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		<title>By: Ding G. Gagelonia</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-27193</link>
		<dc:creator>Ding G. Gagelonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Mawe, 

In a separate post I reported that the VGCC Board is meeting today with preliminary details on their findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Mawe, </p>
<p>In a separate post I reported that the VGCC Board is meeting today with preliminary details on their findings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mawe</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-27176</link>
		<dc:creator>Mawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have spoken my own thoughts about this issue in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisismylife.info/2009/01/pangandaman-delapaz-golf-incident/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;own blog&lt;/a&gt;, but I will post a few choice selections here. 

I believe that fighting broke out at the Valley Golf Club among the Pangandaman group and the Dela Paz group.  I also believe that weapons were brought into the fray, and that blood was spilled.  But I do not believe that we are hearing the whole truth about this incident.

Because of the backlash that was generated by the Bambee dela Paz blog, the Pangandamans are hard put to defend themselves against a tidal wave of animosity and disgust from all sides.  But the pieces of the puzzle are not yet complete, and we must realize that there are always two sides to every story.  We are quick to complain and condemn, even before seeing the whole picture.

Oftentimes, we find it easier to believe the words of a pretty lass rather than the protestations of adult men. In this particular case, we must choose between believing the accusations of a girl student athlete or the denials of a politician and a government official.  Who do you think will be more believable?

In an effort to present a more accurate view (perhaps) of what really transpired during that fateful day at the Valley Golf Club, I have created a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisismylife.info/is-this-the-truth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;page in my blog&lt;/a&gt; which aims to share some information I have gathered from a separate website.  I ask you to read the transcript carefully, and then to make your own conclusions regarding this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have spoken my own thoughts about this issue in my <a href="http://www.thisismylife.info/2009/01/pangandaman-delapaz-golf-incident/" rel="nofollow">own blog</a>, but I will post a few choice selections here. </p>
<p>I believe that fighting broke out at the Valley Golf Club among the Pangandaman group and the Dela Paz group.  I also believe that weapons were brought into the fray, and that blood was spilled.  But I do not believe that we are hearing the whole truth about this incident.</p>
<p>Because of the backlash that was generated by the Bambee dela Paz blog, the Pangandamans are hard put to defend themselves against a tidal wave of animosity and disgust from all sides.  But the pieces of the puzzle are not yet complete, and we must realize that there are always two sides to every story.  We are quick to complain and condemn, even before seeing the whole picture.</p>
<p>Oftentimes, we find it easier to believe the words of a pretty lass rather than the protestations of adult men. In this particular case, we must choose between believing the accusations of a girl student athlete or the denials of a politician and a government official.  Who do you think will be more believable?</p>
<p>In an effort to present a more accurate view (perhaps) of what really transpired during that fateful day at the Valley Golf Club, I have created a <a href="http://www.thisismylife.info/is-this-the-truth/" rel="nofollow">page in my blog</a> which aims to share some information I have gathered from a separate website.  I ask you to read the transcript carefully, and then to make your own conclusions regarding this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: macapili</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-26749</link>
		<dc:creator>macapili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ang talagang pinagmulan ng gulo ay ang marshal na escort ng mayor.  Kung sana naghintay makapalo sina dela Paz at sinabi sa kanila ng marshal na hahabol lang sina mayor at mauuna sa kanila, hindi sana nagkagulo.  Sa tingin ko, nainis si old man dela Paz na parang binastos sila at lalo sigurong naginit nang nalaman niya mula sa mga caddy na flight ni Sec Pangandamn ang nauuna. Kaya nga nabanggit ni old man dela Paz na &quot;kortesiya lang naman.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ang talagang pinagmulan ng gulo ay ang marshal na escort ng mayor.  Kung sana naghintay makapalo sina dela Paz at sinabi sa kanila ng marshal na hahabol lang sina mayor at mauuna sa kanila, hindi sana nagkagulo.  Sa tingin ko, nainis si old man dela Paz na parang binastos sila at lalo sigurong naginit nang nalaman niya mula sa mga caddy na flight ni Sec Pangandamn ang nauuna. Kaya nga nabanggit ni old man dela Paz na &#8220;kortesiya lang naman.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Christopher G. Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-25462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose Christopher G. Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The father de la paz talks a lot, they should have been more docile &amp; file a formal protest after the incident but instaed chose to confront. The Lanao mayor also blew his top and they over-reacted. the second mauling since one-sided and with bodyguards at the clubhouse was uncalled for - no lame excuses here. Both were over-bearing, both should apologize for acting such, but the lanao mayor should be man enough to admit - na naginit na siya at nabuwisit na. actually wasted enough time with this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The father de la paz talks a lot, they should have been more docile &amp; file a formal protest after the incident but instaed chose to confront. The Lanao mayor also blew his top and they over-reacted. the second mauling since one-sided and with bodyguards at the clubhouse was uncalled for &#8211; no lame excuses here. Both were over-bearing, both should apologize for acting such, but the lanao mayor should be man enough to admit &#8211; na naginit na siya at nabuwisit na. actually wasted enough time with this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: pulis na pogi</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-25428</link>
		<dc:creator>pulis na pogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in this incident, the dela Pazes were first given attention by the media and add that to the fact the natural tendency of many filipinos (including me) to hold prejudice against moros, my first reaction is anger at the pangandaman.

