The feuding Pangandamans and Dela Pazes are still on Page One.
The accused father and son golfing buddies were on nationwide radio and TV today to profess their innocence and claiming self defense with the ‘honorable’ 27-year-old mayor of a little known town in Lanao accusing a junior golfer 13 years his junior of having wielded an angry fist first as the young man’s 56-year-ild father peppered him with invectives and the man’s daughter poking him with an umbrella.
Not content, one of the Dela Pazes also allegedly whipped Nasser Pangandaman Jr with steel golf club that fractured his left hand’s little finger.
Well ahead of the Pangandamans’ belated ‘story of grief’ the Dela Pazes had come out with their version of how Mr. Delfin Dela Paz and his son were mauled last Friday in Antipolo’s Valley Golf and Country Club.
So in a society where hunger is deepening and corruption is in the upper reaches of government we are now treated to a show of the comportment of those of power and pelf when quarreling over golf etiquette.
The courts will eventually decide who’s telling the truth in this damnable Yuletide episode.
How about the rest of society which has been needlessly scandalized?
What of the sitting president and how a member of her official family has managed to further erode whatever is left of presumed public esteem of her administration?
Popularity: 5% [?]
Leytenian,
Just in case anyone might misinterpret anything; I said “Blog article against …”
Yes we should keep this issue alive.
Because, if we are not careful, another issue will come up next month that will make us forget about dear Bambee.
Why dont we make a Bambee Forever Fan Club?
Lets talk about it at Starbucks :)
Leytanian,
I designed a Bambee T-Shirt to “keep this issue alive”. All proceeds will go to the Bambee Forever Fan Club.
Check it out:
http://www.customink.com/lab/?E=conyo_1977@yahoo.com&F=savebambee
Lurker_lang
mayabang ka ha….hindi mo ba ako nakikilala? kilalanin mo ang kakalabanin mo ha? mag.ingat ka…d mo ako kilala? ha?….politiko ako…secretary ng DAR at mayor ang anak ko…taga lanao kami…bwihihihihi
yan ang matunog na linya ngayon…yan ang peborit linya ng pangandaman pamily bwihihihihihihi
pulis na pogi…just shut up! you are so arrogant. The justice and political system in the Philippines are hopeless. Especially if there are people like you!
Janna,
If you have given up hope in the justice and political system, I am open to suggestions.
How about Trial by Bloggers? Let us have The Fate of the Evil Mayor decided by the most blog posts?
O di siyempre masaya tayo diyan. Eh kung ganun lang kadali, matagal nang guilty si GMA at Presidente natin si bakla.
See you at Starbucks :)
before anything else wag kau mag coment ng kung ano ano masamang bagay kac una hndi nyo alam ang nangyari. kamag anak ko ang mga pangandaman hndi sila ang nanguna imagine nag gogolf cla tapos my set game di ba then after sila ang naka next tapos akala nung de la paz family eh sinisingitan sila kahit hndi naman then nagalit itong si mr. de la paz at pinag sisigawan c mayor syempre dahil hndi nya un papansinin pero hndi pa nakuntento pinag mumura pa si mayor eh kung kau kea pag mumurahin sa harap ng maraming tao na wla naman ginagawang masama? at ang mahirap pa dun di pa sya nakuntento hinampas pa nya si mayor xempre as a person pag hinampas ka ano gagawin mo? iiyak? kea wlang my kasalanan dOn sana hndi nlng nya pinag mumura at hinampas pa.. kung kau kau kea pag mumurahin at sigawan sa harap ng ibang tao at hampasin? kalokohan na kung hndi nyo ipag tatanggol sarili nyo? right? ang gusto q lng ipabatid eh “wlang mananakit kung wlang nanakit” and hndi sila ang nanguna..
mababait na tao ang mga Pangandaman Family..
kea sna wag kau agad mag husga kac hndi nyo naman alam ang tunay na nanyari… kung hnd naman sila sinaktan eh di rin naman cla mag rereact db?
malalaman yan pag nag imbestiga na..
“WALANG MANANAKIT KUNG WLANG NANAKIT”
thEy just dEfend their self for such an arrogant act of dE la paz Family
in the gOlf Course.
or if you all want go to the Valley Golf Course Club for more and true
information.
Di reliable ang post mo dahil biased ang content at wala ka rin naman sa pinangyarihan. Kung acceptable “ang Pangandaman ako, mabait kami, Di sila nanakit” from you then “ibig sabihin acceptable din ang statement na “hindi mayayabang ang dela paz, di kamki ang nanguna, mababait tong mga tao na to” from another dela paz who also isn’t in the crime scene.
As for Valley Golf, wala naman sila magagawa. Wala naman influence ang Dela Paz sa Politics; Kung meron man di dapat lumitaw din sa tv regarding this case
Ang Pangandaman kilala sa Politika
So hindi imposible na kinausap na sila ng mga Pangandaman.
