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		<title>By: Quest for the True North &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If you were in front of him, what would you tell him?</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sulpicio-lines-dont-forget-accountability/comment-page-1#comment-4774</link>
		<dc:creator>Quest for the True North &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If you were in front of him, what would you tell him?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] These past few weeks we&#8217;ve read and heard about how Sulpicio Lines has tried to squirm out of responsibility. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] These past few weeks we&#8217;ve read and heard about how Sulpicio Lines has tried to squirm out of responsibility. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sulpicio-lines-dont-forget-accountability/comment-page-1#comment-3983</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CVJ, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  It&#039;s actually a good way forward toward a better regulated industry.

@DJB, I don&#039;t think knowing the exact numbers is the prerequisite for castigating this company.  800 lives in this tragedy should be enough to castigate anyone.  Call it negligence, but never an Act of God.

It was an act of wrong judgment, pure and simple.

Whether you wish to use the 22 ships as an excuse for Sulpicio and the theory of an Act of God, it&#039;s your choice.  But as I have said, this whole affair is an indictment on the whole industry, Sulpicio Lines included, not God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CVJ, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  It&#8217;s actually a good way forward toward a better regulated industry.</p>
<p>@DJB, I don&#8217;t think knowing the exact numbers is the prerequisite for castigating this company.  800 lives in this tragedy should be enough to castigate anyone.  Call it negligence, but never an Act of God.</p>
<p>It was an act of wrong judgment, pure and simple.</p>
<p>Whether you wish to use the 22 ships as an excuse for Sulpicio and the theory of an Act of God, it&#8217;s your choice.  But as I have said, this whole affair is an indictment on the whole industry, Sulpicio Lines included, not God.</p>
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		<title>By: DJB Rizalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJB Rizalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The record of Sulpicio Lines cannot be examined in isolation.  I agree with cvj that a healthy insurance industry would make for a more realistic assessment of a company&#039;s safety record. For example, given that Sulpicio runs so many ships and trips, does its record number of accidents actually make it less safe than other providers, taking into account the amount of business is does? I don&#039;t think many who are castigating Sulpicio know the answer to this question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The record of Sulpicio Lines cannot be examined in isolation.  I agree with cvj that a healthy insurance industry would make for a more realistic assessment of a company&#8217;s safety record. For example, given that Sulpicio runs so many ships and trips, does its record number of accidents actually make it less safe than other providers, taking into account the amount of business is does? I don&#8217;t think many who are castigating Sulpicio know the answer to this question.</p>
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		<title>By: benign0</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sulpicio-lines-dont-forget-accountability/comment-page-1#comment-3880</link>
		<dc:creator>benign0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, Jim Paredes posted a short blog on the Sulpicio tragedy &lt;a href=&quot;http://kamusta.com/pinoyblog/blog/852&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, Jim Paredes posted a short blog on the Sulpicio tragedy <a href="http://kamusta.com/pinoyblog/blog/852" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sulpicio-lines-dont-forget-accountability/comment-page-1#comment-3854</link>
		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jester, sorry but i don&#039;t think i was clear enough when i brought up the matter of mandatory insurance.  My bringing up insurance was not for the purpose of preparing for a contingency (although it does that as well) but rather, to subject Sulpicio to an honest to goodness appraisal which happens to be a prerequisite to assessing insurance premiums.   


Once the insurance appraiser takes into account  the data in the Lloyd&#039;s database (which you blogged about) on Sulpicio&#039;s safety record, the result would either Sulpicio&#039;s premiums would make travelling with the carrier uncompetitive, or would make the carrier uninsurable thereby closing down its passenger operations.  

It&#039;s a way of introducing the kind of regulation  that would make market forces work for the interest of the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jester, sorry but i don&#8217;t think i was clear enough when i brought up the matter of mandatory insurance.  My bringing up insurance was not for the purpose of preparing for a contingency (although it does that as well) but rather, to subject Sulpicio to an honest to goodness appraisal which happens to be a prerequisite to assessing insurance premiums.   </p>
<p>Once the insurance appraiser takes into account  the data in the Lloyd&#8217;s database (which you blogged about) on Sulpicio&#8217;s safety record, the result would either Sulpicio&#8217;s premiums would make travelling with the carrier uncompetitive, or would make the carrier uninsurable thereby closing down its passenger operations.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a way of introducing the kind of regulation  that would make market forces work for the interest of the public.</p>
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		<title>By: The Jester-in-Exile</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/sulpicio-lines-dont-forget-accountability/comment-page-1#comment-3853</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jester-in-Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paying insurance is a contingency in case a risk occurs.

closing down sulpicio as an object lesson, towards tightening controls and increasing maritime safety is the beginning of risk mitigation (even almost outright elimination, if done as close to perfect as can be).

i prefer risk mitigation and elimination over contingency. provide contingencies, yes, but let&#039;s not let the risks remain in place as they are.

