. examining their platforms will also help us know once and for all who is the best candidate and who is just pandering to the masses.
It is a foregone conclusion that GMA will be “booted out” by virtue of the Constitutional term limits.
kailangan ng Pilipino ng trabaho, kaso ang sinuportahan nilang konstitusyon at mga politiko ay kontra sa foreign investments na nakakabigay ng trabaho.
can’t have the cake and eat it too.
Paul,
Good to have your common sense join a dialogue that is essentially a bunch of people trying to impose rules and biases on other people.
Dialogue is dialogue, good any time. Any question is fair, any time. Any answer if fair, any time. But, somehow, this seems to be a thread of swinging a bat first, discussing second . . .
Joe
Hi joe
Nice post. Good analogy/analysis.
Problem with forums like this is that, on the context that boys will be boys (or boys will be gays… hehehehe):
1. significant number forumers will argue on more on the form and not the substance.
2. would dwell and stick on his own belief and perception without reading and considering other facts. basta ako Toyota! basta ikaw Crispa!
Jet
“a bunch of people trying to impose rules and biases on other people.”
This so describes Filipino culture, Joe.
don’t think that Filipinos are the only one of that “bunch of people” that you describe. behavior is common among forums where men mostly engage themselves in “flame wars”.
…been there… done that. hehehe. cheers chino.
That’s true, Jet. Pinoys just have their own special way of doing this. But I realize, better we don’t call them Pinoy or Filipino at all. Just plain…. fill in the blank.
Magandang araw po.
Nakakalungkot talagang isipin na sa mahigit na isang dekadang bumoboto ako ay wala halos pinagkaiba ang pangalan na isinusulat ko sa balota. Kung meron may ay wala naman pinagka-iba ang systema.
Now we are going automated election. I would like to inform and remind our voters, especially those who are less fortunate, less educated and used by politician to somehow thru or by your office you could constantly remind them of their power to choose the rightful leader.
It will be also great if Philippine Tv or Radio Network could also allot an hour / daily of RADIO program that will serve ON AIR the CRY and VOICE of the Filipino people thru their text message, internet message, fax and phone message. I think this method is much needed now or during the campaign period that our voters will have a nationwide medium of exchanging their thoughts in shaping and evolving our wanna be leaders.
Through the peoples views and comments, you can evaluate in what aspect our leaders should focus in making the Filipino lives get better.
Here I give you some of my views:
A)
please campaign for ANTI DYNASTY BILL
campaign to VOTE for congressman who supports ANTI DYNASTY BILL
now is the time to change the MENTALITY of congress.
DO NOT VOTE diehard allies of GMA, walang delicadeza, palabra de honor at prinsipyo.
B)
1) Disqualify all elected official who has a long list of family in our political arena. Kaya di umasenso bayan natin kasi kamag-anak system.
2) Imprison all local official found guilty of fostering illegal settlers all around metro manila. May “BATAS” na bawal sila duon pero rason ni Mayor o Cong.
“walang relocation” the truth is DAGDAG BOTO para sa kanila yan.
3) Have a lifestyle check sa municipal o local level offices. Ilang mayor na ang nagdaan pero nandun pa rin si City Chief engr at asst. engr. sa municipyo dahil nga may security of tenure. Ang resulta puro de-presyo na ang mga pirma nila, iskwater dito iskwater duon, kalsadang pang sampung buwan lang itatagal atbp.
4) Ipakulong ang mga mayor o governor na nag-project ng street lighting before election (just to gain vote for a 2nd term at pampapogi) then after winning and having it lighted for about 2 week ay WALA NG PAKINABANG ang mga pailaw nila. Milyon ang nasayang at nabulsa.
5) Kung maari lang ay gumawa ng BATAS KONTRA PUBLIC WORK SIGNAGE o BILLBOARD na may mukha ni PULITIKO. hindi nila pera ang ginagastos diyan at wala rin kaming utang na loob sa kanila. Obligasyon niya ang public service.
6) Don’t re-elect Congressman who made NO effort in
generating jobs in their respective districts. Kaya overcrowded at polluted ang Manila dahil sa migration ng rural habitant.
ang pang huli ay BAWAS-BAWASAN ninyo ang pakikipag-alyansa politikal. Iyan ang sanhi kaya wala pang mapa-kulong na mayor o congressman ukol sa kanyang corruption at negligence in duties.
SALAMAT PO!
I hope your company will somehow find a way where we-the Filipino people can voice out our disappointments, complains and opinion over the Government. Because as per my observation, the government will not act unless there is a CAMERA right at their face or a MEDIA exposure.
Philippines is a democratic country, the benefits should be FOR the Filipino people and the country’s destiny is BY the Filipino people. If we the people will have no way in the MEDIA airwaves, and only the people in power / broadcaster / actors were constantly ON it. Who do you think most of the people will vote? I say “anyone from them”, the past elections was already a battle of popularity in Media coverage. Now is the time to change it, let the people be heard or be seen so that they may vote WISELY.
