Articles and essays which have no systematic evidence and are purely based on anecdotal cases allege that the migration of parents creates emotional displacements among children left behind. Many of the newspaper writing about the OFW families assert that the children are prone to delinquency and declining moral values. Church authorities, social workers and teachers/counselors who equate good parenting to physical presence of both spouses can have biased perceptions on the students with migrant parents.
The problem is when one journalist who may not have an OFW member in the family writes about his negative opinion based on his observation on one family; another picks it up and bloggers may write and discuss about the issue like it is the TRUTH that should be accepted, the perceptions are erroneously validated.
But did they ever look at the studies conducted? Nah. Sabi nga ano ba talaga pare ang katotohanan?
In my opinion, it seems that there is a gap between perceptions and findings on social costs of Pinoy Workers Migration.
First we have the motivations of the OFWs. It is true that workers are economically motivated but it is interesting to note what children say about it.
Most of the articles published in the newspapers point to the “escape from poverty” as a main reason for the labor migration when in fact, not all who migrated are necessarily poor.
From the studies conducted, most of the children responded that the fathers decide to migrate either to provide for the families or to seek career advancement.
As to the mothers, findings are on agreement that women migrate because there are no labor opportunities in the Philippines especially if you have no college degrees or you have already reached the age limit of employability.
Escaping poverty may be true for single parents for the reason that they were abandoned by the husbands or are unfortunately married to irresponsible-drunkard-no-good-womanizer head of the family.
First let us take a look at the study conducted in 1987 where a few researches were made to find out whether the perceptions on children of migrants are valid and true.
Cruz, Victoria Paz (1987). Seasonal Orphans and Solo Parents: The Impact of Overseas Migration. Scalabrini Migration Center and CBCP Commission on Migration and Tourism.
This is one of the earliest researches on children of migrant workers. The findings showed that there was no significant difference between children of migrant and non-migrant workers as to students’ performance. Majority received good ratings in terms of conduct and discipline in class from the teachers (78% children migrants, and 81% children of non-migrants).
After almost ten years another study pointed out to the same findings.
Battistela, Graziano and Conaco, Ma. Cecilia G. (1996). “Impact of Migration on the Children Left Behind” in the Asian Migrant, Volume 9 Issue No. 3
This extensive research in 1996 when cell phones were still not popular means of communication between migrants and children, the findings showed that the parental absence creates a sense of loneliness and abandonment.
However, it did not become a reason for laziness and unruliness for the children of migrant parents except for a few. For others, it made them, more self-reliant and responsible.
Although some felt confusion and anger, the overall findings of the studies revealed that the absence of the parents did not have a decisive negative impact on spiritual and motal formation of the children. “. This can be attributed to the regular communication of parents (particularly the mothers) with their children where they continue to monitor and guide their children thru letters and long distance calls.
The research paper argued that “family separation does not necessarily lead to extreme cases of emotional disturbance and delinquency among children.
Ten years after, another study belied the negative perceptions on the children.
Asis, Maruja M.B. (2006). “Living with Migration: Experiences of Left-Behind
The key findings here were:
(1) On average, children of migrants are better off financially than children of non-migrants.
(2) Children of migrants are more likely to attend expensive private schools than children of non-migrants, so children of migrants receive higher quality of education.
(3) Children of migrants reported the same levels of happiness as children of non-migrants, with the exception that children whose mothers had migrated reported slightly lower scores than other groups.
In-between these ten-year gaps, there were studies like 1) Nagasaka, 1998; 2)Anoneuvo 2002; and 3) Parrenas, 2005 which showed evidences that children of migrants being lonely,materialist, selfish, anxious, and resentful–
however, many children of non-migrants in the Philippines also face difficult lives and experience social and psychological problems
With the technological advancement on communication, a different level of intimacy strengthens the bonding among children and migrant parents.
The Filipino parents who are used to not demonstrating their care and love for children personally become less shy of expressing I love yous to their children by means of letters, texts and video conferencing.
What do you think made the phone cards very in demand?
Whether labor export is a good development policy or not, I believe that it is here to stay because the seed has been planted. These children of migrant parents will themselves migrate in the future whether because their career choices are what are in demand abroad or because the parents have opened the doors to the global labor markets.
