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		<title>By: ellumbra</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-35750</link>
		<dc:creator>ellumbra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ king - with respect to your own views, quantum science, without in any way demeaning the miraculous nature of existence will point to &quot;God&quot; as not being in any way moralistic - and certainly not as a didactic concept.
Those are purely limitiations superimposed by the constructs of the human mind.
There are as many versions of &quot;God&quot; as there are imaginations on this planet - even atheists in some way define and allude to what it is they do not believe.

The doctrinal teachings of religion contain distilations of mankind&#039;s general moral attitudes with regard to sustaining a beneficent civilisation, but the lumbering mechanics of any institution is blunt and unwieldly in many respects compared to the enlightenment of a free thinking individual - using all his innate wit and perception - unhindered by the authoritative precepts of any organised religion.
Sometimes those attitudes, born of man, have been adopted by religions as a mask of law - from behind which they wield the authority of fear.

&quot;Good&quot; &amp; &quot;sinful&quot; - by definition must be understood in their broadest, most universal definitions - as pertaining to the future of civilisation, the future of life -  not in association with perceptions of pleasure that have automatically inherited distortional &quot;hauntings of guilt&quot; - as encouraged by many religious institutions.

Pleasure is a principal of life - it is there to ensure that life, in it&#039;s most primitive form, survives - propagates - continues.
With survival comes evolution - evolution is not confined to physicality - our consciousness evolves - our minds broaden. Gradually it is expected that the laws we make reflect an evolutionary trend towards a more beneficent civilisation.

The biological function of sex is therefore inseparable from the pleasure. So who are we to determine that psychological and emotional aspects of that pleasure - as perceived by us humans - should outwiegh the biological - let alone imbue that opinion with a so-called &quot;divine authority&quot; that is purely derived from a limited human perspective?

Eating is pleasurable.
The pleasure is intrinsic to the act.
Is it immoral to eat between meals?
As human beings we have learned to express our sociability through eating, as we have learned to express our higher ideals of love - through the intimacy of sex.
Only the severely hungry and impoverished will steal food.
Surely the same applies to sex?
Making the sexual act more beneficent to civilisation by restricting population growth is a choice we should all be free to make - it will not automatically engender a race of rapists.


Believe it or not - we have free-will.
Denying people their innate right to excercise their free-will, develop their own enlightened opinions, free from authorative moralistic threat or encumberance is of far more consequence
than attempts at clawing back an oppresive and often abused power - by semantic manipulation.

Please liberate those people, and yourself, from the clutches of an imagined guilt - let them use all their human talents for judgement, perception.
Educate - yes - to the true and absolute unconditionality of &quot;God&#039;s&quot; love.
No favours granted - saint and sinner alike - believer and disbeliever - we all are enclosed by the same rules of the universe - no escape.
We must learn to use those rules to our advantage.