(what can i say -- i&#039;m more engineering than political in such analyses.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paying insurance is a contingency in case a risk occurs.</p>
<p>closing down sulpicio as an object lesson, towards tightening controls and increasing maritime safety is the beginning of risk mitigation (even almost outright elimination, if done as close to perfect as can be).</p>
<p>i prefer risk mitigation and elimination over contingency. provide contingencies, yes, but let&#8217;s not let the risks remain in place as they are.</p>
<p>(what can i say &#8212; i&#8217;m more engineering than political in such analyses.)</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry for the broken tag. Here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quezon.ph/1874/no-ifs-and-buts-about-it/#comment-858574&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;proper link&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry for the broken tag. Here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.quezon.ph/1874/no-ifs-and-buts-about-it/#comment-858574" rel="nofollow">proper link</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jester, i think mong was just voicing genuine concern for the 7,000 employees of Sulpicio though your description does make him sound like a Capitalist.  That&#039;s why i &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quezon.ph/1874/no-ifs-and-buts-about-it/#comment-858574&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suggested a government takeover&lt;/a&gt; instead so that both operations and employment can continue.  

However, from your blog entry, i realized that there is a need for mandatory insurance coverage for passengers (covering &lt;i&gt;protection and indemnity&lt;/i&gt;, not just &lt;i&gt;accident&lt;/i&gt; insurance) to help ensurethe safety of the carrier. That should be the priority (even for non-Sulpicio carriers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jester, i think mong was just voicing genuine concern for the 7,000 employees of Sulpicio though your description does make him sound like a Capitalist.  That&#8217;s why i <a href="http://www.quezon.ph/1874/no-ifs-and-buts-about-it/#comment-858574" rel="nofollow">suggested a government takeover</a> instead so that both operations and employment can continue.  </p>
<p>However, from your blog entry, i realized that there is a need for mandatory insurance coverage for passengers (covering <i>protection and indemnity</i>, not just <i>accident</i> insurance) to help ensurethe safety of the carrier. That should be the priority (even for non-Sulpicio carriers).</p>
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		<title>By: The Jester-in-Exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Jester-in-Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>taking mong&#039;s question at face value, it would seem that the probability of a total loss incident every three years and the probability of casualty-related incident every six are to him acceptable losses -- the cost of doing business.

or, to put it even more bluntly, it seems that mong&#039;s question supposes a higher premium on the plight of 7000 skilled workers (all of whom can be absorbed by local and foreign shipping firms and thus their lives will go on), than the lives of those who have died and those yet to die, none of whom can have their lives given back to them.

now, if that&#039;s good enough for shipping firms, let&#039;s do the same for bus lines. let&#039;s relax the laws, payagan natin ang mga bus na nakaaksidente at nakasagasa na atrasan ang biktima at bayaran na lang ang naiwang pamilya, imbes na parusahan ang mga kumpanyang may patakaran (nakasulat man o hindi) na ganito. the dead are dead -- we have to think of the living, don&#039;t we?

a rather interesting point of view on quality service, not to mention the price of doing business.

hell, let&#039;s just set a price of the life of each filipino. bank employee dead after an early morning holdup, call center agent dead after a stick-up, child sideswiped in front of her school, student dead after a fraternity rite gone wrong, activist murdered by government agents... who cares? pay thirty silver pieces, and his death is recompensed, whatever the cause of death, for whatever reason the slaying, and with the culprit or his representatives handing over the bag not as an admission of guilt.

a rather interesting point of view on accountability and justice.

(nice one, mong -- you have made me regret supporting your party-list organization last elections.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>taking mong&#8217;s question at face value, it would seem that the probability of a total loss incident every three years and the probability of casualty-related incident every six are to him acceptable losses &#8212; the cost of doing business.</p>
<p>or, to put it even more bluntly, it seems that mong&#8217;s question supposes a higher premium on the plight of 7000 skilled workers (all of whom can be absorbed by local and foreign shipping firms and thus their lives will go on), than the lives of those who have died and those yet to die, none of whom can have their lives given back to them.</p>
<p>now, if that&#8217;s good enough for shipping firms, let&#8217;s do the same for bus lines. let&#8217;s relax the laws, payagan natin ang mga bus na nakaaksidente at nakasagasa na atrasan ang biktima at bayaran na lang ang naiwang pamilya, imbes na parusahan ang mga kumpanyang may patakaran (nakasulat man o hindi) na ganito. the dead are dead &#8212; we have to think of the living, don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>a rather interesting point of view on quality service, not to mention the price of doing business.</p>
<p>hell, let&#8217;s just set a price of the life of each filipino. bank employee dead after an early morning holdup, call center agent dead after a stick-up, child sideswiped in front of her school, student dead after a fraternity rite gone wrong, activist murdered by government agents&#8230; who cares? pay thirty silver pieces, and his death is recompensed, whatever the cause of death, for whatever reason the slaying, and with the culprit or his representatives handing over the bag not as an admission of guilt.</p>
<p>a rather interesting point of view on accountability and justice.</p>
<p>(nice one, mong &#8212; you have made me regret supporting your party-list organization last elections.)</p>
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