MMDA Chairman Bayani Fernando must have been given more than enough time during this morning’s interview over DZMM with anchors Anthony Taberna and Gerry Baja of ‘Dos por Dos’, First among the presidentiables to be interviewed by that radio station, Bayani appears to have always carried himself with that rather ‘household’ humility, a trait entirely missing from the other presidential wannabes.
It turns out that Bayani does not have to believe these surveys ‘pushed’ or ‘pulled’ by either SWS or Pulse, or both which samples from only a 1,200 respondents. According to him, he has his own survey group that even samples from a field of 12,000 respondents across Philippine society which is deemed more reliable than the more reputed polling circuits that placed him way below the top. In his own, which he missed to name, the group’s survey ranks him in the 2nd or the 3rd, something that to him is very ‘encouraging’.
BF seems too ready to answer every kind of questions asked by the DZMM’s anchors and has remain consistently conversational and humble all throughout the interview. That is something one never gets to experience from any of the rest of the pack. But neither is he all that confident of a sure win acknowledging that indeed there are many variables that are simply not within anybody’s control. At that point in time, Bayani is not even sure whether it is he whom Lakas will endorse as the party’s standard bearer but then again, neither does he find any reason for the party to move otherwise but endorse him.
It is clear that Bayani has a plan ready, one of which is not having to mind if GMA will have to be prosecuted during his incumbency, should he win. He thinks that there is no way to deviate from the motion of having to undergo the legal process if also as an opportunity for GMA to clear her name. So, all things seem fair for Bayani – just square. This means, that perhaps, the ‘uncontrolled variables’ will just have run their course.
What struck me is his theory of ‘workplace economics’ which he appears to be conversant on. This, he holds, as the single best formula to address the problems that have always beset Philippine society. And this seems to be his anchorage if he cons the ship of state beyond the waters of so much poverty, hunger, unemployment, and despair. Am no real adherent of the man although as a Marikineno, I am witness to the development that occurred in Marikina City during his term and even this of his wife who is the current city mayor.
Bayani never doubts that what has been done in Marikina can in fact be replicated in grand scale. Could he be wrong if he will not only weld windows but the kind of industrial infrastructures that now have lined the avenues, boulevards, highways of Metro Manila? Do we not want to see more pink steel and concrete in the many other municipalities in the countryside? In no time in the country’s history are we to become future witnesses of what the man can do.
The formula of ‘workplace economics’ is something new in application, the Bayani’s way, if and only if, allowed to be applied. So why not give him a chance if it will not kill anyone? The confidence one can get even if we have to vote for a BF as president is not entirely out of place. The pieces of evidence of what look like the signature of a hardworking industrial designer are all around Metro Manila. Linear development should be allowed to proceed – get BF to get the work done and we might be seeing a better life after 2010.
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Are you endorsing some political aspirants?
Hey, This Web Blog site is for information, for giving your
opinion, for debating issues. We dont believe it should be used
to promote the agendas for any political aspirant.
Your split responses constitute ‘negative endorsement’ of the man I want to inform you about, cutting a bit of my opinion (however seemingly biased but not necessarily so), and edging on issues that confront the day.
In short, all you asked, you actually get. Like you, I do not believe we should be using the site to promote agenda for any political aspirant but not to do so would be much less productive in an environment with a culture for the truth, the just, and the rationality to find alternatives to what ail us as a people.
Nick already enjoined us to share our notions on the 2010, anything 2010 and this is yet the tip of the candle. Light it and you might find your way.
That presidentiables debate in ANC sponsored by Ateneo was an eye opener. It will separate the men from the boys. Hope there will be more like it.
Primer, your manok mo not there, look it Bayani not a Texas, heheh, umpisa pa lang hindi na palaban.
Palagay ko iyong mga hindi sumipot medyo bahag ang buntot, baka mabisto ng public.
His manok is a White Leg Horn. A Tsope. Real men answer hard issues,
present to us solutions to pressing problems, can think on their feet, and can show to us, they can render good decisions. We dont want people manipulated by advisers to rule over us. Ateneo debate is
a good start. We will separate the chaff from the grain. Examine
their brains, warts and all. Congratulation to those who attended.
