It is high time to take to task those who disguise themselves as trying to elevate the political discourse of our nation, as trying to be working towards the greater good of The Filipino people. These are the Filipinos who have lost their heritage, who look down on their homeland, on their own people, and who no longer, for all practicality, associate themselves as being Pinoy.
The guise is almost too disgusting, borderline racism, and pure hatred in speech, writing, and action. These “Filipinos” will often say, “they” when referring to Filipinos, as if they are not part of the society that gave birth to them. These “Filipinos” are the same ones who take delight in the ills of our nation, instead of actually working towards the alleviations of these ills.
The disgraced Filipino no longer hides, for it seems it has become vogue to put down our very own society. This is no longer “tough love”, and I must remind our readers that verbal abuse is a form of abuse nonetheless. We don’t need rosy words, but we have to realize that in these acts of anti Filipino sentiments, hatred is sown, and the racial undertones of those who are no longer proud of their heritage often surfaces. In tough times, these are no longer the individuals we should seek to help our nation move forward. They have lost faith in The Filipino people, so why should the Filipino people have faith in them?
For the disgraced Filipino, the pleasure comes from the trouncing and kicking of those who are already downtrodden. Our nation may not be perfect, but it is still our nation. There are dysfunctions in our very own society, but to take pleasure and castigate millions of Filipinos is neither fair, just, nor is it the proper way to go about solving these dysfunctions.
A few of our very own writers have become front and center of attacks by such disgraced Filipinos. Hurling words of hate and personal attacks. I shall say this over and over again, even in the context of freedom of speech, the freedom to hate may legally be upheld, but is still morally unacceptable. This is what these anti Filipinos fail to grasp.
The disgraced Filipino, they rally against the good and those who are willing to sacrifice. They call themselves Anti Pinoy, the mantra they so lovingly parade around. They care for The Filipino they say, but that’s just dishonest. They love The Filipino they say, that’s just a plain lie. They are the abusers of our society, professing love in words, but not in action.
We live in such a cynical world these days, where HOPE no longer rings true in the ears of many of our Filipino brethren, where mudslinging is the order of the day, where HOPE is a word laughed at by these disgraced Filipinos.
I have hope in our nation and in our people. A great many people are stepping up both in the online world and in the offline world. And all we must be able to say is onward my beloved Filipinos, we believe.
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Nick,
If you think of it, we are the one that knows better. Maybe we should sue this site to put an end to it. Let’s use the rule of law. ANtipinoy domain name is already discriminatory and libelous against the people in the first place.
Attn JCC,
how and where do we file a case of libel against antipinoy? Antipinoy is a domain name . A domain name is a forward looking statement that adds value. The site owner neglect to use the proper /right domain name that can support its credibility and specific purpose to its customers. In fact, it intented to hurt an individual who is not even in politic. thanks…
If it is registered in the US, can I file a complaint against the site. I imagine I can..
Nick, thank very much for changing the video. I really appreciate it. thanks again and kudos to you.
Making a Movement
Nick,
I commend you, for exposing this excellent column. It is truly your passion to uphold what “Filipino Voices” stands for. Not just for an individual but as a Pilipino society.
It is nice to hear the primary impetus for the FV’ers endeavor is the need to constructively address the marginalized situation of persons who have a naturalistic view for our Filipino society. Best yet! Our HERITAGE.
If this “Filipino Voices” is to be successful over the long term, then politicians, media, do-gooders, friends and family, acquaintances and employers will acknowledge and justly attend to the [voices] of the many and diverse here on “Filipino Voices”
Thanks Nick. You have touch my heart.
You have put me in a rightful place.
I agree but I wish FV will remove the yellow Video of Noynoy on the right hand side of its front page. The site should be non partisan. A yellow video of almost 2 weeks duration is clearly unfair to the commenters who are still in the process of choosing who to vote.
Equal opportunity starts on the front. Remove it please or else… makatilaw gyud mong tanan… :D
Hindi ka rin OA leytenian…
leytenian: why should FilipinoVoices, BarrioSiette or quezon-dot PH be non-partisan?
Mike H,
FV with a domain name filipinovoices.com is aiming majority or in general term. Its initial agenda made known on its “about page” must continue. To devise a recent agenda like supporting a presidential candidate is in direct conflict to its original purpose. If Noynoy will only get 28% of loyal voters is a minority in comparison to the majority regardless of how the remaining 70% vote. Even if Noynoy will become president, the site is isolating itself from opposing views- required for true democracy.
To design website loyalty, FV must respect the majority and endure new arrivals to be involved regardless of their party affiliation. A site cannot be “flip flopping” at its own convenient when there’s a temporary event- the election. Modification must be transparent and must be fully disclosed at a convenient time. Modification must further the goals that FV has already established, and to fill the needs of the audience members it already have. If an organization already has a purpose, use the site to reflect and enhance that purpose to the general public.
I cannot speak for barriosiete and quezon.ph. I don’t normally go there. However , they are individual sites so they can speak freely. FV is unique ( copied by antipinoy :D ). On FV’s front page, there’s a link that says “contribute”. To ask the public to contribute is clearly for anybody. The reason why I’m here- enjoying diversity.
Now, if cocoy and Lila will support for noynoy and contribute their articles here at FV then its their individual choice not FV. I can respect that.
The yellow video is not an article with a comment section.
i am a regular reader of both FV and antipinoy. I dont really see nothing wrong with anti pinoy. I actually find the more good articles AP . while most article in FV are pa tweetums.
So common nick, Both FV and AP has the right to exist!
Yeah, but I notice u say one thing to my face on FV and another about the exact same issue on AP. Makes people wonder where u really stand, rego. Kindly have the…, er, courage to say what u want to say to me to my face. I’d have a whole lot more respect for u if u did.
rego: I wouldn’t worry much about either antiPinoy nor FilipinoVoices causing one or the other site to shut down. Bert can always go to antiPinoy and post a scathing post to disagree with what benign0 may have posted, and of course, bongV can do the same to harangue joeAm about a joeAm comment here on Filipino Voices. But the effort and resources required to cause another blogsite to shut down is quite intense.
Uh, Up n? No one’s afraid to go into antipinoy. We just don’t wanna give them more traffic by engaging with them there. We post our responses elsewhere. They do the same thing by posting their positions about us on their sites rather than here on FV.
That’s how my beef with Benigs started — he posted pieces about me rather than engaging with me directly. In my book, that’s the mark of a coward.
since when has rego ego said anything substantial? tweetums daw o, how sweet, and deep.
barf.
Anti-pinoy has a right to exist, just like the Ku Klux Klan
Oh, I’m not suggesting we shut them down. I’m not even saying we should sue them.
In case u may have missed it elsewhere, I myself am not into censorship or banning people from sites. I’m just for respectful but active moderation, which is ultimately minimally invasive.
They can do whatever they want. But so can we. As long as it’s legal and above board. We have every right to respond, and we will.
Lila,
I;m not for shutting down anyone for that matter, that’s why I said AP has a right to exist just like the KKK
I know, Manuel. I meant I’m not for shutting them down either. They can go ahead and rant. But we can go ahead and expose them for all they’re worth.
You know what page I am on, Nick.
Coconut
To be identified a coconut
Historically, really, an insult
For he who is labeled a coconut
Is apparent to have betrayed his root
A natural in white nation he’s not
He’s brown-clad yet call his fellow a coot
Oh, my…from where he belong he forgot
No doubt a coconut as a result!
—–
The amazing Coconut described here…
one of logical problems u find urself in if u think the filipino has intrinsic flaws (e.g. lazy, etc), and yet profess that the philippines can be a better place, is to believe that an intrinsically flawed person can somehow is flawed enough to exhibit flaws, yet is NOT flawed enough to change.
this is a strange position to have. strange not coz its impossible, but because its what the movie “good will hunting” calls a “super theory”. it has a benefit of being ALWAYS right (i.e. filipinos are both lazy and not lazy at the same time), and impossible to disprove.
@Gabby,
Since I kept on hearing about good will hunting and this super theory, i tried to look at the transcript of good will hunting.
The superstring theory:
(Nsa agent recruiting Will)
I guess you don’t mean this,so i tried Super Philosophy.
The way I understand it is that he never had the heart to tell her that it was she(the late wife) who released a small amount of methane,nitrogen ,carbon dioxide,etc. because It does not matter, everything was still wonderful not withstanding the idiosyncracies.
Thank u for stepping up to the plate, Nick. And welcome back.
Now we don’t need to “ransack” or hijack anyone’s threads (as per Rochelle, at any rate) and can discuss something that has been on the minds of many here and definitely needs to be addressed. May I suggest that those who may not know what this is all about read Barrio Siete’s “It’s Getting Nasty Out in the Pinoy Election Blogosphere.” And that’s not even the half of it.
Antipinoy, Get Real Philippines, Unmoderated Filipino Voices, utak tilapia and utak pugita. There r clear connections. All I will say is that we know far more about them than they may realize, and their deeper agenda is becoming increasingly evident. I will go into this at the right time. But a legal case will only bring them notoriety, and they have already been using conflicts with some of us to boost their ratings. It’s a pretty cheap trick, but some apparently aren’t below stooping to it. Why give them more blog hits?
Ben’s a half-White guy trying to hustle a business who has a vested interest in endorsing Gordon: they’re related. Bong’s busy opening websites in Arizona, etc. His Dad hobnobs with US officials. They’re both neo-cons who r very pro-American and I suspect want charter change so foreigners can have 100% ownership of Philippine companies. There is a Gordon/Mindanao link because the US, among others, wants its hands on Mindanao’s endless resources. Note that Davao contributed a lot to the Red Cross during Gordon’s time.
They hate Noynoy because he won’t touch his Mom’s constitution. Their dislike of Noynoy is distinct from those of others here who simply prefer Gibo or Villar, etc, which is certainly not a problem. Noynoy has been their agenda from the get-go: 90% of the posts on Get Real r about Noynoy. Why? Because they stand to lose a lot if Noynoy wins. So it’s a concentrated campaign to demonize a candidate and his supporters. But the point is that Gordon is willing to sign off far more to the US than most Filipino patriots r willing to accept.
