In light of what is happening on the ground, and the new ultimatum by The Abu Sayyaf Group that indeed they will kill one of the three hostages come Tuesday morning, a very thoughtful and relevant question would be:
What would you do if the lives of the red cross hostages were in your hands? Would you pull out and/or negotiate?
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“What would you do if the lives of the red cross hostages were in your hands? Would you pull out and/or negotiate?”
There are two possible demands by the Muslim rebels for release of hostages:
1. Ransom
2. Separate homeland (secession)
If I negotiate for a ransom then paid the ransom there will be another kidnapping tomorrow, and then again, and then again, so on…
If I negotiate but I’m not willing to grant the demand to partition my country, what’s there to negotiate?
Therefore 1 and 2 are not negotiable.
I am sad, very sad, for the hostages. But there is no other option.
Terrorist use the following tactics:
1. Hostage Situations. They play with the nation’s emotions.
2. Spectacular Bombing and killings. They kill many innnocent
people, irregardless, if they a children, old people, etc…
3. The show high powered guns and other armaments, to terrorize.
4. They will use deceptions and deceits to gain grounds.
Solution:
1. Hunt them an kill them, wherever you find them.
2. Human informations are vital.
3. Know that these people are not thinking right. They are brainwashed by Al Queda ideologies for world Domination already.
Act fast, and act decisively. Nothing that you can do but fight.
Its them or you !
Strategy should be Hot pursuit, as one would pursue a criminal group which is exactly what Parad’s thugs are.
The Red Cross workers have been informed years ago, and on a regular basis, the risks that they take.
Muslim thugs makes up Parad’s group, which is all the more reason for “Hot Pursuit”.
Al Queda use Religious Charitable Organizations or Businesses
to fund their operations in various countries. They have Billions
of U.S. Dollar funds. If you cut these funding. You will help defeat
Al Queda in the Philippines.
We have not secured our coastlines. This is one of the reasons, they
can smuggle arms to the Philippines. Tactics and Strategies will defeat
them. We have this defeat this enemy, before we become another Pakistan
or Afghanistan.
If ICRC winds up dead, BLAME THE PEKENG-PERYODISTAS FOR NOT IMPOSING “NEWS BLACKOUT” OF THEIR KIDNAPPING!
Remmeber Ces Drilon News Blackout? NPC and ALL pekeng-peryodistas imposed Ces Drilon kidnapping news blackout SO AS NOT TO ANGER ABU SAYFF!!!!
So, logically, if ICRC ends up dead. BLAME PEKENG-PERYODISTAS!!!!
I DON’T WANT TO BE THE RANSOM CONDUIT. Else, Quantico-FBI-trined-PMAers will blame me for pocket part of the ransom money!
HOW DUMB! If our FBI-trained-PMAyer make such a lousy no-brainer accusation and printed verbatim by our dumb-stupid-idiot pekeng-peryodistas … I JUST WONDER WHERE PHILIPPINES WOULD BE HEADING????
HA!HA!HA!HA!
If the ASG executes one of the IRC hostages they will taste the wrath of the world. these savages will find their worst nightmare. while they were able to get away with their previous beheadings because they were not in the center stage of the world, they will not get away this time. all their hopes of drumbeating their cause will forever be dimmed.
Don’t you think, JCC, our media practitioners should be at fault for publishing their kidnapping? :)
If you don’t think so, therefore, media practitioners were extra-stupid when they did a Ces Drilon Kidnapping News Blackout.
Wrath of the world…. You are kidding, right?
Does “wrath of the world” mean that the United Nations and ICRC withdraws all personnel out of Mindanao?
Or does “wrath of the world” mean tripling the number of troops assigned for “hot pursuit” of Parad’s Muslim thugs with European nations providing three or four helicopters to use by Pinas troops?
They dont care. They have already done killings in other
countries where they operate. These people are cold blooded
murderers.
What wrong have the IRC done to them, except to feed their
starving population. This is the payback for people who do
good to them. Propaganda hostage and beheading.
To hell with these people.
Nick, There is a CRIME ongoing as we speak, which is part of a long-running series of the same crime against a law which states that:
That CRIME is ongoing, and therefore the swinging door of observation is momentarily ajar, and this is when Bloggers ought to weigh in with their most considered opinions, and to express them with precision.