Pag nagkaroon ng isang Pilipino sa isang isla, asahang maraming Pilipino pa ang darating.
Now let’s rumble by sharing OFW experiences and parenting.
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Goes to show how small your mind is, Ca_t, that you’d think the only reason one would be based in another country is because he/she is an OFW. :D
Try again Doctor. The question is quite simple:
What makes you think I am an OFW?
Cite your criteria, then show me some facts about moi that fit this criteria.
Use an appropriate example if you want to elaborate on this depletion issue.
Comparing logs to people is moronic because B0, natural resources can be depleted but not the human resources. In fact we have a problem how to contain its growth.
By the way, mineral resources are more subject to depletion than forests.
These mineral resources are not replaceable while logs can be replaced thru reforestration.
Logs can be replace with reforestation eventually. But if the rate of depletion is faster than the rate of replacement, then the results speak for themselves.
Same with people. We are sending them out in droves faster than our society can educate them and develop them.
The most dangerous thing a moron can say is that a resource cannot depleted. That’s what we thought of about forests, minerals and energy.
And even if some resource are not consumed to the point of depletion, there is a COST to consuming them wantonly. There are enough petroleum reserves, for example, to last us another 100 years. But continuing to burn petroleum comes at a cost to the environment which is now coming back to bite us.
Same thing with people. Maybe 90 million Pinoys seems like an infinite resource at the moment, but relying on OFW-ism to employ them comes at a cost. In the same way that the cost to us of wantonly burning fossil fuels weren’t foreseen, there are costs to Pinoy society of OFW-ism that we are only now beginning to understand and cannot foresee. Having said that there are obvious signs.
Watch and see how GabbyD answers my recent question to him. Or even try to answer that question yourself, Ca_t. Would you prefer a celphone and internet-based relationship with your son/daughter or spoouse over a normal relationship that includes a physical presence?
It is simple Dr. Watson. When we were arguing in PEX, you said that infamous statement of yours, that you can hardly wait to throw your Philippine passport to the crapper. That was the time when you were in Oz already working. You don’t tell me that your parents petitioned you to become an Aussie.
Because you are a foreigner working in Oz, that makes you an OVERSEAS FOREIGN WORKER, not unless you tell us your true story.
It is as simple as that Benigno.
If you consider yourself an expat, by this time you must have already come back. But you are still there as an Aussie citizen.
FYI Benigno, my brother and his family are in Australia. So I know how it works.
Of course I work here. That’s what people do wherever they are. And I have since thrown my Pinoy passport in the crapper (it’s a useless piece of paper if you ask me).
So let me get this straight, just because I am a foreigner working in Oz, that makes me an OFW?
I think the definition of an OFW is a bit broader than that. You seem to have left out the part where a bunch of hungry gaping mouths depend on a wad of cash sent to them every month back in the islands…
Benign0
Quite unAustralian mate! Chucking your past allegiance to the rubbish bin in such an unceremonious manner is not what the Aussie’s idea of multiculturalism is all about!
You aren’t an OFW since no OFW would throw their passport to the crapper (they wouldn’t be able to return from hell to heavenly Inang Bayan) even if some crappy employer demands their passport.
Chucking or ripping a passport (as Edu Manzano was seen on TV to have done) means denial of nationality or past allegiance.
And with that statement I have a big doubt on how Australian you have become!
Be Fair Dinkum!
That is, blackshama, if you equate everything about your identity as Pinoy to that piece of paper (there’s a fallacy in there somewhere, but I’m no “expert” on fallacies, mate).
Junk the cliche’d poetry you spin around the physical artifact and separate the REALITY of the utter worthlessness of the piece of paper known as a the “Philippine Passport”, from the notion of being Pinoy, and you will go through life with a little less baggage to weigh you down.
Even if I scrape every inch of my skin off me, my ethnic background will not wash off any more than peeling an apple will make it less of an apple or removing a label from a bottle of wine will make it less of a wine.
And, yes, no one person can presume to tell anyone who is or is not a Filipino, dude.
Merry Christmas!
so what are you then?
