It isn’t a secret that Pinoy education culture is 1) credential conscious and 2) grade conscious. Our culture tends to equate high grades to being educated and getting high grades can get you that credential. The “bulakbol” types like yours truly had for a mantra “don’t let your classes get in the way of your education”. But I did not go to the rally but to the movie! I was never grade conscious at all. I have tasted all grades in UP from 1 to 5 including the INC and the EDSA revolution grades of “Pass”.
This mentality for better or worse is still with me. The fact that I cut classes made me a sort of autodidact (and shot down my parents dream of having a laude in this family of UP alums). This being an autodidact was a plus when I did my PhD, for which in the British system, no grades are given. It’s either the Thesis was accepted or not.
To my horror I now have to give grades as a prof. The thing is if you rely on purely metrics (exam scores etc) you won’t be able to measure if they have been educated enough. There needs to be a certain degree of subjectivity. And this is a balancing act between assessing if students had learned enough content and if they have truly understood the subject matter by a change in how they view the world.
During the last commencement exercises, not a few profs reflected on why UP has producing laudes by the sackful. This year 18 summa cum laudes were graduated in Diliman alone. Is it because we have been getting brighter students over the years? Or is it our assessment standards have been falling? If it is the former, then well and good. If it is the latter then, we have grade inflation.
This made us think about our grading practices. Many students expect their profs to “curve the grade”. This may result in artificially inflating grade distributions. In fact someone who did a statistics masters degree made a study on grade inflation in selected UP Diliman colleges and departments and came to the conclusion that some colleges tend to have inflated grades while some departments in math, the sciences and engineering are notorious for grade deflation! This may confirm what I had suspected all along. Since the colleges that tend to inflate grades offer the general education subjects, this helps science and engineering majors who will get their dose of grade deflation. Thus it works fine. Students graduate!
In universities overseas, grade inflation is most pronounced in the professional programs (nursing, education, agriculture, management, communications) the arts (fine arts, creative writing etc) and some social sciences (sociology, history etc). Grade inflation is due to changing student culture, pedagogical culture and in the Pinoy case, the national education culture.
In the Pinoy case, we tend to consider grades as a measure of “self worth” and not about student work. Thus getting a bad grade may damage a student’s self esteem. This attitude has been observed even in the USA and UK. In some English schools, this has resulted in violence against teachers by students (an occupational hazard) or by parents (yikes!) While this is extreme, the teacher may be faced with a lawsuit. But unlike doctors facing malpractice suits, teachers don’t earn much to pay for lawyers. Is there a thing called “malteaching insurance”?
Thus the whole problem has opened an academic freedom can of worms. In the Philippine situation, a lawsuit against teachers is rare. What does happen is that if a teacher has been the subject of complaint about teaching methods and performance, administration won’t renew his/her contract. This has resulted in rapid faculty turnover. This is the so called Harvard effect. A prof that expects that his market will rise to his Harvard standard, can expect not to get tenure! The student is a customer and the customer is always right! To avoid harassment, a teacher would just give high grades.
Administration policies of measuring teaching effectiveness is partly to blame. How student perception to teaching effectiveness is given weight is administration’s call. In UP we have the students evaluation of teachers (SET) which in theory can measure professors effectiveness. Different departments have various ways of weighing the SET. It is common knowledge among students past and present that some profs have abyssimal SET scores but still are given tenure!
So much demands are placed on teachers that the easy way out is to give high grades and meet demand. They are asked to be pedagogically innovative, masters of the new teaching technologies, constantly upgrade teaching content, and to do and publish research. Another factor in grade inflation are relativistic educational assessment theories. Thus there is a departure from traditional ways of assessment. While some of these theories are good, they are often misapplied. The end result is that the teacher has abrogated much of his/her authority to give the right grades.
In the US, proposed solutions to the problem of grade inflation include putting a statistical cap on how many As or 1.0s can be given in a semester. Also there is a proposal for university wide review and accreditation of assessment system in each college. Standardizing syllabi is another proposal. Another proposal include post-tenure review for teaching effectiveness and improving faculty mentoring systems in universities. One radical proposal includes post-graduate testing for all college grads not only those seeking professional registration. One easily applied “reform” is for colleges and departments to publicly disclose course median grades.
These proposed solutions obviously would create academic freedom controversy in UP and other universities. Departments don’t like interference from central administration or from any other department. As for post-graduate testing for all college grads, I think this would be impractical in the Pinoy situation. But I believe the problem of grade inflation runs deep into Pinoy society and to basic education. It is somewhat a parody of excellence that schools award a heap of medals on their honor students.