MARAMI PONG SALAMAT at napag-bigyan ninyo ng tuon ang aking sulat. God bless.
“but you’d have to be blind not to see that he ignites something in the people that none of the others do.” – pusong bato.
This is indeed the foundation of Nonoys bandwagon. But you have to understand that this is exactly the same reason why Chiz was the second placer in the last senatorial election. People saw something igniting on Chiz but look what he is now? Same goes with Trillanes.. Honasan.
Di ka ba nakapagtataka na Noynoy was in politics for more than 10 years now and he did not ignite something. Then sudenly namatay lang si Cory he already ignites something? Did he do something. Wala naman di ba? Namatay lang talaga si Cory.
Kaya eto nga ang punto, that again the filipinos is being emotional uli rather than logical to choose noynoy. And we already know the result ng ginawa ng mga pinoy ang ganyang pagpili eh.
rego,
exactly
@ buencamino
1. if your definition of “throwing mud” is stating facts that one doesn’t like about noynoy, you be comfortable with that. where you’re coming from is a context of compassion that “he who is against us is not with us”. any negative statement against noynoy is either black propaganda or black gulaman.
2. you said
“tell me your candidate…”
“So tell me who among the presidentiables is a supercar?”
“How did your candidate do in the polls?”
by analogy buencamino, you are doing your survey. may i ask why?
3. i did not post anything about a YES or a NO vote. Where in the hell are you coming from buencamino?
Re:”Equalizer’s Facing The Facts”
When was it ever wrong to ask questions?
What would be wrong is if the questions remain unanswered.
The Noynoy camp would do well to think about the Equalizer’s concerns, and to address them now.
@ Paul Pasia
I reviewed the comments here, Mr. Pasia. I don’t think anyone here is mocking peoples’ hopes. I only see glaringly obvious things about that hope being pointed out — and foremost among these things is the lack of anything that substantiates said hope.
Perhaps that pointing out of the characteristics of this empty hope comes across to those who cling to it as a form of mockery. But whose issue is that perception? Consider what the eminent consultant Clarence Henderson describes as the onion-skinnedness of Pinoys:
This syndrome characteristic of Pinoys is also related to this quick labelling as “mayabang” (arrogant) of people who voice out opinions or views that are either (a) perceived to be not appropriate for “polite” conversation, or (b) have the result (often not intentionally) of someone losing “face”.
Michael Tan writes about this trait of ours at length in his piece “The Myth of Asian Modesty“:
We see some of the behaviour described above in Manuel Buencamino‘s demeanour in the face of overwhelming challenges to his views. Mr. Buencamino — noted columnist, respected blogger, and esteemed peer of other traditional “expert” pundits such as Dean Jorge Bocobo, the venerable Abe Margallo, esteemed U.P. Professor (U.P. nga ba?) “blackshama”, etc. being placed under scrutiny by a bunch of humble characters who came out of the digital woodwork with these cutting-edge propositions for an innovative way forward for The Filipino.
It’s a bit poignant to regard the sight of such a man, reduced to hurling profanities at people who present counter-proposals to his that reveal the extent of the void upon which he had built his assertions.
You can understand now that Pinoy society is gripped not just by a cadre of traditional politicians and a boy’s club of entrenched oligarchs, but also by an entire class of traditional “thought leaders” who exchange inbred “ideas” among themselves within that small square that had defined Filipino thinking for decades — even centuries. Outside-the-square ideas like, say, platforms matter, and hope needs to be substantiated having been so outside the domain of “debate” engaged in by this class of traditional “thought leaders” then come across to them as so outrageous in their proposals and their messengers so audacious in their efforts to pitch these groundbreaking ideas to The Filipino that they react in the same manner that the very politicians they supposedly critique react to threats against the status quo.
Look for example at Buencamino’s response to the simple question: Hope in what exactly?:
… which simply begs the question: Set things right how exactly?
You can see in the above example how people such as Manuel Buencamino paint themselves into a corner with every hollow assertion they make.
To be fair, I guess one would resort to cussing as well if one finds one’s self painted into a corner, don’t you think? Sometimes it is your own stupidity that tends to annoy you the most.
benigno…
i don’t think that there’s no need to cite where one is coming from in the real world. bad yan. the uncultured antics such as disrespect for one’s opinion, trolling, and other forms of “annoying stupidity” as you put it… may be matched with the persona that he wants to portray in other forms of communications. tsk tsk tsk… wawa naman yung tawu. mag mumukhang… gulaman?
hehehehe.
guess we should just stick to the letter and the spirit of the argument…
Disappointed, with the post, with the comments. Beavis and Butthead nod towards other writers and commenters. Childish.
Very disappointed. On many comments, not just the anti-Noynoy, but on the pro-Noynoy here.. hard to moderate both sides on this one, so I’ll just let you finish until we’re done with our tirades, get this one out of your system.
Again, my dismay. For all the grand statements on making our nation better, I feel it’s who has the biggest stick that matters in this recent “debate”.