So useless to ask people in the scene; Pati nga security cam conveniently sira nung oras na yun.
Also, useless na ba ang body guard this days? Nagawang saktan ng tatlo tao civilian si Pangandaman at wala nagawa bodyguards???? WeeeeEEE
^To others, Di ibig sabihin na si Pangandaman ay Muslim, lahat na ng Muslim ay katulad niya.
Kung sino man ang nanguna, illegal pa rin na bugbugin mo ang 14 years old; Mas lalo na at Public Officer pa ang gumawa; Magandang halimbawa ng Pilipino.
This is abuse of power plain and simple.
The facts are simple:
A 56 year old man.
A 14 year old boy
An 18 year old girl
arrayed against
Two Mindanao mayors,
A Cabinet Secretary
Numerous armed bodyguards.
Hard to believe a precocious 18 year old girl would start a fight by hitting the second group with an umbrella.
If valley golf whitewashes this case, the shareholders should boycott.
“How about Trial by Bloggers? Let us have The Fate of the Evil Mayor decided by the most blog posts?
O di siyempre masaya tayo diyan. Eh kung ganun lang kadali, matagal nang guilty si GMA at Presidente natin si bakla.”
Okay ako diyan sigurado death penalty si GMA at mga pangandaman kapag nagbotohan dito sa blog…. Ano ang capacity ng isang ama, isang teenager na lalaki at babae laban sa mga pangandaman’s na may mga bodyguards pa?
janna,
is that all you have?
you are so arrogant. The justice and political system in the Philippines are hopeless. Especially if there are people like you!
this applies to you as well so you better shut up as well! ;)
markk,
oo nga, never buy shares in valley golf ha? ;)
Nag-guest si Sec. Pangandaman sa Para Sa’Yo Bayan ni Noli de Castro sa DZMM Teleradyo at ayon kay Kabayan ay nadinig niya na daw ang mga Dela Paz sa pamamagitan ng pagbabasa ng blogs, pero si Pangandaman ay live na ini-interbyu…..Fair kaya yan Kabayan, ano sa palagay mo? Mukhang hindi ako mapalagay sa sinabi mo…..at balak mo maging Presidente ng Pilipinas? Gising Pilipinas!!!!
leytenian,
“I will not rely in our police force or the Justice System. Neither has been able to establish good reputation and integrity as its foundation.”
Is this the value discussion you are talking about..Oh puleez..
“The Middle Class may be a minority in number but the publicity will reach the very poor. The middle class can bridge that gap.”
And ito pa? Value discussion daw o..
O baka naman clueless ka na naman? The poor don’t have time to read blogs…Even you, recognized there was a gap, so after bridging the gap in defense of the dela paz whats next? Eh di retreat ulit hahahaha.
Kita nalang kayo ni conyo sa starbucks :harhar:
Mr.J.N.P…
kamag anak nga kayo ng mga Pangandaman
mga bakakon!
kagamay sa syudad sa mayor pero kung mulihok lupig pa ang presidente sa pilipinas. siempre para sa imoha buotan kay parente man ni mo. siempre…depensa gyud ka kay basig ikaw ang ilang initan. dako ko ug Lanao ug kabalo ko kung unsa na kamaro ang pamilya Pangandaman..mao walay asenso ang Lanao…tungod sa mga inganing klaseng tao ang magmayor…gubot kaayo kay mga warfreak..bisag mga kadugo magpinatyanay..
Tanslation:
kamag-anak nga kayo ng PAngandaman..MGA SINUNGALING! ang liit2x ng lungsod na sinasakupan ng mayor PAngandaman na yan pero kung kumilos talo pa ang Presidente ng Pilipinas. depensahan mo talaga baka ikaw ang sunod mabugbug. Laki ako ng Lanao at alam ko kung ano ang ugali ng mga PAngandaman at gaano sila ka corrupt..kaya walang asenso ang Lanao dahil sa mga politikong tulad nila…mga war freak..kahit magkadugo magpatayan..They cannot live without Guns, Goons and Gold.
Pulis na pogi…
Bading ka ba? kasi pati mga babae pinapatulan mo…Aminin????!!!
justice league,
Lurker Lang,
“The issue I was pointing is that one idea is within the legal system while the other I believe is outside of it.
Based on your posts, you were advocating the De la Pazs to take their case before the court of law. Where did you take “Oakwood”?”
Yes I am advocating fair trial and trial by first instace. And here in my post did I advocate “oakwood”? You ask a question and I answered, then you nitpick and divert the issue to focus on me. How pathetic.
“I believe EDSA 1 though successful was considered ExtraConstitutional. If “Oakwood” was like EDSA 1, it would still be outside the law even if successful.”
Huh?
