Comments on: Who Profits From Filipino Voices? http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices Powered By A Collective Voice Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:47:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: rockersworld.com » Filipino Voices - My Choice http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-8993 rockersworld.com » Filipino Voices - My Choice Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:19:09 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-8993 [...] Filipino Voices? If you’ve read this post “Who Profits from Filipino Voices“, you can see how passionate the bloggers in Filipino Voices. In fact, it exists because of: [...] [...] Filipino Voices? If you’ve read this post “Who Profits from Filipino Voices“, you can see how passionate the bloggers in Filipino Voices. In fact, it exists because of: [...]

]]> By: Bencard http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7844 Bencard Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:44:00 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7844 ding, while we may have a free "marketplace of ideas, bogus and fradulent assertions, like fake merchandise, should have no place in it. "journalists" and alternative media practitioners, aka, bloggers, should be responsible and careful enough not to peddle nmalicious gossips as "truth". the least they could do is identify their report for what they are - unsubstantiated claims. such kind of "communicat(ors)" are a menace to society because they have a tendency to be believed by the unsophisticated and the gullible. i believe that a truly free market of ideas can only flourish in an educated, discerning, and questioning kind of society, which can undetake its own reality check without the influence and control of big brother mnedia or big brother government. ding, while we may have a free “marketplace of ideas, bogus and fradulent assertions, like fake merchandise, should have no place in it. “journalists” and alternative media practitioners, aka, bloggers, should be responsible and careful enough not to peddle nmalicious gossips as “truth”. the least they could do is identify their report for what they are – unsubstantiated claims. such kind of “communicat(ors)” are a menace to society because they have a tendency to be believed by the unsophisticated and the gullible. i believe that a truly free market of ideas can only flourish in an educated, discerning, and questioning kind of society, which can undetake its own reality check without the influence and control of big brother mnedia or big brother government.

]]> By: Ding G. Gagelonia http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7829 Ding G. Gagelonia Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:29:04 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7829 From where is writer sits, and blogs, it is not so much as to try to impose my view and have people adopt them. This whole exercise called communication, human communication, to be precise is about 'communing', about making ourselves understood as to understand and learn from others in the to and from of ideas. We are in the 'marketplace of ideas', aren't we all. Otherwise, the Internet itself, and the eyeball count, the clicks, visits and read would all be meaningless. It's about having our common, and not too common, thoughts resonate. From where is writer sits, and blogs, it is not so much as to try to impose my view and have people adopt them.

This whole exercise called communication, human communication, to be precise is about ‘communing’, about making ourselves understood as to understand and learn from others in the to and from of ideas. We are in the ‘marketplace of ideas’, aren’t we all.

Otherwise, the Internet itself, and the eyeball count, the clicks, visits and read would all be meaningless.

It’s about having our common, and not too common, thoughts resonate.

]]> By: Danilo U. Ignacio http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7805 Danilo U. Ignacio Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:08:08 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7805 As such, theres is a necessity for FV to be strong to build a strong public opinion and effect change in the society. Supposed to be, it must be one of the bases of every public policy which aims ultimately for the general welfare. unfortunately, most of the policy-makers are elites, elite puppets or with elite mentality who do not hold nor honor the opinion of the public they represent. What is going on here in the Philippines are but by-products of faulty policies. Philippine policies cooked in the senate and congress do not reflect in anyway the FV i.e. Filipino Voices but only the FV i.e. Few Voices. Policy-makers therefore do not embody what FV wants to be. The same goes through with respect to the Bangsamoro. Corrupt elite Moro politicians are exploited by the government to exploit their own people. Policy-makers instead pit one people against another in these Islands. As such, theres is a necessity for FV to be strong to build a strong public opinion and effect change in the society. Supposed to be, it must be one of the bases of every public policy which aims ultimately for the general welfare. unfortunately, most of the policy-makers are elites, elite puppets or with elite mentality who do not hold nor honor the opinion of the public they represent. What is going on here in the Philippines are but by-products of faulty policies. Philippine policies cooked in the senate and congress do not reflect in anyway the FV i.e. Filipino Voices but only the FV i.e. Few Voices. Policy-makers therefore do not embody what FV wants to be. The same goes through with respect to the Bangsamoro. Corrupt elite Moro politicians are exploited by the government to exploit their own people. Policy-makers instead pit one people against another in these Islands.

