Of Golf, the Internet and Elites

Written on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 3:27 pm | by butch

Whoever said that golf is a gentleman’s game has never played at the Valley Golf and Country Club. The now infamous incident involving Department of Agrarian Reforms Secretary Nasser Pangandaman, his namesake, Nasser, Jr. , mayor of Masui, Lanao Del sur, and their friends and bodyguards who beat up two persons, Delfin De La Paz and his 14-year old son Bino, has spread all over the internet. A De La Paz daughter, Bambee, herself part of the group allegedly attacked by Pangandaman and company narrated the assault in graphic and dramatic detail in her blog.

It started with an argument over golf etiquette, with the Pangandaman flight overtaking the De La Paz family without so much as a by-your-leave. Bad form, certainly. One should never get ahead of a group of players, unless you are waved on by those in front of you. It’s not only good manners but also vital for safety. In a crowded gold course, which I would imagine Valley Golf was on the day after Christmas, players have to follow rules in order to avoid getting conked in the head by an errant ball. Or worse.

The fight started on the fairway and continued at the clubhouse, where guns were drawn by the Pangandaman bodyguards. From reports, the De la Pazes, father and son, got thoroughly stomped on by Pangandamans.

Charges of physical injuries have been filed against the alleged aggressors, who promise to counter-sue. Much will be said and written about the factual and legal aspects of the event in the coming days and I would rather not add to the din. There is a sociological and political facet of the unfortunate occurrence, however, which might be worth touching upon.

BrianB has commented in certain entries in Filipino Voices that:

How clueless some people are, especially the upper middle class. ganito talaga buhay dito sa Pilipinas. Kaya nga dapat lumaban, dapat reform o rebolusyon. Especially ngayon global recession na and the middle class cannot just expect to up and leave when things heat up.

To all our clueless middle class. Welcome to the Philippines.

When the politicos were going after the poor, their lands and their rights, what did the middle class do? Nothing. When the politicos went after the press, what did the middle class do? Nothing. Now they are starting to come at you and your previous apathy has made you as weak as puking baby.

What BrianB seems to be saying (and please correct me if I’m wrong, BrianB) is that the upper middle class reaction to the whole brouhaha, as reflected in the entries flooding the blogosphere, is a bit knee-jerk and short-sighted. The “upper middle-class”, whoever they are, shouldn’t be shocked at all at what happened, as this has been happening in the country for a long time. Politicians lording it over others, or those they perceive to be their economic, social and political inferiors, are commonplace occurrences. We should be furious not only by what befell the De La Pazes, but at the larger crimes perpetrated against our countrymen, “the poor, their lands and their rights”, as BrianB puts it.

Valid point. For example, we should be just as angry, if not much more outraged, at what was done to Karen Empeno and Sherlyn Cadapan, U.P. students who were kidnapped two years ago, tortured and raped by the military, the state instrument of political oppression, and who remain missing to this day. Compared to what they suffered, the De La Pazes merely had a nice walk ruined. Not to make light of what is clearly a brutal and traumatic experience, specially for the young boy, at the hands of fiends, public officials at that. But on the scale of human suffering, there are certainly much more crimes perpetrated by Filipino politicos against many of us that deserve our vehement collective condemnation.

That said, the reaction of the upper-middle class is wholly understandable as what happened to the De La Paz family hits close to home. It could have been us, one would immediately think. Not that I can afford a membership to Valley Golf (both the De La Pazes and Pagandamans are members) but I certainly have a few close buddies who are members and have been invited many times to drop by the place. And access to the internet platform that is the blogosphere, at least as far as creating compelling content is concerned, remains, like golf, to be a largely elite undertaking. Note that it was Bambee’s blog that alerted fellow bloggers and stirred up their passionate response.

Based on the stories, the Pangandamans behaved like savages. They disgraced themselves and their constituents, not to mention our Muslim brothers and sisters. Try as we might not to give a religious or ethnic slant to the whole sorry story, this would be unavoidable. The Pangandamans are from Lanao Del Sur and, as leaders of national stature, are supposed to embody the finest traits of the Maranao people. If this is how they act while outside their geographical bailiwick, one shudders at the thought of how they behave at home.

That the Pangandamans seem to have a feudal hangover is shown by what was supposedly said to the De La Pazes by the younger Pangandaman during the beating: “Hindi mo ba ako nakikilala? (Don’t you know me?)” . The fact that he was not recognized was apparently an affront to Junior’s maratabat (sense of honor) and this enraged him all the more. Shameful.

What can we learn from all this ? The first obvious lesson is that to play at Valley Golf is a risky proposition. One must be aware of the group in front and at the back of your flight at all times. And to be ready to use your clubs for purposes other than whacking a ball, if the need arises.

Another insight is that a supposedly civilized elite refuge like a golf course is also a microcosm of Philippine society. Any golf and country club in the country is structured by a class system and governed by an invisible, though rigid, pecking-order which governs all social relationships. Note the inability of the Valley Golf management and guards to restrain a member gone berserk. And not all members are equal. At the top of the totem pole, it seems, are the wealthier, more politically-connected and influential families.