“I’m trying to answer your issues point for point as best I can. And your comments just then are typical of someone who can’t defend yours.”
And when did this discussion turn out to be about me? Am I on trial that I need to defend myself?
Kita nalang kayo ni conyo sa starbucks..
conyo,
hey you..t-shirts, that’s a good awareness that will reach the many poor.
maybe it’s time for us to get together and form a non profit org to help victims of human rights. proceeds will be to pay for lawyers. this requires collective effort from the many OFW or middle class , journalists and bloggers.
blogging is useless unless we can do something about it with some ACTION.
Conyo, your idea is brilliant. it can be a t-shirt line for human rights, children’s rights , rule of law or even women’s rights.
this is not just about bambee , this is about us filipinos. It’s time.
Juwan_D,
Hindi mo ba ako kilala ha??? Member ka ba dito??
Hambalusin kaya kita ng payong!!…Pero please wag mo ako isumbong sa mob lynch ng blogosphere ha..hehehehe.. deal or no deal?
correction on my reply to justice league..
“not trial by fist instance..
haha, now the official report was out. while the de la paz defenders would like to think that it helps them, take a look at the 5th, 6th and 7th sentences:
“but atbased on the statement of vgcci starter marshall (mr elmer saguisa)at that time he talk already both parties, but suddenly he was not expected that argument was not settled.”
now where did this detail first appear in the blogsphere?
answer: from the 5th and 7th paragraphs of the post of a certain brianna asal that was first posted on december 29, 2008 or three days after the incident, and i cut and paste: hahahahahaha!
paragraph 5, lines 5 and 6: “Nasser Jr. reiterated to the marshall what he explained to the elder dela Paz, which his knowledge the former already accepted his explanation.”
paragraph 7, line 3: “Akala ko po, Sir, nagkaintindihan na ho tayo kanina”.
hahahaha. credit to the blog of manuel quezon iii http://www.quezon.ph/2104/impunity-2/. i cur and paste from there.
what can bambee say now? why is this detail not in her blog? it is becoming clear now. before the fisticuffs, the pangandamans already thought that the overtaking issue was already settled! ask that marshall mr elmer saguisa!
hahahahahaha
The Pangandamans confuse their being royalties in their little “kingdom” with their being public servants of the Republic of the Philippines, and could not distinguish when to wield appropriate power in apt situations.
And in that case, the President should immediately come to the rescue of her Cabinet official and his mayor son, all together. She should fire her Agrarian Reform Secretary and banish him to his little “kingdom” in Lanao del Sur. This way, the Pangandamans would not be confused anymore, and the notion that every Filipino should know who they are, would be vanished from their minds.
“Hindi nila kami kilala!” My a_s!
Tanong ko lang kay
Mr Pangandaman Sr…Bat ngayon ka lang nagsalita? Nag-iisip ka pa siguro ng palusot. Ano??? ipalagay na lang natin na si Mr de la PAz ang nauna bakit pinatulan pa ang 14 years old? Dapat kasuhan child abuse!!! mga leader pa naman sana sila Secreatry. PAngandaman SR. and Mayor Pangandaman Jr…they should be a good example to young people…
now, the official security incident report is now out! find it at http://midfield.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/valley-golf-guards-report-pangandaman-security-men-drew-guns-on-dela-pazes/
and guess what: take a look at lines 5, 6, and 7 and let me quote (with all the typo errors):
“but based to the statement of VGCCI marshall/ starter (mr elmer saguisa) at that time he talk already both parties but sudenly he was not expected that argument was not settled.”
aray! now, where did this detail first appear in the blogsphere?
answer: from the post of brianna asal above, posted on the 29th of december or 3 days after the incident and i cut and paste:
paragraph 3, lines 7 and 8: With the said explanation, del Paz replied “Okey, kortesiya lang.”
paragraph 6, lines 5 to 7: “Nasser Jr. reiterated to the marshall what he explained to the elder dela Paz, which his knowledge the former already accepted his explanation.”
paragraph 8, lines 3 and 4: ” “Akala ko po, Sir, nagkaintindihan na ho tayo kanina”.
another answer: from the post of p that only appeared yesterday, or 1 week after the incident: and i cut and paste again:
paragraph 6, line 14 and 15: Thinking that things had been cleared up, Mr. dela Paz said, “Okay, kortesiya lang” (”Okay, just seeking courtesy“) .
paragraph 8, line 8 to 12: During their break, the marshal approached Nasser Jr, stating that the dela Paz’s were complaining that there were five of them in their group and why they overtook the dela Paz flight. Nasser Jr. reiterated to the marshal what he had already explained to the elder del Paz, to which his knowledge the former had already accepted his explanation.
aray again. now why are these very telling details not in bambee’s blog? it is now clear as daylight that before the fisticuffs started, even the mashalls thought that the overtaking issue was already settled! ask mashall mr elmer saguisa!