]]> By: Danilo U. Ignacio http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7800 Danilo U. Ignacio Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:47:08 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7800 With due respect to all, it is my opinion that some if not most people blog in order to impose their system of looking things going around that shape our society. Our friend DJB must have been honestly practical when he told me “But of course I want you to think as I do and to agree with me. Why else would I blog??... Then went to say, “If I am successful, reasonable and persuasive enough, you will do that all by your own Free Will.” To me this is just fair. In the meantime, I have also this feeling of “discretion check” perhaps in my self how do I have the gut to disagree with him despite his deep wisdom. But wisdom is never persistence to personal claims. To me, our right to press or freedom of expression guaranteed in fundamental laws never permit us to go beyond immoral bounds nor leave the ethical parameters of scholarship and tarnish the reputation of journalism. Such right does not permit us to monopolize the claim for truth so that what others might say especially when it differs from ours shall be brushed aside as wrong. Issues are critical so that we do not only get the pros and cons sides of them. These could be transformative and could help provide healing repairs to social damages affecting relations of everyone when these are presented with due sensitivity. As such, our freedom of expression, to me, is coupled with reciprocal responsibility to verify whether what we unleash as “truth” for us might be “untruth” to others. I believe “truth” is always objective - it just becomes subjective when our way of expressing and carrying it out is colored by our personal biases against others. As such again, that freedom of expression does not accord us persistence to our perceptions when proven false eventually in the end; it does not accord us the liberty, despite its falsity, to perpetuate its falsehood especially when such things we believe in as “truth” are quoted out of context of the real issue or emanates from sources whose venue for proof, let alone reproof, is so remote to go after, or when these streams from deep-seated prejudice towards others whom we hardly know i.e. we judge others by the first sight of them, or by the miscreants of some of their kind which does not in reality apply to them all. In the world we live in, we are exposed to the reality of differences; yet being different is socially healthy when we always observe the human way to “agree to disagree.” Therefore, our freedom of expression holds us accountable to continuously seek for truth and rectify errors we hold on in the past which we used to judge others. This is the requirement of our dehumanized humanity today. Bloggers all the time invoke this right. Yet as they, (whose supposed role is to repair damages to social relations due to disinformation and misinformation of people by their circumstances in the past and eventually reconstruct our society thence rebuild the community of human specie as God wants us to be) must all the time open to differences of opinions and worldviews. Though it’s not easy not to take sides all the time but bloggs therefore must not be a mouthpiece of hate campaigns and prejudice propaganda cloaked in well-researched rhetorical arguments and semantic gymnastics. “Adversarial discussions” says another local journalist Pat is but dignified when it aims to seek truth in the end as “truth shall set us free” says a Biblical quote. We have to help one another rebuild the world we dream about, says one of my professors. (A world despite its cultural diversity and multi-ethnicity is still united by the common humanity of its inhabitants). I stand corrected. With due respect to all, it is my opinion that some if not most people blog in order to impose their system of looking things going around that shape our society. Our friend DJB must have been honestly practical when he told me “But of course I want you to think as I do and to agree with me. Why else would I blog??… Then went to say, “If I am successful, reasonable and persuasive enough, you will do that all by your own Free Will.” To me this is just fair. In the meantime, I have also this feeling of “discretion check” perhaps in my self how do I have the gut to disagree with him despite his deep wisdom. But wisdom is never persistence to personal claims. To me, our right to press or freedom of expression guaranteed in fundamental laws never permit us to go beyond immoral bounds nor leave the ethical parameters of scholarship and tarnish the reputation of journalism. Such right does not permit us to monopolize the claim for truth so that what others might say especially when it differs from ours shall be brushed aside as wrong. Issues are critical so that we do not only get the pros and cons sides of them. These could be transformative and could help provide healing repairs to social damages affecting relations of everyone when these are presented with due sensitivity. As such, our freedom of expression, to me, is coupled with reciprocal responsibility to verify whether what we unleash as “truth” for us might be “untruth” to others. I believe “truth” is always objective – it just becomes subjective when our way of expressing and carrying it out is colored by our personal biases against others. As such again, that freedom of expression does not accord us persistence to our perceptions when proven false eventually in the end; it does not accord us the liberty, despite its falsity, to perpetuate its falsehood especially when such things we believe in as “truth” are quoted out of context of the real issue or emanates from sources whose venue for proof, let alone reproof, is so remote to go after, or when these streams from deep-seated prejudice towards others whom we hardly know i.e. we judge others by the first sight of them, or by the miscreants of some of their kind which does not in reality apply to them all. In the world we live in, we are exposed to the reality of differences; yet being different is socially healthy when we always observe the human way to “agree to disagree.” Therefore, our freedom of expression holds us accountable to continuously seek for truth and rectify errors we hold on in the past which we used to judge others. This is the requirement of our dehumanized humanity today. Bloggers all the time invoke this right. Yet as they, (whose supposed role is to repair damages to social relations due to disinformation and misinformation of people by their circumstances in the past and eventually reconstruct our society thence rebuild the community of human specie as God wants us to be) must all the time open to differences of opinions and worldviews. Though it’s not easy not to take sides all the time but bloggs therefore must not be a mouthpiece of hate campaigns and prejudice propaganda cloaked in well-researched rhetorical arguments and semantic gymnastics. “Adversarial discussions” says another local journalist Pat is but dignified when it aims to seek truth in the end as “truth shall set us free” says a Biblical quote. We have to help one another rebuild the world we dream about, says one of my professors. (A world despite its cultural diversity and multi-ethnicity is still united by the common humanity of its inhabitants). I stand corrected.