One message of grade inflation is this. The grade means nothing at all. Students get to learn that in the workplace!
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“One message of grade inflation is this. The grade means nothing at all. Students get to learn that in the workplace!”
- I hope HRs of different companies can read this.
The quality of an education from UP Diliman deteriorates if UP keeps hiring instructors and professors who take the easy way out when faced with …So much demands … placed on teachers … They are asked to be pedagogically innovative, masters of the new teaching technologies, constantly upgrade teaching content, and to do and publish research.
Jay: HR departments are aware, so the potential of the job applicant is also determined by what some call “ability to bullshit” and others call “communication skills and leadership demeanor” during the interview, the credentials of the references provided by the applicant as well as the professors that the applicant studied under.
HR departments also take into consideration job-specific items like UNIX versus Windows, how heavy a load you can lift, height and weight, the shapeliness of the applicant’s legs and knowledge of cost-accounting or medical terminology, along with the names of former bosses and work-colleagues.
Note also that some other HRs are resorting to such preference whether you were from a prestigious school like UP, DLSU, ADMU, UST etc.. Yeah, it’s utterly their prerogative to set their own Quality Control, no one can rebut it.. But I feel it’s just so unfair that I started to pore over on the fact, the school UNDERRATES the applicants..
The topic is on grade inflation.. I digress, my apology..
I happened to talk with the University Registrar of UPLB the other time and if what she said were gauge, then I believe there is no such situation in UP SYSTEM that indicates a case of grade inflation.
For UPLB alone, the UPCAT qualifiers exceed that of last year and exceeds UPLB’s carrying capacity in fact which is only 2,000 but 800 more students will be boarding the UPLB ‘school bus’.
The pattern follows suit in other UP units. We can almost expect that this present crop are the better than the past.
What explains this an emerging theory that IQ expands. This means we get the more intelligent students from upper middle class families. Something from the environment, less from the DNA.
Grades are like the marks on an Ehrlenmeyer Flask and belong to the theory that education is about loading up the hairy jugs we are carrying on our shoulders with knowledge and information.
Perhaps if we subscribed more to the theory that education is all about IGNITION, then grades would be irrelevant and a Pass Fail system would suffice.
IN my experience, once we have lit the fires of curiosity and inquisitiveness, teachers and teaching methods largely become irrelevant to the progress of those already on fire with the ambition to rise above mediocrity and “pwede na” to expertise and wisdom.
That’s a good way to level the playing field. Give A’s and B+ to all.
Then the ones who get the job are the ones who have connections.
or we can have a perpetual EDSA revolution. All students get a pass! And those who kiss ass get the jobs.
“What explains this an emerging theory that IQ expands. This means we get the more intelligent students from upper middle class families. Something from the environment, less from the DNA.”
Can that be a true statement?? Unless we get the stat from what social status those excess “800 more students” that has to be accomodated came from, then what could be the basis for saying, “Something from the environment, less from the DNA.”
Is that like saying that the “800 more students” were qualified on the basis of their paying capacity rather the old qualifying system of UPCAT?
Is that how UP works nowadays?
A theory is offhand a true statement.
Point here is this without citing statistics. Under that theory that IQ, has it become that hard to understand that there is a far larger expansion room or space if an individual is in an environment of much affluence where most anything is provided than when that same individual would have to spend his time or life in some crampy space, no nothing.
This is why, individuals coming from upper middle class families have comparatively higher IQs than those from the poverty threshold.
Before you miss on the point just raised, 2,800 passed UPCAT and yet UPLB’s carrying capacity is only good for 2,000. Compared to last year of only 2,600 UPCAT qualifiers.
Individuals with the same DNA or genetic given, some of these from upper middle class and some from the poverty threshold. The theory proves or argues that those in the former have higher IQ expansion, expanders than those from the poverty threshold.
If that is still unclear, I don’t know.
Is this true? Is IQ synonymous to knowledge?
Is space relevant to intelligence development of an individual?
I know it’s advertised that glutaphos enhanced the mind but I’m not sure if I should believe it.
Oh, the wonders and beauty of reading blogs, specifically FV. One can learn so much.
Just to repeat for you bert.
Space in the context given refers to household. This means that poor children in middle class households tend to improve their IQs by significant points higher than in low class households.
These are based on research studies.
Certainly, this comes as novel since conventional wisdom normally embraced the view that as if everything has already been encoded in our genes.
This means kung matalino parents mo, matalino ka rin because of the DNA or a genetic given.
On the other hand, it is not exactly so. Otherwise, programs intended to improve your IQ become entirely useless.