*no reply needed on this comment*
In case you haven’t noticed, Mr. Editor-”not”-Chief, there is no “anti-Noynoy” camp here. There is only the issue taken (a) with regard to Noynoy not having a platform, and (b) on how those who publicly endorse him not only scoff at but take offense at any challenges made on the nature of this endorsement.
Furthermore, the post that you supposedly are “disappointed” with makes a very clear statement of the issue at hand — that of a sudden disappearance of the platform section of Noynoy’s website.
And as to this rather quaint footer you add to your comment above:
… I beg to differ, Nick. You can’t just post a comment and not expect to be responded to. That’s a cop out and you may as well not have commented to begin with in this public forum. Here is what you do in principle:
(1) you voice an opinion in a public forum; but then,
(2) make a blanket declaration that you will subsequently dismiss whatever anyone here has to say about this opinion you voice.
That’s the kind of Buencaminoism that the people you call “anti-Noynoy” have been pointing out here (a point that obviously flew over your head as well, Mr. Editor). You seem to fail to see the irony in the boss of Filipino Voices (which I might remind you is a blog) discouraging people from responding to a opinion you publish.
Try to step back a bit, boss, and hitch a ride back onto the PLOT.
Look over your comment again, Nick. You make a lot of statements that seem to be deliberately made ambiguous — the hallmark of a man weighed down by politics. Tragic. It’s no surprise that you discourage any further reply. I believe it is because you yourself know that the kind of replies you will get will eventually reveal the corner you have painted yourself into as well.
Step out of it dude and make a clear position on the matter instead of playing King Solomon here.
Benigz, you heard me, the cartoon was not needed.
Too much politics, clearly you disagree with Margallo, Bert, Buencamino and the like, but to the man who makes it a point to look at the issue, the greater scope of things, you certainly can stray away from that greater scope and focus on the pettiness of personalities.
Do not make a straw man of my “no reply needed on this comment”, as it was a suggestion, as subsequent comments will further stray away from the topic at hand.
But look towards how your article was constructed, doing away with many parts would have been commendable.
Filipinos are addicted to Politics. Same way as Americans are addicted to sports team like: baseball,
hockey, football, basketball, etc…We speak politics.
We breath politics. We fight for politics. We get high
also on Politics. Like a SHABU addict do. These useless
polioticians are like our SHABU.
Look past the cartoon, Nick, into the satire of its content. Furthermore, Manuel Buencamino’s previous article is the context that makes that cartoon relevant in this instance. What you say, therefore, takes that cartoon out of its context and you are therefore making a strawman of it as well. So two can play at this strawman game, boss.
Satire, of course, why didn’t I think of that!! you’re brilliant!
Bert, and Buencamino? That my friend is focusing on personalities, where is your usual greater perspective? This is not a game, this may be a game to you but to some this is for a greater purpose of informing not making a mockery of what can be accomplished with this collective.
The cartoon, again, is not needed. If you fail to realize this, then you lost sight at what is important. Not to stroke your ego, get ahead over Buencamino, or Bert, but to actually focus on our readers.
The cartoon makes sense to me.
The cartoon is reminder the candidate will be packaged. He has already been packaged, he will continually be packaged, the yellow and the morose serious look is part of the packaging.
It is a few more months to May-2010.
Whether it is Gibo, Villar, Erap-para-sa-mahirap or the heart throb Noynoy, buying the giftwrap can lead to a disappointment. No-return-no-exchange after May-2010.
That particular cartoon is fair. The Cartoon alluding to Beavis and Butthead (Bert and Buencamino) that’s a low blow, not needed, and childish.
i didnt know that Beavis and butthead were supposed to represent Bert and Buencamino… how do you know this?
First a link was provided in the credits for the cartoon.
I have a feeling that you already know this, instead of saying just so you know, I will just say that was my Responde SiS Vous Plait.
Another response would be it was lifted from a comment in another blog.
oonga no, may link. ty.
di ba sa t-shirt prints pa lang, obvious na?
One thing I noticed about pro-Noynoy supporters is their lack of meaningful and insightful response. You ask simple questions like how and why and they’ll just simply go on the defensive mode. Their replies are short of saying “Ah, basta! Mananalo si Noynoy! There is nothing you can do!” Yeah it’s true there’s a big chance he will win but does this mean those who doubt his credibility should just sit back and watch?
Is it wrong to ask why they forced him to run? Is it wrong to ask how he plans to get the country out of this mess? Why is coming up with a platform so hard? Obviously, it’s because they don’t want to answer difficult questions once their plans are made public; and more importantly, majority don’t really care if he has any concrete plans at all because he is Ninoy and Cory’s son. Period.
The reason why people in government get away with incompetence is because their supporters treat them like angels or saints who can do no wrong. We are all humans, including Noynoy. He has a lot of friends and relatives he also needs to please.
Again, I am not anti-Noynoy. I just hate the fact that his supporters forced him to run after Cory’s death and his supporters keep defending his lack of concrete plan. It’s as if his supporters can read his mind and they know he’s going to be the right one. Why and how?
Indeed, simple questions as to how he will govern should be asked. And every discerning voter should indeed ask that question.
