I went to register at the Quezon City Comelec office this evening. Sobrang dami ng tao. And to think meron nang separate areas for the different districts of Quezon City.
There were not enough forms and not enough biometrics machines. So ayun nagsisigawan na ang mga taong nakapila mula umaga pa.
Magulo ang queuing. Kasi walang “take a number”.
The long wait would have been a little more bearable kung may numbers. That would have given everyone an indication of how long they would have to wait. Those with very high numbers could go have a snack or maybe even see a movie muna. But making life easy is not what bureaucracies are all about.
Buti na lang may kakilala ako sa loob.
If you were in my place what would you do?
Popularity: 1% [?]
MB,
Ahahahahahahahahaha, wheeeeooooohhh. Flip them the bird as Perlas is the best candidate and won’t win anyway.
I’d recite the nightmare of my wife’s attempt to get a passport . . . but it would make Kafka cry. It has been an ongoing saga for about four months now . . . But she got registered for voting quick quick, oddly enough. Only two hours.
Maybe move to a small town.
Joe
Be patient! Every vote for change COUNTS!
I would go see a good movie.
It figures. So much for passionately proper patriotism bells ‘n’ whistles clap clap. Showing your true colors I see, not that it isn’t discernible on a daily basis.
Hi Filo! I’m registered already more than too early way, way back months ago. If you’re me I’ll bet you’ll forget and still would be one in that queue where manuelbuencamino was, ahahayhehehe.
Clueless dude.
Hi Bert! The post was about what one would do if one were in that scenario, ahahayhehehe.
Clueless dude.
One should register as early as possible and not wait for last minute. But at the last minute, I agree… be patient. You came in late. hehehe.
But like I said I knew somebody inside. So I was in and out in 45 minutes and most of it was walking around looking for my friend’s office and filling up the registration form without my eyeglasses. I was in and out of the biometrics section in about 10 minutes.
Would you have done the same thing I did or would you line up for hours?
I would really line up for hours. It was my fault I lined up at the last minute. Registration started last December 2008.
Isn’t this a sample of a person exploiting the system. You should be ashamed. Heheh. What about those who lined up since morning?
“Magulo ang queuing. Kasi walang “take a number”.” Buti na lang may kakilala ako sa loob.”
Wow, Typical Cr@p in da pinas
Those who do the registering simply dont have a system. To make
the people registering be registered easily. I think, it is in our
mindset. To just accept anything thrown to us. Maybe the Colonialist
had trained us that way. To make us not revolt. And to accept thier
tyrany. In the Western countries, or countries with developed Democracies. People would have ranted and howled already. Then, sacked the COMELEC for its incompetence. This is the reason any tyrant can just declare Martial Law, grab power and rule. Its time
for Filipinos to be ASSERTIVE. If you are not served well, SHOUT.
And by the way. Why did you not register early? When there
was no crowd yet. Procrastination is also a desease of the
Filipino. Some just want to have the thrill to beat deadlines!
Hyden Toro,
I don’t have the best mind, for that matter remembering task.
For this reason, I do my best to write everything down on paper.
This is where my Franklin Planner comes in handy.
Now, I can set my priorities, and never have to procrastinate.
WTF! “where did I leave my pen at…!”
Exactly!
People like Manuel are stew-fed and Bug-OK that they think the world revolve around them.
In the past, only the iskwater mentality guy would be in the same soup. It has not change.
whats with the ‘lah’?
MB wished he’s in Singapore. :D
123…
Procrastinators of the world unite as we have found our leader in MB. Wait till the last minute and complain about the situation but alas may kilala pala.
So he procrastinates and jumps the line anyway.
I registered a month ago and I was done in less than an hour.
Now you wonder why the country is in the shits.
No wonder kay Noynoy siya. Walang alam pero tatakbong Presidente kasi anak ni Cory.
j_ag is right!
we can’t really keep justifying doing the wrong thing because of circumstance or inconvenience. this should be the lesson here.
jag
bakit naman pati si noynoy dinamay mo?
He is pro Villar!
“Buti na lang may kakilala ako sa loob. If you were in my place what would you do?”
Well, just this once, I’ll give you a slack. Like those VIPs and other blokes in vehicles with sirens and wang-wangs racing through EDSA, maybe, just maybe…
Your time is more important than ours?
Phil Manila,
I used to work really cheaply in the US after I retired as a noodle-work consultant, billing about P7,500 an hour. For some reasons I can’t get doctors, dentists or government offices here to realize that that is the value I place on my time.
Maybe I should try billing them, eh?
Joe
Not gonna work. In the Philippines, Time has NO VALUE
Ski,
Ahhhh. Now things make sense to me, like people arrive any time and appointments don’t exist. Pretty cool concept. If I can adopt it, possibly a lot of my anxieties will go away. No worries, eh?
Joe
maybe you’ll also agree that the ubiquity of cellular phones here worsened that because people now adjust their appointment schedules with text messaging.
honestly MB, i think you should have waited, come early, or come up with another solution that doesnt use connections.
its hard, but it must be done to show that there IS another way.
hard to get rid of bad habit…corruptibility is a pinoy habit…we should start disciplining ourselves…in small things…how can we be trusted with big things when sa pagpila pa lang kurap na…anak ng weeee talaga
sadly, the longer people feel encumbered by problems, the more attractive cheating becomes. you won’t find much of this kind of behavior in places where there’s contentment.