I hope it made my point clear so far. Kung hindi pa rin, pasensiya na po.
Let us kindly read Richard Nisbett, professor of psychology in the University of Michigan who did come up with this theory from studies he did.
According to study, when poor children are adopted into upper middle class households, their IQs improve from 12 to 18 points. So un lang naman ang point dito.
Thus with IQ rising sharply over time, who knows how much less IQs some now carry between their eyes compared to the youth of today. Chances are, some may be classified as mental retardates by current standards and that is not at all flattering.
Primer: are you saying that you are smarter than your parents when your parents had provided you with a better life than their parents had provided for them?
Or : you were adopted into a better-income household, so your IQ is higher by 12 to 18 points. ]
And then, there a theme Renato Pacifico had mentioned twice or more : the first-generation FilAm’s have higher IQ’s than their counterparts raised in Pinas. For sure, I know RenatoP says low-IQ Pinas’ pekeng-peryodista.
All IQ tests are culture and context bound. Try giving a Chinese designed IQ test to even genius IQ Americans and they just won’t do as well. It is a myth that IQ tests measure actual intelligence. They only measure the quantity and quality of what you happen to know for the purposes of the test. Not how much you COULD know, or how fast you could learn, or how hard the knowledge is you could absorb. You are comparing mangos to apples when you compare first gen Fil Ams against immigrants.
Think about this: two identical twins, (identical DNA) one grows up in Pinas the other California. The latter will do better than the former, but surely they are of equal biological intelligence and mental capacity, no?
It’s your DNA that largely determines how smart you really are or could be, though environment determines whether you will be. But IQ tests cannot distinguish what the CAUSE was of your performance: nature or nurture!
djb, true. in which case, asians do better abroad not so much because they are inherently intelligent, but because the foreign environment pushes them to prove their worth. and a host of other factors.
Sorry blackshama as this is off topic. Last time I wrote an article for this site, it took probably 2 days to be online.
The Extended Continental Shelf claim deadline is tomorrow as far as I remember; which probably makes it sometime before daybreak for us on the 14th if the basis is in the U.S.
I remember we only passed a “partial” claim limiting ourselves to claiming an ECS for the eastern side comprising Benham Rise.
I understand it diplomatically. But tomorrow is another thing. Could you perhaps know if the Philippine officials like Ambassador Davide are in fact aiming for a buzzer beater?
I can understand if we didn’t immediately claim an ECS along the Kalayaan islands and Scarborough shoal as this would certainly incite a torrent of complaints from other countries.
But every country that wants to make a claim will have a deadline of tomorrow to pass one. It will be a frenzy and every other country will be to busy to complain as every country that wants to claim will have claimed by tomorrow.
The Wiki on IQ has the standard definitions and history of the concept of measuring intelligence with standard tests. But the part that may be relevant to this discussion on IQ seems to be:
I suppose it could also mean that the general living standards have also been rising and the availability of education has improved, so that people do better on the tests.
There is also a dispute about WHAT is actually being measured. Is it “intelligence” as we intuitively understand it to mean (ie how brainy or smart a person is), or does it just measure educational attainment or knowledge of the subject matters that are actually found in the tests.
This is our culture. Bright students are hoped to succeed well
in life. In real life,this is not the case. Bill Gates, the founder of the Microsoft Corporation, and the innovator of the Information
Technology was a College dropout.
When I was in the University, I was just an ordinary student. What I had learned in University subjects were not applicable in daily living. I learn more in private studying and in life than in the University. Education is important as a Foundation. But, it is not the ultimate solution, I believe.
If you love a subject study. Knowledge will just flow easily into your brain. No matter how hard it seems to be. The eagerness to learn
is the key to all learning.
re bill gates. i think the key is that he voluntarily dropped out. he chose to leave, because of a better opportunity.
he wasn’t kicked out. he didn’t “fail” in college.
He choose the computer field rather than law. He heard a different
drummer…and it was the right path.
Hay this is another regurgitation of our most favorite topic credential/education/grades that we’ve gone through before. Grades and credentials are important in any recognized institution and society. The fact that there are some exceptions like Bill Gates does not negate the fact that these are pillars of any modern society. Look at the campaigns of our presidentiables, most of them have a key agenda to improve the Philippine educational standards. As there is no better tool yet invented to gauge the effectiveness of the student mastery and learning the fudamentals of any subject, then grades would be the yardstick. As for grade inflation, as long as everyone gets inflated, who cares. The highest marks still get inflated higher. The inflated highest marks will still be glaringly higher than the inflated lowest marks. Theories on learning is constantly evolving. One of them is that engaging in physical fitness activities also enhances learning. Also, learning a new language, artistic pursuits, cultural awareness, and even life skills which include how to deal with emotions/conflict/difficult people are recognized as important components in education.