If you left the country without an immigrant visa to work either as skilled labor or professionals like nurses, accountants engineers, you are considered an OFW even if if you are not sending cash to the hungry family back home or you did not intend to come back to the Philippines.
What makes you think I left the country without an immigrant visa, Ca_t?
Because there are only two main categories for permanent entry visas in Oz, the migration and humanitarian program.
Under the migration, you have two sub-categories;
the skilled migrants and the business migrants.
without your little knowledge about business, i do not think you fall under business migration besides, there is a cash show money and experience required.
Relatives such as spouse, children of Oz`citizens do not become automatic immigrants.
Skilled migrants are those who wish to work and live in the OZ with their skills. There is a provisional period before one becomes a citizen or a permanent resident. That period is when you are still categorized as a holder of skilled migrant visa under different sponsorships.
So how were you sponsored ? I read it is employer-sponsored visa or you just applied under independent skilled migration thru point system.
Tell us the story. Because to me, you were still overseas foreign worker or a migrant worker before you received your OZ permanent resident card or citizenship.
Merry X Mas the cat and to all at FV.
Merry X mas to All!.
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“The problem is when one journalist who may not have an OFW member in the family writes about his negative opinion based on his observation on one family; another picks it up and bloggers may write and discuss about the issue like it is the TRUTH that should be accepted, the perceptions are erroneously validated. CAT.
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Cat did not tell us the number of respondents polled who said that migration of Filipino workers had no impact on the children:
Case 1:
My wife recruited nurses from the Philippines. One married nurse left two of his kids to wife, ages 3 and 4.
Husband married another woman in the States and left behind 2 kids and wife. Imagine the effect on the children.
Case 2: Court employee who was a friend went to U.K. as DH. Left three young children. According to my friend whom I chatted one time online, her husband was having another woman. Husband told the kids that their mom was living-in with another man in UK, cut off the telephone line and the mom had lost contact with her kids. Woman cannot go home because her visa had expired and she could not go back to job if she goes home for unexpired visa.
Bottomline: Pinoys look for job abroad because there is no job in the country. But anyone who claims that Pinoy migration leaving behind their wife/husband and kids have no impact on the emotional balance of the family, regrettably have not been a father, a mother or a child.
Before the kids and me had joined my wife in the U.S., because she was offered a job whose salaries is 7 times her salary as a Nurse at Children’s Hospital in Quezon City, I saw tears from my eldest son’s eyes when we see her off at the airport, and he was 12. Imagine the tears of children more younger.
Anyone who claimed that the deleterious effect of separating the members of the family from the unit is not as much now than before because of the inroads of communications where you can dial someone half-way across the globe or you can see each other by video/audio teleconferencing must not have a sense of what family bonding is all about. I have not lost my sense of priority and this is one of the reasons why I left law practice so I can be with my wife and kids.
On a lighter note, Leytenian is again correct. Happiness is not measured by one’s economic status in life. MOney is not always equivalent to happiness.
Some have too much, yet still do crave;
I little have, and seek no more:
They are but poor, though much they have,
And I am rich with little store.
They poor, I rich; they beg, I give;
They lack, I leave; they pine, I live.
Edward Dyer (1543 – 1607)
English courtier and poet.
But do not get me wrong. Most people are happy when they have more money which can give them education and more convenience in life. :)
Note the option I highlighted in bold in the above quote.
I’m a skilled migrant who applied in Manila under the point system and was granted a permanent residency even before me and my family set foot here Ca_T.
So the lesson here, Ca_t is that for someeone like you who prides herself in citing “studies” quoting stats, and playing expert, you seem to be someone who quite easily falls into that classic ASSumption trap. :D
gabby d:
You probably have to brush up a little bit on your English. Social scientist in you?
Don’t play moderator here as to say a lot of people are off topic as though the article is anything too hard to understand.
i gave the links and so did baycas as reference for this article where the number of respondents for each study was given.
The cases cited here are what i call, ANECDOTAL.
What is true with a neighbor or with a friend is not true for all.
Thus the studies use several respondents, structured their questionnnaire in such a way that subjectivity is reduced if not entirely eliminated, respondents were not used randomly, sample size was estimated and values were assigned to quantify findings.