Also, I have to disagree with BrianB when he says:

Concerned citizens cannot keep doing this, running to the aid of persons who get victimized by politicians. There’s no progress in this sort of unprincipled advocacy. The blogosphere shouldn’t be used as an extension of your family connections and friendship networks… not that I forbid people but in my thinking this can be a more powerful medium, something that will actually change policies and attitudes.

I feel that the blogosphere has played a very vital role in bringing this incident, and all attendant issues, to light. And I see nothing wrong in individuals running to the aid of those who have been victimized or wronged by politicians, government and military officials or any run-of-the-mill criminal or bully, whether it be a person or institution, which unfortunately we have no shortage of. I certainly wouldn’t consider such simple civic-mindedness or compassion “unprincipled”. And the internet, and the blogoshere in particular, is an extension of our family, friendship and professional networks, a fact which we have to live with, whether we like it or not. That we’re all posting and commenting in Filipino Voices obviously shows this.

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  3. karlpopper on December 28th, 2008 5:00 pm

    I still think that the Pangamdamans as the victimizers and the Dela Pazes as the victims in this reported incident - belong to the same level of elites, one class being political, another class being economic.

    It is hard to say that the Dela Pazes didn’t not quite have the means they should have resorted to after the incident, say file the necessary charges against the Mayor, his son and bodyguards.

    We would have wanted to know what immediate actions, if any, have been taken in their behalf by concerned authorities, agencies or courts as the case may be.

    Until then, we know only one side of the story just as yet. Sometimes, it is equally important what the other party has to say.

  4. Totoy on December 28th, 2008 5:29 pm

    I heard it was a simple misunderstanding.

    Apparently, all members of the Valley Golf and Country Club have to go through a 2 step initiation phase.

    Step 1 is called “reporting” wherein neophytes, with their ticklers, go around ask current members for their bio-data and are often required to do stupid and senseless things in the process.

    Step 2 is the much dreaded “finals” wherein neophytes, blindfolded, are ganged up by all attending members and beaten up to their hearts content.

    Allegedly, these two “quitters” were not fully informed of the process and were thus unprepared for what almost every college student in the Philippines goes through when joining a Fraternity.

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  6. blackshama on December 29th, 2008 12:11 am

    BrianB is likely referring to the gated community “upper middle class” where their kids are chauffeured to “exclusive” Catholic schools and waited upon by servants.

    Some of members of this class our obviously new money. They aspire to be as feudal as the “warlord” that bashed them!

    So why should the Warrior Lawyer be surprised that this class is clueless?

    No amount of “immersion” will wake them up to the reality except this one.

    Mr Warrior Lawyer, you brought out the issue of the two desparecidos de Universidad de Filipinas.

    I say that even in UP, which has become a gated community of sorts, the ideologies that drove the desparecido alumnos to militancy has increasingly been viewed as anachronistic. Thus the lack of rage in faculty, staff and even the university administration.

    The GMA counterinsurgency strategy is triumphant even in the University of the Philippines!

    So those who still view UP as a “hotbed of radicalism” are clueless in their upper middle class reverie!

  7. BrianB on December 29th, 2008 12:29 am

    Just finished reading this now. But thanks Blackshama for the clarification. I wasn’t quite willing to accuse them of this sort of hypocrisy but feudalism is certainly evident here in the metro. Before I got an apartment of my own I used to live in BF Homes. Geez, daming pretend na siga dun, kala mo mga warlord talaga.

    There has been an increasing movement toward apathy. Partly, I believe, this is because of the mistakes of Edsa Dos. Instead of admitting to being short-sighted and apathetic to the lower classes, the middle simply persuaded themselves that all revolution and reform is futile. kaya ganito ang attitude dahil ayaw umamin ng kasalanan.

    About the unprincipled reaction. Have you been reading their blogs. Parang gusto pang away pisikal ng iba. Gustong personalan. It makes you feel that if these people had more powerful connections, they won’t think twice in using them. Puro pa-konek konek nalang, wala talagang prinsipyo. Principles, as you know, goes towards the common good.

    Also, I am offended at the appearances of boldness. I’m curious about what happens next, what are they actually prepared to do. Spreading the news, as you know, is not exactly as effective as it used to be kasi dahil apathetic na masyado mga tao. Is that all they’re prepared to do, spread the news? In blogs, which they know politicos like the pnagadamans don’t read. Why not sign a petition against the DAR sec and publish it in a newspaper. Instead of a few dozen individuals they will have thousands if not millions on their side.

  8. sleek on December 29th, 2008 12:59 am

    In the advance economies, the elites will use the golf course as a fundraising event, marketing strategies and for PR. Some brand name golf products will be there for giveaways. Elites, Middle Class and Low Income individuals can play against each other without prejudice. There’s no “who is who” on tee times. Everybody go by the schedule. Etiquette is high and the rules are followed.

    In the Philippines, even in the streets and the offices of any public officials have no rules. If there is, the judges/lawyers cannot protect the poor. In theory, laws are in place but in practice, laws are broken by the people who made the laws.