And that exactly, is what platforms are all about – how does one intend to govern? By the looks of it – for one discerning voter there are 10 vacuous voters who would vote for whoever the { barangay captain / head of the clan / mayor / councilor / priest / etchas etchas media “expert” } tells them.
Ilda,
I think Mr. Aquino is going about it the right way, spending some time going about the country listening to people. From that he will develop his platform. If he listens well, he will pick up that people see him as weak. If he is wise, he will develop an organization, a staff of people who will be strong and precise at articulating his campaign message.
It would not be appropriate for him to whip out a platform before doing his listening. That would be preaching rather than solving problems.
The concern that was raised for me today was his apparent religious bent, and the presidency MUST be secular — to do the hard things the Philippines must do to curtail runaway population growth in an era of limited resources.
So I think, give the man a little time. Campaigns cannot even officially begin yet, by law, and a testy attorney would argue that publishing a platform is campaigning. All this word rattling is very premature.
Joe
considering his lineage (A mother who made prayer a priority, even when president), the only religious thing he’s done so far take a short retreat before figuring out what to do. After announcing his candidacy, he made their heads explode by saying he was a supporter of the RH bill, a secular piece of almost-dead legislation that all the Catholics are mandated by their church to oppose (hell, they’ve gone as far as to threaten to name politicians they will ‘blacklist’ for supporting it.)
I think that says a lot about how he plans to separate church and state. Not ALL, and certainly not DEFINING, but a lot.
Manny Villar has openly opposed it. Funny because the first iteration of that bill was co-authored by his wife, Cynthia.
I totally agree with you with him taking time on his platform. The author of this piece would love to point out he has none (made public), yet really, which of them do? My questions posed at him remain unanswered.
pusongbato,
Ahh, excellent point about his support for the reproductive health legislation. It would also suggest that the notion he is wishy washy and not able to stand for himself might be a label, wrongly affixed. If, during the campaign period, he demonstrates that he is decisive, in-control, and able to hire good people, I think he will waltz right into the Palace.
Joe
ilda,
its fine to ask him for a platform. this is fine, and he ultimately will present one once the campaign period begins.
did people force him to run? i dont know he was ‘forced’ — strange word, like he’s not doing this of his own volition.
he is a public servant is a decent legislative record — a record that tells us about his priorities.
he doesnt have a political scandal associated with his being in a political position.
thats a start, but its not the end. he will have a platform, and we can debate this then.
but now, its too early to debate programs and platforms
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090829-222555/Noynoy-Wear-yellow-if-you-want-me-to-run
Noynoy: Wear yellow if you want me to run.
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=7113
Tinatanggap ko ang hiling ng sambayanan.
Tinatanggap ko rin po ang tagubilin ng aking mga magulang.
Tinatanggap ko ang responsibilidad na ituloy ang laban para sa bayan.
Tinatanggap ko ang hamon na mamuno sa laban na ito.
Bayang Pilipinas, tatakbo ako sa pagka-pangulo sa darating na halalan.
Tutuloy po natin ang laban. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
The above links shows you that Noynoy has this virtual imagination that the “sambayanan” “forced” him to run for presidency. It is as if the whole 87 million Filipinos are the “sambayanan” that he refers to.
The “responsibilidad”? Siguro ito yung platform na hinahanap nya… baka di pa makita. Hehehehe.
“Ang hamon ng sambayanan” gwabe. Parang 87 million ang naghamon sa kanya.
What are his priorities then? Can you provide as a link at least of the records that you’re talking about?
jet,
this langauge that he’s using is common when referring to decisions to run — that running for high public office are big decisions that require invoking” fate”, heavy “burdens”, “vision”, etc. politicians everywhere do this.
link on his legislative record:
http://haringliwanag.pansitan.net/?p=809
according to the website you’ve posted he has chaired the following committees:
Chairman, Committee on Local Government
Co-chair, Committee on Justice and Human Rights
I beg the indulgence of the forum editor for the repost.
Gaby. let me lead your argument on my post earlier.
The “technical” part of drafting, authoring, sponsoring, co-sponsoring a bill is not what it seems that the legislators who performs said legislative processes LIVES UP TO THE SPIRIT of the law that he’s dangling on the floor of the senate or congress.
Both the lower and upper houses are divided into committees so that the loot shall be apportioned accordingly. From committees such as ways and means, agriculture, energy, environment etc… both senators and congressmen haggle for membership or seats in not only one but many committees… the more committees… more opportunities… virtual or material. Fortunately for them almost all politicking are done by their chiefs of staffs (COS)… up to the drafting. Only a few do things by themselves. Point is in most cases the buck stops at the COS. The function of the legislator for each committee is to draft and read the bill on the floor and the bill has to be related to the committee in which he is a member of.
Having mentioned these facts, we cannot conclude that the legislators are living up to the “spirit” of the law they have “technically” authored or sponsored. Majority of them are came to be member of a committee accidentally… where he has no option but to author, sponsor, co-author co-sponsor bills within the bounds of the committee/s he is a member of.