Rosa,
I disagree with your argument because there is a maximum grade possible, say “A”. If the inflation rate is a constant after awhile everyone is at or near the max and those nearest to it benefit the least from the inflationary trend.
My point is anyone near A are already smart enough to even get that grade and whether your grade gets inflated so that you almost all those near A are all gettings A. However, the one with lowest marks will still get low marks even if inflated because a D+ inflated from a D will still be be a lot lower than an A or A-. Unless you are telling me that in the Phil. a D student will be given an A because of grade inflation.
UP n,
Put simply, yes, American households compared to Pinoy counterpart will produce higher IQ children.
Speaking of orphans, you may wish to glide down to Skinner who thinks there can be an “Ideal Society” which means that children from different DNAs can have the same IQ, more or less, after being regimented to the same set of stimuli. This he calls – positive reinforcement therapy.
Perhaps, PMA reinforces this view. They are like guinea pigs in the laboratory (no offense intended).
Primer,
IQ as statistical measurement does not measure the “same thing” between American school children and Pilipino school children. We would be comparing apples to mangos. IQ is actually your rank relative to the average in your cohort. I don’t think IQ scores between cohorts mean very much. IQ measures “local” parameter not a global one.
It certainly does NOT measure “biological intelligence” as such, but the effect of education and experience on the individual relative to those that we may assume have had a similar education and experience.
An IQ of 100 only means you are average in your cohort, but it is meaningless in other cohorts that are not tested the same way or belong in entirely different social and national contexts.
sure you can compare. you can compare the mean IQ across populations and over time (Flynn effect).
occasionally, they renormalize the mean back to 100.
GabbyD,
Oh you can compare the scores. But remember the cohorts are different. So its like comparing the mean diameter of the apples in a barrel with the mean diameter of the lanzones in a different barrel and thinking they might mean something for the quality of fruit. They simply don’t.
IQ tests do not measure anything absolute and are culture-sensitive questions. Always.
not to mention, language-dependent too.
IQ is the available tool of our age to measure intelligence ability. You cannot measure skills, talents, drive, hopes and dreams, etc…That is why we have Edisons, Churchills, Pacquiaos, etc…
How do you measure the ability and drive of Manny Pacquiao? Or the
singing ability of Charlize Pempengco?
Spot on, Tasio!
The grade means nothing at all. Students get to learn that in the workplace!
People can be earning the highest grades and all the degrees.
Question is how relevant is the substance of the knowledge being imparted.
We can give all our college graduates the degrees the grades and the degrees the Philippine educational system can muster.
With all these bright bulbs shining – I would imagine the Philippines would be out of a rut right now, government is streamlined, procedures are smooth and quick, resources are allocated equitably, – not retraining college graduates to become supermaids – summa cum laude.
DJB,
If we speak of upper middle class households and how they bear upon the ‘expansion’ in IQ of otherwise poor or in fact low IQ children, we are speaking of a causal relationship that reflects the statistical findings of Prof. Nisbett.
In other words, we speak of cause and effect. In this case, children adopted into upper middle class households indicate improvement in their IQ by as much as 12 to 18 points than when adopted in say, bottom low class households.
Since someone here made mention of comparisons, that of US and RP, then, to my mind, it is not far remote that in social, cultural and economic contexts that are significantly different, it is logical that the US upper middle class households would produced more ‘classes of children’ with improved IQ points.
No need to repeat the experiment, is there?
Primer,
Consider a poor child A and a rich child B. It is an observable fact that poor children do significantly worse on standardized IQ tests than rich children do. Now when A is adopted by a rich family, you report that there is an “expansion” in A’s IQ score. Let us assume that A begins to score just as high as B, the rich kid does.
What can we conclude from this? Well it just means that A was probably just as well endowed biologically (number of connections per neuron and number of neurons) as B.
Surely, the mere adoption into a rich family did not suddenly endow A with more neurons and connections among them, correct? Rather, better food, better education means he gets to do better on the standard test.
But there is no cause and effect in the sense that becoming rich made him more “intelligent” in a biological and physical sense. I hope that is not what you meant, because that would be wrong.
So now, how can you say we can compare apple diameters with those of lanzones diameters?
IQ tests are statistical measurements that rank individuals against their cohorts or ensemble of similar cases. They are only indicative of what the person actually knows for the purposes of the test, not necessarily their intellectual potential or biological brain capability.