What ought we to do, if we were say the Marine Commander on the ground, the police chief of ARMM, a govt official, Defense Secretary or President?
i will not pull out the troops. if i were the executive will give the asg an ultimatum of 72 hours to release the hostages and 72 hours for the civilian to leave the island of Sulu. massive transport and food program assistance will be provided to those who are willing to leave the island and situte them in a neighboring province. gma can do this, after all she is not running for reelection and who knows, if the operations to flush out the terrorists is successful, she could be forgiven to run again. :)
then bomb their lair after the 72 hours deadline had expired.
these terrorists were using the hostage crisis for political mileage. the government should be able to turn the table against them.
Marcos did this taktik in the early days of Martial Law when Gen. Luga came to peace talk in Patikul unarmed with his troops.
They were massacred, slaughtered, troops riddled with bullets.
Marcos declared a no-man’s-land-triangle-of-death in Patikul. Anything that moves are to be shot. No questions asked.
BOOOM BOOM KABOOOM KABOOOM BOOM BOOOM!!!!!!!! It was successfull. Marcos got the respect.
Marcos also place a drug merchant before a firing squad.
Marcos was the best president. He got the worst wife. He got evil cronies.
So you think a good intelligent president can run PHilippines? YES HE/SHE CAN! Provided he got no friends, relatives, wives, kamaganaks, etc etc etc etc don’t feel pang of mercy, not a believer in ONE GOD, ….
WHERE IN THE WORLD CAN WE FIND A PRESIDENT LIKE THAT?
The Marine Commander has to follow orders from Luzon, and if the orders are to appease the Muslim thugs, then there is no dishonor and in fact he has to follow such orders.
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Now, look at this in contrast: [have to ask permission first....]
Philippine factory workers put on half pay
March 27, 2009 12:32:00
Agence France-Presse
MANILA, Philippines—After axing tens of thousands of jobs, many electronics firms in the Philippines have put their remaining workers on half pay for the next six months, the government said Thursday.
Certain electronics firms have obtained government permission to pay their remaining workers a “subsidy” equivalent to half the minimum wage, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo said, as companies attempt to ride out the financial meltdown.
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“Many of them requested (permission to pay half the minimum wage) because they know electronics will come back,” Arroyo said.
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That’s one quick way to make the Philippine labor force competitive with China.
The CRIME that is ongoing is well defined in the Law
It is the unremitting DUTY of the government and the citizens of the Republic to UPHOLD AND DEFEND the law, and for the authorities to ENFORCE it.
The is a crime against the Filipino people, a crime against humanity.
It is not the Abu Sayyaf that earns the wrath of the world, but all Filipinos.
We are all Abu Sayyaf Now!
I find it very strange how many of those most loudly bewailing the transgressions against Philippine Sovereignty around the Subic Rape-VFA convolvulus, seem completely indifferent to the self-evident violation of national sovereignty in respect of the ASG.
OIC, it must be the fact that those are their fellow insurgents, who are also trying to overthrow the central government and establish either a totalitarian communist state or a totalitarian Islamic state.
The rest are paralysed by daily dosages of anaesthesia from the MSM about “human rights” and “all out war”.
Then there are the bloggers who actually support the terrorists, though they are blithely unaware of it!
A MUST READ on this topic is the Atlantic Monthly article, Jihadists in Paradise (2007)
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200703/bowden-jihad
It tells the gripping story of when we were last taken for a long boat ride by the Abu Sayyaf, or, how all this already happened before and we are just paying for past capitulations to the terrorists holding us all hostage.
Thanks for this link, Dean.
Abundantly clear, isn’t it that the mountain fastnesses of Sulu is well beyond the reach of Manila as yet.
This should not go on for much longer.
It is far too expensive for the national body politic beyond any material concerns given how the nation has had to offer up the lives of our finest fight men.
Remember MAD–Mutually Assured Destruction?
I am wondering if a policy like that could be adapted to the terrorist kidnapping tactic that has been adopted with such devastating effect by the Abu Sayyaf?
I’ll leave them to die. And then wipe out the Abu Sayyaf right then and there.
Hell, if I get kidnapped, I’d rather be killed than let the viscious cycle of ransom payment->violence->kidnaps->ransom payment->violence->kidnaps take its course.
Jon,
If I knew for sure that I was about to be beheaded, I guess I’d rather see a rescue attempt. But what we really need is some kind of effective counter measure in policy or tactic that discourages future kidnappings like this.