Between anecdotes and findings of studies with more people involved, which can represent a bigger group, a story that has travelled by word of mouth or a more objective way of finding if the perceptions are really valid or not.
Besides, the overall perception tested here is if the absence of the parents have really made these children left behind a burden of society as indicated by their performance in schools, in their levels of happines and in their coping mechanisms for the separation.
There were responses that tell the emotional state or feeling of the children but the statistics showed that it is not so material to negate the theory about these children.
As I said Ca_t, most migrants I know do work. So I guess that makes them and me “migrant workers”. :D
I do remember the sort of visa I used to come to Oz. I thought I’d give you a bit of a work out because you started with an assumption that you now struggle to continue to prop up with an increasingly convoluted definition of “OFW”.
People who hold permanent residency documents mean they have the right to reside in the issuing country and work. Even if they don’t work they still have the right to reside in said country;
Migrant workers on the other hand have residencies that are subject to the condition that they remain employed by the business entity that sponsored their visa.
Simple difference Ca_t. I understand why you find it a bit inconceivable that a Pinoy can actually be living in another country and not be an OFW. I think it has something to do with the sort of crowd you hang out with. After all, you don’t come across Pinoy’s like moi that often in your circles, do you? ;)
Merry Christmas!
nick does not moderate because he feels that opinions should not be curtailed.
I think it is the writer of the article who has the responsbility to say whether it is off topic or not.
As the author of this article, i agree with Gabbyd.
There are comments which are already in economic aspects and from the beginning, I warned the commenters to stay focus on the social impact.
Thank you anyway for that comment.
thank you for sharing your experience as family with migrant member.
Same to you leytenian.
Let us have some honesty here. You did not give up lawyering in favor of coming to the US. There is the opportunity when your wife’s petition for the family was approved.
From your posting, I believe that you tried to continue practicing law in the US which is not impossible as long as your credentials of being a lawyer in the Philippines did not have a problem.
Your wife is not exactly unemployed when she came to the US, it is just a career advancement and financial rewards.
You are not wallowing in poverty when she left so
in your case, the reason for leaving the PHilippines is not because you can not find a job which are mostly the cases of unskilled workers.
CAT,
You are offthread. Your main post claims that OFW migration does not have much effect on the family as a unit. I said it has contributed to some extent to the breakdown of families. I have cited two cases.
Then you are questioning my honesty and you made an entirely conclusionary remark, almost in a patented fashion, and quite frankly a trademark of both condescension and expertise “hallucination” that is evident in most of your posts. You posted:
“From your posting, I believe that you tried to continue practicing law in the US which is not impossible as long as your credentials of being a lawyer in the Philippines did not have a problem.”
What has my lawyering to do with my contrary post that migration Filipino workers had a deleterious effect on family members specially the kids who are left behind by either the mother or the father.
One of the reasons I have left my law practice in the Philippines so I can be with my wife and my kids and not for any imaginary problem you tried to maliciously impute on my person.
Why don’t you just argue your point in a most convincing manner and purge it with acerbic idiom and insunuation unless of course your highly fantasized expertise is almost associative with your ill-manner?
Same as your speculation about other peoples’ personal circumstances, Ca_t. As you can see now, all you end up achieving is looking like a chump and doing a disservice to your own profession in the way you behave and throw your “credentials” around. :D
Read my article again. I presented the findings of the studies and not my opinion. My opinion is that there is a gap between the perceptions and the findings of the studies.
as usual benigno, you cannot contribute to the thread by sharing opinion as a migrant worker– if you do not want to use the word OFW.
But still you can not convince me of your claim that you are already an immigrant when you came to the OZ. Why it took so long and why do i need to give you the type of visas that you can secure from the OZ embassy before you tell us how you migrated to your adopted country?
It is really very simple by saying, I applied for skilled migration visa using point system, no employer sponsor blah blah.
I am sure you still remember how you filled up the form, the process of application and the years that you spent to get the citizenship. it was hardly ten years.
Keep on ranting benigno, you are being unmasked every time you try to insult me because of my credentials. hey, i did not buy them. i worked hard for them.