Your own data forces that interpretation upon us. Becoming rich won’t make true morons more intelligent, even if they do better on the test.
why doesn’t the test reflect some kind of intelligence (like reasoning, logic)?
aren’t the questions designed to reflect some kind of intelligence?
bourdieu’s concept of habitus plays significantly in pointing out the advantage of being rich–because then you are well provided, mentally and physically. that’s nurture. just by being rich, however, does not automatically bring about high i.q., but, yes, it can help expand it though.
the intelligence of one who is poor (e.g., young indian mathematician ramanujan) is inherent. exposure to an environment where learning is promoted would naturally expand the absorption of greater knowledge. new knowledge acquired could spike up i.q. scores because this acquired knowledge could be a component of what the i.q. test is testing. but does not mean the intelligence of that poor person was never there to begin with. hence, this cannot be strictly causal.
ever heard of the story about how the the poor cosmonauts solved the mystery of what writing implement to use in space while the rich americans where busy devising an item for use by their astronauts?
… CON’T
FlipSchools has the bestest grade inflation than anywhere else in the world. We crank out accountants that cannot account, lawyers that don’t know how to follow rules-of-law, thousands and thousands of nurses in the recent nurses board exam there were 32,000 nurses that passed the board …. WHEEEEWWWW …. Desperate HOUSEWIVES MUST BE CORRECT!!!!
ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!
FLIPLAND: 15-16 years-old = High School Graduate
CIVILIZED WORLD: 18-19 yEARS OLD = Higgh Schol Graduate
FLIPLAND: Crank outs the mostest the bestest and the brightests accountants, engineers and nurses in a semester for XPORT AS SERVANTS
CIVILIZED WORLDs; Crank out less graduate but quality graduates
FLIPLAND: BS graduate work as sales man/lady in SM
CIVILIZED WORLD: Dropouts created HP, Apple, MicroHard, Tomatoes, XYZ
FLIPLAND: Dropouts, become criminals
CIVILIZED WORLD: Dropouts become CEOs
FLIPLAND: Boksingero becomes President. Becomes God
CIVILIZED WORLD: Boksingeros file for bankruptcy
… cont’
FLIPLAND: Foreign-educated-ivy-school graduate steal from the people
CIVILIZED WORLD: Ivy-graduate help the people
FLIPLAND: Education stops upon graduate of college
CIVILIZED WORLD: Education is never ending pursuit
Now who’s grade inflating the mostests?
FLIPLAND: Diplomas are hanged in the sala for decoration
CIVILIZED WORLD: Diplomas are hidden away from prying eyes
Now who’s grade conscious and grade inflationengese aside from natural form of economical inflationegee
Primer,
In my opinion, higher IQ children does not mean “natively more intelligent” children. They are just better prepared to take the test and could be cretins compared to some who might have a test score of 50.
But what is your understanding of the Intelligence Quotient as a mathematical quotient? What are the numerator and denominator of the Intelligence Quotient. What is divided into what in order to derive one’s IQ?
You talkin’ ’bout pinoy? o yo talkin’ about human species in heneral?
Dean, in America Flips consider themselves as Asian. Yes, geographically speakengese, Flips are Asian. Flips lav da connotation of Asians because they are brither than anyone else … But unfortunately for the brown-skin punked nose Flips including Thailandereses and Indonesianeses they are below IQ in Amerika! It’s mostly the whitengeses yellow-skin who has more iQ and has more accomplishment and has more contribution to America than the brown-skin Asians.
Deal with it!!!!!!
See RP, it’s slightly better after taking L….. Okay, let me address your very first comment on FV without typographical bedlam…
I was just asking Primer to help us out by defining IQ (“Intelligence Quotient”).
I was not asking Primer to define intelligence as a biological and mental capacity.
Now, you seem to be confused between the two: IQ and intelligence.
Care to take a crack at defining and differentiating the two? (I know you are capable if you put your tremulous-turbulent mind to it).
BTW Filipinos are not Asian. We are Orphans of the Anglosphere.
Dean, I’m a pathetic forlorn repentant slave of yours. I cannoT take a crack between IQ and intelligence. I’m not Dan Broown you know! I’m just a Filipino. A low-IQ from inferior gene pool UNLIKE benign0, Bongv, Primer and You.
Sorry, I don’t take slaves, repentant or otherwise. But you can be our “colleague” RP. In being a human being. That should be our greatest ambition. That is why we are here at FV. To discover our humanity in each other, not to betray it.
I love you Dean! I want to know you. I want to meet you. I maybe half your age but you’re cool! :)
Renato says between Fil Ams and the Pinoy counterpart, the former will have higher IQ. Looks like he is a Fil Am, so what? Don’t forget to take your pills, my friend or undrugged, you tend to feel a slave you’re not, fact, you’re a king.