    The mayor must go to jail, or pay bail but remove him from office. The SR,the father is an accomplice therefore he is not fit to be a representative of this country.

    People should go to rally about this with the church. :)

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  10. karlpopper on December 29th, 2008 2:46 am

    totoy,

    you must be hallucinating. where did you get that kind of story.

    did you not know that bambee dela paz is a golf champion back in the US - University of Cincinatti, it must be if I am correct?

    It does not make sense, to me - just me.

  11. jcc on December 29th, 2008 3:20 am

    We appear to be disturbed because upper class people quarelled over a piece of unobserved golf etiquette which resulted to manhandling. We mistake the heated atmosphere in the blogsphere which is elitist in make-up, as microcosm of what we call “public indignation”. Heck no! Let these “upper class people” quarrel and even cancel each other out by dueling, so Juan de la Cruz can have a sigh of relief and a hilarious grin. :)

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  15. BrianB on December 29th, 2008 5:07 am

    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20081229-180426/Golf-club-suspends-DAR-chief-over-brawl

    Butch, looks like the dela paz connections will win out. Ateneo won’t allow one of their kids to get beaten by adults. Staff of golf club will not doubt get fired. Let’s hope the Mindanaons won’t be stupid enough to retaliate by means other than the courts. Then the middle class can go back to their cushy bubbles.

    This also presents us with a study on how GMA treats her vassals. There must be a very good reason why pangandaman became DAR chief and peace negotiator. We’ll see.

  16. driggs nillas on December 29th, 2008 5:14 am

    just asking is this Delfin de la Paz, the same as the Euro general who was held in Moscow airport for carrying too much Euro dollars????

  17. karlpopper on December 29th, 2008 8:46 am

    jcc,

    Maybe be indeed, the Dela Pazes put to their shoes - the ones with armed bodyguards - could have done the same thing.

    Or, had they been with their own armed bodyguards - then, perhaps, they would have ordered their tough guys to maul the Pangandamans. I don’t know but they could have used their clubs no matter what happens.

  18. ilaga ng luzon on December 29th, 2008 9:54 am

    tang inang mga pangandaman na yan!!!!! dapat bawalan ang mga muslim na maglaro ng golf!!!!

  19. Ding G. Gagelonia on December 29th, 2008 12:46 pm

    driggs nillas,

    No. the Dela Paz Euro general is a different person

  20. carlitos on December 29th, 2008 3:31 pm

    Ang yabang naman nang mayor na yan. Mayor palang siya nang isang maliit na bayan eh lasing-na lasing na siya sa power. I pity the people in his town.

    Hay naku nga naman, bigyan mo nang konting power ang isang bugok eh nasira na ang ulo! Just like a person who can’t handle his drink…naka-amoy palang nang tansan ng beer eh lasing na lasing na, nag-wawala na!

    Ito naman tatay ng mayor, ni walang ginawa. Cabinet member ka pa naman tapos the irony of it all, appointed PEACE NEGOTIATOR ka pa. Hay naku INUTIL…like father, like son.

    In my opinion, the DAR secretary given his position should have intervened and pacified everybody. He had the power to do it.

    Naka-kainis talaga having these kind of people in government. Idiots on the loose.

    But don’t despair Bambee, in the end, justice will prevail. If not from our courts, public opinion will do it. Decent people are all behind you. And there is such a thing as KARMA.

  21. Allan on December 29th, 2008 3:38 pm

    Let’s email to the board of the Valley Golf and Country Club to cooperate with the police (see. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/metro/view/20081229-180482/Cops-frustrated-over-golf-clubs-silence) and shed light on the issue (and asked them why the didn’t help the Dela Pazes).

    Their website: http://www.valleygolf.com.ph/
    Their email: info@valleygolf.com.ph
    The distinguished board: membershttp://www.valleygolf.com.ph/temp/board.asp

  22. fromdprovince on December 29th, 2008 3:38 pm

    ilaga,

    that’s not right. with that attitude, you become like the pangandaman. prejudice among minorities is not a good thing. sino ka ba? don’t you know me? am from the province :) take your hate to the golf course and wack the ball to the ravine, OK :)
    i have a big bertha you know, i can easily beat your ass.

  23. ashleya on December 29th, 2008 3:41 pm

    ilaga ng luzon,

    look who’s being a racist.we forbid you also to come in mindanao.

  24. Ferdie on December 29th, 2008 6:16 pm

    This is not an issue between Muslims and Christians, but it was becoming due to irresponsible comments from others. Kawawa talaga Pinoy, imbes na makatulong nakakagulo pa lalo. Why don’t we just pray for justice be serve to those who deserve the verdict, and our country be in peace. Humility should prevail not only during EID or CHRISTMAS seasons.

  25. the jester-in-exile on December 29th, 2008 6:20 pm

    i don’t know ferdie, perhaps the use of ethnic distinction is a method to divert the attention from the real issue — the misbehavior of a public official.

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  27. the warrior lawyer on December 30th, 2008 4:31 am

    @ karlpopper, I agree. It is equally important to hear what the other party has to say.

