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		<title>By: cocoy</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/the-never-ending-struggle-between-poverty-and-the-wash/comment-page-1#comment-13495</link>
		<dc:creator>cocoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, point well taken. i should have been more clear. roads=transportation. trains, boats, etc. 

i would have thought under-development of roads/transportation makes it harder just to get from one place to another. major deal breaker for me. time is money. 

i&#039;m no beach expert. my last trip was to ilocos right before my &quot;retirement&quot;. ;) you&#039;re the travel guy and i defer to your expertise. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, point well taken. i should have been more clear. roads=transportation. trains, boats, etc. </p>
<p>i would have thought under-development of roads/transportation makes it harder just to get from one place to another. major deal breaker for me. time is money. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m no beach expert. my last trip was to ilocos right before my &#8220;retirement&#8221;. ;) you&#8217;re the travel guy and i defer to your expertise. :D</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Limjap</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/the-never-ending-struggle-between-poverty-and-the-wash/comment-page-1#comment-13493</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Limjap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cocoy,

This is what I discussed in:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.filipinovoices.com/filipinos-and-entrepreneurship-whats-the-real-score&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Filipinos and entrepreneurship: what&#039;s the real score?&lt;/a&gt;

As for roads to beaches -- I&#039;m one who actually prefers roads remain underdeveloped going to such places, the reason being that well-paved roads usually lead to uber-development in said beaches, tainting their beauty.

That being said, &quot;roads to beaches&quot; gives me the impression that you have mainly been going to beaches in Luzon, which is ironic since the main mode of going to the best beaches in the country is by pumpboat. ;)

In fact, it is not what our beaches could offer that makes people want to return, it&#039;s what&#039;s under the water that is truly inspiring. Fortunately scuba is becoming very cheap lately.

Sorry for the OT, but just had to point that out. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cocoy,</p>
<p>This is what I discussed in:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.filipinovoices.com/filipinos-and-entrepreneurship-whats-the-real-score" rel="nofollow">Filipinos and entrepreneurship: what&#8217;s the real score?</a></p>
<p>As for roads to beaches &#8212; I&#8217;m one who actually prefers roads remain underdeveloped going to such places, the reason being that well-paved roads usually lead to uber-development in said beaches, tainting their beauty.</p>
<p>That being said, &#8220;roads to beaches&#8221; gives me the impression that you have mainly been going to beaches in Luzon, which is ironic since the main mode of going to the best beaches in the country is by pumpboat. ;)</p>
<p>In fact, it is not what our beaches could offer that makes people want to return, it&#8217;s what&#8217;s under the water that is truly inspiring. Fortunately scuba is becoming very cheap lately.</p>
<p>Sorry for the OT, but just had to point that out. :P</p>
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		<title>By: cocoy</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/the-never-ending-struggle-between-poverty-and-the-wash/comment-page-1#comment-13488</link>
		<dc:creator>cocoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leytenian, 

i think it was Jon who blogged about a statistic that said that there are a lot of Filipino entrepreneurs. i forgot the link. maybe jon can provide that..?

The market is small in the Philippines. we&#039;ve little to compete with globally. That&#039;s not to say Filipinos can&#039;t give others a run for their money. For example, one problem most businesses have is the HIGH cost of electricity. 

Then there is the problem of accessibility. Our airports really suck. the roads going to and from our beaches give little to inspire a return trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leytenian, </p>
<p>i think it was Jon who blogged about a statistic that said that there are a lot of Filipino entrepreneurs. i forgot the link. maybe jon can provide that..?</p>
<p>The market is small in the Philippines. we&#8217;ve little to compete with globally. That&#8217;s not to say Filipinos can&#8217;t give others a run for their money. For example, one problem most businesses have is the HIGH cost of electricity. </p>
<p>Then there is the problem of accessibility. Our airports really suck. the roads going to and from our beaches give little to inspire a return trip.</p>
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		<title>By: leytenian</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/the-never-ending-struggle-between-poverty-and-the-wash/comment-page-1#comment-13481</link>
		<dc:creator>leytenian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it because middle class pinoy are not really entrepreneurial? is it because government governance and program implementations are lacking? 

the elites know exactly what they are doing and they have the advantage. A monopoly in a weak market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it because middle class pinoy are not really entrepreneurial? is it because government governance and program implementations are lacking? </p>
<p>the elites know exactly what they are doing and they have the advantage. A monopoly in a weak market.</p>
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		<title>By: leytenian</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/the-never-ending-struggle-between-poverty-and-the-wash/comment-page-1#comment-13479</link>
		<dc:creator>leytenian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cvj,
on: &quot;it is inequality in land ownership that is the most detrimental to economic growth. That’s why our neighbors who tackled this matter early on had more success in economic development. Besides, it is better for capital to be diverted to industry rather than real estate.&quot;