I, for one, am not against constitutional change as such, but think there should be a plebiscite and it should be discussed nationally outside the context of a presidential election. It should most certainly not be enacted simply to extend GMA’s stay in power. After all this noise that Bong and Ben have been making, I have started to wonder MORE about Gordon’s motivations, despite his flamboyant statements about Bangit and Villar. Like Enrile, I wonder if these hits r hard enough, or if they r simply for show to placate the general public. I find it odd to routinely see people in Makati sporting the green AND red bracelets on their wrists at the same time: what does that mean? I’m surprised they don’t even bother to be more subtle.
I for one am not willing to sig off this country to GMA and to greater foreign interests, which is why I am not for charter change right now. I believe the Filipino middle class desperately needs to grow, and needs to be given a chance away from the stranglehold of monopolies and foreign corporate interests. I think the Philippines should primarily be owned by Filipinos.
Quite simply, most of the anti-pinoy r not here, nor do they appear to be involved in serious projects to help the country from abroad. In the end, their moral commitment is minimal. I am home now, and Nick, leytenian and Miriam plan to come home too. Even if some of us r on different sides, at least there’s a genuine level of commitment there.
So I would suggest that we be precisely what they r not willing to be: pro-pinoy, respectful of difference and deeply constructive, so that one day we can contribute to policy makers who genuinely want to enact social change.
It’s a whole lot better than ranting and raving on the margins, nostrils a-flarin’, feeling as self-righteous as an indignant child.
@lila
u dont really need to invoke the “conflict of interest” story at this point.
anyone interested in foreign ownership liberaliztion should think about the most basic issue: is there is a strong case for changing the foreign negative list or landownership rules?
Yes, agreed, GabbyD.
Lila: How dd yu find out about bong’s dad and bong’s bsiness? Did you hire someone or is just a website? I ask becuz I am curious locatin ex-grlfrind — house or work. She moved to USA bout 4 yrs ago after divorce. I asked her best friend who is now in California but she dont know also.
lila
so all those sites belong to Benigno the guy from australia who used to post comments here in FV?
Oh, I’ve been researching them for a while now, and I have some wonderful friends who go out of their ways to help me. My suspicions were raised by their unusually aggressive tactics. Generally, the opposition bands together, helps one another and attacks the administration, right? Saan na kayo nakakita ng opposition who spends more time attacking another opposition member rather than the current president or the administration candidate? Halata niyo — no comment sila kay Gibo, Villar or Erap? Not even one meaningful swipe at Villar in websites that focus almost solely on Noynoy? Bakit? Take a guess, guys.
Sina Chino Fernandez (free-lancer, writes college papers for plagiarists abroad), etc, mga true believers lang iyan. Mga inosente, who know nothing about Gordon’s human rights record in Subic, etc. That’s why Ilda can’t write a paper about Gordon for FV and keeps complaining that I don’t write one for her (huh…?; why me??). Kulang kasi sa info iyan beyond propaganda. Pero sina Bong V and Ben K, I’m not convinced. May deeper agenda iyan.
That’s the new margin, guys, now that the Left has become “mainstream,” and former activists have become yuppified. It’s a disgruntled neocon space in the era of Obama and liberal leanings. Rush Limbaugh and Palin supporters. They rant and rave, and no one even knows they exist (unless uhappen to be Gary Olivar). To me, it was a fascinating universe, because megalomania, narcissistic personality disorder, political naivete and opportunism converge with the genuinely dark forces of state control. Some of those kids r too simple-minded to see they’re being used by larger administration and foreign corporate interests. They think they’re being the “new Filipinos”. But then we were all galit sa mundo when we were in college, right? So I’m not so concerned about the kids like Iya, but the older ones like sina Bong and Ben, who should know better at their age.
Mike, have u tried Facebook? I’ll be happy to help.
Manuel, I’ll answer all that at the right time. I assure u it’ll be a pleasure…
P.S. And I’m not even offended by what they’ve said about ME. The racism I’ve had to deal with abroad is a lot more than Bong’s puny jibes. I mean, it’s kinda funny for a Pinoy to be looking down on an Indian, either financially or culturally, unless they’re unusually promdi in the first place, right? Even the US is making nice to India at this point because they’re the ones with all the money! U’d have to be pretty uninformed not to know that… ;-)
But I don’t appreciate all women being called pokpoks and people like Cory who should now be left to rest in peace (regardless of what u might have thought of her administration) routinely referred to as b…ches. It’s misogynist and it’s wrong, and we shouldn’t ever tolerate it. I wonder what Bong’s mother would have to say about that. Even in the US, where freedom of speech is sacred, u can’t go around calling people niggers. The fact that Ilda never said anything to them openly about how they treat women is particularly striking: what does that say about her own self-respect as a woman?
At any rate, they finally picked the wrong person to mess with, because I take great exception to people who r racist, sexist and homophobic, and who show deliberate disrespect for the dead. Of all the things they said and did (the blogs, the tirades, the false claims of having met me), the latter was the one thing I found to be genuinely unacceptable. And it’s not because it was Cory Aquino specifically, but because the woman is no longer on this earth to defend herself, and we therefore have to do it for her.
@lila
i’m interested in gordon’s alleged human rights violations. where can we find details on this?
Gabby, I suggest starting with “A Day in a Life in Olongapo” by Buraot, Parts 1-3, which is posted in barrio siete. The rest I will be writing about myself, so u might have to wait until i finish the two pieces I’m working on now.
ok. look forward to reading what u have 2 say.
I guess graduate na si Benign0 kay ERAP. His reason for starting getrealPhilippines is all because ERAP won in 98.
Right Benigz???????
If writing against Noynoy will go on for another ten years,(win or lose)which I believe is the age of getrealphilippines,then heaven help us.
@karl
yun ba ang simula? ah i c.
@Gabbby,
if benign0 wants,he can correct me.
Upon double checking getreal was founded august 1,2000
the erap impeachment complaint was filed october 2000,maybe ben is some kind of a manghuhula because of his impeccable timing.
@Gabby,
aside from Buraot’s blog
remember the night clubs at Subic, the prostitution dens,etc. I guess the buck stops with Dick.
The list goes on, so i better have a source:
http://2010.pinoyvotedotinfo/election-news/believe-it-or-not/richard-gordons-ouster/
http://2010.pinoyvote.info/election-news/believe-it-or-not/richard-gordons-ouster/
you guys could try the book titled, “Looted: The Philippines After The Bases” by Donald Kirk. you could google it and it provides some preview from inside the book’s pages. there it mentions the CIA link on Gordon and some items I was saying on my articles.
plus, up and coming: facts and lists that confirms of “collateral damages”.
Lila,
Foreign ownership is a complex issue. I disagree with your view. Maybe blog it so we can discuss it under a proper thread.
Joe
Sure, Mac. But I’m working on two other pieces right now and will only be able to get to it once both of them r done.
Multiple thoughts provoked by this blog:
1. Some criticisms are constructive, but are twisted through the prism of Filipino national pride as degrading. They are just criticisms, often with the ulterior motive of doing good. Foreigners know this well.
2. The Anti-Pinoy name, as I understand it, is not meant to be against Pinoys, but against the cultural (not racial) traits that hold the country back.
3. It is correct that the Anti-Pinoys have banded together to find strength in numbers, which tends to be a clannish tendency at best, and cowardly at worst, as they need the encouragement of their compatriots to stick to the negative slant on things.
4. It is sad that Filipinos so quickly go to the position that whoever does not agree with me is the enemy. There is evidently no word in any of the 114 dialects for “compromise” or “concession” for the good of others.
5. Calling others “disgraced” is name-calling and unnecessarily divisive, in my book. The AP writers often offer up insights that don’t come from any other source, so why try to condemn or squelch it. Calling them dishonest presumes you know what is in their heart, so that is name-calling, too.
6. It is too bad that some good contributors went away, generally because they thought they were being censored or harassed by the moderation policies of FV.
7. Had there been more explicit, responsive, flexible moderation policies, perhaps we would still have the deeper if offensive insights of Benign0, the data of BongV, the practicality of UP n grad, and the foreign perspective of Ben K. Among others . . .
8. How do you build a unified nation if you are so busy attacking others? It seems to me that attacking the AP group is rather like doing what you condemn.
Joe
Come on, Jo. You’ve read some of the AP stuff: Nick the prick, Cocoy the ass-licking lover boy, Lila the moron and Bombay bitch, Abe the clueless imbecile, Reyna the pedophile/pig/monkey/AIDS-ridden queen, etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseam. THIS is what passes for public discourse in these parts? Calling someone disgraced is hardly the same thing, surely. Unlike the other words, there’d be no bleep if this would be on TV. And Nick’s entitled to his own opinion provided he doesn’t disrespect anybody, which he hasn’t.
They can share their views with others any time. But they’ll always get booted out until they learn to respect difference. It’s not about manners: it’s about a philosophical position. They think they know everything. Miriam, Leytenan and I don’t always agree, but there’s no problem between us at all because we accept difference.
I agree about the flexible and responsive moderation policies, but Nick has stepped up and promised to address this, so I suggest we all move forward.
“so I suggest we all move forward”
The best suggestion of the day.
Lila,
Just giving you my top-of-mind reactions. If I missed the writers at AP THAT much, I would go visit their . . . um, . . . trashy site to pay a visit. I prefer to build here then bear witness to a plane crash . . .
Joe
Lila,
Just giving you my top-of-mind reactions. If I missed the writers at AP THAT much, I would go visit their . . . um, . . . trashy site to pay a visit. I prefer to build here rather than bear witness to their plane crash . . .
Joe
I might have said that moving on was the best suggestion of the day, but i will never condone name calling. If I did it in the past to anyone then I apologize.
i agree about not being unnecessarily divisive.
“…Filipinos so quickly go to the position that whoever does not agree with me is the enemy.”
Hmmm Joe, it’s not as Black and White as it seems. Go search the phrase ‘if you’re not with me…’ and you’ll see that it goes way back to ancient times. Who was it that said: “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”?
Pinoys have one very useful word though. ‘Balimbing.’
“The Anti-Pinoy name, as I understand it, is not meant to be against Pinoys, but against the cultural (not racial) traits that hold the country back”
Joe,
benign0 has been doing that for almost a decade with his get real philippines web site.