aray! aray! aray!
ps:
and thanks to manuel quezon iii for marking my posts as spam and deleting them even before it is moderated. now, your pseudo-personality (leytenian) is commenting on my posts even if i cannot find it in the enties above! hahaha
Mayor Pangandaman…Kung malinis kang tao at wala kang atraso..di mo na kailangan ng bodyguard… …sarap mo naman pagolf golf ka lang may kasama pang bodyguard…TAXPAYER’S MONEY BA YAN?? samantalang ang daming tao sa Pilipinas naghihirap…Lalo na sa Mindanao!!! panay golf ang inaatupag!
marawi boy,
naunsa ka man bay? nganong karon ka lang? basa sad arong makag post ug maayo ha?
naa nay official report bay!
ug unsa man kung bading ko? it takes one to know one? aminin? hihihihi
pulis,
you are still not getting it. here’s a link about farmers wanting to oust DAR chief. it’s not just about bambee.
http://barangayrp.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/farmers-go-online-to-oust-dar-chief/
“The DAR has never supported the farmers in their struggle. All the time that he [Pangandaman] has been there, the department has never produced good results for the farmers,” Olaes said, adding that more farmers have indicated their desire to sign the online petition.”
uy bayot diay ka pulis :) hahaha
manuela/leytenia,
teka nga. how did this issue involved the farmers? hahaha
and please, let us just limit comments to the topic of this post. now, what is your take on the official security incident report?
and by the way, why mark my posts as spam in your blog? can’t stand somebody questioning your points of view?
still want that government run like hell by the filipinos? now your lolo got your wish!
but 25% of these filipinos want to get out of hell! uh uh…
ako bayot? you know, it is bad manners to butt in somebody’s conversation! hahaha ;P
For the enlightenment of non-golfers, the basic courtesy when you want/intend to overtake or go ahead of a flight (of golfers) is to PERSONALLY approach that flight and ask permission or explain at the very least, why you are going ahead of them. It cannot be relegated to the caddies or the marshall. That is why it is a gentleman’s game. This the good mayor did not do. He had to be confronted by de la Paz (who without the proper information was by now feeling aggrieved) on the 4th hole and that is the only time the good mayor presented his side. All this could have been avoided by observing simple courtesies. Why it was not done, maybe carelessness, or arrogance, or lack of breeding? I don’t know.
Insinuations are being made that the de la Pazes also have a history of arrogance at Valley Golf. Maybe so, but has anyone inquired or researched into the history of this 27 year old mayor? From other blogs, his former college classmates and townmates attest to his bad boy reputation of terrorizing people and womanizing. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Regardless of who started what and who provoked the incident, he beat up a 14 year old boy, a minor. And under the Child Abuse Protection and Welfare law, the state must file a case against the mayor. The presumption is an adult cannot lay a hand on a minor, no matter what the provocation. It is child abuse, plain and simple. All the justifications can be brought up or fabricated. But that fact stays. Child abuse was committed.
Lurker Lang,
“How pathetic.”
Very appropriate for YOUR attempt to spin.
“Yes I am advocating fair trial and not trial by fist instace. And here in my post did I advocate “oakwood”?”
Your answer on “oakwood” came about as your OWN reply to how you conduct this “lumaban in our own way”.
If you look closely on my previous post to you; I used the plural form of post which is POSTS.
You should have taken that to mean that I was referring to different sets of YOUR POSTS.
So still there is no explanation how advocating the De la Pazs to take their case before the court of law while doing something like “oakwood” are in consonance with each other.
One is inside the legal system while the other is outside of it.
“You ask a question and I answered, then you nitpick and divert the issue to focus on me.How pathetic.”
My first post here; I asked if you watched that news report.
My second post; I asked how this “lumaban in our own way” is conducted.
Maybe you’d like to re-read YOUR FIRST REPLY to me on January 2 7:31pm.
In your reply there you stated;
“nor like you who spew words but lacking in action in any form. been reading your post more than 2 years now from mlq3’s blog. you love arguing for the sake of argument.
if you don’t mind my asking… is your actions as strong as your mouth?”
AND NOW YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF DIVERTING THE ISSUE TO FOCUS ON YOU?
“Huh?”
It’s in a Supreme Court decision that EDSA 1 is ExtraConstitutional. So like I stated, If “Oakwood” was like EDSA 1, even if if “Oakwood” was succesful; it would still be outside the law.
Btw, is the voice of “Oakwood” the voice of all Filipinos?
“And when did this discussion turn out to be about me? Am I on trial that I need to defend myself?”
I don’t hate to burst your bubble but this is hardly about you.
What you need to defend are your issues/comments.
Btw, would you care to go back to your first reply to me and see if you didn’t try to put me on trial with allegations that I lack action in any form and that I love arguing for the sake of argument?