ERGO, don’t conclude that bill speaks for the persona of the legislator. That is a pro-intellectually poor argument.
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according to you gabby:
“this langauge that he’s using is common when referring to decisions to run — that running for high public office are big decisions that require invoking” fate”, heavy “burdens”, “vision”, etc. politicians everywhere do this.”
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used by “politicians everywhere”? are you trying to downgrade your chosen presidentiable to a mere trapo?
going back to your syllogism that on his perception he was not “forced” or coerced by the “taong bayan”. the links i’ve posted shows that noynoy has a virtual or imagined form of sampling and population method where the respondents are a representation of the 87 million filipinos.
he virtually asked the “taong bayan” to wear yellow. then after a while after certain virtual and imagined form getting the “whole” population of the Phiippines, he said
Tinatanggap ko ang hiling ng sambayanan.
Tinatanggap ko rin po ang tagubilin ng aking mga magulang.
Tinatanggap ko ang responsibilidad na ituloy ang laban para sa bayan.
Tinatanggap ko ang hamon na mamuno sa laban na ito.
Bayang Pilipinas, tatakbo ako sa pagka-pangulo sa darating na halalan.
Tutuloy po natin ang laban. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas
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Anong “laban natin”? Anong “responsibilidad nya”?
Pero kung sinasabi mong nanggagaya sya ng mga style ng mga politicians. You’re giving Noynoy a bad name.
Ibig sabihin ba nun Gaby wala si Noynoy sa sarili nya nung sinabi nya yang mga yan?
“The function of the legislator for each committee is to draft and read the bill on the floor and the bill has to be related to the committee in which he is a member of.”
assuming this is correct, shouldnt the legislator then agree/support the bill he sponsors?
if he has to “draft”/write it, he should understand it.
if the bill has to be “related” to the committee (i’m not sure what this means), doesnt he/she have to agree with it, to defend it among his comrades?
first, he is not my candidate.
second, what i was saying is that invoking these words is common to many politicians. all politicians, presumably the good ones, say that they are seeking office to benefit the people, etc…
does that make him a trapo? a trapo is a pejorative, whose definition is somewhat subjective. you can consider him a trapo if you wish.
next you say: “the links i’ve posted shows that noynoy has a virtual or imagined form of sampling and population method where the respondents are a representation of the 87 million filipinos.”
indeed! this is called a constituency — his supporters, his base.
almost all politicians believe that their constituency represents a silent majority, a “bayan” if you will. this is standard fare and obvious– after all, if a politician doesnt believe that a majority (or plurality) agrees with him, WHY RUN AT ALL?
obviously, not everyone will literally be a part of his supporters at the start of the campaign. again, this is obvious — if were clear that the vast majority wanted him to be president, why have an election?
no, he has to earn our trust, market himself, among people who are NOT his supporters.
then you say: “Anong “laban natin”? Anong “responsibilidad nya”?
Pero kung sinasabi mong nanggagaya sya ng mga style ng mga politicians. You’re giving Noynoy a bad name.”
this is noynoy’s job as a candidate. to define these things, the “laban”, responsibilidad.
its our job as voters to believe him or not — if he like his definition; then we vote for him.
gaby you said (or asked):
“if the bill has to be “related” to the committee (i’m not sure what this means), doesnt he/she have to agree with it, to defend it among his comrades?”
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if “are not sure” on the relationship between the bill, the committee and the legislators with their COSs, what’s the use of asking such a question?
siguro mag research ka na lang muna kung paano gumagawa ng batas sa senado at congresso. sorry ha mukhang di mo naintindihan ang post ko. hehehehe.
@jet
from what you are saying, the vast majority of senators/congressmen dont do any work at all — its all the work of the chiefs of staff….
if true, i’d like to know why.
gaby… you asked:
from what you are saying, the vast majority of senators/congressmen dont do any work at all — its all the work of the chiefs of staff….
if true, i’d like to know why.
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naku gabi… di ko sinasabi yan… never concluded that… at mahirap i conclude yan… ang sinasabi ko yung bulk ng trabaho ay nasa mg chief of staff nila. beeeeeeeeep… wrong analysis. hehehehe.
ok. understood.
so, the question is: what do legislators do? when they author bills, do they believe in them?
you said”Having mentioned these facts, we cannot conclude that the legislators are living up to the “spirit” of the law they have “technically” authored or sponsored. Majority of them are came to be member of a committee accidentally… where he has no option but to author, sponsor, co-author co-sponsor bills within the bounds of the committee/s he is a member of.”
this is a striking finding, if true.
@GabbyD,
Here’s the simple sequence of events:
* Cory passes away.
* There was a big surge of emotion for her passing from her supporters.
* Die hard supporters write a letter appealing for Noynoy (some even crying) to run for presidency.
* Mar pulls out of the race to give way to Noynoy despite Noynoy still undecided.
* Noynoy announces he will go on a retreat to find an answer – meaning he does not know what to do.
*Noynoy comes out of the retreat and announces his bid for the presidency.