Using someone’s (rather than misrepresent anyone)argument that it has reached the point where one is matter and the other is anti-matter.
numbers 5 and 8 seems to me like the pot calling the kettle black.
that can be remedied by using modern kitchen utensils and appliances.
lastly, I would like to echo the phrase I read when I was still a frequent visitor.
“Kapihan,hindi kampihan”
Karl: I have a bit extra to add with regards “kapihan versus kampihan”. If you want to get something done (and this is my opinion). If you want to get something done, “kampihan” is the required dominant theme. To get something done, people have to roll up their sleeves — people have to act, even if the action is as trivial as raising their hand to say “I agree”, or something as significant as raising vote “Aye! I agree!”. To get something done, “kampihan” gets the job done faster.
An example will be getting a bill passed into law. Kampihan — you have to people to line up behind you, you have to have people agree with you to the point that they talk to others so they agree with you, too. Eventually, the needed action — people putting signature onto piece of paper (or raising their hands in a voice-vote) — gets done and the bill becomes available for the president’s signature.
Often, you will hit opposition. All ideas that need action will hit opposition, either because “the opposition” does not like the color of your skin — not tsinoy or mestiso or you are FEU-grad, not University of Michigan graduate, or you are from Baguio, not from metro-Manila. Some opposition you can charm away with “kapihan”. Others… well, kampihan is still required. If the opposition are just doggedly against you, then you overwhelm them with kakampi — kakampi willing to raise a hand to support you. A woman — GMA — provides a good example of how to implement “kampihan” even if SWS surveys say that you are not popular anymore.
Kapihan is good for kapihan and chatting and communicating your ideas. But kampihan gets bills turned into law. Miriam Defensor Santiago can teach NoyNoy lessons about getting bills turned into law. She understands kampihan versus kapihan better than NoyNoy, in my opinion.
just read this UpNN,
good points!
JoeAm:
Maybe I have stayed away too long in a foreign shore because I am generally agreeing with your enumerated statements above.
There appears an ingrained tendency to taking too seriously and too personally disagreements, especially those couched in less than civil tones, to points considered extreme. A bit like cutting one’s nose to spite one’s face.
And we need to remember that sometimes not all battles have to be fought, others can be left aside or dismissed as unworthy or a waste of time and effort. Especially those amounting to no good end. That would be a better part of discretion.
We appear too easily inclined toward this path, which to me appears as futile exercise anyway since disagreement, or differences of points of view, is the heady spice that makes life as crazy as it is. And I daresay an attitude not limited to the milieu in the old homeland but also elsewhere where Filipino communities congregate.
Is it because we always like to have the last word? To deliver the coup de grace?
Joe,
This topic wil be deliberated temporarily. Tomorrow or the next day, this will become just a tiny part of FV and new topics will allow readers and guests to reevaluate and refocus. We as guests have a responsibility to forget and forgive. :D . The word “disgraced” is only lasting for a limited time with no malice or intent to hurt anyone PERMANENTLY so let’s relax and have a glass of tuba. The name calling Joe is temporary.
In contrast, Antipinoy is a domain name registered with a contract to be present in the blogosphere for a year or two or maybe 5 years. Its intention therefore, is to exist or function for a long, indefinite period without consideration to unforeseeable circumstances. It doesn’t matter if the site contains valid and useful arguments but the saying ” first impression last forever” may apply. Antipinoy is the most inappropriate and hostile domain name I have ever click online in my entire professional career. It’s a direct insult to human rights.
In tort law, any malice or state of mind with furtherance of actions is a liability to the site owner. The domain name antipinoy may have no room to apologize in behalf of its site -the domain name is permanent. Their interior motives can continue in a long period of time. I don’t think it’s purely political. I am sensing an individual person who has not recovered from a traumatic economic crisis. It reflects an individual’s lack of reason but then capable of adjusting himself when there’s attention provided by a mere two or three persons. In psychology, we call it denial. I am hoping that this person will move on to the next psychological stage of ACCEPTANCE. As I said, the domain name is permanent for a year or two. It will not change tomorrow or the next day.
I am person that cannot tolerate such abuse. I am trained to SUE.. goodnite. :)
leytenian,
Must be from California. Every Lawyers in town, wants to start a Law Firm here.
California is a well known for “SUE’ing the hell just about for anything and everything. LMAO!
i.e., “they’ll sue you, for tripping in front of your driveway…”
USA lawyers do have a trick to weed out nuisance cases (nuisance to mean lawyer not getting paid for their efforts). They always ask for an upfront retainer fee (unless they smell a slamdunk winning case like with car accidents or scalding-hot McDonald’s coffee spilled on your lap)
LOLOLOL, Mario. i’m not from California but Florida. i haven’t sued anyone yet. But for human rights? I think I can use my connections once and for all… good luck to me i guess. My demand is for antipinoy to change its website domain name. Antipinoy ( means against pinoy ) is a liability. That’s a lot of headache and time to explain in the court of law…
I am a Filipino! The anti-pinoys are attacking the Filipinos therefore they are attacking me.
I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND MYSELF.
Anyone who wants to defend and side with the anti-pinoys, kabayan man or foreigner, in their attacks on the Filipino people better be aware that we are not a race to be trifled with. Please be warned.
bert: benK, a few others at antiPinoy can really post toxic comments, but they welcome comments from any and all. So, when you are ready to do battle, go post your disagreements mano-a-mano at antiPinoy. Just be prepared to get toxic flak and taunts if benK, jet hernandez, others of antiPinoy disagree with your blogcomment. BUT… they welcome both gentlemen and kantoboy comments, and they will let any comments you post stay.
antiPinoy apparently is a site that believes in this quote from an American leftist philosopher professor.
If we do not believe in freedom of speech (and to blog comment) for those we despise then we do not believe in freedom of speech at all.
Or this one from an American woman congressman.
The only way to make sure people you agree with can speak is to support the rights of people you don’t agree with.
but upn, by being “toxic”, its difficult to have a real conversation. i tried.
ultimately, when they have no more arguments, it devolves to name calling at worst. at best, they repeat the team line, as if i hadnt presented any arguments.
i’m fine with freedom and all that, BUT ITS BORING to just call the other guy stupid, or “nonpoint getter”, or listening to the same points again and again.
but you know what, maybe i’m the one who’s weird…
you see, the reason i comment on political boards is because i want to learn. i want to ask questions of people who dont agree with me.
but from the 2 years i’ve been online, i’ve found that few people are willing to have a discussion. in my opinion, DJB is an example of someone i disagree with, but have had fruitful discussions with.
an example were our long long debates on english as medium of instruction/mother tongue. i learned alot from that, mostly because he was willing to have a conversation about it.
people go online to tell people what they think, and will hold on to their position. no matter what.
i guess thats reality. but i was hoping for something different.
UPnn,
I am not here in FV for the purpose of doing battle, nonononono. But I’m not squeamish nor afraid to respond to attacks on my person or on my people. It always made my day, always. There is absolutely no reason for me to go that anti-pinoy site, no reason at all. no reason, zero, nada, zilch. I know those guys for a long time already, their bellicosity against their own people is their lifeline. I’ve read everything they have to say, they’re the same bellicose words repeated over and over again, nothing new, Gabby is right, it’s so BORING.
GabbyD: I think that more than half-the-time, your way of striking up a conversation annoys benign0 and bongV. By that, I mean your style where you
assault someone withask (just see below) “but how do you know ???” or “..why do you say that?”.Both questions are easy to interpret as toxic (very mild to toxic-toxic, pick your severity) because the question asks for facts. Heck, even presenting a number can be interpreted as an assault, a toxic comment. Like thirty-five —- number of bills that NoyNoy successfully worked into a law.
… who needs facts when one already knows the truth?
“But how do you know???” will read like an intellectual question only if you have presented yourself as a kakampi to the one you question, or that he/she thinks that you are “making kapihan” as opposed to laying a trap).
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—Who needs facts when one already knows the truth?
If the blogpost or blogcomment you are responding to is already preachy-for or haranguing-against, the chances will be that any “…but how do you know??” response will be received as “mildly toxic” or even “toxic-toxic”. Do you know notice many preachy blogposts are based on self-evident truths? You don’t have to look at my blog comments, just check out MLQ3′s, or Lila’s blog comments, or joeAm’s, or leytenian’s.
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gabbyD: I agree. by being “toxic”, it is difficult to have a real conversation.
On the other hand…. they can’t just push distilled water into your vein, there has to be some semblance of toxicity in a vaccination shot.
UP
“they welcome both gentlemen and kantoboy comments, and they will let any comments you post stay.”
I guess that means they welcome traffic, any kind, as long as they get hits.
that’s because in the land down under or the vavavoom peninsula where bongv twirls his daquiri with his pinkie (dyoskoday! what does ‘v’ stand for?), they have all the time to blog because as second rate citizens in where they are, only in blogalandia could they find ego boosters. plus moolah. twenty four hours blogging? di ba career na yan?
so bring the traffic on. kawawa naman if you bump into pinoys begging in foreign lands.
Responses are always welcome subject to moderation
but point to good things that don’t hurt egos.
I believe this is about thinking the same principles
and valuing differences to understand kakampi.
Subject to moderation. Criticism is useful.
You (FV) are too obsessed with the AP crowd. IMO, you should focus on the reasons why neutral readers are increasingly shying away from your site.
Is it because of the “censorship”? Is it because of the obvious bias towards one candidate? Or is it because of the “holier-than-thou” attitude?
All of the above?
how do u know readers are shying away? is there a unique visitor bot ur using?
also, i looked at your comment about FV claiming to speak for the filipino people.
i think ur interpretation of it is exaggerated. first it never directly claims to speak for everyone. all it says that the blog is an “start” of a filipino presence online that has ambitions in the wider world.
1) how can u interpret “start” to be “speak for everyone”?
2) the about paragraph is an example of a mission statement. MS’s are designed to be ambitious and hard to achieve. thats the point of it.
shying away from FV, Neil? but you’re still here so what you’re saying is not true, :).
IN some ways, the comment by neil is true
neil,
“neutral readers” ” might not be accurate descriptions. There is no such thing as a neutral reader in this type of blog.