“In the first place, bakit may nakapasok na taga-bundok sa Valley Golf. Sa Lanao nalang sana siya nag golf at hindi na sa Antipolo. Feeling very powerful kasi siya dahil “Mayor” daw siya. Eh kung dadalhin naman niya ang ugaling outlaw niya sa manila, uwi nalang siya kung saan siya nababagay.”
I really don’t know if these people are educated or maybe they lack a certain chromosome in their genes that makes them abnormal.
Pwede ka na rin pala magyabang kung mayor ka ng isang lugar na di mo akalain meron pala nun?
Suntukin mo ba naman ang bata (14 yrs. old). Even until now you haven’t grown up? Nam bubuli ka pa rin? Wow!! THE MOST EXTREME!!
Mayor please do your job to improve your home town and yourself. Because whatever you do (especially of what you did at Valley Golf), reflects on what type of personality you and your people are. Kasi you represent them.
It shows that you and home town called Lanao is suffering from an arrested developement.
interesting comments.
ayon kay DAR SEC Pangandaman..wala daw bugbugan…eh ano ang nangyari sa tenga 14 years old? kinagat ng aso? com’on mr secretary…tell the truth..huwag mo ng pagtakpan ang anak mo. YOU DON’T DESERVE TO BE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL! Konsitidor ka sa mga anak mo… There are lot of people asking for you to resign…I hope this case will will prosper…and I hope the DOJ Secretary will side to the truth…baka mainfluence na naman siya nga mga may pera…tulad na lang ng kaso ng ALABANG BOYS at kay TEEHANKEE…Basta may pera ka lusot ka sa kaso…DOJ- Deparment of Jinx
hahaha, many posters are now posting comments, conveniently overlooking the fact that and official incident report made by the security agency in valley golf had already leaked out to the media.
i bet the next argument that these people will say is that the pangandamans had already manipulated the agency and valley golf to make the reports favor them!
pulis na pogi…magaling ka magbj noh? bj nga dyan!
beauty, ano address at cell number mo? hehehe. read my next post ha?
here is the ultimate aray for the de la pazes:
this is the post of a certain rge in pinoygolfer.com forum. he is a member since april 2007 with 595 posts to date (he is a pioneer member i supposed, as the forum started only in end of march 2007) he placed his address as valley golf, orchard, eagle ridge so i suppoed he is personally known to many others in the philippine golfing community and is a “somebody” given his access to information sources. his preliminary statement said it all.
http://www.pinoygolfer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5801&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=pangandaman&start=180
I just spent some time with the head of the fact-finding committee. He has submitted all pertinent facts to the board and leaves it to them to make the necessary decision based on all the facts. I will outline the facts to you as it was outlined to me. Rest assured that the facts were obtained from all parties involved and all witnesses at each incident site. The statements were obtained both by the valley fact-finding group and by the NBI as well. Testimonies were recorded, verified, and re-verified. Fortunately for the parties involved, there were always witnesses to give supporting statements on the events as they occurred.
i now wonder what is take of the de la pazes and their apologists on this?
for those who care to read, here is rge’s post (mabuhay si bill gates for the cut and paste technology!)
I just spent some time with the head of the fact-finding committee. He has submitted all pertinent facts to the board and leaves it to them to make the necessary decision based on all the facts. I will outline the facts to you as it was outlined to me. Rest assured that the facts were obtained from all parties involved and all witnesses at each incident site. The statements were obtained both by the valley fact-finding group and by the NBI as well. Testimonies were recorded, verified, and re-verified. Fortunately for the parties involved, there were always witnesses to give supporting statements on the events as they occurred.
I will compose the outline shortly as it will be lengthy but just to whet your appetite or get you thinking, you will be quite surprised with the findings. Let’s put it this way, the people we thought of as villains weren’t quite what they were depicted to be. and the supposed protagonists may have yet been quite as factual in their testimony as it turns out to be. Even our 14-year old isn’t as innocent and “prayerful” when all the details come out. just give me a few minutes….
In the interest of making sure that no facts might be left undisclosed, I will take it upon myself to start from the very beginning. Firstly let us start by saying that on or at about 12:40 p.m., the party of the Pangandaman’s registered at the starter’s area. They registered for 2 flights comprised of 4 individuals per flight. Unfortunately, they still had 2 members of their group that had not yet arrived, so they initially tee’d off as 2 successive threesomes. The starter and marshall were informed that the 2 individuals that had not yet arrived would just catch up with them in the fairway. On or at about 1:05 p.m. the Dela Paz group registered initially as a twosome but since this isn’t normally allowed, they registered as a 3-some even if the elder Mr. Dela Paz was not really going to play.