    @ blackshama, I was not surprised that that the so called “upper middle class” is clueless. I agreed with BrianB on this point. But you are correct. U.P. has become a gated community of sorts, and I am also surprised and saddened by the seeming lack of outrage on the part of the students, faculty and even the university administration over the desaparecidos. Or are we simply unaware of the fight being waged to seek justice in their behalf ?

    Ferdie is right, this is not an issue between Muslims and Christians. I merely mentioned religion and ethnicity to give my post a background or context. If we replace “Lanao Del Sur” with “Benguet” and “Maranao” with “Ibaloi”, the idea conveyed would still be the same. Let’s not allow ourselves to be distracted from the real issue, as pointed out by the Jester-in-Exile.

    Finally, let’s keep the discourse on an open-minded and rational level. Strictly observe fairness and tolerance. As rightfully emphasized by Ferdie, humility is key to understanding each one’s point of view. We do this collective and ourselves a disservice by resorting to incendiary and ultimately pointless statements which generate a lot of heat but little light.

  28. Antonio on December 30th, 2008 9:33 am

    Anak ng teteng mga nagkaposisyon lang natuto ng mag golf ang papangit naman ng swing! tsaka mayor Bubut panganmayabang ng masui lanao del sur sana magkita tayo sa golf course walang bodyguard tignan ko kung makasingit ka! Tsaka unang pinagaaralan sa golf yung pagiging gentlemen at ang Etiquette! Subukan mo yan dito sa America dito walang mayor mayor! Pantay pantay dito! GAGO!

  29. paano on December 30th, 2008 3:32 pm

    Some say the middle class should do something. Be outrage or whatever. Upper, mid, lower middle class and the poor, honestly, what can they do? Without capable and strong leaders, how can a group of ordinary people organize? That supposedly simple act will require money, time and a lot of effort. Can you change government or power hungry politicians by that effort?

    I don’t blame other Filipinos who left for good or have decided to take their fate in their own hands and live elsewhere. I also don’t blame other Filipinos who have become apathetic, not because they want to, because they don’t have the power to do anything to face formidable, powerful and corrupt men.

    There is hope for the ordinary Filipino, but not in a country governed by evil men.

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  31. Ed Reyes on January 3rd, 2009 8:52 am

    My Take:

    Alam ninyo DITO DAPAT AY IYONG FAMOUS QUOTE NA “SIGAW NAG BAYAN” WELL JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES FOR THE PERIOD OF TEN MINUTES JUST IMAGINE YOUR LITTLE BROTHER AND SISTER GETTINT BEAT UP BY GROWN MAN NUMBER OF GROWN MAN… WHILE YOUR FATHER IS DOWN ON THE GROUND AND BEING STEP ON…AND YOU ARE ON YOUR KNEE IN PRAYER LIKE MOTION AND ASKING … PLEADING FOR THEM TO STOP…AND THEN THSI GROWN -UP MAN DELIVER A BIG BLOW TO YOUR LITTLE(14 YRS OLD) BROTHER FACIAL AREAS.. THEN YOU SAW YOUR FATHER BEING STEP ON LIKE A DIRTY RUGS…AND YOUR SISTER PLEADING FOR THEM TO STOP…AND SOMEONE TELLING YOUR SISTER TO STOP.. WHILE SHE WAS WATCHING THOSE MANS STEPPING ON YOUR FATHER…WHAT WOULD YOU DO…I THINK THIS IS AN OUTRAGE AND SURPISINGLY ENOUGH…ARROYO GOV.. IS NOT MAKING ANY STATEMENT EXCEPT FOR CATCH ALL STATEMENT ABOUT BEING INVESTIGATED…COME ON MRS. ARROYO THIS 14 YEARS GETTING BEAT UP BY GROWN UP MANS… WHERE IS “LULI ARROYO” WHEREAS SHE MADE HEADLINES AGAINST FOREIGNERS AT THE AIRPORT… COMEON LET US HEAR “LULI ARROYO” I KNOW SHE COULD MAKE SENSEON ALL OF THIS.. FOR SURE MRS. ARROYO HAS TURN HER HEAD ON THIS MATTER… THIS A STORY OF 14 YEARS AND 18 YEARS OF WHOM BOTH MAY YET REPRESENT R.P IN GOLFS…WELL IF THEY HAVE DONE IT ALREADY… FOR BAMBEE IN HER GOLF SCHOLARSHIP IN UNIVERSITY OF CINCINATI…IN LIKE OF JENNIFER ROSALES AT U.S.C… NOT UNIVERSITY OF STO. THOMAS.. UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CAL. AND BINO DURING JUNIOR GOLF COMPETION IN SAN DIEGO CA. COME ON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO YOUNG PERSON HERE PURSUING THIER DREAMS SPENDING QUALITY TIME WITH THIER FATHER… BECAUSE BAMBEE IS JUST THERE FOR HER SCHOOL BREAKS AND SOON WILL GO BACK TO CINCINATI..WITH HEAVY HEART KNOWING THAT SHE WILL LEAVE ALL HER FAMILY MEMBERS BEHIND, WHICH WE KNOW SHE WILL LEAVE WITH HEAVY HEART…IT COULD AFFECT HER PLAY IN U.S.A….MOST LIKELY WILL, BECAUSE I’M SURE SHE LOVES HER FAMILY VERY MUCH…SPECIALLY HER FATHER.. MOTHER PLUS HER LITTLE BROTHER… GODS HELP YOU..BUT WE WILL INCLUDE HER AND HER FAMILY… TO OUR PRAYER, DEFINITELY A CLOSEUR IS MUCH NEEDED… MRS. ARROYO CAN START BY SIMPLY SUSPENDING BOTH PANGANDAMAN THE DAR/AND MAYOR UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE…