and i am still angry at them up to this moment.  secretary and mayor pangandaman should have known better and should have acted with prudence no matter and however they were provoked.  they are no ordinary citizens but persons vested with responsibility by the people.

however, i now tend to give credence to the story of the pangandamans after my friend who happens to be a member of valley golf related his brush with the dela Pazes.  and so the story goes this way:

shortly before christmas, he was practicing his putting in one of the three putting greens in vally golf.  in the other putting green is bambee de la Paz also practicing putting.  mind you, this family of dela pazes are terrific golf players!  all of a sudden, bambee, together with her mother fanning herself like crazy, joined my friend in his putting green, stroking the house balls here and there, oblivious to the presence of my friend.  golf etiquette 101:  this is not beig courteous.  the same issue they used against the pangandamans.  fortunately my friend is no pangandaman and so the scandal happend days later and not involved my friend.  after around 30 minutes of pure arrogance and &quot;i am a champion and who are you&quot; attitude from bambee, she and her mother left my friend in the practice green with the 12 house balls strewn all around.  etiquette 101 again:  this is, again, not being couteous.  the ball holders clearly bore the sign &quot;replace after use.&quot;

after i heard this story of my friend, he and i thought, well, the arrogant dela Pazes met their match in the equally arrogant pangandamans.

now, we are angry at all of them for bringing their lies to the public and wasting our time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in this incident, the dela Pazes were first given attention by the media and add that to the fact the natural tendency of many filipinos (including me) to hold prejudice against moros, my first reaction is anger at the pangandaman.</p>
<p>and i am still angry at them up to this moment.  secretary and mayor pangandaman should have known better and should have acted with prudence no matter and however they were provoked.  they are no ordinary citizens but persons vested with responsibility by the people.</p>
<p>however, i now tend to give credence to the story of the pangandamans after my friend who happens to be a member of valley golf related his brush with the dela Pazes.  and so the story goes this way:</p>
<p>shortly before christmas, he was practicing his putting in one of the three putting greens in vally golf.  in the other putting green is bambee de la Paz also practicing putting.  mind you, this family of dela pazes are terrific golf players!  all of a sudden, bambee, together with her mother fanning herself like crazy, joined my friend in his putting green, stroking the house balls here and there, oblivious to the presence of my friend.  golf etiquette 101:  this is not beig courteous.  the same issue they used against the pangandamans.  fortunately my friend is no pangandaman and so the scandal happend days later and not involved my friend.  after around 30 minutes of pure arrogance and &#8220;i am a champion and who are you&#8221; attitude from bambee, she and her mother left my friend in the practice green with the 12 house balls strewn all around.  etiquette 101 again:  this is, again, not being couteous.  the ball holders clearly bore the sign &#8220;replace after use.&#8221;</p>
<p>after i heard this story of my friend, he and i thought, well, the arrogant dela Pazes met their match in the equally arrogant pangandamans.</p>
<p>now, we are angry at all of them for bringing their lies to the public and wasting our time!</p>
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		<title>By: tanga t</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanga t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is nothing new abusive filipino politicians- they will get away with this..they think it is their God given right to trample on poor pinoys.the sheer arrogance of the Pagandaman family-how many more will be hurt befor the governement will act.watch out-they willl turn the full might of their office on you-dela Paz family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is nothing new abusive filipino politicians- they will get away with this..they think it is their God given right to trample on poor pinoys.the sheer arrogance of the Pagandaman family-how many more will be hurt befor the governement will act.watch out-they willl turn the full might of their office on you-dela Paz family.</p>
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		<title>By: He Who Had Too Much Sense of Entitlement &#124; Prudence and Madness</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-25297</link>
		<dc:creator>He Who Had Too Much Sense of Entitlement &#124; Prudence and Madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of Thuggery and Courtesy Resignations by Ding G. Gagelonia [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rotogold</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-25208</link>
		<dc:creator>Rotogold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guilty or not, for whatever reasons ...  delicadeza dictates that the Secretary of the DAR should take a leave or resign outright.  

The son, who is a mayor, is another story.

What can I say?  I am not surprised at all.


poor PGMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guilty or not, for whatever reasons &#8230;  delicadeza dictates that the Secretary of the DAR should take a leave or resign outright.  </p>
<p>The son, who is a mayor, is another story.</p>
<p>What can I say?  I am not surprised at all.</p>
<p>poor PGMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Next drama please! &#124; reyna elena dot com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Next drama please! &#124; reyna elena dot com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ding Gagelonia writes: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. (son of DAR Chief) in Mauling Golfers in Antipolo : The D Spot</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/of-thuggery-and-courtesy-resignations/comment-page-1#comment-25126</link>
		<dc:creator>Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr. (son of DAR Chief) in Mauling Golfers in Antipolo : The D Spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Of Thuggery and Courtesy Resignations by Ding G. Gagelonia [...]</description>
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