You pass the tests. Thank you for responding to us, voters.
I straggle..
Kelan ung debate?
Kahapon, Jay.
You mean ‘karambola’ as in throwing all the roosters?
That might not be productive for the man whose mantra is “productivity the key”.
I vomitted any number of times having to listen to these honorable men in animated debates in the House as in the Senate. For a change, do something than clap your hands how you thought too glib, too intelligent the others who were there were forgetting entirely that they came for the show.
This man is not one given to that, if you can please excuse me. But lest you think he is that dumb, please ask tasio to light your candle.
Primer: do you think it means nothing when a person who can organize his thoughts and express himself coherently in a debate?
Primer, I will not think your manok is dumb, never said that. I rather think he’s a doer, and that’s a good quality of a president. But, if by posting this thread you are trying to entice interest for a certain candidate, then antagonizing your reader might not do the work.
Going back to the topic, if Bayani took his time with DZMM to expain his platform of government and you applauded it, why would you vomit if he’ll do it in Ateneo/ANC?
I am not dumb as you think. I own and run a business. Competing
in the most hard business place on earth, the U.S. I have a degree
in Quantum Physics.But, I dont pretend to be better than anybody
else, like any bonehead who claim to be.
Before we even have to know, any further proof will not add any.
And just how good anyway have they exchanged their views – did anybody care enough to blog it here?
They all came from UP, what else is there? Of course, magagaling sila but on second thoughts, I want the next president to let airplanes fly, to let ships cruise (piers, harbors, container yards, cargoes), to let fleets of buses, taxis, transport people from homes to their workplace, to let people cross rivers via bridges, to let cars or automobiles run in fabulous fly-overs, et cetera, et cetera.
Contentious debates are not part of the territory – let the Supreme Court do its work – ‘magpatayan’ sila sabi nga ni leytenian.
We need people and machines, we need to count the verticals, measure the horizontals, count your monies, received the safety nets, and bury corruption deep into the grave.
Then you will accuse me of endorsement.
I have my manok, everybody has his own manok, don’t you have one? What’s embarrasing about having one?
But if Bayani is not your manok, then I erred. I’m sorry.
We dont care of any manok. Just dont try to put the political
agendas of your manok here. He can participate in a debate
like the Ateneo debate to sell his political agenda. The Web
Blog Site is not the proper agenda fo it.
You made it all too clear that the blog is not intended to entice interest in favor of a candidate or why indeed the deceivingly antagonistic response to a comment? Precisely, I neither mean to entice nor to antagonize consistent with the purpose of this site – we engage each other in the discussion of often times irreconcilable worldviews as well as totally irreconcilable personal differences (though not the rule at all).
The interview is far different from the mock debate at the Ateneo. Besides, it was not only BF who did not go (for reasons beyond us) but there must be some other who failed to join. It’s not going to be BF’s last chance to prove himself, is it?
And, Primer, when is a debate a true debate, when is it a mock debate, pray tell? Don’t you want BF to participate in any debate, mock or not?
It wasn’t really a debate, mock or not, but more like a Meet the Press interview. The candidates did not debate with each other or interact. Indeed they were all civil to each other, if not downright chummy. The format was very simple: first individual indepth interviews by Tina Monson Palma and Ricky Carandang, with each being asked a different set of many questions. In part two, all five were onstage and were asked 5 questions out of 20 that they had previously been given copies of.
Personally I think BF should have been there because it would have given him some real national exposure, which the conventional wisdom seems to think is what he needs to do.
Regarding the surveys, if Bayani does not name the survey group, that is like talking about a news report without saying which paper or other media outlet it came from. An unknown survey outfit can hardly inspire confidence or credibility, especially if it claims to be conducting 12,000 respondent statistical surveys which of course costs 10 times as much as 1200 respondent survey and would take 10 times as long to conduct, all other things being equal.
Frankly, the claim of a 12,000 respondent “in-house” survey is hard to believe, if we assume it was scientifically conducted.
Yes actually Ping Lacson called in sick (food poisoning); Manny Villar was abroad until today and is apparently jet-lagged; and Loren Legarda, well I think she just made pakipot. Noli was also a no show. No word though on why Bayani did not show up. There will be other opportunities for him to come into the fray.