This is exactly what&#039;s happening in our real estate industry. The elites who are real estate developer are catering the middle class to buy real estate such as high rise condo and single family homes in a subdivision. Most of our emerging middle class are OFW or FW. The middle class has very little role in terms of economic development except making the rich richer. Economic development from small business requires capital. OFW or FW are sources of capital. Many wonder , where did all those remittances go. It all went to buy products and services from the elites. 
The poor have very little room to play in the market. The hope from OFW, FW and elites to create more jobs are instead invested in real estate. The imbalance of market is the responsibility of our leader. How can the poor get in and join the market when no one is interested in employing them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cvj,<br />
on: &#8220;it is inequality in land ownership that is the most detrimental to economic growth. That’s why our neighbors who tackled this matter early on had more success in economic development. Besides, it is better for capital to be diverted to industry rather than real estate.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly what&#8217;s happening in our real estate industry. The elites who are real estate developer are catering the middle class to buy real estate such as high rise condo and single family homes in a subdivision. Most of our emerging middle class are OFW or FW. The middle class has very little role in terms of economic development except making the rich richer. Economic development from small business requires capital. OFW or FW are sources of capital. Many wonder , where did all those remittances go. It all went to buy products and services from the elites.<br />
The poor have very little room to play in the market. The hope from OFW, FW and elites to create more jobs are instead invested in real estate. The imbalance of market is the responsibility of our leader. How can the poor get in and join the market when no one is interested in employing them?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Limjap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Limjap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeg,

Lots of fun, ain&#039;t it? BTW, you forgot benign0, who wants to change EVERYONE&#039;s attitudes. So there. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeg,</p>
<p>Lots of fun, ain&#8217;t it? BTW, you forgot benign0, who wants to change EVERYONE&#8217;s attitudes. So there. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chuck,

I was talking about that senseless exchange at Mlq3s when I questioned that. 
Jeg,
About changing attitudes,of the rich,poor,or middle class; if they(we) all need changing ,then so be it.

and yes,Fv has all bases covered.

Don&#039;t kick out  that highpriest guy,invite him for some more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chuck,</p>
<p>I was talking about that senseless exchange at Mlq3s when I questioned that.<br />
Jeg,<br />
About changing attitudes,of the rich,poor,or middle class; if they(we) all need changing ,then so be it.</p>
<p>and yes,Fv has all bases covered.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t kick out  that highpriest guy,invite him for some more.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Garcia</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/the-never-ending-struggle-between-poverty-and-the-wash/comment-page-1#comment-13466</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foget about that tim yap guy. even adam smith was criticized after centuries of writing two seemingly contradictory books one that emphasizes sympathy for others (Theory of Moral sentiments) and one emphasizes self interest(Wealth of Nations).

You already explained yourself to me and others that middle class stuff,bahala na kami kung pano namin interpret yun.

One last thing ,what is the need for any trickling down if the wealth is already distributed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foget about that tim yap guy. even adam smith was criticized after centuries of writing two seemingly contradictory books one that emphasizes sympathy for others (Theory of Moral sentiments) and one emphasizes self interest(Wealth of Nations).</p>
<p>You already explained yourself to me and others that middle class stuff,bahala na kami kung pano namin interpret yun.</p>
<p>One last thing ,what is the need for any trickling down if the wealth is already distributed?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between cvj and Jon Limjap, FV&#039;s got everything covered: Jon wants to change the attitudes of the poor, and cvj wants to change the attitudes of the rich. The middle class can go pick whichever side theyre for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between cvj and Jon Limjap, FV&#8217;s got everything covered: Jon wants to change the attitudes of the poor, and cvj wants to change the attitudes of the rich. The middle class can go pick whichever side theyre for.</p>
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		<title>By: cvj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cvj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, i don&#039;t agree with the logic that since i am Middle Class, i should not bash the Middle Class.  For me, what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.  We have to step back from our class affiliations and analyze the situation from point of view of the entire System and our place within it.   
Likewise, i think the poor and the rich should assess themselves in a similar manner.  What are they doing right and what are they doing wrong. Don&#039;t you think that&#039;s just fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl, i don&#8217;t agree with the logic that since i am Middle Class, i should not bash the Middle Class.  For me, what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.  We have to step back from our class affiliations and analyze the situation from point of view of the entire System and our place within it.<br />
Likewise, i think the poor and the rich should assess themselves in a similar manner.  What are they doing right and what are they doing wrong. Don&#8217;t you think that&#8217;s just fair?</p>
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