Disagree! Eden was a place of contentment. Look what happened. Eve cheated, she ate the apple even if prohibited. And, Malacanang is Eden too. She cheated too.
@Bert:
In case you didn’t notice (yep, you weren’t paying attention) Parallax said
so he didn’t say it’s nonexistent where there is contentment.
What insight were you meaning to raise?
hehehehe.
In the first place, why should I endure queeeing just to register when I know that people will do nothing in case of another massive cheating.
People will just say MOVE ON and “lahat naman madaya” or buti na yun kaysa naman maupo yung tanga etc etc.
So why should I?
If I intend to vote, why come on last minute (kung di ka ba naman ogag)?
Three times the charm for me. First try is two months ago. Apparently, though they’ve made the forms available online, it is invalid. Forms filled out online isn’t accepted and I had to line up again. Yesterday, i tried again; about 500 people ahead of me. Ok, so early this morning (5am) I went there. There was a typhoon, right, so I expected very very few people, actually I expected to be there first. No, I was number 77. Then brown out. finally, I sneaked up ahead of other people in line and found that the Comelec office is already giving away forms and checking them out (twice?). So there, 12 pm I’m finally registered.
Btw, saw three siblings who got rejected like I had been because they downloaded forms online. Nagmura ang girl. effing shee*** daw. He he. Comelec said hangang midnight daw sila. good luck to other registrants in Pasig. It’s an heroic effort to simply register, but, at least, I was witness to how much the poor value their votes. Maski sigura bumaha nang hangang ulo pupunta talaga sila sa munisipyo para maka-register.
“Buti na lang may kakilala ako sa loob.”
Buencamino, may na notice nga akong katulad mo, may kainigan sa loob. Still, a minute later, I forgot what happened. Siguro nakalusot din yun. :) Nakakainis talagang pumili, gusto ko nang makipag-awayan. Good thing mababait lahat (lahat ha) ng mga taga comelec, pati pulis na nagbabantay (pulis ba mga yun?).
I pity the people from district 2 in pasig. Pinapabalik pa sila November 3. My God.
Not what you know. But whom you know. The principle runs
in every area of Philippine life. It is our damn culture.
And it is working against us all! Maybe you can exorcise this
evil in us!
Hyden Toro,
With your permission, let me extract a short except, if I may.
Ooopps, already did. Thanks.!
“Not what you know. But whom you know.”
I am going to enlighten you a wee bit. Even better, Us.
Knowledge, do play a great part in our lives.
Best yet, when we have inner connection(s) with the Politcial Slime ball(s).
Looks like, the whole fundamentals of Philippines Government, and the mass orgasmsamatic that flow with the convoluted system(s), or[their] mind.
Is, “Not what you know. But whom you know.”
But also, “Not what you know. But, who you BLOW.”
Ie: correction on my part.
it should be, “a short excerpt…”
fatality error: “except”
…and the Tsinoy businessmen…yet you condemn one and lionize the other. How come?
In the Spanish Colonial times. The ruling Spaniards showed up in events, not on appointed times, but on their own time. To show their
self importance to us natives. This was adopted by some Filipinos who think themselves as important. So, we have the Filipino Time. Which is arriving late on an appointed time or events. To make a GRAND DRAMATIC ENTRANCE. And to emphasize their self importance.
until now Comelec Philippines has not been able to automate voting registration. Database management system is crucial for any government activities not only during election but for many other purposes such records of title, birth certificate and many more… The Philippines has many talented database programmers who are now highly paid by many fortune companies but for some reason, administration has not been able to utilize our own talents. This is another issue of poor governance or lacking skills in terms of managing voters and citizens. The managing director of Comelec should know what he needs to do…. replace and next… ang daming mga advance manager diyan sa atin.. why do we always settle for less?
Happy Halloween to you all.
falling in line with no forms to fill up is a typical issue of a poorly managed organization/department. no forms with no online option is ..???? whatever..
BTW.. i don;t need to know anyone inside. I can give a person 50 US dollars to be first online plus I don’t even need to do it myself. That’s how cheap this country is. I can easily become corrupt because the system is teaching the people HOW. When convenience is lacking, people will pay for luxury.
another example: At the airport, one can insert 20 US dollars to avoid opening balikbayan boxes or suitcases…
and please don’t tell me its our culture, I look at it as poor system of management. When the system is weak, the people in that organization can easily find loopholes of corruption. Even the customer or voters will use.. ” i have an insider connection” that is just too corrupt.
Oh yes, I will. http://www.mgtsystems.com/products/culture-management.jsp
In the case of the Philippines, it is a display of poor management culture, brought about by the larger social culture which tolerates mediocrity and idiocracy, enjoys “shortcuts” as a display of “privilege” – which bolsters impunity.
You can manage poorly, and still keep your job, even get kickbacks – whaddya know, its the Philippines.
Who needs management systems in the Philippines, basta may “konek (daw)” walang system system.
What if, all people (not just Filipinos) behaved that way? Will this be a better world? Hell, NO!
i think you are just repeating what I said in a more complex way
your wiki :
exactly.. keyword in your wiki is SYSTEM… It means, the system must view our culture therefore It’s not our culture but it is how THE SYSTEM manage AND GOVERN our culture.
do you get it now?
let me rephrase what ski tarub wants me to say and connect your wiki..
Management Systems views ” stupid” culture and its management as one of the six key factors (contained in the Pyramid of Organizational Development) that contribute to organizational success over the long-term.