The CBCP has condemned Parad before, right?
I mean, for this:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/zam/2007/04/21/news/zambo.mayor.condemns.sayyaf.beheading.of.workers.html
DJB,
I’m sure I will falter as well. But this has somehow to end.
The way the ASG can hold our government in the balls only proves how puny those balls really are.
I agree with Jon & DJB. It’s a given only very few come out alive from Abu Sayaf kidnap-for-ransom cottage industry. I’d rather know there’s a rescue attempt in the offing than being killed and no offing at all.
But, let me enlighten you all. Our FBI-Academy-trained-PMAyers are ineffective in rescue attempt.
Does anyone remember the Zamboanga Army Camp that held hostage their general. Well, they came with a SWAT team with bazookas and howitzer. They blew the whole thing up. Killed the general and the kidnapper came out the back door and never seen again.
HA!HA!HA!HA!
I’d rather sell my soul to the AMerican military than sell my body and flesh to Philippine military.
Renato Pacifico,
You have a strange habit of berating “pekeng peryodistas” (rightly, I think), but engaging in the worst of their habits, like remembering some snatch of something and blurting it out here like it was gospel truth. Like this Zamboanga army camp with the the hostaged general that the SWAT team blew up with bazookas and howitzer, killing the general and allowing the kidnapper to escape. Then, you laugh. Madly (“HAHAHAHAHA”). Get a hold of yourself, man. Settle down. Check your facts with Google first. Don’t be so friggin’ giddy all the time. (I’m sure you were referring to Gen. Ben Muhammad Dolorfino’s hostaging, which he got out of by paying 500,000 in “board and lodging fees”, but which started as one of the peace negotiations with the insurgents.
DJB, I have a poor memory. 1stly, my memory is full of BS; 2ndly, my memory cannot be upgraded because it’s aged :)
Was it Gen Dolorfino? Hmmm … he doesn’t ring a bell. But sure, there was this event back in the ’70s when a PMA General was hostaged. They called-in the SWAT, then kabooom! Hostaged died. Hostage-taker escaped! If you ask me why the hostage-taker escaped from the carnage of howitzer(really, they used howitzer to extricate the general) is beyond me.
Fill us in the facts if you get a handle on it. Because that fiasco was really entertaining …
… more like a slapstick comedy starring Dolphy as commander hostage-taker and Panchito the SWAT team leader …
It seems our military does take the word SWAT as in swat-like-fly.
Remember, that news where the child was hostaged in public by a deranged man? The child died in a barrage of bullets by our sharpshooters. If you’ve seen the video footage it was like firecrackers of New Years Day!
Our military do take the word SWAT seriously.
If ever I get abducted, kidnapped, mannapped whatever PLEASE DONNOT SEND IN OUR ELITE SWAT TEAM. PLEASE LANG! I’d rather die a bullet to my head by the hostage-taker than riddled with bullets by our elite SWAT teams.
volunteer yourself na lang, ‘dong.
Most everyone forgets the political realities on the ground in the Muslim areas. There are two groups that have stronger influence over the bandit group. The MILF and the MNLF. Both are supposedly fighting for some sort of respectability. Put pressure on them to resolve the problem with these bandits who are mostly known to the Muslim organizations.
Remind them that their cause will be greatly harmed if anything happens to these Red Cross workers. Work within the power structure in those village communities.
The ASG are simply a bunch of bandits. The government can seize the moral high ground on this one and the two Muslim organizations would suffer serious credibility problems if they simply watch.
Remind them that the world would look down on them if they do not isolate these bandits. They become them.
JAG,
“Simply a bunch of bandits?”
I don’t agree, unless you also think that the NPA is “simply a bunch of bandits”.
The relationship between the MILF/MNLF and the ASG and other “rogue commands” is very similar to that of the CPP and the NPA.
Because violence and lawlessness are the stock in trade of the armed groups, the political organizations must establish the illussion of distance and difference from them. We ought not buy into that illusion with “simply a bunch of bandits”!
“What would you do if the lives of the red cross hostages were in your hands? Would you pull out and/or negotiate?”
That is the question of this thread.
In the light of the latest development, what are we to do now if the lives of the red cross hostages were in FV’s hand?
Probably the infamous January 5, 1989 Cawa-Cawa siege.
Brig. General Eduardo Batalla and his chief of staff, Col. Romeo Abendan, were held hostage and killed during the siege.