And benigno, I made you popular. If i did not debate with you in pex,you did not have the chance to promote your get real phils. But as usual, readers may be impressed the first time they read your theories and framework but later, they become constipated of your writings.
just like here in FV, as if you are senile that you kept on repeating what you have written.
You know what that means, you can not even convince yourself.
happy Holidays to you.
there is no malice in it. Your posts in mlq3 showed that you never intende to leave lawyering as a career.
you tried to continue lawyering even in the US.
What makes a difference is when you engage in another career in the US which you intend to NOW by enrolling in nursing when you can not get your credentials from the philippines because your license was suspended. i do not want to discuss it here. Nash is more familiar with the case.
Your decision to migrate happened when you allowed your wife to go to the US to work. The decision to join was merely a consequence.
Suit yourself Ca_t.
You’re obviously the kind of person who had been lied to quite a lot as a kid.
Keep on guessing. :D
Funny but when one talks of social costs of OFW’s on their children one is talking about the future of a sizable section of Philippine society.
Will it benefit or detract from the entire societal development of the country.
Humans like apes are primarily social animals. The most basic social unit is the family. Ape families remain together for physical survival. Humans also started out pretty much the same way.
Heads of families in the Philippines are being separated from their children to sustain material survival for their families. It is a matter of survival and for others who wish for a higher standard of living.
Obviously that will prove to be a strain on normal familial relationships. When whole families emigrate that is another thing entirely. Contract workers are entirely a different matter. They come from the lower classes. The vast majority of the Philippine population.
The fact remains that the entire OFW phenomenon and the emigration patterns of the last 40 years has afforded a life support system to the Philippine economy.
Emphasis on life support. If a substantial amount of that life support were to be cut in the face of the impending slowdown in the world economies, does the Philippine economy have the necessary foundation already laid by the the OFW remittances of the past combined with the support of emigrants in other countries? Point to a standing economic structure that can serve as a replacement for that income that would be lost.
That is the irony of a domestic stimulus package. The jobs lost will be firstly more overseas. How does GMAS stimulate those foreign economies?
Or will the Philippines suffer a major contraction in the economy of major proportions?
On a much broader scale the world is facing the collapse of the other major secular religion. In the late 80′s the entire world saw the collapse of state capitalism (almost no markets existing) as an economic model and the private capitalists of the word rejoiced and proclaimed free market capitalism the victor and triumphant.
It is hilarious that our professora explains things already like an economics expert notwithstanding the fact that it is the economic system the Philippines has been following that continually victimizes Filipino families.
The first major crack in the free market model after the fall of the competing secular economic religion happened in 1994 with the Mexican financial blowup.
Tracing that to the contagion that spread to the other countries in 1997/98/and early 2000,
then 9/11 and the contagion that started with Mexico returned to the source of the problem the U.S.
Starting in 2006 till the later part of 2008 we have witnessed the collapse of the remaining secular religion- free market capitalism.
During that entire period the Philippines also changed the quantity and profile of labor exports.
It has now become the main driver of growth (mostly personal consumption based almost exclusively) and using the economic accounting constructs of the technocracy all seemed to be alright.
In the face of a stagnant economy the creation of wealth and whatever redistribution of wealth that exists has been privatized in the form of criminality which includes tax evasion, smuggling, white slavery and corruption. There are many names for it but it is all part of a free market unfettered. Everything and everyone can be bought.
Where weak states or no states exist you actually have the freest markets. Somalia is a case in point and the traders from Muslim Mindanao another case. If you want to buy counterfeit products most of the smuggled goods come in through the areas where the state is weak. Go to most malls anywhere and you will see Muslim vendors of everything fake.
Drugs are another matter altogether. Criminal syndicates operate manufacturing facilities in the Philippines where local governments are weak or complaint.
Businesses have a fixed time constraint depending on their capital structure.
Economies are different. Lag times are much longer and livelihoods, businesses live and die and disappear within economic structures. GMA has proclaimed that OFW’s will no longer be necessary by the year 2020 because the Philippines will be a First World Country.