    I SAW THE INTERVIEW BY PINKY WEBB.. THE DE LA PAZ FAMILY STORY ARE CREDIBLE, PLUS ALL THE NEWS ACCOUNT I’VE READ SINCE THIS NEWS BREAK OUT..THEY WERE VERY MUCH CRDIBLE

    NOW ABOUT THE N B I INVESTIGATION I’M SURE THAT THE GOOD PEOPLE OF N B I… WILL BE OK…AFTER ALL THEY HAVE SWORN IN FOR IMPARTIALITY AND IT IS THIER DUTY TO INVESTIGATE..FOUND THE TRUTH WITOUT BIAS AND PREJUDICE

    NOW AS FAR AS THE GOLF VALLEY INQUIRIES OF THE LEADERSHIP… PANEL…I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE…BEACUSE MOST OF GOLF LEADERSHIP ARE TIED IN POLITICS… JUST LOOK AT THE FORMER HEAD OF COMELEC…HE WAS PART OF BOARD MEMBERSHIP AT WACK WACK GOLF COURSE..WHAT HIS NAME IS SO EASY TO FORGET.. HE WAS ALSO IMPLICATED IN ZTE…SCANDAL.. WHAT HIS NAME…IT IS VER EASY TO FORGET SIMPLY BECAUSE HE HAS DONE NOTHING. GOOD..LOOK I STILL REMEMBER GREGOROA DEL PILAR FOR THE BATTLE OF TIRAD PASS… AND EVERYBODY KNOWS TANDANG SORA…ANDRESS BONIFACIO…JUAN LUNA…EMILIO AGUINALDO MANUEL QUEZON…THE OSMENA…JUST TOPROVE THE POINT NINOY AQUINO… THE COUNTRY WORTH DYING FOR…WHERE DID WE WRONG…JOSE RIZAL JUST LIEK NINOY DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY//// AND I LEFT SCHOOL SO MANY MANY YEARS AGO..

    WHERE DID THE COUNTRY WENT WRONG… MRS, AQUINO APOLOGIZED TO ERAP..

    SOON THE ARROYO GOVERNMENT WILL BE A FORGOTTEN DREAM A LONG NIGTH MARE FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE..

    TO THE DE LA PAZ FAMILY OUR PRAYERS IS WITH…YOU THE WHOLE MASA ARE PRAYING WITH YOU…. BAMBEE PLEASE STAY STRONG.. BINO…HOPE THIS WILL BE LIKE A NIGHTMARE THAT SOON YOU CAN JUST FORGET,,,, IT IS HARD,,, BUT WITH GOD HELP… AND YOUR FAMILY GUIDANCE HOPE IS FOR THE BEST…GOD BLESS

    THATS MY TAKE..

    ED

    U.S.A
    SOUTHERN CAL.

  32. pulis na pogi on January 3rd, 2009 3:42 pm

    now, the official security incident report is now out! find it at http://midfield.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/valley-golf-guards-report-pangandaman-security-men-drew-guns-on-dela-pazes/

    and guess what: take a look at lines 5, 6, and 7 and let me quote (with all the typo errors):

    “but based to the statement of VGCCI marshall/ starter (mr elmer saguisa) at that time he talk already both parties but sudenly he was not expected that argument was not settled.”

    aray! now, where did this detail first appear in the blogsphere?

    answer: from the post of brianna asal above, posted on the 29th of december or 3 days after the incident and i cut and paste:

    paragraph 3, lines 7 and 8: With the said explanation, del Paz replied “Okey, kortesiya lang.”

    paragraph 6, lines 5 to 7: “Nasser Jr. reiterated to the marshall what he explained to the elder dela Paz, which his knowledge the former already accepted his explanation.”

    paragraph 8, lines 3 and 4: ” “Akala ko po, Sir, nagkaintindihan na ho tayo kanina”.

    another answer: from the post of p that only appeared yesterday, or 1 week after the incident: and i cut and paste again:

    paragraph 6, line 14 and 15: Thinking that things had been cleared up, Mr. dela Paz said, “Okay, kortesiya lang” (”Okay, just seeking courtesy“) .

    paragraph 8, line 8 to 12: During their break, the marshal approached Nasser Jr, stating that the dela Paz’s were complaining that there were five of them in their group and why they overtook the dela Paz flight. Nasser Jr. reiterated to the marshal what he had already explained to the elder del Paz, to which his knowledge the former had already accepted his explanation.