The keywords are Management and SYSTEM…. then your wiki said..
Culture management focuses upon:
Identifying what the culture really is (versus what the company says or thinks it is)
Determining what the culture should be to promote behavior consistent with the company’s goals
Developing a plan to take the company from where it is to where it needs to be with respect to its culture
and you bongv exactly identified what the culture really is…
So let’s manage that…
Leytenian:
Systems thinking is an offshoot of culture. When you have a culture that is not into systemic thinking, even its management processes is flawed. Consider this, sa dinami-dami ng public officials who are products of the B-Schools of AIM, UP, Ateneo, De La Salle, and all their insitutional linkages with HBS, Stanford, Carnegie – all that management “expertise” – and yet, kulelat pa rin ang Pilipinas. It goes beyond systems, it is more fundamental.
Heto pa, automated traffic systems kunyari, pero the jeepney driver still loads and unloads passengers in the middle of the road – and he can get away with it by slipping PhP 500 into the hands of the traffic cop and traffic aide. This same traffic system that works wonders in the Bay Area – cannot get the jeepney driver to change his cultural attitudes of loading and unloading passengers in the middle of the road. Translate that into the millions of jeepney drivers plying the streets.
Your system can only do so much – at a certain point, it will boil down to the individual and the culture’s respect for the traffic laws because it works to his interest – without the cultural shift your system will be useless.Your system can be easily overriden by corruption – which sends you back to dealing with culture.
Heto pa, when the traffic light breaks down – patigasan na – and you have a traffic jam. You can put more cops and enforcers as backup – and spend more for the systems upgrade. Or, you can institute a 4-way Stop rule – which is more or less a cultural adjustment – an action arising from the culture’s desire to keep the peace and be fair in a cost-effective manner – thus, the resolve to create and <b>enforce</b>a system which does. In the case of the PI – it is all laws <b>without</b> enforcement despite the presence of enforcement agencies.
Merong sistema, ayaw lang gamitin – culture of impunity rules!
or on MB’s case, when the system of governance is weak in an organization, the customers can easily find option to speed his time such as using his connection.
Only the innocent and the poor may have no connections and for sure they will take the burden for others like a shock absorber. Poor Mang Juan and Pedro…
leytenian,
Woot, woot…!
You go girl. You are a girl, right.
yes mario… a very flirty girl… LOL
Naks…!
dapat nauna yang automated registration kesa sa automated voting..malaki tsansa magkapalpakan sa 2010…
bitnik,
the problem in our country is not the people or the citizens, it is how a director or a manager in an executive department lead its employees to service the people like a valued customers regardless if the citizen is poor, middle income earner or an elite. The treatment should be equal. The manager must have first hand knowledge on how to provide strategies to avoid long line hassles, dissatisfaction and angry customers/citizens.
The manager also must be able to calculate or formulate a plan and submit proposal to the budget department to support his plan of action. The manager must also has the skill to explain why it is crucial to have a data management system to streamlime processing and its benefit to the entire public.
A government manager or high ranking official must have the basic understanding that the people is his customers not his superior or him being the boss with a mind since 1800…
Replace and move on…
“Merong sistema, ayaw lang gamitin – culture of impunity rules!”
TRUE.. Who has a higher degree of duty to implement the system knowing it is already written by the book? are you saying that Mang Juan is responsible PRIMARILY to implement the system.
all i know is Mang Juan is not a manager nor a leader . He is only expected to vote, work within the system of corruption , find opportunities at a giver system, take care of his family, go to church and most importantly Mang Juan did not take an OATH for PUBLIC service. He is not expected to perform as the implementator because he is only a citizen.
But I know you , once you loss an argument , you will always go back to your unreasonable excuse that it’s Mang Juan’s Fault for electing the wrong candidate..
The P13 billion is just for the COMELEC full automation project.
Everything outside of this ‘program of work’ must need another P2 billion to defray the costs for registration paraphernalias.
Wonder then?
The distinction between right and wrong gets a little blurry when you recognize that administrative idiocy thrives and one is tired of it all. The system is broken, so gameplaying is an adequate response. If the system were not broken, everyone could play by clear definitions of right and wrong and feel good about it.
When I wait in line for the royal staff of the royal government to condescend to give me service, I am not a happy camper.
I suggest Ms. Arroyo issue an executive order. Government employees will be courteous to citizens and do all within their power to serve them . . . or be terminated.
Joe
BTW, good blog MB. simple but it delivers a very good point.
thank you leytenian.
good point? do you mean you DID NOT use ur connections?
this is a “thought experiment”?
Culture of impunity – a self-confession.
As above so below.
A bit off-topic, though I believe the ensuing earnet questions are relevant and deserve some attention.
One of the FAQ items in the Philippine Embassy website states:
“Having re-acquired Filipino citizenship, can one hold public office in the Philippines?
YES, provided that those seeking elective office meet the qualifications as required by the Philippine Constitution and existing laws, and at the time of filing of the certificate of candidacy, make a personal and sworn renunciation of any and all foreign citizenship before a public officer authorized to administer an oath.
Those appointed to a public office shall make a sworn renunciation of the oath of allegiance to the country where they took their oath.”
Why require a “split-citizenship” Filipino to renounce other allegiances when desiring to hold public office, when the same individual can vote any candidate without renouncing other allegiances?
He can vote any Filipino to office, but he is not considered Filipino enough to hold that office?