]]> By: retsytomaquin http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7725 retsytomaquin Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:21:21 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7725 its better for me to rest, wla pa ako tulog. di na ako marunong magsulat.hehe........ its better for me to rest, wla pa ako tulog. di na ako marunong magsulat.hehe……..

]]> By: Bencard http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7724 Bencard Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:19:25 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7724 and what is your definition of "facts", patricio mangubat? btw, i believe you were addressing my post @ 11:45 pm (not solidpinoy's), weren't you? and what is your definition of “facts”, patricio mangubat?

btw, i believe you were addressing my post @ 11:45 pm (not solidpinoy’s), weren’t you?

]]> By: retsytomaquin http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7723 retsytomaquin Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:16:37 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7723 Patricio: In your article presented [Who Profits From Filipino Voices?]I am one of the ordinary person who expressed my inner ideas regarding the current Philippine situation. I was confident then in commenting the different articles in the FV. As a citizen in this country, I deem that this is part of my Social responsibility. In the article, you adhere the notion that FV formed the mental aspiration of the Filipinos and you presented it merely as an opinion. I do value your opinion, in that I agree with you. There is only one thing that made me a little Hisitant in commenting varied articles presented by the brillant BLoggers due to a certain fact that some of this Bloggers are coming from Middle classes & perhaps elite classes in the context of Phil. Social Strata. It is hard for a an ordinary person like me to contribute ideas, but I manage to be involved. I am not a journalist by profession but in every comments that I made in Past articles, I considered it a challenge just to be part in this site, So that my opinions will echo & principally the readers of the FV can find justification through participative opinions. Thus, Social Stratification is a manifestation of different perception in life. However, I find them highly intellectual. Totally, the concept of Public Opinion is already formed when the majority share a common view pertaining to an issue. In this present time the role of Public Opinion in a Democratic Society is one way in analyzing social behavior of Man. To sum it up this site[FV] contributed one hundred percent[100%]in drawing collaborative opinion that might lead to action. It is certain that writing is so Influential in making the whole archipelago United. Towards expressing our ideas in this site[FV]the whole country is awakened! Since, you mentioned about the Propaganda movement & The Katipunan as part of our Historiography. Let, me share my opinion, The Propaganda Movement & the Katipunan sprung due to NATIONALISM spirit of the Filipinos & As we all know, Nationalism is devotion to one's country. In this present scenario of the Philippines with the aid of Filipino Voices, It is definite that it will be possible that thousands of Filipinos will be solidified & stand for what is right & stand for a cause! Lastly, I want to reiterate that I am not member of any Press, I am not as brillant as Sir DJB, Thus my English language is only plain & simple as presented to what I have written. I am thankful to you Patricio for such article! Wala tlaga ako plano mag comment ngunit ng nabasa ko yong feed article I really find it interesting. Mas marami pang mga Filipinos in whatever Social Strata will present their views & participate in the FV. Patricio:
In your article presented [Who Profits From Filipino Voices?]I am one of the ordinary person who expressed my inner ideas regarding the current Philippine situation. I was confident then in commenting the different articles in the FV. As a citizen in this country, I deem that this is part of my Social responsibility. In the article, you adhere the notion that FV formed the mental aspiration of the Filipinos and you presented it merely as an opinion. I do value your opinion, in that I agree with you. There is only one thing that made me a little Hisitant in commenting varied articles presented by the brillant BLoggers due to a certain fact that some of this Bloggers are coming from Middle classes & perhaps elite classes in the context of Phil. Social Strata. It is hard for a an ordinary person like me to contribute ideas, but I manage to be involved. I am not a journalist by profession but in every comments that I made in Past articles, I considered it a challenge just to be part in this site, So that my opinions will echo & principally the readers of the FV can find justification through participative opinions. Thus, Social Stratification is a manifestation of different perception in life. However, I find them highly intellectual. Totally, the concept of Public Opinion is already formed when the majority share a common view pertaining to an issue. In this present time the role of Public Opinion in a Democratic Society is one way in analyzing social behavior of Man. To sum it up this site[FV] contributed one hundred percent[100%]in drawing collaborative opinion that might lead to action.
It is certain that writing is so Influential in making the whole archipelago United. Towards expressing our ideas in this site[FV]the whole country is awakened!
Since, you mentioned about the Propaganda movement & The Katipunan as part of our Historiography. Let, me share my opinion, The Propaganda Movement & the Katipunan sprung due to NATIONALISM spirit of the Filipinos & As we all know, Nationalism is devotion to one’s country. In this present scenario of the Philippines with the aid of Filipino Voices, It is definite that it will be possible that thousands of Filipinos will be solidified & stand for what is right & stand for a cause!

Lastly, I want to reiterate that I am not member of any Press, I am not as brillant as Sir DJB, Thus my English language is only plain & simple as presented to what I have written.

I am thankful to you Patricio for such article! Wala tlaga ako plano mag comment ngunit ng nabasa ko yong feed article I really find it interesting. Mas marami pang mga Filipinos in whatever Social Strata will present their views & participate in the FV.

]]> By: The Jester-in-Exile http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7697 The Jester-in-Exile Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:56:33 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7697 says who that there isn't any drinking going on, philman? :D says who that there isn’t any drinking going on, philman? :D

]]> By: Philman http://filipinovoices.com/who-profits-from-filipino-voices/comment-page-1#comment-7695 Philman Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:45:20 +0000 http://www.filipinovoices.com/?p=681#comment-7695 There is a German phrase "Sein nicht so ernstlich," the literal translation of which is don't take it too seriously. Well yes, the interaction of blogger's views with commenters' counterpoints should be informative and assist in shaping an informed opinion of readers. But people should not lose of the fun part. As a commenter over at Manolo's would have it: "Para lang tayong nakukuwentuhan dito" Hopefully, hindi naman usapang lasing. There is a German phrase “Sein nicht so ernstlich,” the literal translation of which is don’t take it too seriously.

Well yes, the interaction of blogger’s views with commenters’ counterpoints should be informative and assist in shaping an informed opinion of readers. But people should not lose of the fun part.

As a commenter over at Manolo’s would have it: “Para lang tayong nakukuwentuhan dito” Hopefully, hindi naman usapang lasing.

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