When the Dela Paz 3-some was playing on hole number 3, they were passed by 2 golf carts containing Mayor Pangandaman and his companion (in one cart) and the caddies being brought by one of the starter personnell. The Pangandaman’s did not ask permission to drive through because they did not want to disturb the Dela Paz’s who were in the middle of the fairway. Upon reaching the green of the 3rd hole, Mr. Dela Paz asked the caddie why the people in the cart just went through. Mayor Pangandaman who was already positioned at the 4th hole, personally informed Mr. Dela Paz that they were part of 2 foursomes. At this point, Mr. Dela Paz said “ah okay, courtesy lang naman”. This was verified by the caddies. Mr. Pangandaman said that he did not disturb them anymore because the player was about to hit. At this point, Mayor Pangandaman thought everything was okay so he proceeded to the 4th hole (Par 3) where his other flightmates were. In the records it says that Mr. Pangandaman was not yet even done pitching into the green when a ball landed near his 8-year old child so they immediately made sure the child was secured in the cart. ( For those unaware of the common practice at Valley Golf, on every par 3, the group behind you is signaled to hit into the green once everyone from your group is already on the green) Until you have been cleared to hit by the group ahead, you should not hit into the green. It is common sense and basic precautionary procedure.
In this particular case, we have no corroborative testimony. One set of caddies say they were given clearance, while the other say that no clearance was given as of yet when the ball/s had landed.
The Pangandaman’s claim that the same situation happened in the 5th hole (Par5). Even the caddied confirmed this. At this time, Bambee Dela Paz had called the Marshall to tell him that the flight behind them was complaining about why their pace was slow and that the cause of the delay was the 5-some in front of them. Shortly thereafter, a marshall on his motorcycle appeared and approached the Pangandaman’s and asked if they were playing as a fivesome to which the Mayor said no. “We are 2 foursomes”. Nonetheless, the Pangandaman’s had already agreed among themselves that they would rather the Dela Paz’s play through. The Mayor was even quoted saying to his Father. ” magagaling yung mga bata at malakas pumalo, baka mabagalan sa atin” They informed the marshall that they would just let the Dela Paz group play through and the marshall informed the Mr. Dela Paz of this. ( Just as an aside, the investigative group actually asked the group behind Dela paz if indeed they had complained about the slow down and the group said that the y said no such thing to the Dela paz flight. They were not even in contact at anytime before they arrived at the tee house to see the fight and eventually help stop it) When the Delapaz group reached the green of hole 5, the caddies of the 2 kids gave them their drivers so that they would waste no time playing through. The Mayor, who at that time was sitting along with their companions, stood up to personally tell Mr. Dela Paz to play through. Caddies, and the tee house server claim that the Mayor told Dela Paz na “Mauna na ho kayo” and walked to approach Dela Paz, The response of Dela Paz was “Huwag mo akong pagtaasan ng boses” Dela Paz began to question the Mayor why they were playing as a fivesome. The Mayor said that this was not the case but Dela Paz was insisting and even said (again corroborated by the caddies) “Linoloko mo ba ako?” “Member ka ba dito, Kilala mo ba ako?” (as you can see, this question did not come from Pangandaman. In fact, in the recorded testimony, this is exactly what Pangandaman claimed delapaz had said to him and yet in Delapaz’ recorded statement, he never said that the mayor asked him ” kilala mo ba ako” Completely different from when the media was already involved.
When Delapaz was posing the above question, the mayor was heard to say. “Sandali lang, hindi naman tayo nagaaway dito. Akala ko ba naayos na natin yung issue kanina sa hole 3? At about this point Delapaz closed his umbrella and then poked the mayor on his stomach using the pointed end ( some caddies say Dela Paz swung the umbrella and some say that he poked the Mayor) The investigative board asked Dela Paz what he did, he said that he poked the Mayor in self defense. When asked who was attacking him, Dela Paz said that he was being surrounded by 4 men. The caddies and other witnesses on hand said that when the umbrella incident happened, it was only Dela Paz and the mayor that were talking. The other parties were in the tee house about 15-20 yards away. The Mayor says he was poked and so he backed off and just as he was about to be poked again, his brother, Hussein ran and attacked Delapaz and hit Delapaz knocking him to the ground.( At this point the commotion took place. One of the things observed is 14-year old Bino hit the Mayor with his driver. Apparently, the mayor parried with his forearm and hand so this is where he sustaned the injury. In the process also, Hussein was being pulled off the older dela paz by his 2 children but again Bino was seen to hit Hussein in the face and head while Bambee had scratched the other side of Husseins face. At this time also, witnesses say, that 3 or 4 other members of the flight excluding the Secretary, the 8-year old boy, and the girlfriend of Hussein were involved in attacking or subduing the older dela paz but this lasted very shortly and when the combatants had been separated the existing people in the tee house as well as the new flight that was playing behind the dela paz’s.