DJB says between apples and oranges or useless altogether to have to compare IQ from cohorts of different social or national contexts say American children vs. Filipino children.
The theory that IQ expands is purely statistical, this may be said with no risk of being at error.
That intelligence is inherited because DNA or genetic make up commands it so – a parent’s trait of high IQ can be passed on to an offspring or child – this much can be accepted.
Environment, aside from genetics, plays a role, gets a share in the mental development of a child. Better environments produce higher IQ children following Nisbett.
Just to connect to the dot which the blog carries as its theme,or grade inflation, it is I think the chronic fanaticism of the old to think that the younger generation of UP has lost their genes which is not the case. In the world of biology, DNA is undeletable. But then again, environment completes the menu.
DJB says between apples and oranges or useless altogether to have to compare IQ from cohorts of different social or national contexts say American children vs. Filipino children.
Primer:
I would like to emulate an esteemed, venerable, credentialed, respected blogger’s comment that was made yesterday, to impress upon our young minds how a senior citizen should behave – YOU and DJB get a room. :D
hehe. Am very pleased to see that my comment-in-jest hurt you so much yesterday you’ve been pricked into self-confessed plagiarism, Skinhead.
DJB:
hurt? you gotta be kidding me Mother Superior
On the contrary, it was to highlight the phoniness of your tranny faggot act :D
Primer,
No one disagrees that Nature and Nurture play a role in a performance measured abilities. What are you arguing about anyway?
I’m also puzzled by the use of the expression “IQ expands”. After all it is just your place under the Gaussian Distribution that mathematically describes the tested performance of your cohort. These are statistical distributions that have very different shapes depending on the cohort being tested (mean and standard deviation determine the shape, whether tightly bound around the mean or more spread out). Since you won’t take the apples-versus-oranges analogy, maybe you will see it better described technically.
Also you have not bothered to tell us what the quotient components are in the term “IQ”. When you do, perhaps we will all come to understand things better, Vous le vouz reserche avec BongV?
You can all blog and comment on grades, IQ, EQ – and all the wise men in the Philippines – can come up with supermaids :D
Teacher to student ratios are horrendous.
Classrooms and buildings are worse for wear.
Student population is increasing rapidly.
Teachers are not getting paid on time.
Dep-Ed text books are full of errors – and OVERPRICED.
Students come to school hungry.
Speaking about priorities – so much ado over NOTHING.
Waaaa! Waaaa! I’m not a Fil-Am. I’m a Filipino. With inferior barnacley DNAs clinging into my cells. Cowardly white unrevolutionary blood gushing in and out of my stupid heart.
I’m genetically deformed! Waaaa! Waaaa! Call me a Filipino but not Fil-Am!
A Filipino has every right to violate laws whereas Fil-Ams are constrained of fettered America’s legislated morality …
Waaaa! Waaaa! I don’t pay my taxes. My vote is for sale.
All this IQ talk in America, the Philippines, FilAms etc won’t get anywhere. To survive on the planet, you need EQ more. In fact the evolution of hominins may have been speeded up by emotional adaptations.
As for grades in the transcripts and job applications, I have noticed that those laudes who apply for my research jobs can’t think beyond what the syllabus and textbooks prescribe. These laudes having no EXPERIENCE OF FAILURE, often have a steep learning curve doing real science research jobs. In science, oftentimes experiments flop and fail. The laude having no experience of being a flop, has a hard time dealing with this. I had one laude research assistant run to me saying that the experiment should not fail! The laude gets bored and frustrated. You need EQ to deal with this!
Anyway, it takes aut 1 or 2 failures for the laude to face reality. Nonetheless once they do, they become good scientists.
So when I evaluate academic performance to match the kind of work I require, I tend to favour the graduate who got a 5.0 or a 4.0 in at most one subject over the laudes. The students who once flopped knows how to get out of failure and assess why he/she failed.
Of course if an applicant has a string of 5.0s then that means he/she is plain incompetent!
I was hoping someone would bring up the matter of multiple intelligence theory. Yes indeed, emotional maturity has a lot to do with actual performance outside of the IQ testing center and the grading process. On failure, I disagree with you that an applicant with 5.0 is undesirable for that reason. Else why do we screen for good grades? Well yes there are interviews too to gauge overall personality and attitude, but in general such emotional quotient problems are also extant in the failures (1.0 gpa) or the mediocre (3.0). No hard and fast correlation applies. In general you still want the 5.0s because most of us believe or hope that emotional maturity can be achieved at any age, but if you don’t have calculus or the scientific method down pat because you failed in high school and college or only muddled through, it’ll be hard to do any good work at all for Prof. Blackshama.
to Jay P. Yan: As you can see, blakchama talks from both sides of his mouth about
. . . . The grade means nothing at all. Students get to learn that in the workplace!