These people are afraid to face the pressing issues of the nation.
They thrive on empty slongans and cliches…
Just perhaps a little bit of prematurity.
Perhaps until I discovered for myself that the good debaters don’t really mean anything at all. My memory isn’t that short, rest assured.
Good piece Primer! But you know, was really disappointed he did not show up at the ABSCBN News gig tonight at the Ateneo (it was the kickoff of the 2010 election coverage) which featured Among Ed Panlilio, Chiz Escudero, Dick Gordon, Gilbert Teodoro and Mar Roxas. I would’ve really liked to have heard him in person.
Tsopes dont show up in real debate. Only real men do…
Now, that is leadership. If you don’t like the results of SWS asking questions from 1,200 individuals, then hire another survey firm who will give you the answers you want by guiding the questions to ask from 12,000 individuals. Cool! Like buying votes, but more soffffisss-ti-keyy-ted and say-annn-ti-fffik.
and if there really is no survey-across-12,000-individuals, then Bayani Fernando will fall into that common group called LIARS.
We’re allowed to support candidates here, as long as the writer is transparent about it, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
As for myself, I will not be endorsing, nor supporting any candidate, but will definitely vote (if the elections do occur)… As Editor not Chief, I have made this decision a long time ago. But there is no editorial policy here that states that a writer cannot support a candidate.
The only requirement is that of transparency.
In any case, Primer, I’m hesitant about Bayani if indeed he has what it takes to run a nation, especially The Philippines.. 40 years in public service, I will still need to figure out what he has done in this time to make a more informed decision..
Neither, do I. We will not decide for any voter. The aspirants
present themselves to voters. It is up to the voters to decide. We
will only give informations and opinions.
Of what little I know of Bayani Fernando: As three-termed mayor of Marikina, he transformed the environment of Marikina into a clean and discipine town, now city.
As head of Metro Manila Development Authority, he implemented the construction of pink-colored pedestrian overpasses all throughout the metropolis and designated orderly traffic re-routings. For many years now his MMDA anti-sidewalk vendor brigades have been running after sidewalk vendors, with partial success because vendors, like grass even in the most arrid of land, will sprout back after every operation, heheh.
He is presidentiable, indeed.
Is he winnable? SWS and Pulse Asia surveys did not show it. Perhaps the reason why he did it himself with his own survey group.
Shades of “Garci”, isn’t it? Rigging a survey so he comes out the winner is cheating, which indeed makes Bayani Fernando presidentiable specially to Star Trek fans.
My comments about the 12,000 respondent survey notwithstanding, I think it is not so much a matter of “rigging” a survey (since I don’t believe a full-on scientific survey was actually conducted), as much as it was a matter of “spinning” the SWS and Pulse surveys, by casting doubt as to their accuracy. I should point out, it is not only BF who does this, but many of the others who have not been doing well in them make the claim of having their own surveys.
There is justification behind this in the fact that surveys produce a kind of unfair advantage for the current leaders in the survey, a sort of “A-List” effect, which they of course use for propaganda.
The effect of a survey is almost entirely comparable to a newspaper or TV station that broadcasts nothing but it’s polling of readers and viewers. Whether done scientifically or not, such a thing would have a definite effect on the opinions of those who have not yet made up their minds.
Statistical surveys are really a genre of journalism first, and scientific tools only second.
The biggest weakness of surveys, as a genre of journalism, is that the “news” it presents is always delayed by about 3 months, since that is how long it takes SWS to conduct its 1200 regular survey of likely voters.
That is why those who are not the leaders are disadvantaged, because the SWS and Pulse surveys are like high pass filters–they are not able to tell you what the situation and actual rankings are today or yesterday or even last week, only at the point when the survey was conducted, usually months before the results are analysed and reported.
Thus the claim of “in-house” surveys having different results stems from a scientific fact that in fast changing situations, (high frequency components, as Tasio might put it) the current state of survey technology does not provide a fast enough response.
A survey is essentially a bird flying backward. Strictly speaking it cannot see the present, only the not-so immediate past.