* And the rest is history for you…
You still think he wasn’t forced? What would you do if you were in his shoes? How could you say no to people saying you have to continue your parents’ legacy? I think this is why his supporters feel the need to defend him all the time. It’s because people decided he should run. He was given an offer he couldn’t refuse.
@ilda
in this case, lets not use the word ‘force’.
what i think ur saying is he was being emotionally manipulated to run, thru guilt, or some such trick.
in this case, u really dont think highly of people in general (and noynoy specifically) if you believe that people can be emotionally manipulated to make life altering decisions like this.
moreover, you think he was manipulated AFTER he gave himself time, 1 month, to think.
now, i understand how we can be fooled to do stupid things, but that requires a quick, snap judegements/decisions. lots of weddings in las vegas happen this way (or so i learned from the hangover movie!)
but given a month, he was STILL goaded into running?
if you still believe this, you really do believe noynoy is extremely gullible and can be fooled rather easily. i wonder what he’s done to deserve such an opinion .
@ gabby
you said on the context of the legislation process:
ok. understood.
ang sinabi ni mi ay:
that is well and good. at least for a time we have a common ground.
you asked:
so, the question is: what do legislators do? when they author bills, do they believe in them?
sabi ni mi:
what’s the point of saying that “nonoy has a good legislative agenda” if one doesn’t know the whole process of it? or rather the whole context of drafting a bill?
your asking such question is like: if nonoy has a good legislative agenda… what does noynoy do? when he’s authored a bill does he believe in it?
only noynoy, kris aquino, and the gods of the pink sister’s convent can answer that.
you quoted me and said:
you said”Having mentioned these facts, we cannot conclude that the legislators are living up to the “spirit” of the law they have “technically” authored or sponsored. Majority of them are came to be member of a committee accidentally… where he has no option but to author, sponsor, co-author co-sponsor bills within the bounds of the committee/s he is a member of.”
this is a striking finding, if true.
ang sabi ni mi:
this is not a new and significant finding. CEOs, CIOs, COOs have chiefs of staff to do their dirty jobs.
@jet
thats right! i want to know the whole context of the bill, and the legislator’s exact involvement in it.
you are saying (correct me if i am wrong) that we cannot say whether or not a bill reflects the legislators true position, coz either:
1) its the chief of staff that wanted it done
OR
2) its by necessity/accident. congressmen are randomly assigned commitee memberships and whatever the committe wants, EVERYONE on the committe must be a co-author.
(1) is very striking. you’d think that the COS works for the congressman, NOT the other way around. the COS is only the agent, working in behalf of the congressman/senator
(2) is also surprising, at least to me. but can’t we look at sole-authorship proposed bills? definitely, no one else other than the congresman/senator wrote that if he is the sole author (except for the COS, but see (1)).
GabyD
namber wan
what’s the point of saying noynoy has a “good legislative record” if one doesn’t know how the process of bill enactments work?
anyone who is dead set to campaign for noynoy should not dangle this hallow and shallow phrase.
namber tu
as to your query on the process and the function of the COS of a legislator. mukhang nangingisda ka lang. fishy fishy… hehehe… libre mo muna ako ng pisbol at black gulaman bago kita sagutin.
@jet
well, if asking for more info is “pangisngisda”, then i readily concede. i’m interested in what u know about the legislative process…
if u dont want to share, then don’t. i DO find the things you’ve shared are interesting, if true.
now, i believe the legislator has a big role in the bills that he authors, and even co-authors.
thats why i think i/we can see the legislators’ priorities by his legislative record.
Gabby,
Let us go back to your context of stating “he is a public servant is a decent legislative record — a record that tells us about his priorities” Why then are you asking about me about me of what I know on the legislative process?
We’re running in circles Gabs… reposting will be such a waste of bandwidth. It would be nice to “get into the context” of what posters would like to say before trying to zero into a particular area of what he’s posted. That is what most journalists do in the Philippines… highlighting an issues out of context.
wawa naman tayo at magpapaikot ikot lang tayo ng tanungan. Buti pa manlibre ka na lang ng pisbol at black gulaman.
In the words of the OFWs from UK…. TSERS Gabs!
@jet
when i wrote: “he is a public servant is a decent legislative record — a record that tells us about his priorities” i meant it.
but isnt your point that the legislative process implies that we cannot discern his priorities? tama ba:
“The “technical” part of drafting, authoring, sponsoring, co-sponsoring a bill is not what it seems that the legislators who performs said legislative processes LIVES UP TO THE SPIRIT of the law that he’s dangling on the floor of the senate or congress.”
so, its important for you to spell out what why a congressman/sentor’s priorities not reflected in the bills he’s authored…
kung ayaw mo, or if you feel its a waste of time, oks lang. i’m just trying to have a conversation
hay nako gabi… duduguin ako sa ‘yo. basahin mo ulit ang sinabi ko… merong scroll up function ang mouse natin.
since you’ve meant what you’ve posted… i presume (correct me if i’m left or right… hehehe), you understand the whole process of bill enactment… from the conception part to te lobbying part.
if you want to start a conversation with me… i’ll give you my phone number… sige tawagan mo ako… pag usapan natin kung kelan mo kami ililibre ng pisbol at black gulaman ni Ilda. magbigay ka na rin ng librent t-shirt na nakalagay… I HEART NOYNOY and KRIS.
