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	<title>Comments on: Our culture of bullshit and the need to preach to the unconverted</title>
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		<title>By: pumpy</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/our-culture-of-bullshit-and-the-need-to-preach-to-the-unconverted/comment-page-1#comment-15044</link>
		<dc:creator>pumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ask three questions about Philippine society and try to answer them using folksy views and anecdotes! Are you illustrating your views of Filipinos through your answers? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ask three questions about Philippine society and try to answer them using folksy views and anecdotes! Are you illustrating your views of Filipinos through your answers? :-)</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/our-culture-of-bullshit-and-the-need-to-preach-to-the-unconverted/comment-page-1#comment-3783</link>
		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I agree. Hope is lost when we lose our wherewithal to fight. Having said that though i think REAL hope cannot exist without clarity around an aspect of the problem that the hopER can actually influence.

Kung baga, if you find yourself in a deep hole with greased vertical walls, you&#039;re pretty much in a hopeless situation. Any amount of hope that you create IN YOUR HEAD will not get you out of that hole.

If jumping up and down or trying to claw your way up those greased walls for one year didn&#039;t work, what would make one think that doing the same thing for another two or three more would eventually work? Kung baga you are fighting and expending EFFORT that does not necessarily translate to RESULTS.

One option would be to &lt;i&gt;hope&lt;/i&gt; for that unlikely BUT POSSIBLE (non-zero probability) scenario within a reasonable time where all the air molecules in the hole simultaneously happen to vibrate in the same direction thereby lifting you bodily out of the hole in a sudden gust of freak Brownian motion. Those are the kinds of scenarios we were told to seek through &lt;b&gt;PRAYER&lt;/b&gt;.

On the other hand, one in such a situation can scrounge around for materials within the hole to build a ladder he could use to climb out of said hole. The presence of materials in the hole that (given a bit of &lt;i&gt;imagination&lt;/i&gt; needed to visualise some kind of ladder out of whatever material one could find in said hole) is a factor identified OUTSIDE OF YOUR HEAD which you then turn into a SOLUTION. Those are the kinds of scenarios we were trained in school to seek through &lt;b&gt;THINKING&lt;/b&gt;. 

Brings us back to that &lt;i&gt;familiar&lt;/i&gt; question i like to ask about our society, doesn&#039;t it? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I agree. Hope is lost when we lose our wherewithal to fight. Having said that though i think REAL hope cannot exist without clarity around an aspect of the problem that the hopER can actually influence.</p>
<p>Kung baga, if you find yourself in a deep hole with greased vertical walls, you&#8217;re pretty much in a hopeless situation. Any amount of hope that you create IN YOUR HEAD will not get you out of that hole.</p>
<p>If jumping up and down or trying to claw your way up those greased walls for one year didn&#8217;t work, what would make one think that doing the same thing for another two or three more would eventually work? Kung baga you are fighting and expending EFFORT that does not necessarily translate to RESULTS.</p>
<p>One option would be to <i>hope</i> for that unlikely BUT POSSIBLE (non-zero probability) scenario within a reasonable time where all the air molecules in the hole simultaneously happen to vibrate in the same direction thereby lifting you bodily out of the hole in a sudden gust of freak Brownian motion. Those are the kinds of scenarios we were told to seek through <b>PRAYER</b>.</p>
<p>On the other hand, one in such a situation can scrounge around for materials within the hole to build a ladder he could use to climb out of said hole. The presence of materials in the hole that (given a bit of <i>imagination</i> needed to visualise some kind of ladder out of whatever material one could find in said hole) is a factor identified OUTSIDE OF YOUR HEAD which you then turn into a SOLUTION. Those are the kinds of scenarios we were trained in school to seek through <b>THINKING</b>. </p>
<p>Brings us back to that <i>familiar</i> question i like to ask about our society, doesn&#8217;t it? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Limjap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Limjap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>benign0,

Victims are only victims if they let themselves be victims.

Hope is only lost if we do not fight back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>benign0,</p>
<p>Victims are only victims if they let themselves be victims.</p>
<p>Hope is only lost if we do not fight back.</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/our-culture-of-bullshit-and-the-need-to-preach-to-the-unconverted/comment-page-1#comment-3732</link>
		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj, &quot;my kind of thinking&quot; you had in mind, is it? What &lt;i&gt;specifically&lt;/i&gt; about &quot;my kind of thinking&quot; did you have in mind? If I&#039;m not mistaken, you said that mine is &quot;typical&quot; of that &quot;elitist mindset&quot; you speak of. If it is &quot;typical&quot;, then I must say, I must be in good company. :D

PSI/Jon, there is &quot;hope&quot;. There is hope ONLY if we are able to clearly &lt;i&gt;substantiate&lt;/i&gt; this &quot;hope&quot;.

There is no hope if it is hinged on some kind of superstitious belief that good things &lt;i&gt;eventually&lt;/i&gt; happen to victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj, &#8220;my kind of thinking&#8221; you had in mind, is it? What <i>specifically</i> about &#8220;my kind of thinking&#8221; did you have in mind? If I&#8217;m not mistaken, you said that mine is &#8220;typical&#8221; of that &#8220;elitist mindset&#8221; you speak of. If it is &#8220;typical&#8221;, then I must say, I must be in good company. :D</p>
<p>PSI/Jon, there is &#8220;hope&#8221;. There is hope ONLY if we are able to clearly <i>substantiate</i> this &#8220;hope&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is no hope if it is hinged on some kind of superstitious belief that good things <i>eventually</i> happen to victims.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Limjap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Limjap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PSI,

So your defeatist stand concludes that there&#039;s no hope?

That kinda includes you in the &quot;susceptible to manipulation and exploitation&quot; group, doesn&#039;t it?

Mind you, not everyone who leaves are the forces that can help change society. And not everyone who stays is a lame duck defeatist like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PSI,</p>
<p>So your defeatist stand concludes that there&#8217;s no hope?</p>
<p>That kinda includes you in the &#8220;susceptible to manipulation and exploitation&#8221; group, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Mind you, not everyone who leaves are the forces that can help change society. And not everyone who stays is a lame duck defeatist like you.</p>
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		<title>By: PSI</title>
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		<dc:creator>PSI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I commented over at mlq3&#039;s, it kind of a vicious circle over decades of Philippine history: 

The kind of governance by leaders in power create odious political,socio-economic conditions. This situation forces those who could help change society leave the country. This makes those left behind more susceptible to manipulation and exploitation. Which make the next kind of leaders worse. etc.

Kind of back to square one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I commented over at mlq3&#8242;s, it kind of a vicious circle over decades of Philippine history: </p>
<p>The kind of governance by leaders in power create odious political,socio-economic conditions. This situation forces those who could help change society leave the country. This makes those left behind more susceptible to manipulation and exploitation. Which make the next kind of leaders worse. etc.</p>
<p>Kind of back to square one.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, but just to clarify, when i was writing about the &lt;i&gt;elitist mindset&lt;/i&gt;, i had your kind of thinking specifically in mind. So using the word &#039;them&#039; with reference to my blog post is not accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, but just to clarify, when i was writing about the <i>elitist mindset</i>, i had your kind of thinking specifically in mind. So using the word &#8216;them&#8217; with reference to my blog post is not accurate.</p>
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