As to “shying away” well that happens when one does not like what he reads. But you could be missing the fact that the majority of those who visit blogs are lurkers. Commenters comprise a small minority of visitors, the ones who read not only a post but also the comments thread. This is where you see people coming and going.
I think what’s happening is less of shying away than a migration pattern. There’s a new blog, people visit, some [ost comments, they engage for a time, and then they move on to other blogs and engage there. It’s like going to cocktail party or any party for that matter, you mingle, you don’t get stuck with one group the whole time.
is @neil an internet newbie??
the internet is free.
FV and AP are free blogs. people read multiple sites.
people come and go as they wish.
bias? is Fox news biased? is the New York Times center-left? is Le Monde left of center? is the Telegraph conservative? Does that stop you reading/watching them? Or do you do a little bit of critical thinking?
there are days when FV articles are boring… there’s always pep.ph
People come and go as they wish? To where? To FV? How? Through Google?
I don’t think people come and go “as they wish” to FV just because it is “free”. IMO, they come here, they came here because, they believe/believed that reason and wisdom is/was here, not because it is “free”. I came here because Nick – the leading light of our fight against a bigoted society columnist of the Manila Standard Today – is here. I came here because DJB was here. I came here because MLQ3 used to come here.
Why are you here, @thenashman? Don’t tell me just because you are bored, and it’s “free” anyway. You could always go back to PEP.ph if you get bored here, too. It’s “free” anyway.
I’m not familiar with those foreign news outlets that you rattled off, but yes, I stopped watching ABS-CBN news and current affairs programs since they became too obvious.
I don’t come here for the names. I come here for the articles.
MLQ3, DJB, Barack Obama also come out with crap articles once in a blue moon the same way that Rembrandt did not always churn out masterpieces.
I don’t do personality cults.
If you are here only for those people and won’t watch ABS-CBN just because it leans towards one ideology/candidate, then you are just circulating in a very tiny clique.
Be adventurous, go read Manila Standard. Absorb Belinda Olivares Cunanan, fetch Conrado Quiros from his long daze in Cory’s wake.
You cannot reaffirm your beliefs by sitting in the choir, otherwise, kayo kayo lang naglolokohan.
Pep.ph…what does it teach me? Macroeconomics and the level of political stability. Go figure.
ahhhh, si DJB. Sabi ga ba ni DJB : Ang pikon, talo. Ang daming napipkon kaya nagsisgurong hindi talo.
@thenashman: I figure you don’t get it do you? When I said that I came here because of Nick, DJB and MLQ3 – and of course, the witty Benign0 and the brilliant Bencard – I meant that I already knew these people for their reason and wisdom and followed them here in FV. I’m sorry if it did not come clear to you.
I assure you, I’m not into “personality cults”, the way the “loyal human consort” of Karl Willem and Gromit – whoever they are – obviously is. :lol:
Tutuo namang nakakaubos pasensya pag mabasa mo ang mga salitang maaring hindi sadya ngunit malinaw na pangungutya sa Pilipino, na para bang hindi natin talos ang kalagayan, at pabaya nating ang mga pangyayari dito. Ako’y may sariling mga gawaing balak kung wala pa ring mabuting kalalabasan ang halalang darating, at aking iaalay ang natitira ko pang panahon dito sa lupa para sa aking bayang mahal.
Ceasefire!
Manny Pacquiao – Clottey this weekend. Ihanda na ang ihawan.
A los contra Filipinos, con mi descansos a Don Jose Rizal (descanso es idioma Filipina, En Castellano la idioma es “disculpas”)
“¡Ah, EL CONTRA FILIPINO siempre inexperta y soñadora, siempre corriendo trás las mariposas y las flores!…. ¿qué quereis? ¿qué vais á ganar?”
Con CONTRA FILIPINOS, me gusta seria tan como Don Simoun!
Lee
“¡Nitro-glicerina! murmuró Basilio, retrocediendo y retirando instintivamente las manos. ¡Nitro-glicerina! ¡Dinamita!
Y creyendo comprender, se le erizaron los cabellos.
¡Sí, nitro-glicerina! repitió lentamente Simoun con su sonrisa fría y contemplando con delicia el frasco de cristal; ¡es algo más que nitro-glicerina! …… ¡Esta noche volarán pulverizados los tiranos más peligrosos, los tiranos irresponsables, los que se ocultan detrás de Dios y del Estado, y cuyos abusos permanecen impunes porque nadie los puede fiscalizar!’
Isnilarawan na rin ang kamalayan ng Anti-Filipino. Di ba ayon sa di nagbabagong panahon si Rizal? Pag nagtitimpi, ang galing ng wikang Kastila! Ngunit sa kalayaan ng pagsusulat, marahil sa panitikan lamang maiisip gumawa ng ganyang dahas laban sa mangaapi!
It is not that we dont love the Philippines. We are frustrated on
the people running it. How do you feel when you are frustrated?
Shout on top of your lungs!
You’re absolutely right, what can we really do? Anyone with a program besides fingering the keyboard get it out now.
macapili,
What we as Filipinos can do:
• Start writing or call, our “Representatives”
• Start writing our “Congress[wo]man”
To let them know, where we stand on certain issue(s) and, also before the “Bill” gets pass, before Congress.
Matagal na akong nag-eemail sa mga senador at congressman. May mga position papers pang ipinadala. Pero mukhang pasok sa mata, labas sa tenga. O, baka ni hindi binabasa. Kelangan siguro, ibang sistema.
Mario,
On second thought, maybe a US postmark might be more effective. You may want to try. Here are the addresses:
Senators
Representatives
Good luck.
Basically those anti-pinoys are immigrants to other countries, they left the Philippines in search of a better life or whatever.
What I don’t understand is why they obsess about the Philippines when they should be concentrating on becoming a part of their adopted homeland.
I lived in the US for over a decade and I’ve noticed a similar phenomenon among some immigrants from other countries. They also look down on where they came from, they obsess over it, follow all the news about it etc. They can’t seem to get over it and face the fact that they need to get involved where they are living at present not in the country of their past.
They should be discussing what’s going on in their adopted home, bitch about whatever they want to bitch about against whatever in their adopted home.
What people do in the country they left behind is none of their business anymore, just like they have no business how the Kazaks, or the Haitians etc choose to live because they don’t live in those countries, they are not a part of what other countries do.
That’s why I like Joe. He moved to our country and he got involved. He may say things some of us find disagreeable but he has every right in the world to speak, to praise or to criticize everything and anything, because he lives here and what happens here affects him. He was not born Filipino but right now he is more Filipino than those who were born Filipinos but chose to settle down in some other country.
Butt-out is all I can say to anti-pinoys who live in other countries. You don’t live here anymore; get a life and live it in your adopted country
Basically those anti-pinoys are immigrants to other countries, they left the Philippines in search of a better life or whatever.
What I don’t understand is why they obsess about the Philippines when they should be concentrating on becoming a part of their adopted homeland.
I lived in the US for over a decade and I’ve noticed a similar phenomenon among some immigrants from other countries. They also look down on where they came from, they obsess over it, follow all the news about it etc. They can’t seem to get over it and face the fact that they need to get involved where they are living at present not in the country of their past.
They should be discussing what’s going on in their adopted home, complain about whatever they want to complain about in their adopted home.
What people do in the country they left behind is none of their business anymore, just like they have no business how the Kazaks, or the Haitians etc choose to live because they don’t live in those countries, they are not a part of what other countries do.
That’s why I like Joe. He moved to our country and he got involved. He may say things some of us find disagreeable but he has every right in the world to speak, to praise or to criticize everything and anything, because he lives here and what happens here affects him. He was not born Filipino but right now he is more Filipino than those who were born Filipinos but chose to settle down in some other country.
Mind your own business is all I can say to anti-pinoys who live in other countries. You don’t live here anymore; get a life and live it in your adopted country
You are absolutely correct MB. Home is where the heart is, it is said and I’v really juat been watching the exchange as this issue about being anti-Filipino has permeated the air in the Pinoy blogosphere this pat several days if not weeks.
I must admit to being peeved at the manner certain criticisms which I felt had taken on racist connotations. It’s the communication process dynamics at work here, I submit.
While the messenger may sincerely be constructive in his/her intent the manner he pts it across can and do ruffle feathers.
I trust JoeAm, whatever his real name is, has adopted the Philippines as a second home because he feels there is a future.
For this, I owe you, Joe, an apology of having snapped at some of your criticisms of Philippine society.
This IS my only home, you see.
So when I sense someone appears to be gutting it I react, and react with a passion.
This is not about being onion skinned.
I humbly consider myself a patriot, with allegiance to only one flag ad one nation. So there.
Still and all I am not and never will be xenophobic.
We are a melting pot, the Philippines is, in the same where that America is.
So go ahead, do keep on speaking out and we will listen.
But in doing so, the seeming smugness and ‘up-on-a-high-horse tone is not necessary.
God bless y’all.
MB
Thanks.
Ding.
Hey, when you snap, I generally deserve it, so no apology needed. You should hear what my (college age) daughters call me when I get to pontificating . . .
I trust that you can sort out the grain from the shift, delete the f, quite well.
Gene
Nice.
….lalo na yung mga nakatira sa ‘first world’ country pero ‘third world’ naman ang pag-iisip. they have kept their standards low.
also, there are so many pinoy ghettoes now with TFC satellite dishes still watching wowowee (paminsan-minsa ok lang, but to spend your entire weekend?)..and then they complain about being treated as 2nd class citizens when they should be engaging in the local community.
pero one cannot begrudge naman the others, the non-immigrant OFWs, who have to live in both worlds because they have family back home and half their income is sent back to fluff up GMA’s ‘strong republic’
Hahahaha, Nash! Napatawa tuloy ako. U r too funny. :D
So true, Mr. Nashman. And to be fair for a few dollars more they can also have Eat Bulaga and the whole shebang in the other channel. HiHihi.
But be cautious because those same families still have the old homeland in their minds, and this silly diversion is only one reminder for them about it.
In the three decades I have stayed there, I have conducted this test to peer into their deepest thoughts (Ahem!). In conversations, I would throw this rather innocuous question whether in English or in their vernacular: When are you going home?