Given the realities, would any such renunciation ring hollow or empty anyway? Unless, they also require that individual to surrender his foreign passport or to submit any written acceptance of the renunciation by the other country?
Any thoughts?
Amadeo,
Fascinating question. Citizenship is an intellectual commitment, I think. So the Philippines is simply asking for a legal commitment, much like marriage. The heart, now that is a different matter. It can be attracted to more than one country (or romantic love) for that matter. The state can’t control that.
I think when the Philippines recognizes it needs to give up its provincial separatism and become a member of the vibrant global community, welcoming talent in any form, it will accept dual citizenship as normal. It’s more important to advance than hold to tribal loyalties.
Joe
Having taken an oath of allegiance to a foreign country, one can never be sure of his/her loyalty and therefore could be a national security risk.
That’s on the surface.
The deeper motivation is to prevent those who have the disposable income to match the local trapos from participating in the political process.
Consider for example, a Fil-Am former candidate for US Congress, who has also held a public office in the US as mayor of a town. He can draw on the support from other Fil-Ams who supported his candidacy if he engages in the Philippnes.
But the Philippines just want him to vote, pay taxes, but not be part of the process – that sucks.
The only advantage that comes with dual citizenship is ownership of real estate – other than that it is another scheme to fleece overseas Filipinos.
cvj,
Having taken only the oath to one country, one can never be sure of his/her loyalty and therefore could be a national security risk. Traitors come in every cloth. What you say may be the reason, but it is a stupid reason. It is this over-endowed sense of mistrust, bred by the mistrust that is rampant in the Philippines (do you know anybody who does NOT cheat?), that pervades every Filipino agency, that prevents the country from moving anywhere. It is pride upside down.
Allegiance is an intellectual commitment, like marriage, not a set of chains. If someone takes an oath, believe them. If they violate it, put them in jail, something the Philippines is NOT good at doing.
Joe
If the logic or reasoning behind this provision is indeed the national security angle, then in effect it is like saying that it is okay for that dual citizen to elect anybody who could be potentially a national security risk so long as the latter owes only one allegiance.
In the annals of national security cases, it is arguably clear that they have been perpetrated by citizens of the countries involved, rather than by foreigners or those holding dual citizenship.
In the not too distant past, I recall an American Jesuit priest being appointed as a leading and pivotal member of the local planning board. He acquited himself quite creditably, making valuable contributions, and did not raise any questions from the citizens about his important appointment.
Yes Joe, one can never be sure even with the locals but that’s another matter. In the case of dual citizens, they have taken an explicit oath of loyalty to a foreign country. In the event of a conflict of interest between the two countries, which oath will that dual citizen honor?
cvj,
I am sure a good attorney could concoct a pledge that required primary allegiance to the country of office and procedures to deal with any (rare) potential conflicts of interest, up to and including resigning from office.
I would add, what is the “loyalty” of a citizen scoundrel who would enrich himself at the expense of the public. Security is found in forthright management in the public interest, not hidden accounting, self-service, and corruption. Corruption as practiced in the Philippines so diminishes the value of “citizenship” to the point that it is worthless. Better an honest, capable foreign president than citizen scoundrels like those parading every day before the public’s pride-bound eyes.
How secure is the Philippines, really, from itself?
Joe
Loyalty? National interest? Really? Since when?
Pila for hours? buti na lang may kakilala?
e kung gugustuhin talaga, i’ll have the comelec registrar come to my house with the form that i need to fill up.
but, even if i can do that, i will not.
i will register EARLY so i don’t have to fall in line.
this article shows three features OF Filipino culture
1 – Procastination
2 – Impunity – getting away with falling in line
3 – Cronyism – may kakilala sa loob, get preferential treatment
Aren’t items 2 and 3 supposedly the very things that Noynoy wants to do away with? Interesting take on “do what I say but don’t do what I do”.
bongv,
you are missing the main point of this blog… let me repeat what MB’s GOOD POINT…
To register early, the department must make people aware especially that procastination and impunity are a GIVEN problems for management to solve…
I believe that people are manageable regardless of their attitudes and traits. One must be a good leader or a good manager to understand that EVERY problem has a solution to benefit the public.
The problem of the people should not be an excused for mismanagement because the problems of the people is not new. It’s been there all along since 19 forgotten. The inability to predict ” magulo and mataas na pila” are not the people’s problem but the problem of this department….
People will procrastinate when motivation and trust are no longer there ( apathy) at least in this issue.
will see how this department improve its service to the filipino people…
Yeah… it’s a given, a problem to be solved.
Decades problem, people still talking about the problem to be solved, have not solved the problem yet – except kung “may konek”, “may datung”…
Kaya hannggang ngayon, ang Pilipinas at mga Pilipino.. WALA PA RING ASENSO!!!
heheh. no effect, leytenian. as BongV would always insists, it’s the people’s fault because it’s the people who elected the politicians, ahahayhehehe.
kaya, leytenian, the lack of forms and biometrics machines was the people’s fault because comelec was not funded enough by Andaya the finance secretary and Andaya was appointed by President GMA and President GMA was elected, elected?, by the people.
Therefore, according to BongV, it’s the people’s fault.
COMELEC is not doing anything different with the way business is done at the DFA, LTO, SEC, PNP, NBI, Land Bank, BID, Customs, DTI, DOJ, Post Office, DPWH, MIAA, etc…
Always the same retarted “system” and dumb a$$ monkeys at the counters. It’s not about money or the need for “High tech” solutions. It’s all about common sense.