Offer guidance - yes - but never force.
Is there no place for liberated thought in the church?
Surely, that is a blasphemy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ king &#8211; with respect to your own views, quantum science, without in any way demeaning the miraculous nature of existence will point to &#8220;God&#8221; as not being in any way moralistic &#8211; and certainly not as a didactic concept.<br />
Those are purely limitiations superimposed by the constructs of the human mind.<br />
There are as many versions of &#8220;God&#8221; as there are imaginations on this planet &#8211; even atheists in some way define and allude to what it is they do not believe.</p>
<p>The doctrinal teachings of religion contain distilations of mankind&#8217;s general moral attitudes with regard to sustaining a beneficent civilisation, but the lumbering mechanics of any institution is blunt and unwieldly in many respects compared to the enlightenment of a free thinking individual &#8211; using all his innate wit and perception &#8211; unhindered by the authoritative precepts of any organised religion.<br />
Sometimes those attitudes, born of man, have been adopted by religions as a mask of law &#8211; from behind which they wield the authority of fear.</p>
<p>&#8220;Good&#8221; &amp; &#8220;sinful&#8221; &#8211; by definition must be understood in their broadest, most universal definitions &#8211; as pertaining to the future of civilisation, the future of life &#8211;  not in association with perceptions of pleasure that have automatically inherited distortional &#8220;hauntings of guilt&#8221; &#8211; as encouraged by many religious institutions.</p>
<p>Pleasure is a principal of life &#8211; it is there to ensure that life, in it&#8217;s most primitive form, survives &#8211; propagates &#8211; continues.<br />
With survival comes evolution &#8211; evolution is not confined to physicality &#8211; our consciousness evolves &#8211; our minds broaden. Gradually it is expected that the laws we make reflect an evolutionary trend towards a more beneficent civilisation.</p>
<p>The biological function of sex is therefore inseparable from the pleasure. So who are we to determine that psychological and emotional aspects of that pleasure &#8211; as perceived by us humans &#8211; should outwiegh the biological &#8211; let alone imbue that opinion with a so-called &#8220;divine authority&#8221; that is purely derived from a limited human perspective?</p>
<p>Eating is pleasurable.<br />
The pleasure is intrinsic to the act.<br />
Is it immoral to eat between meals?<br />
As human beings we have learned to express our sociability through eating, as we have learned to express our higher ideals of love &#8211; through the intimacy of sex.<br />
Only the severely hungry and impoverished will steal food.<br />
Surely the same applies to sex?<br />
Making the sexual act more beneficent to civilisation by restricting population growth is a choice we should all be free to make &#8211; it will not automatically engender a race of rapists.</p>
<p>Believe it or not &#8211; we have free-will.<br />
Denying people their innate right to excercise their free-will, develop their own enlightened opinions, free from authorative moralistic threat or encumberance is of far more consequence<br />
than attempts at clawing back an oppresive and often abused power &#8211; by semantic manipulation.</p>
<p>Please liberate those people, and yourself, from the clutches of an imagined guilt &#8211; let them use all their human talents for judgement, perception.<br />
Educate &#8211; yes &#8211; to the true and absolute unconditionality of &#8220;God&#8217;s&#8221; love.<br />
No favours granted &#8211; saint and sinner alike &#8211; believer and disbeliever &#8211; we all are enclosed by the same rules of the universe &#8211; no escape.<br />
We must learn to use those rules to our advantage.</p>
<p>Offer guidance &#8211; yes &#8211; but never force.<br />
Is there no place for liberated thought in the church?<br />
Surely, that is a blasphemy?</p>
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		<title>By: I Support Reproductive Health Bill &#38; Population Development Act of 2008 (HB 5043) &#124; A Filipina Mom Blogger</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-11629</link>
		<dc:creator>I Support Reproductive Health Bill &#38; Population Development Act of 2008 (HB 5043) &#124; A Filipina Mom Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sinfully Good Sex (or, why we should support House Bill 16) by the jester-in-exile [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Jester-in-Exile</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-9181</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jester-in-Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right. see, with that POV i&#039;m reminded of soylent green. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right. see, with that POV i&#8217;m reminded of soylent green. :D</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Ekis</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-9163</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Ekis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont remember economics being defined as &quot;the allocation of people to the scarce resources.&quot; di ba baligtad? i truly believe in the genius of the human mind to find a humanist solution. and it is our imperative, for us to master these resources to fit us and not the other way around. this is the motor of art, literature, and i even daresay, science fiction, which becomes the engine of human ingenuity, creativity and invention.

i could not imagine a mother amputating her child just to fit the shirt. she should just be imaginative enough to find a larger one.

ayuz! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont remember economics being defined as &#8220;the allocation of people to the scarce resources.&#8221; di ba baligtad? i truly believe in the genius of the human mind to find a humanist solution. and it is our imperative, for us to master these resources to fit us and not the other way around. this is the motor of art, literature, and i even daresay, science fiction, which becomes the engine of human ingenuity, creativity and invention.</p>
<p>i could not imagine a mother amputating her child just to fit the shirt. she should just be imaginative enough to find a larger one.</p>
<p>ayuz! :D</p>
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		<title>By: The Jester-in-Exile</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-9146</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jester-in-Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>resources (livable space, food, etcetera) are finite, X. are we to wait for the point where we have to ration out the little we have when our population finally reaches several hundred million?