For most if not all of them, limited to first generation Filipino immigrants, without hesitation they will name a date approximate and a place in Metro Manila, Luzon, Visayas, or whatever. And very rarely to a place in the US, where many may have lived for ages. So unconsciously, home is still the old homeland. Still as Filipino as a homebound Filipino can get, thus their unwitting confusion with their perceived second-class citizen status.
Can they be tagged as disgraced Filipinos?
Papaano naman ang lola’t lolo ko, walang makausap. Kaya laging nasa wawawe dahil may nagsasalitang Pilipino. Hindi daw niya gusto ang seenen at dora.
Me, I do not have problems sa Pinoys who are now Canadian or USA citizens. To ask them to mind-your-own-business forget Pilipinas, over the limit, sa wari ko. Eh these Pinoys katulad ni Abe Margallo (USA)… teka, a better example is vic (in Canada). Normal na sila ay kibo pa rin ng kibo tungkl sa Pilipnas hind lang sa may ari-arian pa sila sa Piipinas, marami pang kaklaseng nasa Pilipinas, at ang mas tunay ay dahil meron pang kamg-anak sa Pilipnas, ayaw pa nilang kalimutan, okay lang.
Mike H
I think your relatives and classmates back home are capable of taking care of themselves. You really don’t have to speak up for them.
Hey, we still have our parents, brothers, sisters, etc…left behind.
If they are suffering. We are also suffering.
My high school and college alums and many Pinoys no-longer-in-Pinas (Abe Margallo and supremo, also vic (in Canada), Anna deBrux, Lila while working in Manhattan, Cory even when she did not want to return to Manila anymore when she/Ninoy were in Boston) will disagree with this assertion:
What people do in the country they left behind is none of their business anymore.
Even reyna elena had said :
ang di marunong lumingon sa pinang-galingan eh nadadapa at nale-lechehan
ManuelB: Filipinos are average, average to mean that like other nationalities, Filipinos pay some attention to what happens across continents. Just look back to the blog comments on FilipinoVoices about Neda, the girl shot thru the heart by a sniper during demonstrations against Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
And when you add two practical matters — (1) personal property (land, houses, others) left behind and (2) concern for family and clan-members still in Pinas — Pinoys now citizens, immigrants (legal or illegal) in Canada, Australia, France, or UK consider it their business what happens in Pinas.
ang LAKI-LAKI ng internet! as in ginormous. there’s something for everyone.
why is there even a discussion on FV vs AP???
hello?
oo nga naman.
This is a reminder to every Filipino, here or abroad. [Click here]
Damn typos…
You people can’t handle tough love and tough medicine. We should all find the faults and weaknesses of all sides to get a good conclusion.
Exactly! Something feels wrong to many of FV’s long time readers when AP becomes the object of your anger and hatred over and over again. If you ask me, that doesn’t seem fair especially when you don’t allow them to reciprocate. If you people won’t face those AP folks you hate so much, you’re just wasting our time because your readers don’t need to be dragged into this “blogger war” crap.
My thoughts, exactly.
FreeSince09, Fagen, Neil
First, let’s forget who we are trying to vote for.
If we are talking about constructive criticisms, AP does not have one on their agenda, rather than building our Filipino Society, they[AP] tear down our Social Heritage.
If AP is to promote a positive structure into our Homeland, AP needs to establish a good communication in our government systems. To present to our “Senates” and our “Representatives.” rather than attacking certain individual here on FV.
If AP will agree to this, our common “FOE” is not ourselves but the coercion of our government. And this obvious…!
Or do AP’s have the intellect to call or write their “Senates” and “Representatives.”
Ooops!
“ ….And this obvious…!
Correction:
And this “is” obvious…!
Mario:
The day a Filipino who wants performance, STOPS voting for SLACKERS – will be the day when the voters no longer become the foe – till then, Pnoys get the government they deserve – they voted for it – NO ONE ELSE.
you don’t build a new house on a foundation of termites – you destroy the old foundation all the way.
BongV,
Have you written our “Senators” our “Representatives” in regards to your concerns. To put your two centavos worth, to better benefit our Filipino Society.
My question, who’s foundation are you trying to destroy. Can you please clarify?
“For that matter, DEGRADING our Filipino Society“
Sorry for the delayed response, Mario, but I haven’t been visiting this site as much as I used to. Anyway, I don’t think AP is guilty of anything that relates to the statement above. While it may be hard-hitting at times, I can see what they’re getting at. The common foe to me is ourselves (well…most of us, for that matter) due to the way we vote (among MANY other things). You may agree to disagree with AP’s style, and I won’t have a problem with that. So please take this (and my comment above) as my two cents…and nothing more worth issuing a rebuttal to. As for me, I’ve got better things to do on the internet…so I hope to run into you again some time in the future…maybe on an FZ site…or maybe even back here, who knows? ;)
mario,
Oh I get your point about uniting against a common enemy and preserving social heritage. The problem is when that culture translates into:
1. Electing morons, thieves, warlords into office… where someone like moi has to scream in the streets later on na PROSPERO NOGRALES! TRAYDOR SA BAYAN! GET MY POINT HERE?
2. Creating an environment where we condone laziness and conformity. Not really accepting that their are other problems aside from problems from the top.
KABATAAN sa PARTYLIST!!! SATUR AT LIZA SA SENADO!!!
FreeSince09,
Have you ever thought, when you “Dumped A Load” and wonder, did I do that, did that come out of me.
Sure in the Hell did…! Well, now you’re cleanse. Go out there and, help promote to better our “Filipino Society”
To quote from someone’s platform…
I do like to reiterate that the Anti-Pinoy I think has always been welcome in FV. It has only been recently that they have been moderated because of provoking fights, name-calling, and generalizations that caused them to be censored. It was not their opinions but of the method they like to promote their opinions which I think makes a big difference.
Just as countries or ideologies would like to promote peace by wars, promote equality by murder, or promote religion by suicide bombing, this radical/extreme form of expression will eventually be “mitigated”.
Riiiiiiiiiiggghhhttt
Listen, when someone calls a spade a spade that is not extremism. It’s called observation. Name calling, ad hominems etc. does not reduce nor render their arguments ineffective.
If their actually very people have the stomach their works it’s because we don’t understand the value of being lectured on how to teach the people. Pointing out dysfunctions in Pinoy society is the first of many stages to recovery.
Ika nga you can’t cure the problem if you don’t accept their is a problem.
the problem, free, is often, the attacks substitute for arguments.
True GabbyD.
They attack the Filipino people but they do it at the facade of constructive criticism.
FreeSince09,
Whatever you say dude, I’m not falling for it. I read the AP blog, everything they say is based on criticsm and berating of achievements of the Pinoy. When they argue they always mention generalizations with inferences not observations (usually are not backed up by references, stats, news items) and it’s always mainly to provoke and not to educate. It’s so obvious you can’t defend it unless your actually one of them.
Edward
I think it’s called reverse psychology. Their is probably some truth in what they say. It’s therefore important for us to discern the useful stuff and create a well dialectic somehow. I don’t agree with everything they say. But there is some truth when warlords get voted for 50 bucks and a bottle of TANDUAY. Instead of a reformist who’ll give you services later on.
Just a thought.
Well that may be true. But the truth in their assertions are 1 out of every 10. Their main selling point is their provocations to make quantitative debates which really goes nowhere and usually end up in personal attacks and enlarged egos.
so i stand corrected. it’s a rat that bit you.
so i stand corrected. it’s a rat that bit you.
Just my opinon . . .
On one side you have the editor who is responsible for the tenor and content of his blog site. On the other side you have a writer whose comment was banned.
The former is exercising his proprietary right and best judgment. The latter is angry because his free speech was violated by someone who judged him “not good enough”.
The goal of both is meaningful expression and, generally, the same ideals of free expression, a progressive nation, intelligent dialogue, education, and the opportunity to play a role in shaping ideas.
To get to a harmony of views, a community, a collective, the editor has certain responsibilities: to articulate what the editorial policies are, explain why they exist, and communicate with those whose writings are denied so that they understand the reasons for their “rejection”, for the hurt and anger of rejection is what attaches to the decline of one’s sincere contribution. FV does not always do these things well and therefore falls short of building a collective that is inclusive of all voices. This thread paints a certain group of Filipinos as disgraceful, which is not inclusive at all. It effectively excludes bright, edgy writers.
If you go back and enumerate the blogs that have generated the most vigorous debate, as well as a lot of hurt feelings, you would find Benign0. What kind of community is it that seeks to exclude a controversial mind from its ranks?
If the stack of “negative” writers gets big, it is because their perspectives exist and they advocate. If one is to outweigh them with positive debate, recruit positive writers with the intellect to oppose them with something other than names.
To get to a harmony of views, a community, a collective, the writer must give up a little of himself so that his community can survive. If he swears, and swearing is not allowed, he must understand why, and stop swearing. It is a small price to pay to build a community. In other circumstances, say warfare, it would be called sacrifice, patriotism, honor. Most writers are ego-bound and find concession difficult. They must try harder.
The AP crowd does not try hard enough, in my opinion, to build . . .
Joe
Edward, you’re for Perlas but no one has ever had a problem with your views (at least as far as I know). Your views r both strong and articulate, but u’ve never resort to mudslinging. U just say why u like Perlas and don’t like Noynoy, which is your prerogative. Frankly, I think Benigs and Bong could learn a lot from u. Of the three, u r the only one who is likely to convince any undecideds, that’s for sure. If anything, I would suggest that more undecideds r turned off by their tone than anything else.
Edward, Joe and Freesince09, there is no problem with calling a spade a spade. As I’ve tried to explain, most people here r pretty civil with one another even if they all hold different views. So just because one’s views or one’s candidate r being critiqued, I don’t think that in itself necessarily constitutes mudslinging. I maintain that, said respectfully, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM CAN ONLY BE VALUABLE, and I personally welcome it wholeheartedly. We can only grow and learn from critiques that r substantive and empirical, and those that force us to look at things in new ways.