    aray again. now why are these very telling details not in bambee’s blog? it is now clear as daylight that before the fisticuffs started, even the mashalls thought that the overtaking issue was already settled! ask mashall mr elmer saguisa!

    aray! aray! aray!

    ps:

    and thanks to manuel quezon iii for marking my posts as spam and deleting them even before it is moderated. now, your pseudo-personality (leytenian) is commenting on my posts even if i cannot find it in the enties above! hahaha

  33. leytenian on January 3rd, 2009 4:01 pm

    pulis,

    you are still not getting it. here’s a link about farmers to oust DAR chief. it’s not just about bambee.

    http://barangayrp.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/farmers-go-online-to-oust-dar-chief/

  34. pulis na pogi on January 3rd, 2009 4:08 pm

    manuela/leytenia,

    teka nga. how did this issue involved the farmers? hahaha

  35. pulis na pogi on January 3rd, 2009 4:11 pm

    manuel/leytenia:

    and please, let us just limit comments to the topic of this post. now, what is your take on the official security incident report?

  36. leytenian on January 3rd, 2009 4:12 pm

    pulis,

    you don’t know me?. i have connections you know. hahahah
    there’s more coming..so if you are on the other side, prepare. :)ok

  37. pulis na pogi on January 3rd, 2009 4:14 pm

    manuel/leytenia:

    and by the way, why mark my posts as spam in your blog? can’t stand somebody questioning your points of view?

    still want that government run like hell by the filipinos? now your lolo got your wish!

    but 25% of these filipinos want to get out of hell! uh uh…

  38. leytenian on January 3rd, 2009 4:22 pm

    pulis,

    you are now becoming paranoid, hahahah. i’m not manolo. click on my name. ano ka bah? haaay naku.
    if manolo deleted your comments then don’t include me. I am totally innocent. :)

    third world countries are run like hell by their politicians. it’s not only Philippines.

  39. pulis na pogi on January 3rd, 2009 4:50 pm

    manuel/leytenia,

    pulis,

    you don’t know me?. i have connections you know. hahahah
    there’s more coming..so if you are on the other side, prepare. :)ok

    obvious naman that you have connections e. what do you intend to do next, ban me from all the blogs? hahaha, just like your lolo eh?

    a government ran like hell by the filipinos! now you got your wish!

  40. pulis na pogi on January 4th, 2009 8:31 am

    here is the ultimate aray for the de la pazes:

    this is the post of a certain rge in pinoygolfer.com forum. he is a member since april 2007 with 595 posts to date (he is a pioneer member i supposed, as the forum started only in end of march 2007) he placed his address as valley golf, orchard, eagle ridge so i suppoed he is personally known to many others in the philippine golfing community and is a “somebody” given his access to information sources. his preliminary statement said it all.
    http://www.pinoygolfer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5801&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=pangandaman&start=180

    I just spent some time with the head of the fact-finding committee. He has submitted all pertinent facts to the board and leaves it to them to make the necessary decision based on all the facts. I will outline the facts to you as it was outlined to me. Rest assured that the facts were obtained from all parties involved and all witnesses at each incident site. The statements were obtained both by the valley fact-finding group and by the NBI as well. Testimonies were recorded, verified, and re-verified. Fortunately for the parties involved, there were always witnesses to give supporting statements on the events as they occurred.

    i now wonder what is take of the de la pazes and their apologists on this?

  41. pulis na pogi on January 4th, 2009 8:31 am

    for those who care to read, here is rge’s post (mabuhay si bill gates for the cut and paste technology!)

    I just spent some time with the head of the fact-finding committee. He has submitted all pertinent facts to the board and leaves it to them to make the necessary decision based on all the facts. I will outline the facts to you as it was outlined to me. Rest assured that the facts were obtained from all parties involved and all witnesses at each incident site. The statements were obtained both by the valley fact-finding group and by the NBI as well. Testimonies were recorded, verified, and re-verified. Fortunately for the parties involved, there were always witnesses to give supporting statements on the events as they occurred.

    I will compose the outline shortly as it will be lengthy but just to whet your appetite or get you thinking, you will be quite surprised with the findings. Let’s put it this way, the people we thought of as villains weren’t quite what they were depicted to be. and the supposed protagonists may have yet been quite as factual in their testimony as it turns out to be. Even our 14-year old isn’t as innocent and “prayerful” when all the details come out. just give me a few minutes….

    In the interest of making sure that no facts might be left undisclosed, I will take it upon myself to start from the very beginning. Firstly let us start by saying that on or at about 12:40 p.m., the party of the Pangandaman’s registered at the starter’s area. They registered for 2 flights comprised of 4 individuals per flight. Unfortunately, they still had 2 members of their group that had not yet arrived, so they initially tee’d off as 2 successive threesomes. The starter and marshall were informed that the 2 individuals that had not yet arrived would just catch up with them in the fairway. On or at about 1:05 p.m. the Dela Paz group registered initially as a twosome but since this isn’t normally allowed, they registered as a 3-some even if the elder Mr. Dela Paz was not really going to play.