@jet
well, i think i do. i think that the congressman should know/understand/support the bills she/he authors.
if you have any evidence to the contrary, share it naman!
PS: di ako mahilig sa gulaman. taho na lang!
it’s too early to debate programs and platforms but it is okay to campaign based on gut?
kahit sa political campaign – culture of impunity pa rin, and then magtataka kung ba’t pinagtatawan ang katarantaduhan.
hay buhay.
Reviewing Noynoy’s website tells me a lack of managerial skill. Hiring a manager to promote, advertise and market is also a talent expected from him. Or the talent he hired does not fit the job description. BUT still , it will not excuse Noynoy’s DUTY to appoint and to lead his people. He must have the ability to choose the right team for his campaign. Choosing like appointing someone in office is a MUST skill to have if he would like to become the President. We want Noynoy to chose the right appointees without conflict of interest.
The website asking for avatar can be a sign that Noynoy may not be able to delegate a simple task. How much more of delegating and leading the many different levels of government entities under his command.
In fairness, i’t s not only Noynoy . I am sensing majority of them lacks the leadership skills on how to gather the many levels of government entities to execute a Plan. There were many plans written in Our Constitution and yet undelivered to the many beneficiaries.
A platform can be readily available and verbally deliver to the public like a promise but the PROCESS of achieving good results has always been the WEAKNESS. This weakness must be discussed consistently for educational purposes and must be published thru the media. We want our leaders to EXECUTE instead of pointing fingers.
The Real Mang Juan may have resided in Malacanang…
With all due respect leytenian, you couldn’t have gotten this more wrong.
Involving the public in an effort such as that avatar design is the first step to a well thought out viral campaign. Can you imagine the number of people who will be participating, add that to those who will be campaigning for their favorites and sending traffic to his site?
Not only that, it shows that Noy is willing to listen and involve the people in his plans. A good manager not only must know how to lead, but also how to listen.
just a question. what public are you refering to? kasi parang buong public exerts such an effort.
pusongbato,
“A good manager not only must know how to lead, but also how to listen.”
sadly to say, this country has never been able to find th right kind of manager and even demand from their leader to listen. You have been ignored for a while… the result is third world still. If they have listened to the people, acted upon it, this countr could have been much better by now.
Go ahead, be an artist and make the perfect avatar for Noynoy, let’s see if the rest of this country will benefit from it. This is not the kind of discussions that the public should engage.
Viral campaign? he can ask wowowee or his siter Kris to campaign for him at her show. And that’s not even acceptable for me.
Like Manny Villar, giving out plastic goods with his name on it after Ondoy was not acceptable.It was a formed of solicitation and bribery.
Also Chiz’s idea letting children spare school but will get their diplomas.( not bad but I can accept it)
Estrada , who is a gambler and womanizer ( wrongful act)
Poor Pinoys, still looking for a perfect avatar …
an avatar? my goodness. I don’t need help finding my own avatar. This is not the kind of help that I will ask my people if I happen to run. I will not even disclose it in public because it is too embarassing to ask.
Noynoy can ask the right kind of help that will engage the country into a more common sense type of participation. What will a perfect avatar do for our country huh?
Hi Leytenian, the Noynoy Avatar is only one fundraising project for the uniform fundraising during campaign period. Noynoy’s supporter will be using all the same avatar all throughout the whole campaign period in all types of fundraisings, like yellow t-shirts and many more.
And don’t forget one of his Noynoy’s platform is the consultative participation and decision of the public majority.
awie,
ok you have a point. In the Philippines history of political campaign, it is not driven by donation because majority does not donate and internet access is limited. The many poor cannot afford to buy the yellow t-shirts. ( think of reality) I can guarantee you that the yelow t-shirts wil be bought by big time corporations who will support Noynoy r the other candidates then distribute it to the people. Conflict of interest will arise after because this big corporation and the pool of business people will dictate the candidates policymaking such as ” NO to Chacha or No to foerigh direct investment. No to banking transparency so that the rich can move their money without a trace. Knowing Noynoy as being soft, he can be easily manipulated due to ” utang na loob” from his supporters.
Political campaign in our country is driven by emotion. When the country creates an apathetic society due to lack of trust from life long effect of mental abuse from corruption and manipulation, the people remains very blinded. It will still accept buying of votes, free yellow t-shirts and bribes from big corporations if looking the opposite. Watch how the private medias ask our candidates, you will notice discrepancies of information and the lack discipline for moral responsibility.
awie,
i meant, political campaign is not driven by the people but by businesses thru bribery.