At this point the Secretary told the delapaz group to leave so as to avoid any more trouble. As the elder delapaz was leaving he was heard calling someone on his cellphone saying ” may away kami, pumunta kayo dito”
No one knew who delapaz was speaking to as he walked away towards the main clubhouse. A few minutes later, the secretary and his group decided to end the day instead of continuing to play. When they got to the clubhouse, Hussein wanted to wash up because he was bleeding in the neck area. As he got near the reception area, he saw delapaz and was heard to have said “O, nandito pa pala kayo” to which Dela Paz said “Hindi pa tapos ito gaganti pa kami”. At this point, Bino got in between his Dad and Hussein while saying ” Tatandaan ka namin” (None of the witnesses in the clubhouse, and there were many, ever saw Bino kneel and say that he was only 14 years old at maawa na sila) On the contrary, Bino was acting like anything but a helpless child. He sounded tough, angry, and antagonistic enough that the fight broke out again. At this point, the bodyguards of the Mayor ran into the clubhouse via the poolside entrance. When questioned about this, the mayor said that one was his driver and the other was his “Yayo”. As far as the board was concerned, the “Yayo” was also a bodyguard. Said Yayo came into the clubhouse with a clutchbag containing a gun and brought out the gun without pointing it at anyone. The Mayor immediately instructed him that there was no need for guns and the gun was put back. During the investigation, the Mayor said that the handgun was his and that his “yayo” was likely going to give it to him but he declined. Upon instructing his “yayo”, the man just stayed in one corner. At this time the wife of Dela Paz and his other son arrived. The son was wielding a baseball bat and the wife had a knife which she pulled out of a scabbard. These two were subdued by security but they were verbally threatening the Pangandaman’s during this time. There was also a reported incident where the driver of the mayor ran out and came back with a suitcase containing a supposed armalite as claimed by valley security. The driver never pulled it out or pointed it at anyone but it was readily accesible
and here is what the site admin of pinoy golfer.com says about the post of rge:
“Great account of the incident, Ray. My compliments. I heard the same details third-hand from my sources. I agree with the others; Mr. de la Paz was foolish to pick a fight with his children present.
The revelation of these facts cast a severe shadow on the Bambee’s blog, don’t they?”
aray, aray, aray!!!
Again I say, all this could been avoided by the simple courtesy of personally informing the flight being overtaken. Did not want to disturb the play? Come on, tell it to the marines. Being a golfer, it is more disturbing to be insulted by not being given the simple courtesies of the game. Imagine if the situation was reversed. How would the good mayor react?
Golfers call penalties on themselves, the only game that does so. Good mayor, call a penalty on yourself. Soon anyway, the state will penalize you for abusing a minor.
“The Pangandaman’s did not ask permission to drive through because they did not want to disturb the Dela Paz’s who were in the middle of the fairway. Upon reaching the green of the 3rd hole, Mr. Dela Paz asked the caddie why the people in the cart just went through. Mayor Pangandaman who was already positioned at the 4th hole, personally informed Mr. Dela Paz that they were part of 2 foursomes.”
Here rests the whole case. No permission was asked. This is the first I have heard that it was because the mayor did not wish to disturb the play. In his initial radio interview, he was claiming he did not have to ask permission because he was pre-registered ahead of the the de la paz flight. Just plain ignorant of common courtesy and rules.
All this he said, she said blah blah, is secondary. Who acted like a boor and in the process, for whatever reason, mauls and abuses a 14 year old minor? I seriously doubt if the terror and injuries of the boy were self-inflicted. But in this just and good country of ours, this just might be the conclusion of whoever is investigating this case.
There is a saying, “You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool ALL of the People, All of the time!”
It would help to hear from the good mayor. From his viewpoint, his honor and integrity has been assaulted and it is only just right that he defend it. Now I ask the question, is he proud of the way he defended his honor, using superior and overwhelming force, without a care if a 14 year old minor is mauled and abused in the process?
hahaha
some people just cannot accept the fact that they were taken for ride by the de la pazes. maybe this post by a certain aberosal (another original member) in pinoy golfers can shed more light:
“Footbolero, rge and I were present when the head of the fact finding committee was describing the testimonies of all parties – including that of dela paz. We were not provided with the official written findings – we were simply told some facts that were pertinent to the incident.
my memory isn’t as good as rge but the “discussion” points were as follows:
1) Based on witnesses’ accounts, Dela paz clearly started the fight. In his own words – “hinampas ko yung payong.” Others used words by Pagdamanan, caddies, were “poked” “tusok” etc. Dela paz used the word “hinampas” – and its on tape.
2) On the 6th tee, during the “fight” Bino swung his driver at the mayor. There was medical evidence provided to the committee of a fracture to his hand. If a 5’6, 140lbs person swung a driver at me, I am pretty sure I will not be asking his age before I strike back (assuming I survive of course) – and strike back I will with intent to make sure he doesn’t swing that driver again.