such is why i support population management. any argument based on &quot;the philippines has X land area and therefore has no problem with population&quot; should find out how easy it is to live on, well, i don&#039;t know, Apo Reef? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>resources (livable space, food, etcetera) are finite, X. are we to wait for the point where we have to ration out the little we have when our population finally reaches several hundred million?</p>
<p>such is why i support population management. any argument based on &#8220;the philippines has X land area and therefore has no problem with population&#8221; should find out how easy it is to live on, well, i don&#8217;t know, Apo Reef? :D</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Ekis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan Ekis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops. is that the same as HB4110? i was referring to that...heheh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops. is that the same as HB4110? i was referring to that&#8230;heheh</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Ekis</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-9110</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Ekis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you have a pizza and there are four of you, you will get bigger-sized slices than if there are forty of you.&quot;

here&#039;s my version (quoting my economist best friend): if you have a small shirt, and your child is inevitable growing, do you cut off his extremities to fit the shirt?

economically speaking, i think it should be the resources that should be made fit to the people and not the other way around.

im all for good sex but i think the bill should be seen not only in light of good sex but in light of the policies that it will imply.

cheers jester! i always enjoy your arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you have a pizza and there are four of you, you will get bigger-sized slices than if there are forty of you.&#8221;</p>
<p>here&#8217;s my version (quoting my economist best friend): if you have a small shirt, and your child is inevitable growing, do you cut off his extremities to fit the shirt?</p>
<p>economically speaking, i think it should be the resources that should be made fit to the people and not the other way around.</p>
<p>im all for good sex but i think the bill should be seen not only in light of good sex but in light of the policies that it will imply.</p>
<p>cheers jester! i always enjoy your arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: nash</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-9013</link>
		<dc:creator>nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect king&#039;s opinion (and the church&#039;s opinion) on SEX  but These are PERSONAL preferences that should NOT shape PUBLIC policy.


Remember, promiscuity (especially if you are single) is NOT a sin (outside of the church) and NOT illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect king&#8217;s opinion (and the church&#8217;s opinion) on SEX  but These are PERSONAL preferences that should NOT shape PUBLIC policy.</p>
<p>Remember, promiscuity (especially if you are single) is NOT a sin (outside of the church) and NOT illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: nash</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sinfully-good-sex/comment-page-1#comment-9012</link>
		<dc:creator>nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Feeling good or having pleasure is not the ultimate purpose for sex but it is simply incidental in the sexual act. yes, SEX IS good, no question about that, but what makes it good is not only the pleasure that it gives but the love that it expresses…a love that is responsible and open to life&quot;&quot;

gad, what a load of B.S. who wrote this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Feeling good or having pleasure is not the ultimate purpose for sex but it is simply incidental in the sexual act. yes, SEX IS good, no question about that, but what makes it good is not only the pleasure that it gives but the love that it expresses…a love that is responsible and open to life&#8221;"</p>
<p>gad, what a load of B.S. who wrote this?</p>
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		<title>By: ACS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my limited understanding of what the jester has put forth, I think what he means by &quot;good sex&quot; is sex whose effects go beyond the couple.

Take note that what King defines as good sex (that intimate perfect union of two loving souls) and what the Jester defines as good sex (that which does not add to the economic and health burden) are not necessarily mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my limited understanding of what the jester has put forth, I think what he means by &#8220;good sex&#8221; is sex whose effects go beyond the couple.</p>
<p>Take note that what King defines as good sex (that intimate perfect union of two loving souls) and what the Jester defines as good sex (that which does not add to the economic and health burden) are not necessarily mutually exclusive.</p>
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