And I think I’m starting to agree with Leytenian here. The Filipino as a people are just too stupid, they have to be managed.
Did leytenian wrote that Pinoys are stupid?
“COMELEC is not doing anything different with the way business is done at the DFA, LTO, SEC, PNP, NBI, Land Bank, BID, Customs, DTI, DOJ, Post Office, DPWH, MIAA, etc…”
“The Filipino as a people are just too stupid, they have to be managed”
Here’s another clueless one blaming the people, because Gloria appointed corrupt heads of government agencies. It’s the people’s fault daw, ahayhehehe.
Semplang!
Ya sure bert. Before Gloria it was Erap’s fault, before that tabako, then cory, then Makoy. It’s the Americans fault, the Japanese, the Spaniards. Developed countries are just so lucky to have their benevolent rulers. boo hoo hoo
ya, sure, Ski. Gloria is benevolent too, ask yourself, The Real Deal and rego. President Bush of USA is benevolent too, don’t ask my American friend Joe. In the Philippines, your own country, you think the Filipino, your own people is a stupid people. Gloria is innocent, it’s the people’s fault, you saying, for Gloria being there sitting on the throne and appointing corrupt government leaders.
Tell us, Ski, are you the “surge-the-gates” type, or the “move on” type?
That’s what happens when your thinking is so narrow – that the only options you can think of are very limited. That’s called a false dilemma.
Do your due diligence.
1 – Review the candidate’s background, education, career, accomplishments (something recognized by world renowned institutions even), public pronouncements (check if the public pronouncements are consistent – hint: weed out liars!)
2 – Review the candidate’s family and friends (feathers of the same feather, be careful of crime lords (jueteng, etc) bankrolling/fraternizing with a candidate – wink, wink)
3 – Review the platform – Is the platform credible? Is it substantive? Is it consistent with previous public pronouncements, actions (hint: watch for “pro-poor” hacienderos who gave out useless pieces of paper instead of land)
4 – Get engaged in the process. Democracy does not end with casting a ballot – that’s just the beginning. If you want to go through the whole nine yards:
That’s more productive, proactive, more responsible, more sustainable than ANTIQUATED-SURGE-THE-GATES-TACTICS.
bongv,
do not assume that mang juan and pedro are highly skilled human resource management personnel who can assess, review the candidate’s background and has all the time in the world to get engage to find the best possible candidate. to me, this is the reality- it’s the main problem of the Philippines. So what’s the solution to make them productive. Like the horse must drink? well the horses are not working because of lack of employment. A horse is not going to drink because he is not tired enough from work. Trust me, if you make the horse run for miles and work his butt off, the horse will automatically drink the water without you telling him. When people are productively busy, many will learn to manage their time according to their busy schedule… Mang Juan and Pedro are only busy making babies and watching wowoweee.
yeah you have a point but you are targeting the middle income earners who can understand where you coming from but it’s the minority of this country. Not all middle income earners have all the time too to advance their advocacy to help.
leytenian:
am sure you have heard this – step up, shape up or ship out. and no, you can’t have the cake and eat it too.
leytenian:
really?
so what differentiates manny pacquaio from other pinoys who rely on brawn?
he had little education like other blue class pinoys.
he was a stevedore, and worked in the wet market, like blue class pinoys.
but, he had a can-do attitude that was willing to sacrifice more than other blue class pinoys.
he could have wined and dined like flash elorde or rex naverrette and watch his career slide down the drain. BUT, he did not – that, is an attitude that is geared towards success.
he may very well have been like as you said – “just making babies and watching wowowee” – but HE DID NOT DO SO. Gets?
“That’s called a false dilemma.”-BongV
Heheh, a ‘false dilemma’ of a pot, calling the kettle black, ahayhehehehe.
“Do your due diligence.
1 – Review the candidate’s background, education, career, accomplishments (something recognized by world renowned institutions even), public pronouncements (check if the public pronouncements are consistent – hint: weed out liars!)
2 – Review the candidate’s family and friends (feathers of the same feather, be careful of crime lords (jueteng, etc) bankrolling/fraternizing with a candidate – wink, wink)
3 – Review the platform – Is the platform credible? Is it substantive? Is it consistent with previous public pronouncements, actions (hint: watch for “pro-poor” hacienderos who gave out useless pieces of paper instead of land)
4 – Get engaged in the process. Democracy does not end with casting a ballot – that’s just the beginning. If you want to go through the whole nine yards:
* contribute to your candidate’s campaign funds
* volunteer time/raise funds for your advocacy
* submit policy papers and lobby your representatives – as an individual and as a group (network with the chambers of commerce, and other civic associations)
* if needed, file complaints against erring public officials, impeach, recall, etc.
* donate your time to immerse and organize a grassroots company toward achieving a level of literacy, productivity, and sufficiency.”-BongV
You’re reading too much of “Utopia”. Wake up na, BongV!
BongV,
Isa kang dakilang tao.
Bert:
You have been living in a pigsty for too long.
That’s why you wind up voting for idiots – your thinking process is so FLAWED!
BongV, walang pikonan. Do you want me to agree with your thinking process? Well, some of your ideas were agreeable, and I did agree with them, if you’ll just be diligent enough to read back in the other threads. But, so sorry, most of your thinking process were disagreeable. Pasensya na, pare ko. Ako nga, puro pasensya sa’yo, kaya quits na tayo. Nothing personal as far as I am concern, ewan ko sa’yo. Cheer up man.