In that respect our dear professora is akin to the thinking of a person making his/her way from her Amazon tribal homeland into a small town settlement for the first time. The same as GMA.
the same old rant from hvrds-JAG, always pessimistic :)
“In the face of a stagnant economy the creation of wealth and whatever redistribution of wealth that exists has been privatized in the form of criminality which includes tax evasion, smuggling, white slavery and corruption.”
True , in addition the public procurement system in the Philippines is dysfunctional. It is characterized by multiple laws, rules and regulations, which do however adhere to the principles of competition and
transparency, but it is inefficient, and prone
to abuse (gaming the system and conflict of interest). It also contributes to lowering public fund’s VALUE for money.
Common among the 90 million pinoy is “ang hirap nang buhay dito sa pinas”
There will be more Social Costs and Debt to be incurred from the World Bank. Remittances are often used as collateral. Many public and private entities have already learned in finding loopholes within the system. Public Officials are engaged in many private businesses out of people’s money. Or they will run for office to protect its own businesses. Also, the formation of NGO can be a valid entry to a full blown “Game the System”. Any NGO owned by any politician or with a private person thru fictitious name registration must be watched. It’s a corrupt strategy if Pork is not available.
We do have a new Procurement Law but then again, this country is slow to implement.
:)
This is your moment to shine. Sorry but your rantings make you the person that you just have described.
It also shows that there is no new knowledge contributed. As usual you are parroting this for so many times. No original concept.
thank you for the comment but your assessment is too late for the board who chose to give me a title.
Besides, most of your predictions from your crystal ball has not happened yet. Should I try Madam Auring? he he he he
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“What makes a difference is when you engage in another career in the US which you intend to NOW by enrolling in nursing when you can not get your credentials from the philippines because your license was suspended. i do not want to discuss it here. Nash is more familiar with the case.” Cat.
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Typically Cathish. Again what has that do do with my post that migration of Filipino workers leaving their kids behind has an adverse effect on children contrary to your post that the study does not have much effect on family unit and in fact the kids of these migrant workers have functioned well emotionally in the school as well as in the community?
And why don’t you familiaze yourself with my case before you open your big mouth? It is in my blog site. Pllease read not only my suspension which is Chapter Three of my book but and my two motions for reconsideration.
If only you read my blog, you will find out that I said that the decision of the SCORP about my case is a garbage. If you consider it otherwise, please read it, do not limit yourself to the conclusion of the SCORP and Nash, then point out in clear language my alleged indiscretion in this thread so we can see can microanalyze the case if your “finance mind” is up to it.
If you knew that the SCORP has alllowed Mr. Marcos to imprison J.W. Diokno on suspicion that he might join the alleged rebellion in 1972, has tacitly approved Ninoy Aquino incarceration by the Military Tribunal while the civil courts were functioning, then you will find out that the SCORP is not only infallible, but it can pervert the law as well.
Or you might care to educate yourself of the infamous Salem Withcraft Trial where the Court has condemned people for withcraft.
Here is an entry in my book:
From the Salem Witchcraft Trial in 1692 in colonial Massachusetts which led to the conviction and hanging of innocent 14 women and 5 men, 1 suspect stoned to death; 4 people died in jail awaiting their trials and nearly 200 other
people were arrested, to the persecution of Filipino patriots by the Spanish Royal Audiencia and the death of fathers Gomez, Burgos and Zamora; the countless lost souls of students and
farmers from the hands of the military during the darkest age of martial law and the blood of Jose Rizal in Luneta and the blood of Senator Aquino in tarmac, were few of the precious blood
sacrificed under a pretended claim of bringing about order and security.
There is also some parallel between the Court of
Massachusetts of 1692 and our Supreme Court today. It loves to sacrifice the blood of the innocents and would protect the blood
of others who just like them are equally perverse. It loves to preach justice and morality in the judiciary and consider itself
the final seat of legal wisdom and authority even in the light of its injudicious and highly questionable management of its funds and
errors in its judgments. This claim to moral superiority is a myth and its claim to legal wisdom is the ultimate perversion of them
all. These magistrates basked in the splendor of being addressed Your Honors even while their acts were less than honorable”
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“Your decision to migrate happened when you allowed your wife to go to the US to work. The decision to join was merely a consequence.” Cat.