Laude, Laude has no place in my dear homeland without CONNECTIONS! Connections beat the laudes hands-down …
I knew of UP graduates who reports to unemployable supervising Flips in Land of Milk and Honey who got nowhere because they used their head (As if only UP graduates has the only head).
I was one of those victims (I’m not even a UP graduate). I did not do the extra mile … I DID A THOUSAND EXTRA MILE … and the flip manager thought I’m going over the top over her head … This Flip manager was not even gainfully employed in the Flipland while I was in a job of great responsibility …
If you are in America, don’t ever cross a Flip … you just allow yourself to be LED, COMMANDED, CONTROLLED, PUSHED AROUND and MEEKLY FOLLOW …
Who says the MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH? HA!HA!HA!HA!
The meek will not have accomplishment. The meek cannot meaningfully contribute to American society. What is there to contribute when they just follow like robots!!!!
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! VIVA FILIPINOS!!!! YOU HARDEN DER!!!!!! HA!HA!HA!HA!
EQ? di ba diaper yun?! :) joke!
Blackshama,
Can you tell that I NEVER set foot in the UP. Didn’t even realize the highest grade is 1.0 and not 5.0. Hehe. My bad!
Still, I would say that better than average grades overall would be a reasonable indication of a disciplined student, and would thus be a reasonable indication of a disciplined worker. An HR interviewer normally assesses past performance as an indication of future performance. As for the typical U.P. student, madiskarte yan and should be able to manage decent grades (ok, perhaps dotted with a few 5′s and INCs). Those 5′s and INCs must be explained honestly to the interviewer. My own philosophy in grades as a student is just to scrape by with 3′s. Extra curricular activities in orgs molds the student more (and more fun!) , yet he should manage get decent grades. I would put a great deal of focus interviewing the person on extra-curricular activities.
Look up “Educated incapacities” … The Big Blue once a humongous behemoth in technology … They had a meeting with hot shot managers … they were given each a wire hanger … they were told what you can do with the wire hanger … they came up with two or three ideas …
Came in a 5-year-old child … given a wire hanger … the 5-year-old child has more ideas what to do with the wire hanger than the managers of Big Blue …
Bec;aue the managers were constrained by the narrow confine of their education ……. IGNORANCE IS A BLISS!!!!
Primer: You must immediately stop what you are doing, get away from this hint of science, put on some backbone and assert that it is stupid, this thing about first-generation FilAms having higher IQ’s than their counterparts in Pinas. Why are you taking on a loser posture? You use statistics if it gives you an advantage. Uless you have a business proposition based on it, or unless you tell me that you are a son of a FilAm living in Florida and you want to claim that you are more intelligent than all of DJB’s nephews and nieces growing up in Pinas, then your position should be “… Pinas Pinoys will score equally on IQ tests as FilAm Pinoys”.
Throw in some often-repeated criticisms of IQ tests, like In reality, IQ tests are nothing more than a type of achievement test which primarily measures knowledge of standard English and exposure to the cultural experiences of middle class whites. and since FilAm’s are not whites, their advantage over Pinas Pinoys is probably negligible. Do the DJB bullshit dance by throwing in Gaussian, toric curves, lognormals or outliers. Bring in blakshama’s skills with using the anatomy of the coconut to prove a point. Above all else, ask for proof, namely who has done and what are the results of IQ-tests of first-generation FilAms versus their counterparts in Pinas.
And ask RenatoP what medicine he is taking so you get what is needed to stiffen the backbone and hold one’s ground against pekeng-peryodistas and bloggers whatever their age.
You’re doing just fine Primer. UP n grad is suggesting you lower yourself to the level of the coconut racists and eschew a strictly scientific outlook for his own ideologically driven stances.
I may not agree with everything you say, but I see the earnest effort and the originality that emerges from that. And you have the courage to post stuff here that you know will come under the scrutiny of others who lurk in the shadows of anonymity and like the terrorist Abu Sayyaf ambush and way lay you with innuendo, typographical chaos, and uncontrolled manic depression.
The world is full of intellectualy parasites and mental viruses, which use trolls and ideologues to do their work.
Have no fear or intimidation from these, or from me. For we are Human Beings first and foremost. The coconut racists trod down a different evolutionary track!