3) Dela Paz didn’t give Valley employees and security staff a chance to stop the incident from escalating. Per witness accounts, the dela paz family kept provoking and making threats na “gaganti sila”.
Jovi, if you want to get the whole story – come to valley golf club and make your own investigation and interview the witnesses. RGE is making kuwento and is not a member of the fact finding committee. Majority of the members/employees at Valley know what happened and very few if any are on the dela paz camp.
You are basing your facts too much on a blog and not on actual witness accounts.
Again, why did this occur in the first place? Because someone thought it beneath him to personally ask or inform the flight ahead.
pulis na pogi
exactly!the blog posted by the dela paz twit is somewhat a defensive move because they wanted to gain sympathy from the public.well in fact,they had fabricated the story.it just so happen that pangandamans are political figures thats why people are having this theory that they are using their power in the wrong way.im really irritated hearing those statements from the oldie dela paz.basing from his interviews on t.v,hs really arrogant and boastful.boooo!!
chris,
and add the fact that now, prominent people from the golfing community (including other mebers of valley golf) are speaking out. are they all biased for the mindanaon pangandamans and not towards one of their own (and a member of valley golf at that) who is the father of two very prominent chanpions?
can’t the de la paz apologists find the irony of it all eh?
i really love to hear the side of those who condemned the pangandamans to hell.
Is the jury in yet?
mando,
you are wrong. these all started because someone thought it beneath him to accept the mediation done by the marshall.
had you not read? even the marshall (mr elmer saguisa) thought that it was over in hole number 5 after he talked to both parties! the official report says: “based to the statement of VGCCI marshall/ starter (mr elmer saguisa) at that time he talk already both parties but sudenly he was not expected that argument was not settled.”
it may be in broken english but the message is clear: even the marshall thought that the initial confrontation about the overtaking issue had been settled already–after talking to BOTH parties!
now you said before that you are a golfer. then you must know that the marshall is the police, fiscal, and lower court in the fairways rolled into one. the can caution you (police), hear your side (fiscal), and may ask you to leave (judge). if the de la pazes do not recognize his authority, or are unhappy with his decision, they could have contested the actions of this marshall to the valley golf management, very much like you go to the CA if you are not satisfied with the judgement of the RTC.
but heck no, they went to the pangandamans directly and confronted them AGAIN, never mind the fact that the marshall had already resolved the issue! (or so the marshall thought!). hell, you don’t go to your opponent across the courtroom and blow him away if you are unhappy with the judge’s decision. there is one very apt term in the courts if you do that: “CONTEMPT OF COURT.” here, the de la pazes showed utter contempt of the fairway authority which is the marshall.
they were really looking for trouble and when they found it and had their ass kicked, they went to the media and to the blogs, crying out loud how they were “trampled upon” by a powerful and heavily armed warlord!
Just spreading views which I think should matter also. I read this from another website.
-These days one can be a blogger, jury, and executioner. Recently an incident occurred in a golf club somewhere in Antipolo wherein two families figured in an altercation, the family of DAR secretary Nasser Pangandaman Sr. and that of businessman Delfin dela Paz of Pampanga. A member of the dela Paz family blogged the incident on the web and soon the story caught fire in the Filipino blogosphere. Bambee dela Paz cried injustice against her family. There’s no problem with that. The issue is that in her demand for justice, injustices are being heaped on the other party, the Pangandamans. Everyone knows that there’s a b-side to every story (to quote Eli Buendia), yet people seem to have already judged that all the blame falls squarely on the Pangandamans without hearing from their side. Bambee wrote very convincingly on her blog that readers deemed it that her account should be above scrutiny. Did she include every detail of the incident, such as that her father allegedly first said “p_____i__mo!” to Nasser Jr., and the bat and the icepick weilded by other dela Pazes? (By the way, consider yourself lucky if no harm befalls you when you say such things about a Muslim’s mother). Everyone’s calling for the Pangandamans’ heads to roll. In her blog posters hurled abuse, threats, and expletives ( and insulted the women folk of the Pangandamans) with impunity against the other side, followed by a blanket “Thank you” from the blog owner, as if to approve of the posters’ vile invectives. What a blatant display of bullyism that they claim to condemn! One of the posters even threatened to send the Ilagas – the Muslim-killing savages- to go after the Pangandaman clan, no doubt because they are Muslims. What a warped sense of justice! Where is the due process? There has yet to be an adjudication of this matter in a court of law, until then both sides have the right to be heard and explain their side. People quickly accuse the Pangandamans of excesses sans full and impartial investigation of the incident- baka nga dahil Muslim sila, at taga Mindanao- betraying their own prejudice and lack of justice- of which they are violently clamoring for.
ding,
i am not sure if they will still be back! ;)