But it’s a different matter when u engage in what is technically described as “hate speech.” Since some of the websites I mentioned above were opened abroad, it’s pretty easy to get them legally. If it were here in Pinas, I’d forget about it altogether. But some countries have pretty strict laws about cyber bullying and racist/sexist/homophobic language on the internet. If we wanted to go after them, it wouldn’t really be a problem. But we’d only be able to go after Benigs and Bong, unless we argued that the sites themselves foster hate, which they don’t necessarily always do. But the fact is that some of the language they’ve used is considered to be against the law in the US and Australia (we’ve already talked to a lawyer). I’m not interested in addressing this for myself, but will add that there have been quite a few people who r aggrieved so we could pretty easily take them to the cleaners. Not for the name antipinoy, as leytenian suggests, but for specific epithets. But I’m personally not inclined towards that direction because I don’t really feel that the group warrants the time or the money (altho two lawyers have already offered to work pro bono because of the insults towards Cory).
But that’s primarily Ben and Bong, altho it could certainly be argued that not all members of antipinoy jump on the bandwagon and some can think for themselves; that they’re not all dependent on Bong and Benigs for their ideas and can make assessments for themselves. I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but will observe that quite a few (Filo is a case in point) take Beings’ word for things and rarely bother hearing the opposite point of view. It’s almost as if they r brainwashed and believe everything they hear. I personally have never once seen anyone disagree with Benigs or Bong except PhilManila and Joe Am. Joe defended FV’s editorial policy and Phil told them that, if they talked about other candidates, he might even consider going back to AP more often. But, apart from that, I haven’t seen anyone else step up to the plate and think for themselves. R u sure this person is a clueless moron/arrogant SOB, Benigs/Bong? Do u think it’s right to talk about women that way, guys? NOT ONE person in all of AP indicated that talking about gays or women in the ways that they did was out of line. So, to my mind, it’s not an intellectually dynamic community because it seems to follow a kind of command culture, not unlike Gordon himself. Perhaps others in AP have stepped up and I simply haven’t been privy to it (and anyone is welcome to share their experiences here) but, in my experience at least, they pretty much follow the leader there. So I don’t agree with rejecting everyone from AP on FV (except for those who routinely show disrespect) but will add that I personally have little evidence to support the view that the group really does consist of individual thinkers.
The point is that all social spaces have ground rules and they simply need to be made clear to everybody. Each person is expected to adhere to them, with no exceptions. Everyone is free to think what they like, question what they like, critique whatever they choose and defend whomever they wish. But hate speech of any kind (whether racist, classist, sexist or homophobic, etc) will not be tolerated, unless it is in jest. Thread hijacking is also discouraged unless the topic is of burning importance. U can comment as much as u like but need to contribute a blog at least once a month. No need to moderate commenters by putting their opinions on hold (this will only open up questions about censorship). All comments should be accessible but, when the editor thinks someone is out of line with someone else (not for the content of their views but for the FORM in which it has been expressed), that person will be openly informed in a brief and polite way, so they can adjust accordingly. Attack of persons is strongly discouraged, altho attacking of ideas is greatly encouraged. If this is too much for one or two editors, then we could have a board for times when there r questions. This doesn’t have to be unwieldy if we ALL agreed on a system and adhered to it. We just need to iron out a few things so no one can accuse anyone of being dictatorial (as Benigs said of Nick) and we build on a comments policy that everyone is fairly comfortable with. Of course, I’m just a newbie and am not an editor here, but just thought I’d share my two cents worth.
Thanks.
Lila,
Makes sense to me. As for agendas that people pursue, I think everyone has them, including you and me. Indeed, the clash of agendas is where the sparks fly. Given enough sparks, there is light . . . where there is light, there is enlightenment.
I particularly like your point from earlier in the thread:
“So I would suggest that we be precisely what they r not willing to be: pro-pinoy, respectful of difference and deeply constructive, so that one day we can contribute to policy makers who genuinely want to enact social change.”
I look forward to arguing with you on issues pertinent to progressive social development of the intricacy that is the Philippines.
Joe
Lila has different ideas on how to run things and a
persevering approach to make this FilipinoVoices
more appealing. With Lila now in Manila, will she
then take more responsibilities over FilipinoVoices?
I won’t be surprised if she attract more visitors
and writers to FV.
Really??? Sue a USA-based website because they have blogposts and blog comments that you do not like? Wow! Keep posting what happens with this idea of yours. This is “freedom of expression” or even “right to ridicule past presidents” versus respect-for-elderly or similar. If you have money, go ahead, but my thinking is that a lawyer will take your case only so they get the retainer fee, not because they think you will win. After all, there is an obamaCrimes dotCom allowed to run, what more antiPinoy ?
I thought the issue has been decided long ago by the USA Supreme Court (as depicted in the movie “The People Vs Larry Flynt”).
the difference is obama is a political personality. there is much more leniency when it comes to hate speech vs political leaders. it is very different vs private persons.
regarding P vs Larry Flynt, lawyer played by Ed norton’s defence is freedom of expression based on satire.
the defense of satire rests on the notion that the allegations vs the jerry fallwell is so ridiculous that no one will ever think of it as a real accusation.
this is established law in the US, although i’m not sure how established this is in RP. i’d be curious to know.
I have spoken to two FIL-AM presidents yesterday in central florida and they are willing to support my complaint to antipinoydotcom which is hosted by godaddydotcom with an expiry date in August 2010 ( check WHOIS)
Complaints of libel and discrimination will be filed: 1. for godaddy ( to transfer domain name-dispute of libelous domain) 2. to the manager or domain owner antipinoydotcom
I don’t need a lawyer to file a case. Forms can be downloaded online. You guys can also file a complaint against the domain name. NOTE: focus your complaint on the domain name not the owner. Check also internic dotcom. You can file a complain to the hosting company and also to godaddydotcom
If you are a member of a FIL-AM org or any pinoy org overseas, ask your president or members to support you with your complaint. Download appropropriate form online ( google search para malaman niyo) to file a suit and mail it to the county court. There’s a small application or filing fee. Let the clerk of court do the work by sending a subpoena to the owner of the site. That should be enough to give headache while I am the comfort of my home.
It’s not about winning the case but it’s the process of changing a libelous domain name. Why can’t antipinoy change the name anyway if the purpose is to help the country? Why use a PERMANENT libelous domain where anyone oppose and write negative opinions temporarily thru its website topic and content at the comment section?
If Bongv owns the site and he lives in Jacksonville, I do know a lot of friends there in church Org and Fil-AM leaders. I really don’t like to embarass him but why embarass the country? So bongv, if its you , I am asking you to change the domain name PLEASE. I can file a complaint directly to the county where you live unless you like to go thru the headaches? Will be filing the case after 60 days to give antipinoy the time to change its DOMAIN name.
I am serious to use my broomstick :D
On getrealphilippinesdotcom, it used to have a donation box on its front page. I complaint about it last year here at FV when benigs was a conributing writer. A website can only ask for donation if it is registered as a non profit organization with a purpose and full disclosure of where the donated money will be spent and who will be the recipient. Although it can be legal to beg but ?????thanks benigs for removing the donation box.
I did check getrealphilippinesdotcome just now and the $25.00 dollars donation box is already gone on the front page. That issue has been resolved. If people will only be strong enough to speak their minds and apply the rule of law, justice can be served :D.
Dante, please read my post more carefully. As I said, it’s a different matter when u engage in what is technically described as “hate speech.” It’s not about liking the posts or not: it’s about exhibiting prejudice, which the US takes pretty seriously. Some countries have pretty strict laws about cyber bullying and racist/sexist/homophobic language on the internet. That’s just the way it goes. This is not just about antipinoy; it applies to many other sites as well. U can say what u want; but anyone can sue u whenever they want to.
That’s the way America works. To quote my lawyer: “Lila, in the US, u can pretty much sue a ketchup bottle if u want to.” It’s absurd, I know, but that’s the way things r over there. As u must all know, it’s a highly litiginous society. U say nigger or b..ch often enough in a site there and eventually you’ll get a notice in the mail pertaining to a suit. Whatever we might think of it, that’s one way the rule of law is maintained. I also explained that there r lawyers who have offered to work for free on this, so I’m not too worried about the cost. It’s not about Cory having been an ex-president; it’s because calling her a b..ch is considered to be sexual discrimination, period.
I appreciate leytenian’s efforts and think civil society complaints r probably a good way to go — that’s taken pretty seriously too. Again, I myself am not too interested in the legal route simply because we can always do it if we feel like it; there’s no burning need to do it right now. And, quite frankly, they aren’t my priority because there truly r bigger fish in the sea here. I’m much more focused on Villar at the moment. I’m just pointing out for others that it always is an option if you’re interested.
Me, I prefer to write and let my readers judge for themselves. I’m more interested in building FV and discussing social development with people like Joe, who always tends to help me ground my ideas better. Now I suggest we all move on to the bigger picture: rebuilding the blighted and fractured country those laggards have so indifferently left behind. Once the elections r over, I’m hoping we’ll all be working towards that common vision.
@leytenian
seriously? libel?
also, its illegal in the US to ask for money? really? whats the name of the law? websites allover the net ask for money to maintain their sites. especially really good celebrity fan sites. r u sure?
seriously libel gabbyd. :D
what law? the IRS on revenue code whether you are non profit or for profit. Paypal and anti money laundering law. Read its disclosure page. It is not illegal when it’s temporary like a death of a child or sickness unless you misrepresent what the donations are for. There are actually people who are internet panhandlers. For actors and actresses, they cannot risk their names in engaging an illegal transaction. An actress name can be her foundation’s name.( Foundation is a legal entity) Tell me which actor or actress who ask for donation without proper legal registration? i can guarantee you, with people of that high networth, they will not risk the consequence of the law. are you sure about your question though?
and Lila, i have provided antipinoy ample time to correct in 60 days.. LOL. On Villar go for it…
Lila has many new ideas — what about electing her to be Big Boss over FilipinoVoices? Woman Power is a good attraction too.
Lila,
The Philippines is not litigious enough, for sure. If the aim is social advancement, look at what has been done in the US since 1960, regarding race, gender, consumer products, malpractice, cigarettes, and a host of damaging practices previously permitted.
This is one of the reasons I argue for doubling the budget of the Judiciary and other steps to make Judiciary the “kitchen” for social change. That is, where the heat is, brought on mainly by those being damaged.