Like he owns, or partly owns, the factory creating the pre-fabricated metals used for the footbridges.
These people are afraid to face the pressing issues of the nation.
They thrive on empty slogans and cliches…
Empty slogans and cliches – for EMPTY minds..
Both deserve each other :D
The way others live:
http://izismile.com/2009/01/26/incredible_chinese_dorm_10_pics.html
The way others live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcueHZHI6Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2sJG2XfRWI&feature=channel
Our friends and foes have raised a host of interesting points – of the nature that Old Media has very little capacity to raise because it appears like femme fatale but with a foot chain – not free to bolt her ideas like lightning wherever it strikes. In short, being interviewed in Old Media is tamed, domesticated, friendly.
How then should such a ritual, honest-to-goodness(ly), separate the chaff from the grain? It can fail in an entirely scripted ritual – the train moves along the railtracks, doesn’t it?
Unlike the blogosphere, this is slaughterhouse of worldviews. We are all butchers, we eat the chaff, maybe eat the grain.
We cannot take against BF his no-show if we mute our collective knowledge that few more souls also did fail to show up. I call that being sincere as being honest, the virtues some of us here probably lack.
Maybe Anthony Taberna can provide those who might wish to have a copy, the group’s survey assuming Anthony did ask for a copy from BF. In the meantime, we can only give it the benefit of the doubt – not too quick to accuse anyone of being a liar.
From the point of the view of the ‘aristocracy’, there is real serious doubt if BF can scale the winnables, maybe not. He himself makes no pretention about it. But if that be the basis – oratory – then I will beg for something more. I would burn the grain and treat myself with coffee.
DJB,
That hits nail in the head and I shall keep that in my mind – “a bird flying backward”. Thus, for the bird (BF) that has not even taken flight, it’s out of time to speculate if he flies “backstroke”.
Long way to go. It equally excites me to hear BF crushed the screws of those who think they are geniuses in an open public debate. This man is your stereotypical Juan dela Cruz. Ang simple nya magisip!
I have not made any judgement of BF. I know next to nothing about him. I agree it’s early yet and he can still show his “stuff”.
I think Chairman BF was not present during the debate because he was going around doing his work — cause he is after all, still the chairman of MMDA and thus still cover the responsibilities his position entails. He might not just have enough free time to engage himself in national exposure and he doesn’t have to yet. He hasn’t filed his candidacy.
Have the others present in the debate filed? Don’t they have work to do?
“As leaders, one thing, you have to do is to get things done. You are not a leader for just to be a leader. You have to get things done.”
I really don’t know him, nor seen him but his performance and his problem solving abilities are assets to the position. However, please don’t paint the whole town pink!
Truth to tell, the pink, according to him, etymologically (as if)is rooted out of the figurative phrase – “in the pink of health”.
So literally enough, BF colors our world pink. Studies have it that pink has tranquilizing effect – though that be by accident.
We both don’t know him jab any better than we already know his high-profile political rivals.
But between politicians who did come from the local government and those who are rather mass produced in Congress, I would not hesitate to choose the former. Doers we need, doers we got. Make your choice.
If Bayani had an ideology, he could be the one to lead the nationalist revolution. Unfortunately for DJB, the nationalist revolution has to take a “facsist” start in order for societal reforms be done.
Our country is somewhat cursed by political flops which otherwise may have advanced the revolution.
Joma Sison – Maoist flop (according to Sionil-Jose)
Marcos – Fascist flop
Cory Aquino – Liberal democratic flop
Erap – Populist flop
Gloria – name your flop
Trillanes and likeminded Peemayers – our dreams will never die flop
Bayani – he may have the right ideas but has no ideology. He will be a flop.
Ben,
Why do you say a nationalist revolution has to take a fascist start. Have not all on your list in fact already been nationalist flops? Ought we not to find virtues greater than nationalism?
Bayani – he may have the right ideas but has no ideology. He will be a flop.
He could be a pragmatist and can cobble an agenda of achievable solutions from left, right, and center.
“Bayani – he may have the right ideas but has no ideology. He will be a flop.”
Before that happens, can we not invent one for him in an age of steel reminiscent of the Industrial Revolution that sweeps all over Europe? But what would that ideology be?