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Cat, again you are in the habit of making grand conclusion.
Given the option to migrate to the U.S. as against leaving my law practice, I would have chosen my law practice but I was not given that choice. The choice is between my law practice and my being away with my family and I chose to be with my family.
I have built my law practice for 19 years and I was not an ordinary run-of-the-mill type, and the decision is not for me alone but for the kids also. I could have opted to stay but I consider the family more important than my career. Even if I become a lawyer in the U.S., i don’t think I can build a clientele compared to what I already have in the Philippines.
Please read this link so you can have a sense of my person.
here is the link CAT,
http://ca.supremecourt.gov.ph/cardis/CV69255.pdf
So present a study too that contradicts the findings. if it is only your opinion, sorry, i will not subscribe to it. Are you not the commenter in mlq3 who also said that Philippines is still listed as PI (not the private investigator, silly) in the UPS?
Are you not the commenter who said that I knew nothing about nursing because I was using LVN which is equivalent to LPN in other states.
I do not want to discuss your case with the Supreme court. Off topic.
Now, isn’t it true that you are changing your career because you cannot practice law in the US.
And I can tell you more. Some lawyers from the Philippines have lucrative lawyering here in the States especially immigration lawyers.
Some were able to get reciprocity in some States but not in California where they still have to get the licensing exam.
The fact that you attempted to practice law in the States belie your claim that you are leaving the lawyering practice and that must have convinced you to migrate when your family visa was approved.
going back to the topic before i am sidetracked by off topic comments, this is from Children of International migrants in Indonesia, Thailand and in the Philippines.
Now people, don’t argue with me. it is not my own study. go ahead, find one which may refute the findings.
“Now, isn’t it true that you are changing your career because you cannot practice law in the US.”. Cat.
:) :)
I never said that, that is your grand conclusion again. :)
“The fact that you attempted to practice law in the States belie your claim that you are leaving the lawyering practice and that must have convinced you to migrate when your family visa was approved.”. Cat.
:) :)
Wheew, Cat, did you atleast take one unit of philosophy and logic in class?
I have already left lawyering in the Philippines for the simple reason that I have already migrated. I cannot trasport my Philippine clients to America because most of my clients are locals not international clients.
My attempt to become a lawyer in America is not inconsistent with my leaving my Philippine lawyering, nor my lawyering attempt in the U.S. revives the clientele I have already built in the Philippines.
FYI, I am not after the “big-time” immigration lawyer you rant about. I am just another kind of lawyer, who goes to court, analyze forensic evidence, get out the trash from a witness mouth the way I am doing with you right now. Quite frankly, nurses who want to go to the U.S., are taken care of my wife of which I do not even care to participate.
“before i am sidetracked by off topic comments” Cat..
:) :)
You were the one who sidetracked yourself when you posted that my lawyering has something to do with my comment that migration of Filipino workers leaving their young kids and wife/husband in the Philippines have an impact on the kids and quite frankly can traumatize these young kids and I have cited two actual cases while your post was limited and confined only on what you read online.
come on cat, you were not arguing with Benign0 anymore, which incidentally has given you a lot of beating lately. :)
“Where weak states or no states exist you actually have the freest markets.” J-AG
In the Philippines, we have the Law but it is written but forgotten. “Mahirap talaga ang buhay sa pinas’, many pinoys said that. Can we blame the many for getting out of the country because of unemployment and low income?
Who weakens the law? the people or the public officials?
“A public official or employee shall avoid conflicts of interest at all times. When a conflict of interest arises, he shall resign from his position, in any private business enterprise within thirty (30) days from his assumption of office and/or divest himself of his shareholdings or interest within sixty (60) days from such assumption. The same rule shall apply where the public official or employee is a partner in a partnership.” RA6713, Sec.9.
References: Republic Act (RA) 9184, Modernization, Standardization and Regulation of the Procurement Activities of the Government; RA 6713, Code of Conduct and Ethical Standards for Public Officials and Employees.”