Sheesh – all the grades and IQs – and still a third world country.
All form and NO substance :D
UP n,
I am trying to be a bit more kind against rather uncharacteristic way of things, of some souls we discuss, debate, argue with, possibly even learn from.
Sometimes perhaps it can’t be helped.
Point is this. It is not for you to say stop, stop hinting on science, and so on unless the one telling me this is highly credentialed such as what background in science research, if any, he can brag about. I had done a lot in the area of philosophy of science and I don’t think anyone like you could be better equipped to you know, do the way you do, hint of your higher capacity in the field, which is not even luminously reflected so yet in the manner you run your thoughts.
There will be a kind of difficulty to be faced here.
If I remember clear, it was Renato, our friend Renato who embraced the view that Fil Ams reflect higher IQs than the Pinoy counterpart and indeed I can tend to agree because I for a time been likewise to America as in Europe. Indicators tell me it is a statistical reality but not necessarily an absolute one.
Neither did I ever claim much less hinted that I am more intelligent that DJB, nephews, nieces and all because it is clear to me that I am not more intelligent than anyone of the pack.
I may be suspected of adopting to a loser posture of which I may have to plead guilty but then again that is borne of the fact that sometimes idealists like us simply reach a level of desperation when the best defense is absorb more heat.
I owe DJB an answer to one other question which I have yet to oblige. Since you seem to claim to be that intelligent or of higher IQ, you probably have to do the honors, please?
No, primer. (to give DJB an answer to some question) is your job so you go do it.
The debt is to yourself, and to posterity, not to me!
I do not agree on the idea anybody putting somebody in a box. Because his or her IQ does not measure up. Your IQ does not show the whole you. We, humans have been given talents and skills,
as well as some degree of intelligence for learning.
I saw and Austistic child, disabled on our term. He can calculate ; do Math and do Calculus. I saw one playing hard and complicated Music variations. One was good in giving you the Weather conditions of previous years.
Let the individual learn in this life. Discover his or her individuality. Discover his or her talents, skills, ability, etc…
Live his or her life to the fullest. No matter who you are, or where
you came from.
Spot on, Tasio. We are here to discover our humanity in each other, not to betray it as the coconut racists would have us do!
UP n,
I take no job orders from no one.
Now you have shown to posterity that after all, you are holding no ace. And for me, that is almost close to saying, stop what you yourself are doing or coconuts might flood the streets of EDSA blocking vehicles so that a traffic can create or change governments.
That’s commendable!!!
Primer : that’s commendable. While your response became incoherent when you added the words about coconut :roll: and EDSA traffic, the backbone-display and bravado with “…I take no job orders from no one.” remains commendable. :razz:
However, you don’t get full credit. There is the matter of consistency : not a measure of IQ but related to character. When you say
and you do not deliver, you lose points
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[Number of points deducted depends on the importance a community gives to "palabra de honor".]
You’re like the drunken policeman who got involved in a brawl, who to escape responsibility, invoke as to sort of intimidate the other persons that “I am a policeman”. And the persons did shout – “so what”. So you, like the policeman received more black eyes than he needs.
If you are just a commenter, act like one. Keep the traffic moving. Otherwise, nakakahiya. Sometimes perhaps, you just cannot follow the train of thought and the drift, whenever it happens. That’s what happens in ‘quick moving responses’ when one fails to reflect.
Primer:
You are a traffic obstruction.
Dude:
I am a commenter in the lane, you are a traffic obstruction, a car travelling 35 MPH in a the 70 MPH zone.
If you travel 35 MPH stay out of the freeway, stay in the county road.
Or you’ll have a whole lane of people giving you the finger and shoutin ‘ hey tard get out of the frakkin road :lol:
Though that assumes you will be given a drivers license :lol:
Is there a way you can say what you said nicely?
If you can’t, you can invent it. It seems like you did push DJB out of FV.
You’re not gonna push me out of here, will you?
Truly, “this thingie only brings the worst in us” as DJB said and we all should take heed.
Motherhoods such as you do belong to the limbo of meaningless utterances.
Primer:
Ok, I’ll say it nicely – we all beat to a different drummer.
in going to a destination, some want to take the jeep, some want to take the plane, some want to take the ocean, some want to have a combination of all modes of transportation
your destination is going south. my destination is headed north. or whichever you so decide at the speed you decide in the mode you decide.
- bottom line is to reach the destination.
My Ford pick up runs at a speed of 100 and 20.
If yours does only 70, you have a lot of catching up to do and running 70 in a more than 10-year old unmaintained automobile is itself a violation.
In short, you must be driving an unregistered vehicle.
mph? kph?