Tsaka, BongV, hindi mo naman alam kung sino ang ibinoto ko, at kung sino ang iboboto ko sa 2010 so how the heck have you connected it to my thinking process? FLAWED?
Also, BongV, if by ‘pigsty’ you mean my country, my Philippines, you’re right, I’ve been here for too long, and, will never abandon it for all your dollars.
In addition, BongV, I am mighty proud of my “pigsty, FYI.
Bert:
You voted for Arroyo in 2004.
You claimed she was “clea”n and then became “dirty” after becoming president. I disagree.
During 2004, Arroyo was pitted against FPJ and Roco.
As VP, she made a statement in December 30, 2003 that “God” told her not to run for President – and that she took it to heart. It was a statement made during a public ceremony to commemorate Rizal’s Birthday.
Months later, she ran – that was a clear outright lie.
If after such lying activity, you still considered her “clean” – either:
A – you were not listening when the pronouncement was made
B – you heard the pronouncement – but glossed over it.
C – in your book, lying is “clean”
All three instances show a flaw in the thinking process – lack of attention, incosistency of definition, or just plain muddle-headed.
Thus, your statement that she was “clean” before she became president is highly contentious – and the thinking processes that led to such a conclusion are FLAWED.
“You voted for Arroyo in 2004.”
BongV, not correct, I never voted for GMA for president.
“As VP, she made a statement in December 30, 2003 that “God” told her not to run for President – and that she took it to heart.”
Your saying that she said she would not run for president in that statement of hers is a fallacy. She did not say she will not run. If she did not follow what her “God” told her then it reflects her lack of faith in her “God”, not her resolves to run for president.
“You claimed she was “clea”n and then became “dirty” after becoming president.”
My claim, “She was clean before she became president…” is a true statement.
“I disagree.”
If you disagree to a true statement, you’re wrong.
“Thus, your statement that she was “clean” before she became president is highly contentious – and the thinking processes that led to such a conclusion are FLAWED.”
Not highly contentious. A true statement is a true statement.
Any and all thinking process DIVERTING FROM a true statement are FLAWED.
Therefore, it’s not, repeat NOT, my thinking that is FLAWED!
P.S.
“C – in your book, lying is “clean””
No, in my book, lying is dirty…very dirty.
However, President GMA’s saying while president already that she’ll not run for president but run just the same in the 2004 presidential election could be considered lying, or, a changed of mind.
BongV, do you think if you changed your mind you are lying?
On the contrary, Bert. It is a common practice in the developed economies. It’s the sort of thing that made people go for an Obama instead of a McCain. Items 1, 2, and 3 – that’s called vetting the candidate. You don’t vet, you lose your bet. Didn’t vet Arroyo enough, did not select upright Congressman,
when it came to impeachment time, the only recourse people can think about is “surge-the-gates”.When they could have been proactive and done better. See, that’s what you get when you don’t do your homework, and don’t do it right, too.
Item 4 – that’s volunteerism and is also a common practice in the developed economies. Of course, I understand where you are coming from – in the Philippines volunteerism is forced upon by a catastrophe as a knee-jerk reaction. Case in point Ondoy. All it took is All Saints Day for Pinoys to go about “business as usual” with cemeteries and roads littered by heaps and mountains of trash. It’s not even two months since Ondoy, and yet, here are the Pilipinos going about in their litterbug ways – as usual. Then they will “surge the gates” because the government did not take care of the waste. In the first place, people shouldn’t even be generating that waste.
In the developed economies, volunteerism is a conscious committment to a sustained activity that has desired results based upon a program or a mix of programs. Of course, it sounds like “Utopia” to you. Likewise, I’d say you’ve been living in Dante’s Inferno for too long, makes a pigsty feel like a deluxe suite in the Marriott. :)
hehehe, more of the same disagreeable thinking processes of yours, BongV. and you’re expecting anyone to agree with you?
will serve you better if you concentrate on selling your sour ideas to your tsewarewarewaps who, I’m sure, are salivating now, wanting to hear more of those craps, ahayhehehe.
I know where you are coming from. While there is a big difference between lying and changing someone’s mind,more often than not politicians tend to blur the line.
Lying is saying something you know or believe not to be true.
Changing your mind is changing your knowledge or belief based on evidence that recently came to your attention.
Having said that, let’s go over this for the umpteenth time….
Scenario A – If she knew that her options were still open, but made a politically-palatable pronouncement to calm the waters – the VP was lying!
Scenario B – If at the moment she was fully convinced she was not running, then after being “convinced”, she changed her mind – the VP was not lying.
In both scenarios, she changed her mind. But:
In Scenario A (lying), she changed her mind about hiding her true intentions.
In Scenario B (not lying), she changed her mind and was convinced to run.
Now if you do believe, that Scenario B was the mode when she made the pronouncement – you are right that she was not lying but just changed her mind. However, if you fall for that, I’d say that’s the height of naivete – and the saying a fool and his money is soon parted and he will be surging the gates soon enough.
“Now if you do believe, that Scenario B was the mode when she made the pronouncement – you are right that she was not lying but just changed her mind.”
BongV,
I never said she was not lying, where did you get the idea? I was asking your opinion on the question “do you think if you change your mind you are lying?”.
If your answer is yes, then that’s your opinion.
If your answer is no, then that’s your opinion too.