Joe
@leytenian
i was referring to fan sites, ie. websites owned by fans of a celebrity. they usually ask for money to defray the costs of maintaining the website.
now, as for paypal, i looked at the acceptable use policy. there is a list of prohibited activities.
charity (generally asking for money) is NOT one of them.
it says, it requires pre-approval. pre-approval is NOT the same as being prohibited:
link:
https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?&cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/AcceptableUse_full
My God! You ignoramuses don’t even know how to tackle the problem for what it is. COnstructive criticism!!!! SUING AP over “libelous” is one of the stupidest ideas i’ve ever heard. SOMEONE SCREAM ORWELL!!!
constructive criticism my puwet, calling their own people pigs living in pigsty. i can’t believe this.
Hey Bert, their latest is that Pinoys r “proto-humans” who r not worthy of being called Asians. Jeez — talk about self-hatred…
re: budget for the judiciary
Someone said, okey it’s benign0 that there are are a few lawyers in Japan but more Engineers.
Now, they will need those lawyers(but they can outsource).
His point was we have lots of lawyers .
We have lots of lawyers,the thing is most practice corporate law,election law,etc.
gabbyd,
paypal clearly stated what I was trying to say.
keyword: comply to applicable laws, all of your actions (to ask for donation is an ACT)
Ask for donation to maintain a website? how cheap naman. eh dito nga sa FV, libre tayo at masaya pa. if nick needs me to help. I will disclose and I will not use my donation as a tax exempt. Example: Nick will disclose that I donated to pay for one year for such amount then he will further disclose that FV’s yearly dues was donated by ME. In addition, Nick wil disclose no need to donate until next year. That to me is ethical behaviour.
now back to disgraced…
yes, of course — when u use a service, it is implied that u follow the terms of service.
klaro at obvious yun.
the point of disagreement is WHAT are the applicable laws? is there an IRS circular?
i know of no law that prohibits asking for money online. paypal doesnt prohibit it.
so why did u say it is illegal? maybe u were talking about making charitable donations tax exempt. kung ganun, i agree, there are US laws about that.
tama ba?
PS: the reason celebrity fan sites need cash is that they have lots of data they they host. these include photos and video and usually an online forum. FV has none of these.
if paypal does not accept money how can it be a channel for payments?
maybe use donatepal as an example instead.
lighten up,fellows.
haha.. donatepal… funny :)
i’m just trying to figure out why she says its illegal to ask for money online. this is the first time i’ve heard of it. she could be right — i’m just trying to figure out what the relevant law is…
on celebrities , which part of the world do they reside? if they are paying a salary to another person or services such as hosting companies to maintian their sites, the celebrities are solely responsible for their actions. They are still required to disclose – breakdown of expenses and report the salary as required by the IRS. Donation receive less than $25,000 requires special filing especially if the activity is on going.
lol, hindi nakatiis si karl… hehe. bakit naman kasi hihingi nang donation kung walang kapakanan… parang mga pinsan ko hingi nang hingi… haaayyyyy
“Why can’t antipinoy change the name anyway if the purpose is to help the country? Why use a PERMANENT libelous domain where anyone oppose and write negative opinions temporarily thru its website topic and content at the comment section?”-leytenian
Dear Leytegirl,
Be careful there, those anti-pinoy dudes might oblige you yet, and with their devilish snickering to booth, reading this proposal of yours.
Imagine benigz or BongV changing their domain name to “I-AM-A-PROUD-PINOY”, and you will be reading benigz comments in that site such as, “ang Filipino ay parang aso, mataas lang kapag nakaupo”, or the more common of his expressions, “Filipinos are idiots and morons”, then BongV agrees, with comment such as this, “spot on, benigz, you’re right, benigz, Filipinos are indeed pigs, living in pigsty”. Can you imagine that?
and then the anti-pinoy tseware-warewaps will do their chorus, “tsutsu-wa, tsutsu-wa” :).
bert, i don’t care if they will attack me personally. I am not onionskinned. LMAO. The form to file a suit is printed already.
They have now 59 days to clean up their mess. Countdown… tick tock tick tock tick tock….. :D
If you say you aren’t onion-skinned, why go to the extent of filing a case against them? Aren’t you taking this issue a bit too personally? I ask because a person who isn’t onion-skinned would normally ignore this and move on regardless of what anyone else says.
With the new Alice in Wonderland coming out, with the amazing Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter, I am reminded of the wise remark by, I think the hookah smoking caterpillar, that “a word means what I choose it to mean”, or somesuch.
The “Anti-Pinoy” title should be read in the context of the explanation of what the sponsors say it means, not what we take it to mean. Lots of people take me as arrogant because of the Joe America nametag, but that does not mean they are right.
I define it to mean a really upstanding guy who lived most of his life in America.
As for libel and slander, sue away . . .
Joe
Yes, Joe. The sponsors claimed the name ‘anti-pinoy’ to mean patriotism while calling their own people, including their own families, dogs and pigs living in pigsty. They’re ‘really’ upstanding guys, if you know what I mean, :-).
You might be agreeing with them on that issue so indeed you’re an upstanding American guy, heheh.
But I could be wrong, Joe, as usually I’m wrong. Sorry if I’m wrong.
Joe America can be fictitious but definitely not libelous. The name can be arrogant to those who don’t know him well. Acceptable enough as an individual commenter with Joe at the end. To use Joe America as a domain name can again connote arrogant and most likely , reflect the person who may own the domain name. But Joe here does not own a personal blog but a guest who is consistently nice to Bert. .antipinoy has 59 days to correct. :D
Arrogance pala…
Web site owners do not have to put up a non-profit organization to receive donations.
Anyway, Paypal donations to website owners are taxable.If the website is providing service, the donations are considered as streams of revenue. But the owners can also charge expenses spent for the maintenance of the web site such as domain registration, hosting, research, power`and utilities allotted to the portion of the residence used as office when blogging.
Some donations to bloggers are treated as tips which just like the gratuities received by waiters and others who are in the hotel, restaurant and service industry are also taxable and need to be reported. The purpose of the donation is for the website/blog to continue giving entertainment or relevant discussions.
The charitable and legitimate foundations or non profit organizations do not report and do not pay income taxes for the donations that they receive if they have met the IRS requirements for tax exempt status.
People who donate to the charities or npo with tax exempt status can deduct their donations from their income tax.
Not all donations can be claimed as deductions like the donations to the bloggers/website owners or to a fund raising which is not authorized for tax exemption purposes.
How do the Uncle Sam track down tax evaders? So many, don’t let me count the ways.
There are not so many donors from the philippines. Most of the donations come from foreign countries especially from people with credit cards.
Is it illegal? Nah as long as the recipients pay taxes. But I like the term used by Leytenian, internet panhandlers.
Yeah, there are a lot of them. Meron ngang blogger kinarir ang panghihingi. OOpss.
ah, ok. yeah, i felt that it wasnt illegal to ask for donations online.
panhandlers? medyo nega naman yan.
voluntary contributions to maintain a movement or site is not necessarily begging. in fact, it can be a good thing, creating a sense of community, etc…
gabbyd,
How much does it cost to maintain a website like benigno’s ? maybe less than $500.00 a year. To me, if you have the capacity and personal resources , you don’t need people to give you the money to pay for that even if we assume $1000.00/year. That’s cheap and very misleading to many people. I am in the impression that people who asks for donation online to maintain their sites maybe broke. If one is not financial stable then how can you be a role model if at personal level you cannot rise economically? Role modeling here still apply. hay naku kawawa naman….but why try to prove yourself if you can’t be somebody you cannot be? that’s a lot of work.
A good quality website that asks for donation will always attract readers and loyal customers in the long run. The result is an increase to revenue from donation thus will further promote the true advocacy of a website. If the site has existed for many years and yet until now keeps attacking people, what does it tell you about the manager of the site?
Hahaha — sinabi na nga mga duwag iyang mga iyan, e. They took down quite a few of the offensive articles na. Natakot yata sila kay leytenian. ;-) Lalo’ng lalo na yung chef d’oeuvre ni Bong na entitled: “Alice in Tililing Land,” all about yours truly. Di nila alam may mga screen shot na pala kami… :D
Sabi ng Mom niya, he’s really troubled — ever since pala. Black sheep. Doesn’t like women (twice divorced; no success ever since) and looks down on the Philippines. And he’s still receiving money from his parents pala. Poor guy.
P.S. Resentful daw because he could never live down being unfavorably compared to his Dad on a constant basis. As they say, the baggage of unaccomplishment…
Then there’s good old Benigs, who barely speaks a word of Tagalog. Pwede ba, no? Che. :D
Pwede ba naging kaopisina ko sya ano(benigs)? wag nya sabihin 10 years lang sya sa australia di na sya marunong magtagalog.
I read an article about him(entitled finding fulfillment in baby steps)(which is now deleted) na kesyo natatakot daw sya mag drive pag gabi sa pinas.
maniwala ako sa kanya, ang tagal nya sa pier.pag nagtrabaho ka sa pier, buo dapat ang loob mo kahit anong position mo.He spent his last years in the Philippines in a village near BF Homes LP, his wife workplace was just nearby. OA ang narrative nya na takot sya magdrive pag gabi at feeling di sya safe sa pinas.
moving on to Bong.
Bong calls himsels sanamagan.
His father was a director of a hospital in Davao, why should he compare himself to his dad, iba ang niche nya, more on supply chain management and IT.
I could never compare myself to the accomplishments of my dad, I am a sanamgan myself,but I am not proud of it,nor should I be bitter about it.
I am hoping that this name calling attacks against one’s person and everything improper that goes along with it would soon end.
edit:compare his accomplishments to his da’s accomplishments
edit: compare my accomplishments to my dad’s accomplishments
typo pa din, sayang yung masteral ko sa typing.
So, is benign-zero named Homer Ba_____?
Anak_ng_Jueteng over at PCIJ almost revealed his identity…
http://filipinovoices.com/world-class-national-artistry/comment-page-1#comment-44865
thenashman
March 27, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Did Ben-d–t Ign–io, brilliant banker that he is, wrote this article, come up with the word “whollistic”, looked at it for a minute and said “Pwede na yan…”
something earlier:
http://filipinovoices.com/underlying-simplicity/comment-page-1#comment-23605
Well, he once said:
“Tagalog offers nothing. In contrast, the world is an English-speaker’s oyster.”