    When the Dela Paz 3-some was playing on hole number 3, they were passed by 2 golf carts containing Mayor Pangandaman and his companion (in one cart) and the caddies being brought by one of the starter personnell. The Pangandaman’s did not ask permission to drive through because they did not want to disturb the Dela Paz’s who were in the middle of the fairway. Upon reaching the green of the 3rd hole, Mr. Dela Paz asked the caddie why the people in the cart just went through. Mayor Pangandaman who was already positioned at the 4th hole, personally informed Mr. Dela Paz that they were part of 2 foursomes. At this point, Mr. Dela Paz said “ah okay, courtesy lang naman”. This was verified by the caddies. Mr. Pangandaman said that he did not disturb them anymore because the player was about to hit. At this point, Mayor Pangandaman thought everything was okay so he proceeded to the 4th hole (Par 3) where his other flightmates were. In the records it says that Mr. Pangandaman was not yet even done pitching into the green when a ball landed near his 8-year old child so they immediately made sure the child was secured in the cart. ( For those unaware of the common practice at Valley Golf, on every par 3, the group behind you is signaled to hit into the green once everyone from your group is already on the green) Until you have been cleared to hit by the group ahead, you should not hit into the green. It is common sense and basic precautionary procedure.

    In this particular case, we have no corroborative testimony. One set of caddies say they were given clearance, while the other say that no clearance was given as of yet when the ball/s had landed.

    The Pangandaman’s claim that the same situation happened in the 5th hole (Par5). Even the caddied confirmed this. At this time, Bambee Dela Paz had called the Marshall to tell him that the flight behind them was complaining about why their pace was slow and that the cause of the delay was the 5-some in front of them. Shortly thereafter, a marshall on his motorcycle appeared and approached the Pangandaman’s and asked if they were playing as a fivesome to which the Mayor said no. “We are 2 foursomes”. Nonetheless, the Pangandaman’s had already agreed among themselves that they would rather the Dela Paz’s play through. The Mayor was even quoted saying to his Father. ” magagaling yung mga bata at malakas pumalo, baka mabagalan sa atin” They informed the marshall that they would just let the Dela Paz group play through and the marshall informed the Mr. Dela Paz of this. ( Just as an aside, the investigative group actually asked the group behind Dela paz if indeed they had complained about the slow down and the group said that the y said no such thing to the Dela paz flight. They were not even in contact at anytime before they arrived at the tee house to see the fight and eventually help stop it) When the Delapaz group reached the green of hole 5, the caddies of the 2 kids gave them their drivers so that they would waste no time playing through. The Mayor, who at that time was sitting along with their companions, stood up to personally tell Mr. Dela Paz to play through. Caddies, and the tee house server claim that the Mayor told Dela Paz na “Mauna na ho kayo” and walked to approach Dela Paz, The response of Dela Paz was “Huwag mo akong pagtaasan ng boses” Dela Paz began to question the Mayor why they were playing as a fivesome. The Mayor said that this was not the case but Dela Paz was insisting and even said (again corroborated by the caddies) “Linoloko mo ba ako?” “Member ka ba dito, Kilala mo ba ako?” (as you can see, this question did not come from Pangandaman. In fact, in the recorded testimony, this is exactly what Pangandaman claimed delapaz had said to him and yet in Delapaz’ recorded statement, he never said that the mayor asked him ” kilala mo ba ako” Completely different from when the media was already involved.

    When Delapaz was posing the above question, the mayor was heard to say. “Sandali lang, hindi naman tayo nagaaway dito. Akala ko ba naayos na natin yung issue kanina sa hole 3? At about this point Delapaz closed his umbrella and then poked the mayor on his stomach using the pointed end ( some caddies say Dela Paz swung the umbrella and some say that he poked the Mayor) The investigative board asked Dela Paz what he did, he said that he poked the Mayor in self defense. When asked who was attacking him, Dela Paz said that he was being surrounded by 4 men. The caddies and other witnesses on hand said that when the umbrella incident happened, it was only Dela Paz and the mayor that were talking. The other parties were in the tee house about 15-20 yards away. The Mayor says he was poked and so he backed off and just as he was about to be poked again, his brother, Hussein ran and attacked Delapaz and hit Delapaz knocking him to the ground.( At this point the commotion took place. One of the things observed is 14-year old Bino hit the Mayor with his driver. Apparently, the mayor parried with his forearm and hand so this is where he sustaned the injury. In the process also, Hussein was being pulled off the older dela paz by his 2 children but again Bino was seen to hit Hussein in the face and head while Bambee had scratched the other side of Husseins face. At this time also, witnesses say, that 3 or 4 other members of the flight excluding the Secretary, the 8-year old boy, and the girlfriend of Hussein were involved in attacking or subduing the older dela paz but this lasted very shortly and when the combatants had been separated the existing people in the tee house as well as the new flight that was playing behind the dela paz’s.