So, what’s your answer?
If you ask me the same question, then I will give you my own opinion of the matter.
Enough of this, paikot na, you will have the last words.
bongv,
until now you haven’t realized that the people of the Philippines really needs training and step by step guidance to improve their skills in a positive way. Manny Pacquiao is a talent and spent time training therefore it is “time” to educate the many talented filipinos.
The people are smart, innately smart but don’t have this particular skill set yet.
leytenian:
yeah – they are so retarded they have to be trained and nannied.
they have to be trained to register before the last day of registration?
wow, ganun na talaga kabobo at kairesponsable ang mga pilipinong nasa pilipinas?
And the management’s soloution was? Consider the months of advanced reminders to register early – and yet, MB still has to show up on the last day?
Manage people who can’t manage themselves sounds good – and implies, the homeland Filipino is too stupid to manage himself, is highly undisciplined, and acts with impunity. Hell yeah!
Since they can’t manage themselves to come before the last day, though there was enough time to register prior to the last day – there has to be someone else other than the individual Filipino who has to be blamed because the individual Fiulipino cannot be held responsible – otherwise, he wouldn’t be a homeland Filipino – irresponsibl and undisciplinede ,that is.
What’s a ‘homeland’ Filipino?
a homeland filipino – those who are living in the those 7,100 islands known as the Philippines.
Leytenian:
And the management’s soloution was?
Consider the months of advanced reminders to register early – and yet, people still had to show up on the last day of registration?
Manage people who can’t manage themselves sounds good – and implies, the homeland Filipino is too stupid to manage himself, is highly undisciplined, and acts with impunity. Hell yeah!
Since they can’t manage themselves to come before the last day, though there was enough time to register prior to the last day – there has to be someone else other than the individual Filipino who has to be blamed because the individual Filipino cannot be held responsible – otherwise, he wouldn’t be a homeland Filipino – irresponsible and undisciplined ,that is.
You can take the horse to the water, but the horse has to do the drinking.
You can have all your managers put the systems in place (good luck).
At the end of the day your managers will still return to the solution which involves people changing their habits, values, attitudes, and lifestyles – sweetheart, that’s smells like… talks like.. walks like.. quacks like… culture
- that the horse may realize the water is clean and will quench its thirst.
Bongv,
I am now believing that the managers or the elected officers have the same mind as you do . It’s the main reason why this country cannot move forward.
If you happen to become a mayor having the majority given as ” stupid ” for example, I’m not sure if you are capable of turning things around and provide solution to the ” stupid” majority or ” vacuous majority”.
Yes.. “you can take the horse to the water, but the horse has to do the drinking”
Who is the horse…? if you are the mayor, you must have the WILL to make the horse to drink….
Please don’t excuse the stupidity of the people for accidentally or wrongly put you in office ( example only) , it will still not excuse you from ” PUBLIC DUTY”. The rule of law will always say …. you are solely responsible for the actions of your sub employees or the people you are serving….
Put yourself as the mayor or the senator, or maybe the president… I think you will see a better view…..
Solution to the problem:
1. educate the people ( online capabilities, data management, advancing technology at a very low cost, open sub stations or open mini locations for registration during rush hours, hire more people-train these new people … and many more… all that requires budget management too and how revenue from employment returns income taxes to the city…
2. create an awareness program such as ” the most organized city in the Philippines”, the ” most organized mayor ” or the most high tech city” ….. there are many strategies to create competition and awareness.
So if you happen to be an official, provide then the solution to the problem you wrote…
Bongv, you are giving more problems than solution, please don’t run for office if you happen to go home… kawawa si mang juan and pedro, walang matutunan sayo..
I wil wait for your strong reaction…. LOL
Leytenian:
Once again, you are putting the cart before the horse.
First – you need to get a mayor who has the vision and the expertise to deliver. Before you put yourself into the shoes of the mayor, governor, president, bago ka mag-ilusyon, get elected first! :)
Fact is, there are only a few who do deliver. Maybe there aren’t enough Martians or Jupiterians to vote them into the position of mayor?
1. Awareness? Ok, awareness that election registration is up and coming was disseminated. You open more substations, hire temps, to meet the groundswell (which could have been avoided in the first place) – guess what you just bloated your budget – anong klaseng manager yan – very wasteful. Had people come in prior to the last day, anytime during the registration period except the last day – you need not waste all that. But you have an undisciplined mob – thus you have excess expenses, cost overruns. Gets?
19 kupong kupong pa yang best best na yan, what have you got to show for it? more of the same o same o. Gets?
2. Educate the people- Ayaw ngang magpa-educate eh. They want to do it their way NOT your way. Gets?
3. More problems than solution- Hmmm… lemme see.. I have not run for public office, I have implemented a volunteer-based sustainable program that raised the educational standards of post-conflict communities in North/South Sotabato all the way to SoCSargen-SK, including communities in the Cordilleras, Palawan, Jolo, Aparri, Cebu, Antique, Iligan – that touches the lives of students, faculty, and communities. Roughly 5,000 direct beneficiaries on an annual basis running for four years now.
On the process I have mobilized the fil-am communities in the the East and West Coast – from Santa Rosa, Cali to Virginia Beach, to Michigan. to Florida – so take your pick of programs – wanna put your money where your mouth is?
I have gotten these communities to work together, helped these communities open markets overseas (i.e. kopi luwak or civet coffee as a premium coffee brand at $40 per cup in Miami, $50 to $65 per cup in NYC). And the process is being replicated.