By the way J-AG, your link to IHT is the same link i posted on Dec 24th at 2:12 AM. :)
Benigno’s capital base and productivity will be very difficult to achieve because of the weakness of the LAW unless it is strengthened. But for many pinoys, they rather get out of the country rather than waiting for employment derive from “capital base and productivity”
Social Cost for All Children ( non migrants or migrants) is already a burden to our corrupt government.
an interesting Reverse Brain Drain
Would you like me to copy paste it from MLq3′s blog. For months now, I have not participated in your discussion in that forum but it does not mean that I do not read commentaries.
go ahead cat, suit yourself.
but before posting it compare it first to your grand conclusion that i was taking up nursing or changing my career because i cannot practice my law in the U.S. :) :)
The cat,
please do not paste our fight before. :) hahahah
Logic 101′
Jcc migrated 2000 in the US
He claimed he left lawyering in the PHils when he migrated.
So what is this excerpt from his letter to Justice Puno dated August 29, 2008.
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Can you translate it for me, phulease.
I think what I said in MLQ3′s blog was that I was trying to reinvent myself, by doing something else but not because I cannot practice law in the U.S. Of course I can practice law here if I pass their exams.
But again you were skirting the evident malice in your post by referencing to my bar suspension for one year as a counter-argument of my position that kids of OFW suffered trauma by having one parent separated from them. I have given you two factual situations which you try to belittle by coming up with your “bar suspension” argument and your having read online “expert research” that these kids do not suffer from any maladjustment. Aside from a “finance expert” you suddenly become a child “psychology expert” by reading one or two online posts.
You are confused of your premise as well as your logic.
When I see tears from my kids everytime we see their mom off to the airport, I always instinctively say: “Houston, we have a problem”. Whatever money my wife brings home do not seem to compensate for such temporary-broken heartedness of my children.
So do not preen your “child psychology” expertise and justify the money these OFW’s bring home as an argument that their kids are much better off emotionally despite lack of parental supervision and tender parental affection that you claimed can be compensated through video/audio teleconferencing. :)
cat, i don’t know what school you come from and therefore cannot quite comprehend your line of reasoning. you are in the habit of picking up bits and pieces of information and then mix them up to make a conclusion.
yes i enrolled in the college of nursing because i believe i can be a health care administrator not because i cannot practice law. i did not finish the course because i think i am not cut out for the job.
but i think our immediate issue here is your “threat” that you will expose me that i have taken up nursing because i cannot practice law here and that I have posted that at MLQ3′s blog and you want to repost it here and I said, go ahead, suit yourself.
My kids are grown up now, but I was talking about the time when they were much younger and their mother would leave them to me so she can work abroad.
we are getting nowhere in this discussion and how i wish i can rephrase a cliche: “here is a dime, buy someone you can talk too at your level”. :)
cat by the way, what has Benign0′s manner of getting abroad to do with the issue of your expert study on “child psychology?” :)
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“Yesterday, August 28, I received a letter from the State Bar of California that your Office had advised the Committee of Bar Examiners “that due to a finding of misconduct, I was suspended from the practice of law in the Philippines effective August 9, 2005, and that the suspension remains in effect”
CAT
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My goodness cat. If you read the entire letter you will be able to educate yourself and I need not explain anything to you. That I can practice law because my suspension was already served.
That my suspension continues in effect despite the lapse of one year is the Supreme Court way at getting back at me because I have written a book about its corruption. But If I pass the California Bar and the SC still stood pat on its position, I will sue the SC itself. Luckily, I have not passed yet the California Bar therefore there is no need to sue the SC yet.
But go back to the issue of “child pyschology”. My issue with the SCORP is entirely unrelated to the issue that OFW kids are traumatized by the absentee parent. Stick to the issue and do not clutter it with other issues unrelated. :)
I think it’s the reverse Ca_t.
You started with an ASSumption about my personal circumstances and I asked you a couple of simple questions — which set you off on a mild tililing rampage to dig up stuff to back up your ill-thought-out assumption post hoc.
Kind of the same way that you now find yourself painted into a corner about your musings about jcc’s personal circumstances and your ha-ha/ho-hum amateurish musings about OFW’s.
AS you said, you worked for your PhD. That’s the even bigger tragedy here. :D