Remember Rizal Alih?
Yo, the man, Baycas!!!!!
That is right! BrigGenBatalla was hostaged in the very military camp of the Army. They called in fire support, SWAT team, Ranger Team, air-fire, everything they had.
They surrounded the military camp.
They fired away. Lahat! Mga sundang, mga plamenco, howitzer, bazooka, armalite, carbine, .50 caliber machine gun …
Lo and behold, Brig GenBatalla & ABendan died riddled with howitzer lantakas and RIZAL ALIH? RIZAL ALIH? COME OUT COME OUT WHEREEVER YOU ARE!!!!!
CANNOT BE FOUND!!!!! HIS BODY COULDN’T BE FOUND!!!!! HE DUG UNDER THE CAMP CAME OUT BEHIND ENEMY LINE.
Decade later Robin Padilla starred in the MOVIE: RIZAL ALIH BABA AND THE GREAT ESCAPE!!!!!
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
We just wait and see. The Terrorists are rattled and confused. More
pressure must be put on them.
I like it when there are terrorists. It’s good for my pocket.
MAGKANO NA BA ANG FOREX?
Gung-goness of our PMA graduates never stopped to amaze me. Rizal Alih escaped the carnage leaving behind Brig Gen and Colonel riddled with howitzer and bazzookas.
Now Abu Sayaff escaped Indangan under the cover of darkness? I thought they were completely surrounded …
NYAAAAAAK!!!!!! NYAAAAAK!!!!!! NYAAAAK!!!! YOU CAN NEVER SEE ABOVE COMMENTS IN PEKENG-COLUMNISTAS!!!!! NA KO PO! HESUS MARIA JOSEF SAKLOLO
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090401-197461/Abus-hostages-desert-hideout
This reminds me of Filipino bigoted racist Carson mayor. He was told not to leave America. He left anyways. He came back. FBI came knocking down on his door. He peeped thru the peephold! NYAKS! FBI! He came out of the back door. FBI was there, too!
FBI asked the Flip mayor where he is going. Flip mayor of Carson says he’s going to pee? FBI asked him again. “Where? In the pool?”
What a stupid excuse. The Flip mayor think FBIs in America are like PMAyers in Philippines. STUPID!
See? This is a glaring example of Filipino obliviousness. We could have gotten GMA if Ombudsman and Senate invistigators did not bungled the invistigation. Unfortunately, ALL THE SENATE WITNESSES ARE SPEWING HEARSAYS!!!! NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE!!!!
It’s the fault of pekeng-peryodistas!!!! Instead of running to NBI they published Joey de Vencia’s whistleblowing innuendos, intrigue and gossip.
They could have wired Joey. Or if Joey is CEO material he could have wired himself and told NBI. But he ran to idiot peryodistas rariing for a scoop.
PHILIPPINES IS BEYOND REDEMPTION BECAUSE OUR CEO AND SENATORS CANNOT EVEN LEARN FROM AMERICAN TV, CSI.
DUH!
i would negotiate. then, trusting in the negotiators’ judgment that should we fulfill the terms agreed upon, the abu sayyaf will likewise fulfill theirs in good faith, i would give in to their demands.
some would say that negotiating with terrorists would just encourage the behavior. to me, the fact remains that there are 3 people, 3 noble people at that, whose lives are on the line. the fact remains that they have already been kidnapped.
the solution isn’t to ignore the abu sayyaf. nor is it to storm them with troops. maneuvers, no matter how well-executed, will, in all probability, not prevent the abu sayyaf from killing off the hostages. they can kill off two, just to make good on their threat, and leave one hostage, and we’d still be in the same situation we’re in right now.
the solution is to give in now, then fix the real problem. naive as it may be, dialogue in good faith, if that’s still possible. and alongside it, preventive measures so that the kidnapping incidents will not happen again. i would imagine a bank robbery with hostages. the first time it happens, i would give in to the robbers’ demands to save the lives of the hostages. then, i’d do two things: i’d hunt the robbers down, but more importantly, i’d improve on security measures to prevent the hold-up from happening again.
i’ll admit that this isn’t as well thought through as i’d like, but i just wanted to throw the idea up in the air and share it with whomever would care to peruse it for what it might possibly be worth.
in any event, i pray that everything falls into it’s proper place and that this is resolved in the best way possible.