Walang eleksyon eleksyon yan, walang politika.
So tell me again – ano uli yung tanong mo?
on your 1 explanation- it tells me you may not understand what generates employment in a problematic country even just the basic. anyway, you definitely can react strongly like a woman… lol
leytenian:
Really? What generates employment? Hmmm..
From 1994-1997 my team and I in the Investment Generation and projects Development Division of the Davao Investment Promotion Center (DIPC) of the “Invest In Davao” Project – brought in $1B (at $1=PhP26) which when adjusted to 2009 rates is USD $2B – investments on the ground – in Davao City. These investments-on-the-ground generated more than 10,000 direct jobs. Factor in horizontal and vertical integration and that becomes easily 500,000 jobs.
so tell me again, what was your question about generating employment?
So tell me again
never mind bongv, it’s very difficult to explain to a Mang Juan…lol
And for the coup-de-grace, here’s the Inquirer editorial:
you are negative in your view… yo did not even see the positive side of the filipino people…
Here’s what the system is doing to the people.
The system was open everyday, the reminders were out every day. All the time the system was not being used – on those days.
Then a mad rush on the last day.
That’s no longer the system. It’s people who manage to screw every system known to man.
” never mind bongv, it’s very difficult to explain to a Mang Juan…lol ” leytenian
This is how you communicate to mang juan: ” psssst! Hoy Tanga, wag ka dyan magtapon ng basura. Bobo! bakit ka dyan umihihi? nag register ka na ba? ay stupido! “
Leytenian:
This is how you communicate to Mang Juan:
* kawawa naman ho kayo, sige OK lang magtapon ng basura kahit saan
* kawawa naman ho kayo, sige OK lang umihi kahit saan
* kawawa naman ho kayo, sige OK lang register on the last day – it is okay to procastinate.
true ski… that’s what bongv is trying to tell the ‘Bobo” and the “stupido” without carefully looking on basic supply and demand…
on public restrooms, when there are too many people in a square kilometer or square mile, there must be an equivalent numbers of restrooms that the “bobo” and the “stupido” can go . Another problem of city mayors and regional policymaker- where most public officials will put up a sign na ” bawal umihi dito” and yet no alternative public restrooms are provided to the public except the excuse of lack of budget…
Saan iihi si “bobo” at saka si ” stupido” ? emergency pa naman…
so what is the point of this blog post? are you saying u didnt use connections? this is a thought experiment?
isang thought experiment nga eh
if so, it wasnt very clear in the blog post — hence my misunderstanding.
bongv
until now bongv, you still haven’t grasped the reality of system failure. System failure can be classified under three categories: overuse (the service is unlikely to have net benefit), underuse (a potentially beneficial service is withheld), and misuse (a service is inappropriately used). Which category applies to Philippines in terms of system implementation for good governance.
This systemic problem of poor governance in Philippine Public Management requires changes to the system design, including possible reorganization of resources like replacing some top-level public official in charge.
While there has been no unified effort to address the problem , the positive side is that the awareness of the issue has been growing among the people.
bongv
obviously the system is not working for the people, the mad rush on the last day is the result of system failure. who is responsible to make the system work PRIMARILY? who is responsible to at least initiate and think outside the box at the last minute?
1. Use of information technology, to eliminate reliance on handwriting to speed time.
2. Standardization of policies and protocols to avoid long lines and ” connections”
there’s plenty of strategies. If Comelec are good in problem solving at the last minute, the department can ask universities or churces to assist with registrations especially if the alibi is out of budget. There’s so many teachers and priests who will volunteer on weekend but then, this department doesn’t even have enough forms and no online capabilities to print from pdf files…. hay naku…
so sino ngayon ang bobo? si mang juan or si official pedro?
leytenian:
there’s plenty of strategies – but are these:
a) cost-effective and
b) secure
c) are people willing to follow the system? :)
wala na, pagdating mo sa letter C, you fall flat on your face again.
“so sino ngayon ang bobo? si mang juan or si official pedro?” leteynian
Ang trabaho ni official pedro ay ang systemado at effiecient na pamamalakad ng organization niya. Hindi kailangan hugasan ni mang pedro ang pwet ni mang juan retarded.
what if mang juan like bongv are retarded talaga? anong gawin nang systema? no back up forms, no queeing? no numbers?
the system is making the lives of many filipinos in HELL..
yes, hugasan ni pedro and pwet ni mang juan because that is exactly Pedro’s PUBLIC duty. Pedro is a PUBLIC servant.
Why are some public officials forgetting their roles that he/she is a PUBLIC servant. In the Philippines, the people are their servants. kaya baliktad ang mundo nang pinas…
yun nga e, queuing na lang.
i request people to line up. and nobody wants to line up because they just want to be first – e talagang mga retarded :)
asus, pumunta ka ng pilipinas, work in government, tingnan natin kung hanggang saan ang aabutin mo. walk your talk!
“asus, pumunta ka ng pilipinas, work in government, tingnan natin kung hanggang saan ang aabutin mo. walk your talk!” bongv.
you are again confirming that the Philippines has no hope regardless of who will run for office… yup, walk the talk… you should tell that to the public officials who applied for the jobs.
each of us has its own goal in life. What i’m doing here is to share my opinion about GOVERNANCE. No more no less. I was speaking base from my work experience not because I want to do a new job and quit my current job.
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