But this I find amusing as he started a topic on:
Pinoy society is an intellectual prison!!
A lawyer named Pythagoras, I believe, made mincemeat out of his (benign-zero’s) assertions!
Hah hah hah… this is funny.
“Sabi ng Mom niya, he’s really troubled — ever since pala. Black sheep. Doesn’t like women (twice divorced; no success ever since) and looks down on the Philippines. … still receiving money from his parents pala.”
Tabloid reporting okey na okey, marami kang nahahagip.
Bakit, sa banking ka din ba, Karl? Did u work in Sydney too or was the Asian terminal elsewhere? My Oz sources say he’s no banker, but merely a corporate peon, as The Ca t points out. Eh kung “brilliant” iyan, marami na tayong nabasa na article ni BENEDICT IGNACIO (anak ng tilapia — pinahirapan niyo pa ako!!), no? Kagaya ni Ben Kritz, who doctors blog pieces he writes on the internet to make them look like academic papers. In fact, Ben K can always be found in the bibliographies of his own “technical” papers… :D So far, the only thing we have from Benigs is that one deleted piece. Certainly nothing from the banking world… ;-)
I absolutely agree, Karl. Silly for anyone to compare themselves to their parents. If I did that, I’d be too paralyzed to do anything and much too insecure. All u can do is be yourself and be the best u can be. Apart from that, u can just try to be happy with who u are. However mushy that might sound, that pretty much works for me…
But some families tend to be hierarchical, di ba? And a supply chain or IT guy is certainly not in the same league with a medical director or an attorney, u have to admit. That stuff’s not important to me, but I know a lot of folks who actually care about these distinctions… I gather from his Mom that there were such people in his life, so he felt he had to go abroad to be able to “be himself”…
She’s a lovely person and my Mom happens to know her socially (same meditation group): I certainly don’t take his behavior against her or the rest of their family…
Sue? Nah, I’d rather just expose them all. :D
@Lila,
Nash read his resume last 08, sa OZ yata nag trabaho sya sa banko for a few months.(I don’t know as what a process specialist,an IT specialist or whatever)You know Nash he’s a funny guy,kumagat naman ako.
I was never in banking, sa ATI kami nag kasama sya sa logistics ako sa IT as a corporate slave,sya he is ten steps ahead of me as a corporate slave.
So if he worked in a bank working not as a banker , he was never a banker. I have not read his resume in full,kahit na may konting alam ako sa kanya.
Industrial engineers can work in a bank right?
napansin ko lang:
pareho profile ni benedict at ni Bong.
Supply Chain and IT.
Cat read B’s resume extensively,she even noticed that it was updated(Changed) at one time or more.
Bong V’s right to reply:
http://sanamagan.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/love-the-infamy/
why does his personal life matter?
one of the things i like about B0 is his consistency. one of the things i found consistent is his belief in substance over form. (while we disagreed on the meaning of substance).
why does his personal life matter?
Oh, ultimately it doesn’t. But they never restricted their responses to me or anyone else to the issues themselves, Bong in particular (what does my ethnicity or gender matter, Gabby?). They were full of all kinds of insinuations. Now that I can finally situate them socially and professionally, it’s slightly amusing to see how inconsistent their lives are r with both their avatars and their self-righteous claims.
They thought they could hide behind anonymity and, quite simply, they can’t. So, just like many of us here who openly state our names, they shall have to open themselves up to the same level of scrutiny and analysis to which they subject everybody else. No need to go on a witch hunt here, but I will simply point out every time I observe another inconsistency, that’s all.
Listening to the three Bs, one might have gotten the impression that they were activists, humanitarians or individuals with a deep (albeit warped) sense of nationalism. In the end, however, it turns out that they’re merely corporate rats who feel deracinated in the West and incapable of adjusting back to Pinas. It’s just good to know, that’s all. But, like anthropology itself, it’s just a beginning.
Had they restricted themselves to substance in the first place, none of this would have ever happened.
benign0 is one character and makes his mark. He has gotten onto people — example, nag-kaasaran sila ni Lila. Lalo nang asaran benign0 at DJB. Pero kayang-kaya ni benign0 na magsulat ng matatag. Read these comments:
(1) Ding G. Gagelonia
June 11, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Revisiting this post, benign0, yours is one insightful perspective that should be read and reread by Filipino media professionals who oftentimes get swept in the moment… in the heat of heart-pounding and even byline-making ‘breaking news’ that make, or break careers, where their stand-up piece-to-cameras (stand-uppers) as they are called in TV news can become Take 1 in the day’s prime time news, or simply be run with natural sound on the say so of the harassed but all-powerful news producer if the program line-up of stories is tight or if the evening’s ad load considerably limits the available air time.
It also also is true that journalists can, and do, become full of themselves and need to be restrained and stay focused on the issue.
Reality checks needed all around by everyone, every time.
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(2)
Nick
June 11, 2008 at 4:07 am
Excellent commentary Benign0, one that needs to be addressed.. ABS-CBN has already explained the news blackout, and we’ll see if they heed the same for future, non-ABS-CBN workers..
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Send In The Clowns
February 11th, 2010 by Jose C. Camano
Benign0, who has contributed here at Filipino Voices, has a favorite punch-line which is full of wisdom and grit: “We expect so much from our leaders and nothing from ourselves”.
Sabi nga ng tatay ko, kwidaw sa pagsasalita, maaring ang bagsak-salita mo ay gagamitin laban sa iyong mga kaibigan o kamag-anak, heh heh heh. I wonder how bongV’s mom will react when she finds out someone is quoting her to ridicule his own son.
Benigno’s name is not Homer. He is not even a banker. He is just an ordinary corporate slave who applied for residency in Australia.
I should know, I was the original “tililing queen” for him. He summoned all his friends including the US expat, an editor of an e-zine and other alternicks in an attempt to give me a miserable internet life. Apparently, he failed and I got bored fighting him. It has been almost a decade that we’ve been doing that.
but unlike one fil-am (an FV pikon) who invaded my website just so he can tell to my face that he is cerebral and is a better person because his children are all professional, benigno did not do that and I did not even block him in my NWC.
Ok, thanks.
Leytenian,
it depends on the webhosting he chose. If it is dedicated server with big bandwidth, then it may cost more than 100 dollars a month, otherwise, webhost costing may range from more than a hundred dollars a year depending on the bandwidth preferred so it could afford big traffic and page views. The webhosting also offers several e-mail accounts which they can use to comment in their own website to impress to the readers that there are many real people who go to the website who leave comments. Some use anonymous handles while others adopt as many alternicks as the e-mail accounts could allow them. Notice the websites with many anonymous comments. Sila sila lang yon.
When problogging became a lucrative source of income for popular bloggers everyone would like to hitch in the bandwagon.
So much so that many put up websites and monetize them with the paypal donate button included in their source of revenue. what’s funny is that they teach readers how to make money online when they themselves are panhandling in the internet.
These days, the sources of revenue for bloggers are the political candidates. They are invited for a press conference, handed out some press kits and who knows what else (envelops?) in return for endorsements in their blogs or in other websites where they are contributors. I just raise my brow an inch when I read aticles of this type which sings alelujahs to the candidate. Gawa naman ng media handlers nila.
Other bloggers become paid hacks that they go into mudslinging for the politician who stays behind the radar and act as if he is a real gentleman and would never go into the dirty game of politics.
Anonymous bloggers make use of different names in the blogosphere but are actually they one and the same person. Kilala na nila kung sino sila. Peace. Balato naman diyan. :)
oic, then we should email the IRS to audit the site? LOL
Yes, Ca t, some of them r definitely on the take. We already know who they’re working for. But Bong is just some guy who has anger issues and can’t control his temper (and what comes out of his mouth).
The one who I consider to be more nefarious (just type in Benign0 on Google and u’ll see what I mean) is Benedict. I gather he’s been harassing people for years, in stuart-santiago, MLQ, PCIJ, etc, etc. But it turns out he doesn’t work in a bank at all and is a webmaster in a small suburb in NSW (http://www.engadine2233.com/admin/aboutus.html), so he might not have to pay anything at all to use his company’s servers (although they might not take too kindly to all his extra-curricular activities).
Notice the sudden shift in tone — why, almost as if he were actually client friendly… :D
I complained a few months ago about how the discussion here degenerates into name calling and insults, and how some people — lalo na ang mga balat-sibuyas at mainitin ang ulo — still pass it around as democratic and intelligent discourse. Finally, this issue has come to the fore.
Time to grow up, children.
I have been following both sites for some time now (for AP when it first came out around sept-oct last year, or around these months). I’ve never written a comment on both sites since i think i would sound really lame next to the bright minds here, but this once i will despite possibly a bad grammar.
The name calling in AP is indeed disrespectful but that aside i actually don’t have a problem with their critique of the Filipino culture. Though their articles sting, i cannot deny that there’s a lot of truth in them. Having been a part of the D or maybe E sector once, i can attest to the fact that there really is basis for that so-called Wowowee mentality, though it’s eat bulaga and mtb then. Now i’m not saying this is a mentality exclusive to the D and E only but mostly. And maybe by saying that I would be likened to those who went to stay abroad and once there turned her back on her country.. No, i’ve just seen too many of our culture’s ills that hinder one’s advancement to know that sometimes Filipinos need to face the reality that there is something seriously wrong with Filipinos as people. We just can’t take criticism at all.
I like AP’s style actually, too bad if the site gets shut down but yeah, they’ve crossed the line with the name-callings but still i think it’s better in how it approaches the Filipino culture. We ned to face the ugly truth once in a while.
“you don’t build a new house on a foundation of termites – you destroy the old foundation all the way.”-BongV
“The day a Filipino who wants performance, STOPS voting for SLACKERS – will be the day when the voters no longer become the foe – till then, Pnoys get the government they deserve – they voted for it – NO ONE ELSE.”-BongV
Hohum, the same degrading accusations against the Filipino people disguised as wise and patriotic words. No different from old tagging of their people as “dogs, “pigs”, “morons”, “idiots”, and now termites, that’s a new one. These dudes never tire of inventing new vocabularies to deride their own people. Hohuuuum.