Besides, if everything is a flop, then nothing is a flop. It seems, that this pre-determinism will not liberate us from the noose we always think we are in.
Something must work – with or without ideology.
Primer : if everything is a flop, then everything IS a flop.
if everything is a flop, then nothing is a flop.
if everything is red, then nothing is red?
if everything is blue, then nothing is blue?
if everything is green, then nothing is green?
if everyone is lying, then no one is lying?
the basic blocks of thought, imagine the domino-effect.
and even when mediocrity is the goal, the cream still rises to the top.
What could have been your point, UP n? Forgive me, I don’t get it, if you may please explain further.
Primer: Not in the syllabus, I am not obligated to teach you “that one”… go figure it out yourself. :neutral:
Rhetorical questions need not be answered.
Loose phrases just don’t hold without making a knot.
The curse of social contagion – am I seeing an Ivory Tower?
One man’s rhetorical question is another man’s flawed logic.
If logic were territorial and I am the citizen, you must be the foreigner. bong, give yourself a break. There is another world out there.
Sabi nga minsan dito, UP n ba, nagkukuwentuhan lang tayo dito. Pero sabi naman ni leytenian dito tayo “magpatayan”. Iba iba talaga ang worldviews. Still others ask for credentials, others volunteer their credentials and carry their weight around here, yung mayayabang na abogado daw, ek ek.
And yet, what has all these got to do with an open discussion? Some junk DJB who though not a lawyer nor a legal scholar can at least show the data, discuss the data, analyze the data beyond mere recital of ‘motherhood statements’ that make others bookish if not mere parrots.
Even logic is too confining, come to think of it.
Even logic is too confining, come to think of it.
Primer:
I am the foreigner in your world, inasmuch as you are the foreigner in mine, that’s a given, a no-brainer.
Sure thing dude – is that what you want? To be unrestrained by logic because it is too confining? …. :)
Bong,
It makes me now confused if I were the music playing and you were the one dancing or I am the one dancing, you are the music playing.
More to the point. Let us undertake the show the flaws in logic, if any, then rebut even junk the argument in a way that the conflicting views must first be presented, neatly.
To my mind, I think you want to travel in your own lane as I travel in mine in a multi lane highway where in fact mas maganda siguro magbanggaan rather than leisurely if irresponsibility drive behind the wheel like a king.
Jinggoy Estrada delivered a privileged speech attacking Bayani Fernando. Graft and Corruption daw involving million peso checks given to him by the Metro Manila Film Festival Corp. BF denies it, but it really looks bad and his own explanation was “malabo”: he claims even though he cashed the checks the MMFCorp still has to prove that he “accepted” it for some illegal purposes.
Roughly, BF must have explained that too in that radio interview. Post-audit will clear either one, if undertaken than open the issue in public to ‘stain paint’ another.
We know what character assassination all is, don’t we? Golez as well complains of BF. But these are the tricks in the book to propel one own’s favorable image, right? For sure, others always want to pave the mountains. And if Manuel Buencamino made the correct estimates,
chances are, the presidency is a “tossed coin” between Binay and Binayani (BF).
I wonder why Jinggoy has started the demolition job so early. Is he trying to pick off the admin herd’s weaker members (I mean just relative to the folks he really has to overtake to qualify for Gloria’s Kiss of Death: Gilbert and Noli). Or it could be as a former town mayor himself, Jinggoy feels that now as Senator, he has at least trodden on the usual path to vy for the Presidency. Villar faces a similar test in the Ethics committee. Hope BF is not onion-skinned or damnable on this issue of the MMFC or its curtains for his campaign for the nomination.
Bayani however is a guaranteed fop!
Surely, on these vicious if unsolicited updates (survey results liken to a bird flying backwards)from SWS (so with so – whatever that may mean) and Pulse (pronounced better as False) Asia, there are more than meets the eyes or these questions:
1. With the unchanging variable of 1,200 respondents, does it mean the survey group went as far as Batanes in the North and way down South in Tawi Tawi (whatever)to interview a sample one can count by his fingers across all kinds of people, all kinds of people?
2. More and more questions…
BUT JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.