    At this point the Secretary told the delapaz group to leave so as to avoid any more trouble. As the elder delapaz was leaving he was heard calling someone on his cellphone saying ” may away kami, pumunta kayo dito”
    No one knew who delapaz was speaking to as he walked away towards the main clubhouse. A few minutes later, the secretary and his group decided to end the day instead of continuing to play. When they got to the clubhouse, Hussein wanted to wash up because he was bleeding in the neck area. As he got near the reception area, he saw delapaz and was heard to have said “O, nandito pa pala kayo” to which Dela Paz said “Hindi pa tapos ito gaganti pa kami”. At this point, Bino got in between his Dad and Hussein while saying ” Tatandaan ka namin” (None of the witnesses in the clubhouse, and there were many, ever saw Bino kneel and say that he was only 14 years old at maawa na sila) On the contrary, Bino was acting like anything but a helpless child. He sounded tough, angry, and antagonistic enough that the fight broke out again. At this point, the bodyguards of the Mayor ran into the clubhouse via the poolside entrance. When questioned about this, the mayor said that one was his driver and the other was his “Yayo”. As far as the board was concerned, the “Yayo” was also a bodyguard. Said Yayo came into the clubhouse with a clutchbag containing a gun and brought out the gun without pointing it at anyone. The Mayor immediately instructed him that there was no need for guns and the gun was put back. During the investigation, the Mayor said that the handgun was his and that his “yayo” was likely going to give it to him but he declined. Upon instructing his “yayo”, the man just stayed in one corner. At this time the wife of Dela Paz and his other son arrived. The son was wielding a baseball bat and the wife had a knife which she pulled out of a scabbard. These two were subdued by security but they were verbally threatening the Pangandaman’s during this time. There was also a reported incident where the driver of the mayor ran out and came back with a suitcase containing a supposed armalite as claimed by valley security. The driver never pulled it out or pointed it at anyone but it was readily accesible

  42. pulis na pogi on January 4th, 2009 8:32 am

    and here is what the site admin of pinoy golfer.com says about the post of rge:

    “Great account of the incident, Ray. My compliments. I heard the same details third-hand from my sources. I agree with the others; Mr. de la Paz was foolish to pick a fight with his children present.”

    aray, aray, aray!!!

  43. pulis na pogi on January 4th, 2009 8:32 am

    may isang linya pa pala ang site admin ng pinoy golfer.com:

    The revelation of these facts cast a severe shadow on the Bambee’s blog, don’t they?

    aray uli!

  44. pulis na pogi on January 4th, 2009 3:30 pm

    hahaha, natahimik yata bigla ang mga apologists ni de la paz? parang wala na yatang dumedepensa at nagsasabing tama si santa bambee, santo bino, at senor de la paz!

  45. Facts on January 4th, 2009 3:50 pm

    When the rule of law is broken, there is no possibility to implement human rights standards.
    When the word of the king alone ( hindi niyo ako kilala) is law there is also no possibility of protecting human rights.

    To implement the rule of law, education for the people to voice out their frustration is crucial for democracy. It is also appropriate for the pangandamans to sacrifice for their country and resign from their own cruelty as requested by many.

    When rule of law is abused by our own representatives, our country will not produce the desired results for economic growth.

  46. Facts on January 4th, 2009 3:51 pm

    LEGAL BEDROCK

    THE RULE of law can be defined as a system in which the laws are public knowledge, are clear in meaning, and apply equally to everyone. They enshrine and uphold the political and civil liberties that have gained status as universal human rights over the last half-century. . . . Perhaps most important, the government is embedded in a comprehensive legal framework, its officials accept that the law will be applied to their own conduct, and the government seeks to be law-abiding.

    Facts: In the Philippines, what’s happening is exactly the opposite. Politicians own and rule the law

    Do not believe sa pulis na pogi. His side of story is a MYTH and it does not support the facts.

    The Pangandamans cannot serve right for this country. they can only serve terror and intimidation for the people.

  47. pulis na pogi on January 4th, 2009 4:12 pm

    hahaha, some people just cannot accept that fact na nadenggoy sila ni bambi.

    facts legal bedrock, yan lang ba ang alam mo? oxymoron yata pangalan mo? have you forgotten that a simple denial has almost no weight as evidence?

    whatever is that you are smoking right now, throw it away! call the (+632) 531-9001 immediately! hahaha

  48. macapili on January 5th, 2009 8:50 pm

    pulis na pogi,

    I heard from a nephew the same story who plays regulary at South Woods with friends who have golfmates at VGCC. You know in the fairway, those who are really good players usually get irritated by slower players ahead. I’m sure, the Pangandamans play bad while the delapazes must be very good players. Perhaps if only the old man dela Paz kept his cool, they could have finished the game without a scratch. But sometimes the irritation is too much to handle.

  49. Bobby on January 7th, 2009 6:22 pm

    I saw the interviews on tv. Maangas talaga ang dating ni dela Paz senior. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did initiate the rumble.

  50. pulis na pogi on January 11th, 2009 3:54 pm

    i wonder what is the next thing that the de la paz apologists will say, now that valley golf expells Dela Paz and only suspends for two years the dar chief.

    valley golf concluded that de la paz instigated the fight!

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