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		<title>By: Isabel</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-163408</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocampo and Maza running under the NP banner would have been an unremarkable event where it not for the ideological/political righteousness in which it was clothed -- to wit, that it was a matter of Villar agreeing to the Left&#039;s platform.  Marxists are supposed to judge things by history and by practice;  nothing in Villar&#039;s history nor his practice can be said to remotely approximate the Left&#039;s platform. And the Left was isolated from the electoral process for so long by its own decision:  it disbanded its own NCR committee back in the 1970s for participating in elections;  it set up its own party s the PNB in the 1980s without allies, with disastrous results;  it boycotted the 1986 elections.  It has always declared elections to be nothing more than a contest among reactionary ruling class factions.  Then it turns around and allies itself with a man who was Arroyo&#039;s senate president and whose wealth increased ten-fold while he was in Congress.  So don&#039;t cry, Palatino;  you brought it on yourself.  That victimology won&#039;t fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocampo and Maza running under the NP banner would have been an unremarkable event where it not for the ideological/political righteousness in which it was clothed &#8212; to wit, that it was a matter of Villar agreeing to the Left&#8217;s platform.  Marxists are supposed to judge things by history and by practice;  nothing in Villar&#8217;s history nor his practice can be said to remotely approximate the Left&#8217;s platform. And the Left was isolated from the electoral process for so long by its own decision:  it disbanded its own NCR committee back in the 1970s for participating in elections;  it set up its own party s the PNB in the 1980s without allies, with disastrous results;  it boycotted the 1986 elections.  It has always declared elections to be nothing more than a contest among reactionary ruling class factions.  Then it turns around and allies itself with a man who was Arroyo&#8217;s senate president and whose wealth increased ten-fold while he was in Congress.  So don&#8217;t cry, Palatino;  you brought it on yourself.  That victimology won&#8217;t fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-130710</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read Mong&#039;s Palatino&#039;s essay before. I think his essay is a very accurate depiction of the taboo of the left in our politics. I also like that he pointed out that there are good leftists and bad leftists. A point that must always be cleared given the present aggressive propaganda by the right.

The anti-left gang hates Satur Ocampo and Liza Maza for not going for their equally right-wing figurehead Noynoy which is an opportunity for them to control the left. Noynoy in my point of view is a very far right individual (or better term would be &#039;a complete bourgeoise&#039;). His actions and words speak thus. In his new commercial, I can&#039;t help but notice that he emphasized to &#039;stop those who would aim to destabilize our country&#039;. This leads me to suspect that he would be continuing the Oplan Bantay Laya which the Gloria Administration has failed in her term of 9 years. Even with a good purpose, the means by how this operation has been implemented has been tainted by Human Rights violations. Rather than talking about his negative platform, better yet is how can he continue the legacy of her mother in making a peace pact with the extreme left and making a genuine agrarian reform.

One point the Palatino made that I liked best was that if you are a leftist, you share the stigma of all of the leftists throughout the world and throughout history. I think that this is the common behaviour and an immaturity of thinking that our politics have. That the left is not a legitimate political presence.

I think Noynoy made a big mistake in not accepting the two. This paved an opportunity for Manny Villar with his pro-poor agenda to get the votes of the oppressed farmers by rich landowners. All the while Noynoy is still promising &#039;not to steal&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read Mong&#8217;s Palatino&#8217;s essay before. I think his essay is a very accurate depiction of the taboo of the left in our politics. I also like that he pointed out that there are good leftists and bad leftists. A point that must always be cleared given the present aggressive propaganda by the right.</p>
<p>The anti-left gang hates Satur Ocampo and Liza Maza for not going for their equally right-wing figurehead Noynoy which is an opportunity for them to control the left. Noynoy in my point of view is a very far right individual (or better term would be &#8216;a complete bourgeoise&#8217;). His actions and words speak thus. In his new commercial, I can&#8217;t help but notice that he emphasized to &#8216;stop those who would aim to destabilize our country&#8217;. This leads me to suspect that he would be continuing the Oplan Bantay Laya which the Gloria Administration has failed in her term of 9 years. Even with a good purpose, the means by how this operation has been implemented has been tainted by Human Rights violations. Rather than talking about his negative platform, better yet is how can he continue the legacy of her mother in making a peace pact with the extreme left and making a genuine agrarian reform.</p>
<p>One point the Palatino made that I liked best was that if you are a leftist, you share the stigma of all of the leftists throughout the world and throughout history. I think that this is the common behaviour and an immaturity of thinking that our politics have. That the left is not a legitimate political presence.</p>
<p>I think Noynoy made a big mistake in not accepting the two. This paved an opportunity for Manny Villar with his pro-poor agenda to get the votes of the oppressed farmers by rich landowners. All the while Noynoy is still promising &#8216;not to steal&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Primer</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129917</link>
		<dc:creator>Primer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 23:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Congress, there is no longer any left or any right - that&#039;s just the stark reality of it all.

Left-leaning ideologues in the party-list system serve to add spice to the political menus being &#039;cooked&#039; in the Malacanang rubber-stamped legislature by as much as a vote of viva voce.

Perhaps, it is time to disabuse our minds that the concept of leftists no longer means they are armed, underground, and out to overthrow the government of which they are clearly a part.

Bottomline, it is still worth listening to everything the left-leaning party list representatives they say during deliberations in Congress.  That is as far as it goes.