Other common types of private sector corruption in the Philippines are illegal donations to political parties and bribery in order to influence policy-making. According to the SWS Business Survey on Corruption 2007, 25% of companies said that a typical company within their sector would make an average political donation of PHP 245,000 during the 2007 election campaigns. It is a common feature for companies in the Philippines to support politicians directly or to donate to their parties. Some companies also report that politicians expect them to make campaign donations. The concentration of wealth within a small group of elite families, coupled with political donations, has led to concerns as to their undue influence on both Philippine politics and business life.
According to Transparency International’s Global Corruption Barometer 2009, the Philippine business sector is highly affected by corruption, although the level of corruption is perceived to have declined from the previous surveys. Moreover, one fifth of people surveyed in the Global Corruption Barometer 2009 believes that the business sector almost always bribe to influence the government policies or laws and regulations. Hence, companies that are planning to invest in or are already doing business in the Philippines are highly recommended to implement integrity systems and conduct extensive due diligence when entering into business partnerships or contracting agents to facilitate business transactions in the country. Controlling corruption risks is essential in order to avoid cases like that of a US company that had to pay a large penalty under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act in 2008. The company was subsequently forced to close for having been in a partnership with a Philippines-based company that had made numerous illegal payments to foreign government officials. According to the SWS Business Survey on Corruption 2007, two out of five Filipino managers spend an average of PHP 292,000 to combat corruption and fraud in their own companies, and one out of five donates an average amount of PHP 136,000 to an anti-corruption fund. The Philippine private sector thus acknowledges that corruption is a huge problem that companies need to work towards solving.
source: http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/en/country-profiles/east-asia-the-pacific/philippines/general-information/
Leytenian, if that is your point that donations are all business bribery on the side of Noynoy is different from the time Noynoy run as a senator there were a lot of business donations their family have turned down because they were very meticulous to all types of people’s character and personality.
Your analysis is correct to old traditional politics history. Not on the side of Aquino. For the people’s campaign, I don’t need to argue with you from common (to upper class) individual donations as low as 1 Peso!!! (or volunteers no cash involved at all) People who donates for Noynoy’s campaign fund truly coming from the bottom of their heart and initiative not by force and not all about money!
awie,
don’t get me wrong… good that the people is donating one peso. I need more facts if the others really have donated one peso… how many. there’s about 90 million people, let’s take 40% of that as registered voters. Let’s take 40% of that as his supporter who will donate one peso… He can raise as close to 20 million pesos for his campaign. Would that be enough to win? Where would he get the money to buy t-shirts for the many.
It’s not old politics, if you have read the link, it’s a 2007 data. Knowing that this country lacks the implementation skills, the 2007 data remains accurate and applicable as of today….
the avatar issue will suffice my analysis….
but I understand where you coming from. I like Noynoy too but he is not convincing me. For the rest of the candidates, I don’t know. I need to hear more from them…
To Leytenian, it will be hard for you to know the fact if you are not part of the volunteers/supporters and fund raising campaign going on. To see is to believe.
Noynoy Aquino will not rely on him alone. At this point, he cannot win through a traditional campaign. Moreover, he knows that he cannot usher in change and reform by governing alone. He expressed reluctance that his victory may only lull us into falling back into old ways — we implore the President to work miracles, and usher them out when they fail to do so.
Your calculation will never be exact, you will hear more the exact amount and facts if you are more upto figure calculations during the campaign period. All the donations you will know excatly who, where and how much as Noynoy’s camp will be transparent to the public people.
awie,
hope is motivational enough for the people … yes transparency for any transaction even donations is crucial to democracy, not only Noynoy but the rest of them. If all candidates subscribe to moral and social responsibility, then maybe we will see a much better Philippines where filipinos will be directly involve and become participative. It’s time for our country to raise the level of awareness…
Good talking to you and God Bless…
To Leytenian : Reforms in 2010 Means Saving Lives and Giving Hope
and To Benign0: am a SHE not a HE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G99Sg4RgHtQ&feature=player_embedded
awie,
on the TAYA video. it’s not bad. the target market of that video are the youth. It signifies HOPE…
But, what about the elderly and the generation who will be retiring? No videos for them?
What about the sick people lacking healthcare services?
What about the unemployed and the families with many children who cannot even see the video on you tube?
What about the conflict in Mindanao and all the other crimes?
What about the families of those people who were killed in Ormoc and Leyte Landslide? Have they forgotten the pain of my people?
What about the families who suffered from sinking ships and to those who were flooded.
There’s more…
The video can also be interpreted that the youth must Vote. It might work a bit but for the emotional pinoys, They have to be more straight to the point >>>>
Fix the problems.. if you can browse down below ) benigno’s for you) , I have enumerated some of those problems. Will you please ask Noynoy and his team on what strategies or platform he can offer to the people by providing answers to those problems..
what public are you referring to? the 46 million registered voters? or the entire 88,542,991 filipino? while you are at it, please load more hot air into the air balloon.
“Reviewing Noynoy’s website tells me a lack of managerial skill.”
I’ve observed this in several websites, such as the PCSO website (I check for lotto results too, hehe). Must be common in this country, with high turnover and common managerial-employee conflict.
ANC’s Face to Face: Noynoy Aquino vs. 1