So Trojan Horse?  Who can betray the president in our given contemporary political culture?  Just no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Congress, there is no longer any left or any right &#8211; that&#8217;s just the stark reality of it all.</p>
<p>Left-leaning ideologues in the party-list system serve to add spice to the political menus being &#8216;cooked&#8217; in the Malacanang rubber-stamped legislature by as much as a vote of viva voce.</p>
<p>Perhaps, it is time to disabuse our minds that the concept of leftists no longer means they are armed, underground, and out to overthrow the government of which they are clearly a part.</p>
<p>Bottomline, it is still worth listening to everything the left-leaning party list representatives they say during deliberations in Congress.  That is as far as it goes.</p>
<p>So Trojan Horse?  Who can betray the president in our given contemporary political culture?  Just no one.</p>
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		<title>By: macapili</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129907</link>
		<dc:creator>macapili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Villar wants votes and Satur&#039;s left can provide.  Noynoy refuses to be identified and feels comfortable with his lead.  Pero, kwidaw siya, ang sabi nga, daig ng maagap ang masipag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Villar wants votes and Satur&#8217;s left can provide.  Noynoy refuses to be identified and feels comfortable with his lead.  Pero, kwidaw siya, ang sabi nga, daig ng maagap ang masipag.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe America</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129853</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, the argument here seems to be that one should not run for election as you have power when you win, and that makes you just like the current crop of winners.

So what is the author&#039;s recommended better approach? What are the &quot;new categories&quot;?

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, the argument here seems to be that one should not run for election as you have power when you win, and that makes you just like the current crop of winners.</p>
<p>So what is the author&#8217;s recommended better approach? What are the &#8220;new categories&#8221;?</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Buencamino</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129842</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Buencamino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National Democratic Front changed its name to Nacionalista Democratic Front. Ocampo and Maza are running under the Makabayan Party,  Makabayan is the Pilipino word for Nacionalista.

The Revolution is over! The red flag has been turned into a red rag. Pulang trapo in Pilipino.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Democratic Front changed its name to Nacionalista Democratic Front. Ocampo and Maza are running under the Makabayan Party,  Makabayan is the Pilipino word for Nacionalista.</p>
<p>The Revolution is over! The red flag has been turned into a red rag. Pulang trapo in Pilipino.</p>
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		<title>By: UP n grad</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129830</link>
		<dc:creator>UP n grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best promises made by NoyNoy is that one --- that NoyNoy will have &lt;i&gt;all NoyNoy cabinet members always appear when asked by a Congressio nalcommittee.&lt;/i&gt;

NoNoy said that, right???? while he was also saying that the GMA administration should be Talsik Diyan for using executive privilege when not appearing before the legislature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best promises made by NoyNoy is that one &#8212; that NoyNoy will have <i>all NoyNoy cabinet members always appear when asked by a Congressio nalcommittee.</i></p>
<p>NoNoy said that, right???? while he was also saying that the GMA administration should be Talsik Diyan for using executive privilege when not appearing before the legislature.</p>
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		<title>By: blackshama</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129817</link>
		<dc:creator>blackshama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ocampo and Maza are going through the constitutional approved way to power. To paraphrase the old English bulldog, Winston Churchill &quot;Elections are the worst way to get into power except all those that have tried from time to time&quot;

And if you go through the electoral mill in this country, you cannot be a &quot;Trojan Horse&quot; for long. The horse will be ground into a zillion pieces. Let the electorate sort out the pieces.

Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo&#039;s appointed subalterns if they are smart and sophisticated enough, are a more sinister Trojan Horse. And remember these people invoke &quot;executive privilege&quot; and don&#039;t appear before the legislature!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ocampo and Maza are going through the constitutional approved way to power. To paraphrase the old English bulldog, Winston Churchill &#8220;Elections are the worst way to get into power except all those that have tried from time to time&#8221;</p>
<p>And if you go through the electoral mill in this country, you cannot be a &#8220;Trojan Horse&#8221; for long. The horse will be ground into a zillion pieces. Let the electorate sort out the pieces.</p>
<p>Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo&#8217;s appointed subalterns if they are smart and sophisticated enough, are a more sinister Trojan Horse. And remember these people invoke &#8220;executive privilege&#8221; and don&#8217;t appear before the legislature!</p>
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		<title>By: Hyden Toro</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129811</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyden Toro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont believe in putting people political beliefs into Boxes. Like
Leftist, Rightist, Centrist, Moderates, Conservatives, Liberals,
etc...

These people have just different ways of political beliefs. They do things differently. Or we just have differences in opinion. We are just human beings who think differently. We are not CLONES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont believe in putting people political beliefs into Boxes. Like<br />
Leftist, Rightist, Centrist, Moderates, Conservatives, Liberals,<br />
etc&#8230;</p>
<p>These people have just different ways of political beliefs. They do things differently. Or we just have differences in opinion. We are just human beings who think differently. We are not CLONES.</p>
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		<title>By: FreeSince09</title>
		<link>http://filipinovoices.com/truth-and-lice/comment-page-1#comment-129810</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeSince09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Therefore,when a political project remains trapped in old categories, how can it claim to be truly revolutionary? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only if they&#039;re the ones still trying to grab power. Also, they have vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Therefore,when a political project remains trapped in old categories, how can it claim to be truly revolutionary? </p></blockquote>
<p>Only if they&#8217;re the ones still trying to grab power. Also, they have vote.</p>
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